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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: Capt._America on October 15, 2006, 08:27:41 AM
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How many people watched the UFC 64, not sure what most of you thought, but is Silva that good or was Franklin that bad? I like Rich, but did not look like he was ready for that fight at all, I mean he got totally dominated. Guess we'll see what happens now, but he looked bad against Silva.
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I've been following Silva forever, I know he's for real. I know alot of people thought Rich was a dangerous striker and now they know what a real striker is. The only guy left in the UFC that poses any remote threat to Silva is Nate Marquardt, and even then he would probably lose. I was just suprised to see how Anderson outmuscled Rich in the clinch and basically threw him around the cage. He made Rich look like a can, Anderson is just that good.
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That wasnt the Rich Franklin we are used to seeing. I take nothing away from Silva but Franklin was not ready for that fight at all. I think he will be back after he gets that nose fixed.. just more time off he doesnt need from training. I wonder if they will throw Mike Swick at Silva? I feel bad for the TUF winner LOL.. Silva is gonna mess that person up bad!
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anyone who thought he wasnt the business just had to watch the way he knocked out Chris Leben with relative ease. leben may not be the premier of MMA but his ability to take a hit is remarkable. Also youll notice hes never been stopped, only submitted
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i rest my case that circuit training is crap, franklin wasnt strong enough to break away from the clinch, he tried and u cld see the look in his eyes before silve even started to throw knees. guys like sherk, monson, and hughes all do split routines focusing on power and explosivness, not 30 minutes of light weight reps (wich is very hard but dosent help make you stronger, just better cardio and fast twitch muscle)
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anybody have a clip of the fight?
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xi3ta_ufc64-rich-franklin-vs-anderson-sil
Anyone who has seen Silva fight knew that he was a dangerous man. Rich was outstriking the people that he's fought but they weren't elite level. they both fought Jorge Rivera, Rich beat him barely and Silva blew him away. Rich has NEVER fought elite level opponents.
With that said, Rich had NO answer for the clinch. It was very surprising that his team did nothing to prep him for this.
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must of been the pink shorts ???
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wow that was an impressive showing by silva...in the clinch matt didnt know what to do.
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Thanks for the link, MFY. Silva really used the thai clench to his advantage. :o
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wow that was an impressive showing by silva...in the clinch matt didnt know what to do.
His name is Rich.
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His name is Rich.
HAHAHA..my bad ;D
not sure what the hell i was thinkin there
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HAHAHA..my bad ;D
not sure what the hell i was thinkin there
It's all good. Just trying to help you before Earl attacks you with his claims of you being a TUF newb while he was watching UFC 1, ironically while knowing next-to-nothing about MMA.
Incoming Earl Sugar-Ray insult by night's end.
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LOL
thanx for having my back
and actually i did watch ufc 1 through about 6...then stopped watching till about 3 years ago.
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That fight was fooking awesome. Franklin's nose got moved from the middle of his face to under his left eye :o
It makes me wonder about just how much better fighters in othe federations are and how inferior the UFC talent is :-\ I'll have to start watching some Pride fights...
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i rest my case that circuit training is crap, franklin wasnt strong enough to break away from the clinch, he tried and u cld see the look in his eyes before silve even started to throw knees. guys like sherk, monson, and hughes all do split routines focusing on power and explosivness, not 30 minutes of light weight reps (wich is very hard but dosent help make you stronger, just better cardio and fast twitch muscle)
Strength has nothing to do with getting out of the plum. MFS and Monte Cox fighters have problems against Rudimar Fedrigo trained fighters. Pat has lost to Pele, as have Matt Hughes, Jeremy Horn lost to A. Silva, prior. Many a Thai champion has extracated themselves, and defended the plum without having to be large and muscular. Strength does play a role, but Franklin already outweighed Silva by 20+ at fight time, so it wasn't the strength. What you see is a lack of training muay thai.
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How does one get out of the plum w/out eating a knee? Grapple w/ trip?
