What's incredible is how little the gifts are acknowledged.
One of the all-time worst MMs, along with Yates:
That was the only steroid tested Mr Olympia contest in history , he was down in size obviously , who know if he was truely off but he was smaller than usual , this is one of those contests that Labrada could have won but its a big mans game
To say Haney was overrated is just plain ignorance , he was the clear winner in 84/85/86/87/88/89/91 it could have went to Labrada in 89/90 but his two main rivals were Gaspari & Christian and neither made any inroads on beating him the only realy threat was Yates in 91 , although in my personal opinion Labrada was the better man in 1990.
Again with the gifts how you can say one bodybuilding recieved gifts and Coleman never did is beyond rational thought , your hypocrisy is laughable.Unlike you, I've never denied it you idiot; evidentally I'm not alone in the sentiment while you cointinue on with your denial. For the first time it's unavoidable. ;D Haney's gifts were by far the most glaring along with Yates, due to the overt flaws and imbalances.
I actually bet a guy 20 bucks that Labrada would beat Haney in 90. I just didn't see labrada's body suffering as much as everyone else's due to the "testing". That olympia was horrible if you ask me. I still say labrada beat haney in 89 and Haney was no better than 4th in 90.
89/90 it could have went to Labrada , but he was a lot lighter than Haney and size is part of the requirement for bodybuilding.More excuses-can never actually admit it. A great torso overpowered weak legs & arms.
Unlike you, I've never denied it you idiot; evidentally I'm not alone in the sentiment while you cointinue on with your denial. For the first time it's unavoidable. ;D Haney's gifts were by far the most glaring along with Yates, due to the overt flaws and imbalances.
89/90 it could have went to Labrada , but he was a lot lighter than Haney and size is part of the requirement for bodybuilding.
, add in 01/02/04 and half of Colemans wins using your logic were gifts !Slight detail you're missing, genius-they're not the same guy so you can't just transfer the logic between them. Coleman was just "slightly" better, arms only 5" bigger. ;D
Slight detail you're missing, genius-they're not the same guy so you can't just transfer the logic between them. Coleman was just "slightly" better. ;D
No Coleman was a cheap version of HaneyDelusional, since they're in no way similar unless you're referring to skin color. ::)
Delusional, since they're in no way similar unless you're referring to skin color. ::)
Yates was more aesthetic? ;D
Haney was aesthetic but also deeply flawed, except to Iron Agers.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Alexxx in love, once again revealing his lack of depth.
How can you disgrace this great champion? He made Shawn Ray look like his hand puppet! Haney was a true champion the likes of Arnold Schwarzenegger. To say he didn't deserve to win is blasphemy!
Alexxx in love, once again revealing his lack of depth.
Those pics are better but Haney's arm & leg deficiencies and imbalances were always there, masked only by favorable poses that hide the weaknesses.
That was the only steroid tested Mr Olympia contest in history , he was down in size obviously , who know if he was truely off but he was smaller than usual , this is one of those contests that Labrada could have won but its a big mans gamedude there were not only lee labrada,gaspari and mike christian but there were also bertil fox and brian buchnan..come on man brian had the perfect aesthetics and size at the same time and bertil fox at that time considered a mass freak and he arguablly had the biggest arms and one of the best chests ever..his main weakness was his back.also sammir bannout was also one hell of an awesome bodybuilder..i think he should have taken the olympia atleast 2 or 3 more times..i think so alot deserving guys where robbed big time at the olympia.if you don't believe me go and watch that OLD SCHOOL TRAINING VIDEOand you'll see for yourself who looked like a mr olympia and who did not.again lee haney looked the worse of them all..
To say Haney was overrated is just plain ignorance , he was the clear winner in 84/85/86/87/88/89/91 it could have went to Labrada in 89/90 but his two main rivals were Gaspari & Christian and neither made any inroads on beating him the only realy threat was Yates in 91 , although in my personal opinion Labrada was the better man in 1990.
dude there were not only lee labrada,gaspari and mike christian but there were also bertil fox and brian buchnan..come on man brian had the perfect aesthetics and size at the same time and bertil fox at that time considered a mass freak and he arguablly had the biggest arms and one of the best chests ever..his main weakness was his back.also sammir bannout was also one hell of an awesome bodybuilder..i think he should have taken the olympia atleast 2 or 3 more times..i think so alot deserving guys where robbed big time at the olympia.if you don't believe me go and watch that OLD SCHOOL TRAINING VIDEOand you'll see for yourself who looked like a mr olympia and who did not.again lee haney looked the worse of them all..