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i think he could have broken away or even taken a shot, he was eating knees anyways i would have tried to take a shot and get him to the ground
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It's all good. Just trying to help you before Earl attacks you with his claims of you being a TUF newb while he was watching UFC 1, ironically while knowing next-to-nothing about MMA.
Incoming Earl Sugar-Ray insult by night's end.
haha i'm in your head ;D
where are all the people that thought rich was the best 185 pounder int he world now?
can you believe people (ie tuf newbies) thought he would destroy soemone like dan henderson?
haha tuf newbies :D
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Nice sound, one sided,skilled beating here.
I'll admit, I didn't really know alot about silva outside of maybe one pride fight and that demolition of leben in ufc.
Also found it weird how Ace seemed powerless and/or half dead even before he started eating those knees in the clinch. It's like Silva locked it in and he (ace) was confused or Silva had a damn "death grip" version of the thai clinch on his a$$ unlike no other. LOL ;D
Definitly have to take silva to the ground and lb. him or submit his a$$.
I used to see this flash clip alot in Pride highlights..etc...never knew this was anderson who got caught slipping here.
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/ryo%20chonan/video/x8buh_ryo-chonan-vs-anderson-silva (http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/ryo%20chonan/video/x8buh_ryo-chonan-vs-anderson-silva)
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did'nt franklin state he would fight him in the clinch and trade with him???
If thats the case then he has let his ego surpass him! Fighting Silva in the clinch i about as stupid as it gets
ta ta
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check out his KO of Tony Fryklund, very impressive use of the elbow! As a striker he is a MW Chuck Liddell, submissions is his only real weakness
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i heard about it did not see it!!!
he is an exciting fighter i'll look forward to seeing him in the future!!
ta ta
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the guy must have tunnel vision, he hits exactly what hes looking at. The Ko of the "Freak" emphasises exactly how good his striking is - very innovative to say the least. I cant recall another knockout of its kind
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the guy must have tunnel vision, he hits exactly what hes looking at. The Ko of the "Freak" emphasises exactly how good his striking is - very innovative to say the least. I cant recall another knockout of its kind
Yes, he seems to be very dedicated to his punches. Like a boxer with a high connect % (like a mayweather or something) doesn't waste anything it seems.
Very devastating I'd say, like a Tito Trinidad kinda feel when I see his accuracy/power punches coming from that frail frame. I'd like to see more of this guy besides the few times I've seen him so far.
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i can see Dana pushing him high now, he just wiped his arse with one of his under paid poster boys!Rich will get a rematch, but i dont see that ending any differently. The clinch had him beaten as soon as it was applied
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i can see Dana pushing him high now, he just wiped his arse with one of his under paid poster boys!Rich will get a rematch, but i don't see that ending any differently. The clinch had him beaten as soon as it was applied
I agree. I can see Dana doing this. I can also see the re-match being a total destruction also. Wouldn't be surprised if Rich is like, "man I'm going to need about 6 months train for this guy!" ;)
Yeah and what was up with that clinch? Man it was like a damn vice or something that totally demoralized Rich or something. It was as if Rich said to himself "oh sh*t, I trained for everything else but this...DAMN now what do I do?"
I don't know Thai skills to breakdown how that move would shut a man down to speak intelligently on it, but damn it didn't look any different than a reg. Thai clinch I seen before. ???
Those knees silva landed are hurting my ribs still. ;D
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If Rich could not tell from the Leben showing that Silva was an absolute master in the clinch and surely he saw other fights then like i said before he let his ego get the better of him.
People have touted him as the best,, saying he is better than Hendo etc, and I have to say i thought he was the best middleweight.
But to fight Silva's fight and that was express intention is real really dumb!! thats where great fighters are proven against the styles that don't suit but the gameplan nullifies the opponents attacks!!
Rich Franklin, see Emelianenko, Fedor!!!! And how he changes gameplans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ta ta
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just go's to show you that the stand up clinch is a dangerous thing to be caught in....Silva had that neck of franklin's in a vice grip.... I laughed at Franklins nose.... and my wife slapped me in the arm pretty hard....she's a fan...... bad night for her.... but has anyone heard if he had any other injuries...... its a good thing it ended when it did he couldve had some beat up ribs had it gone any longer.....as if they already werent beat up...
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check out his KO of Tony Fryklund, very impressive use of the elbow! As a striker he is a MW Chuck Liddell, submissions is his only real weakness
He is NOT a middleweight Chuck Liddell! First, he is not known for being a one punch KO puncher, Second, he doesen't need to cheat by thumbing people when things aren't going his way, and finally he is accurate with everything he throws. Chuck just uses his looping punches to KO people, Anderson uses his combination punching, knees, kicks, and elbows. Plus, Andersons ground game is vastly improved since his loss to Chonan, I saw a video of him holding his own against Rogerio in training not to long ago.
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i can see Dana pushing him high now, he just wiped his arse with one of his under paid poster boys!Rich will get a rematch, but i dont see that ending any differently. The clinch had him beaten as soon as it was applied
That's funny, not too long ago I remember you saying Rich was the best striker in the MW division and that he would kill Anderson.
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i honestly thought Rich was, but seeing him taken apart like that has shown EVERYONE that he has a shitload of weaknesses against pedigree fighters. I still cant believe how easily he was beaten down - the guy who has supposed to be untouchable at 185! Anderson has made me a true believer.
I never compared him against Chucks power, it was in regards to his striking ability. Chuck may look like he just swings, but he has an unique way of getting it done. He looks ragged sometimes but he hits what hes looking at, as does Silva.
I cant see Rich coming back from this one, how can he improve himself enough to get passed that? Its like a new kid joining a school and embarrassing the hardest lad in the yard. His self belief must be in pieces
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I cant see Rich coming back from this one, how can he improve himself enough to get passed that? Its like a new kid joining a school and embarrassing the hardest lad in the yard. His self belief must be in pieces
I was thinking that as I watched "the beatdown" in progress. Monster DEMORALIZATION would not be out of question here. Not exactly having to go back to the drawing board, but he definitely will need to ground Silva in the rematch....fk standing up with that freak man. LOL
Me and my wife ended up ordering the fight because she saw the pre-fight deal thingy a few days before the fight, and she was like "the guy from Brazil is going to KILL HIM!" I was like "yeah he's got some skillz ,but Rich is no push over just because he looks like ace Ventura!"
My man got ROLLED! HARD! ;D
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Rich can take it to the ground, but i dont think hes going to be in a better position at all. Silva is shit hot on the ground too, my guess is that Rich has found someone whom he just cant beat. Much like Ken did when he fought Tito, or Tito did when he came up against Randy. There is always someone you cant beat - Fedor has still got to find him but im sure hes out there somewhere! ;D
Rich's ONLY option after this is to train hard for a ground fight and improve on every aspect of his ground game. It was like watching Tito try to stand against Chuck - you knew it was never going to happen. As i said, Silva has never been KO'd but he has been submitted twice. If theres a way for Rich to do it , then submission is his only option. Saying that if he's going to take the rematch then he has to be 100% sure within himself he can win - if he isnt then he has already lost the fight and he could be seriously hurt
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Rich's ONLY option after this is to train hard for a ground fight and improve on every aspect of his ground game. It was like watching Tito try to stand against Chuck - you knew it was never going to happen. As i said, Silva has never been KO'd but he has been submitted twice. If theres a way for Rich to do it , then submission is his only option. Saying that if he's going to take the rematch then he has to be 100% sure within himself he can win - if he isn't then he has already lost the fight and he could be seriously hurt
I agree! He is really going to have to WANT it because this does look like the guy that has his number (by domination). Rich is going to have to want this for himself. Not money, not for revenge, not because his fans..none of that. He is going to have to want this for himself because man you could just see the look of defeat in his eyes man as if to say WTF? Broke him down physically and mentally I bet.