Yates didn't have to be aesthetic to beat those who were , and no one is claiming Yates was , just like no one is claiming Haney wasn't flawed but despite their flaws both were leaps & bounds better than Coleman .
i think so alot deserving guys where robbed big time at the olympia
you are claiming that Haney was "leaps and bounds" better than Ronnie?
what are you going to argue next?
Larry Scott was the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time? ::)
We know you hate Ronnie, but to say Haney was better is retarded. Haney was great, but the sport has progressed since then.
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Leaps & bounds better in terms of size & aestheticsThis really doesn't sound like someone who knows anything about BB-size doesn't preclude aesthetics or other attributes. He knows this already and continues to try to deflect with this crap.
How can you disgrace this great champion? He made Shawn Ray look like his hand puppet! Haney was a true champion the likes of Arnold Schwarzenegger. To say he didn't deserve to win is blasphemy!thanks alexxx, you get it. haney won because he had "it", and the others didnt.
thanks alexxx, you get it. haney won because he had "it", and the others didnt.Another brainwashed sucker. hahaahahahahah
This really doesn't sound like someone who knows anything about BB-size doesn't preclude aesthetics or other attributes. He knows this already and continues to try to deflect with this crap.
More excuses-can never actually admit it. A great torso overpowered weak legs & arms.
you are claiming that Haney was "leaps and bounds" better than Ronnie?TOTALLY AWESOME POST...
what are you going to argue next?
Larry Scott was the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time? ::)
We know you hate Ronnie, but to say Haney was better is retarded. Haney was great, but the sport has progressed since then.
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Leaps & bounds better in terms of size & aesthetics , keep posting those hands clasped photos to prove your point about how great Ronnie was lol its NOT a mandatory pose and yes the sport has progressed or has it?come on ND ronnie pwns haney like he was nothing..dude haney looks like an amateur next to ronnie coleman..its like one of those before and after pics..dude i know how much you support yates and i do agree with you on this fact that yates was an awesome bodybuilder who had one of the best conditioning with size..but saying haney was leaps and bounds ahead of ronnie is just pure retarded..na na na na not this time ND
Well, if we are to judge him on his looks we should also judge him on his personality. He had one of the most incredible personas I've ever seen from a bodybuilder - and I've seen them all.
Personally I would have had Gaspari beat Lee Haney in 1987. Lee was more aesthetic, but Gaspari was far more muscular and way harder. Gaspari also had superior bacne - on par with that of TA.
he won Olympias based solely on having a big back and a small waist, that's it.
lee haney has the smallest arms in mr o history and hes the ugliest. a very good back and waist, but everything else... caca.
Well, if we are to judge him on his looks we should also judge him on his personality. He had one of the most incredible personas I've ever seen from a bodybuilder - and I've seen them all.
100% true in both cases, except that Yates' arms were far uglier. Haney & Dickerson nose out Columbu for worst arms.
ND must believe that if he keeps denying that Haney has none of these flaws that they don't exist. ;D
Idiot how mant times have I said ALL bodybuilders have flaws ?Another deflection, stating the obvious which ignores the degree of the flaws-this fool's trying to rationalize that everyone's equally flawed. hahahahaahhaahah
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=102566.0;attach=111647;image)Gaspari was hardcore. He arrived in Gotheburg a couple of weeks out if I recall correctly. He bought some Chicken and it didn't smell right so he booked a flight over for his father so he could bring some tuna and chicken. LOL
Personally I would have had Gaspari beat Lee Haney in 1987. Lee was more aesthetic, but Gaspari was far more muscular and way harder. Gaspari also had superior bacne - on par with that of TA.