I'd rather get KTFO first then systematically taken apart anyday. At least I can LIE TO MYSELF and say "he got lucky" and be mentally focused going into a rematch ONLY to get my a$$ systematically dissected the second time around if I really was lying to myself. LOL ;D
I wonder if Rich has ordered him a new set of RIBS from ebay after Silva destroyed his old set.
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I wonder if Rich has ordered him a new set of RIBS from ebay after Silva destroyed his old set.
the funniest thing ive read today right there! ha ha
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don't these fighters have people in the 'camp' that scout the opposition? you'd think rich franklin was smarter than to want to trade with silva in the clinch.
who does franklin train with? a group of fighters or a bunch of 'yes' men?
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I'll bet all the guys from this seasons TUF show were loving Rich getting his ass beat. No one liked him. ( Franklin) I actually felt that Rich knew he wasn't as good as any of the guys on the show so that's why he had no advice to give. He wasn't being a dick, It seemed he felt he was not much better than these comeback guys. It showed the other night. No confidence !!!
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other than sad i cant think of any words to describe a middleweight champion who cant escape the clinch, and who just sat there on the fence waiting to be knocked out after he lost his heart
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Maybe Rich should have started the fight down on one knee... ;D
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either that or learn how to do something other than smother people on his feet. he is kind of like wanderlei in that his standup will beat 95% of the division, but really isnt much more than bullying people on the inside
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It looks ike he found someone to "throw hands with"
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Rich can take it to the ground, but i dont think hes going to be in a better position at all. Silva is shit hot on the ground too, my guess is that Rich has found someone whom he just cant beat.
Agreed.
Having recently watched everything of Silva I could find on YouTube, he's is a dangerous striker from any position.
Jeremy Horn came with a "take it to the ground" gameplan and got a pretty thorough beating. I don't see a different result for Rich.
The only way I see Silva losing would be some super strong wrestler with killer takedowns getting Silva on the ground, staying really tight while executing a ground and pound gameplan.
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Agreed.
Having recently watched everything of Silva I could find on YouTube, he's is a dangerous striker from any position.
Jeremy Horn came with a "take it to the ground" gameplan and got a pretty thorough beating. I don't see a different result for Rich.
The only way I see Silva losing would be some super strong wrestler with killer takedowns getting Silva on the ground, staying really tight while executing a ground and pound gameplan.
He better study how to extracate himself from the plum. Agree with Chute Boxe, Anderson isn't a one punch wonder, but he has good footwork, decent head movement, and pin point accuracy. His BJJ has gotten MUCH better, so taking him to the ground doesn't neccesitate a lay and pray decision. If Rich is to beat him, he'd better call Fredrico Rudimar.
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Anyone have any pics of his fooked up nose. It looked pretty bad...
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Anyone have any pics of his fooked up nose. It looked pretty bad...
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/rehiza/3380franklinfuck.gif)
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I'll bet all the guys from this seasons TUF show were loving Rich getting his ass beat. No one liked him. ( Franklin) I actually felt that Rich knew he wasn't as good as any of the guys on the show so that's why he had no advice to give. He wasn't being a dick, It seemed he felt he was not much better than these comeback guys. It showed the other night. No confidence !!!
You are a moron.
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(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/rehiza/3380franklinfuck.gif)
That's not that bad, I'm assuming that could be straightened out relatively quickly. Although without a local it would probably be painful.
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Yeah, it's not as bad as I first thought.
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You are a moron.
we'll take your word on this one because you are the resident TUF expert ;D
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we'll take your word on this one because you are the resident TUF expert ;D
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3 days later and my guy finds the thread! Tell me Earl, have you purchased front row tickets to the next Ultimate Fight Night so that you can jerk off to the random cans that will be fighting in the cage?
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what's with the hostility i'm just pointing out how you are the resident TUF expert ???
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I've been following Silva forever, I know he's for real. I know alot of people thought Rich was a dangerous striker and now they know what a real striker is. The only guy left in the UFC that poses any remote threat to Silva is Nate Marquardt, and even then he would probably lose. I was just suprised to see how Anderson outmuscled Rich in the clinch and basically threw him around the cage. He made Rich look like a can, Anderson is just that good.
We trained the plum in BJJ class, greco roman shucks, two on ones, repummelling, and even trying to pull guard once we repummeled one in. Marquardt is tough, but he'd have to get by Silva's standup which could be dangerous. Silvas ground game has improved immensely as well.
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(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/rehiza/3380franklinfuck.gif)
Thanks. I can't wait for the rest of the Militage wack-pack to lose their belts. It all continues with GSP vs. Hughes and perhaps Vera vs. Silva?
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GSP isnt beating Hughes any time soon, not a fucking chance
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GSP isnt beating Hughes any time soon, not a fucking chance
Perhaps not but I wouldn't mind seeing him drop a whole lot of those vicious elbows down on the inflated head of Hughes.
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i think huges will win but monson is a beast and i think he can take chuuby as long as he can getpast that reach advantage, but tim will be hitting the top of his head the entire fight
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i think huges will win but monson is a beast and i think he can take chuuby as long as he can getpast that reach advantage, but tim will be hitting the top of his head the entire fight
Didn't monson get beat by Arlovski? Speaking of Arlovski, has he resurfaced?
As for GSP & Hughes, Penn exposed weaknesses in Hughes and would have beaten him had he been better conditioned. GSP wil show up in shape and if he comes to this fight with his head focused, he will have a great chance of wining.
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GSP isnt beating Hughes any time soon, not a fucking chance
GSP will win, and convincingly hopefully.
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dont get me wrong mindspin, i want gsp to win, i do however feel hughes is much stronger and gsp seems to be a little afarid, i hope not but in the back of my head i see it that way
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Didn't monson get beat by Arlovski? Speaking of Arlovski, has he resurfaced?
As for GSP & Hughes, Penn exposed weaknesses in Hughes and would have beaten him had he been better conditioned. GSP wil show up in shape and if he comes to this fight with his head focused, he will have a great chance of wining.
Hughes did get exposed....I can't wait for the rubber match between those two. By the way, Penn didn't gas, he apparently broke a few ribs switching to Hughes back in the second round. Everybody is assuming that Penn gassed, but it has been proven by UFC doctors that he indeed break a few ribs. You will notice that after the second round he did not raise his hands at all and was a completely different fighter. He will own Hughes next time.
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GSP isnt beating Hughes any time soon, not a fucking chance
You will eat your words once again, but hey, what else is new? Georges has improved greatly since his loss to Matt, and word on the street is Georges has been training BJJ with "The Boogeyman" himself, Dean Lister. Matt was getting outwrestled, outstruck, outgrappled (BJJ), and outworked by a naturally smaller guy (Bj Penn) until his rib injury. Randy Couture said himself that during the filming of TUF 4, Georges was bigger than all of the 185lb contestants, and he was out working everybody. All of his career, matt has been cutting from about 190-195lbs to make the 170lb weight class. Georges is just as big and strong as Matt naturally, and it showed in their first fight. Matt looked like trash against Georges until the counter armbar he pulled out of his ass. I would compare that to Chonan's leglock on Anderson Silva. Georges won't make the same mistake twice, the only way Matt wins this fight, is if Georges comes in injured, or if he injures himself during the fight. Miletech will lose yet another belt, leaving big Timmy as the only guy from that camp holding a major belt. The year just keeps getting worse for those guys. :'(
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You will eat your words once again, but hey, what else is new?
hahahaha, I agree with you there. GSP by domination!
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Been busy and didnt get round to watch this until today. Damn lack of strategy there, answering to knees in the clinch by random blows... only when he started getting kneed in the head he realised that's not where you wanna be.
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the chance for gsp winning is probably 55/45 this time :)
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You will eat your words once again, but hey, what else is new? Georges has improved greatly since his loss to Matt, and word on the street is Georges has been training BJJ with "The Boogeyman" himself, Dean Lister. Matt was getting outwrestled, outstruck, outgrappled (BJJ), and outworked by a naturally smaller guy (Bj Penn) until his rib injury. Randy Couture said himself that during the filming of TUF 4, Georges was bigger than all of the 185lb contestants, and he was out working everybody. All of his career, matt has been cutting from about 190-195lbs to make the 170lb weight class. Georges is just as big and strong as Matt naturally, and it showed in their first fight. Matt looked like trash against Georges until the counter armbar he pulled out of his ass. I would compare that to Chonan's leglock on Anderson Silva. Georges won't make the same mistake twice, the only way Matt wins this fight, is if Georges comes in injured, or if he injures himself during the fight. Miletech will lose yet another belt, leaving big Timmy as the only guy from that camp holding a major belt. The year just keeps getting worse for those guys. :'(
care to wager it? I have Paypal and am willing to put my money where my mouth is...........
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Who is that in your avatar is the real question.
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hahahaha, I agree with you there. GSP by domination!
now why doesnt that surprise me ::)
thats Keeley Hazel - my future ex wife ;D
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care to wager it? I have Paypal and am willing to put my money where my mouth is...........
How about a 30day sig bet?
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now why doesnt that surprise me ::)
thats Keeley Hazel - my future ex wife ;D
If you'll scroll up, I said GSP long before Chute posted. Guess we just know the fight game better than you, which isn't surprising in the least.
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im not questioning that you dumb fuck, im talking about you praising everything he says. Now Chutebox has proven he knows exactly what hes talking about, but you? You probably buy back editions of Combat magazine in an attempt to find out what martial arts and MMA are
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If you'll look through old threads, I've stated that ChuteBoxe is a piece of shit just like yourself. He actually knows a little bit about MMA though and doesn't ask, "Who are the Nogueira brothers?"
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is that all youve got to go on? Hey ill openly admit i didnt have a fuckin clue about them - because i NEVER watched anything to do with Pride. I dismissed it as a UFC rip off until i came on here and listened to peoples opinions about it. You didnt know them at one time, unless you were born with the ability to know fucking everything! Get over it and find something new. This is an MMA board, not the X Board
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is that all youve got to go on? Hey ill openly admit i didnt have a fuckin clue about them - because i NEVER watched anything to do with Pride. I dismissed it as a UFC rip off until i came on here and listened to peoples opinions about it. You didnt know them at one time, unless you were born with the ability to know fucking everything! Get over it and find something new. This is an MMA board, not the X Board
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I am a decipel of Zeus so yes, I was born all-knowing and powerful.
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How about a 30day sig bet?
Who are you at Sherdog?
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Who are you at Sherdog?
The next big thing in Sig/av bets, my record is 10-2.
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The next big thing in Sig/av bets, my record is 10-2.
not bad.
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He actually knows a little bit about MMA though and doesn't ask, "Who are the Nogueira brothers?"
it's funny how when I came out with this you were on schimowser's nutsack ::)
now that he hurt your feelings you are STEALING MY OWNINGS >:(
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it's funny how when I came out with this you were on schimowser's nutsack ::)
now that he hurt your feelings you are STEALING MY OWNINGS >:(
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hahahaha, there are bigger fish to fry than you Earl. It has nothing to do with him owning, but it has everything to do with him being a joke of an MMA fan.
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youre calling me a joke of an MMA fan? I know more than enough to hold my own now, its pointless going through this again. I didnt like Pride - i do now so shut the fuck up and get on with it. Out of the last 50 opsts on this board i bet over 75% of them are feeble attempts at owning people. You contribute fuck all here, atleast Chutebox can argue that he knows the fight game. Without reality TV you wouldnt even know what UFC stands for
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Without reality TV you wouldnt even know what UFC stands for
haha you got him there
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