Check out more pics here:
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1987mrolympiadvdreview.html
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mrolympia1987/108.jpg)
Another deflection, stating the obvious which ignores the degree of the flaws-this fool's trying to rationalize that everyone's equally flawed. hahahahaahhaahah
ND I want you to dwell on Haney's ample flaws for once..go ahead..
Its good to see that I am not the only one who thinks ND is a drooling, bumbling blind fool :P 8)
You have to put Haney's reign into context , who was going to beat him?Agreed. Nothing to do with absolute comparisons from different eras though. Another deflection.
he along with Yates dominated the sport in a way that Coleman never could .see, ND this is why everyone thinks you are a retard.
Agreed. Nothing to do with absolute comparisons from different eras though. Another deflection.
Compare Haney's front latspread to Colemans , Haney wipes the floor with him.
see, ND this is where us nutt-hugging Coleman fans think you're retarded
Ronnie was winning Mr. O's legitimately long at an age long after yates and haney would have retired. You have to give him respect for that.
Ronnie won more contests than ANYONE in history, including 8 Mr. O's and the Arnold Classic.
Far more than dorian.
Far more than Haney.
Ronnie lost to gunter to sell tickets - period.
he did loose fairly to Jay but the man was 43! When did Dorian retire? 35?
Saying "like Coleman never could" is just plain ridiculous and stupid.
neither haney or yates ever looked like this.
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp9917.jpg)
don't be so sure. 1999 ronnie had an amazing lat spread, but there are very few shots of it.
2006 ronnie, well, that is a different story.
I don't need the validation of a group of deluted people to have confience in my opinion ,
It looks good for Ronnie but Haney owns him in that shot .Where do you get that from? Haney loves that shot because it evens the playing field with someone better, by hiding his deficiencies. ::)
No, you would never GET validation because your opinions are bizzare
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don't count Ronnie out so fast. He looked a lot different in 98/99 than he does now. People often forget that 8)
Again looks good very good , still Haney has him and so does Yates !
in no way whatsoever does haney have ronnie is this pic.... im a huge haney fan and he was great durring his era, but ronnie competed against stiffer competition... ronnie's the greatest hands down... and in that front lad spread his Owns lee
Again looks good very good , still Haney has him and so does Yates !With no substantiation for this whatsoever. More of the same wackiness. hahaahahahah
haney had more than just muscle. he had a "presence" that none of the other competitors had, during that era.That's very easy to say after the fact. "Presence" is worth something but only if the rest of the package is there to begin with. "Presence" is also complemented greatly by something else called "politics". ;D
With no substantiation for this whatsoever. More of the same wackiness. hahaahahahah
That's very easy to say after the fact. "Presence" is worth something but only if the rest of the package is there to begin with. "Presence" is also complemented greatly by something else called "politics". ;D
LMFAO Stiffer competition? who Jay Cutler and Dexter Jackson? see the 1988 Mr Olympia for a deep quality field of guys .
that's from the 90 olympia where they "tested" the guys. If Haney ever lost a show it was that one, Labrada, Ray and Christian all beat him on that day. I think he lost the 89 O to Labrada as well, there was a shot in the Flex coverage of that show with Labrada straight on facing the camera in the "relaxed" pose that was incredible, great, great abs...one of the best shots I've ever seen.
That being said I don't know if the clip in this thread is really a good representation of what Haney was. Look for clips of him from the 84-88 olympias and the 91 show. That was prime Haney, especially 84 and 85. He was gigantic for the time and hard as a rock with that itsy bitsy waist.
he was given gifts...don't know if he got more than anyone else but he was given gifts and yes his legs sucked, his arms were not that good but his delts-when he was at his best were very good.
hahaha, yeah how bout nassar, kevin, Flex, shawn, dillet, cormier, 1988!!!!... hahahahahahaha half the guys in the top ten weighed under 220lbs.... lee lebrada weighed like 170.... come on dude...
hahaha, yeah how bout nassar, kevin, Flex, shawn, dillet, cormier, 1988!!!!... hahahahahahaha half the guys in the top ten weighed under 220lbs.... lee lebrada weighed like 170.... come on dude...
bodyweight doesn't equate to quality
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irony?
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ND shows his true bias with that statemment.
don't even start with the mandatory crap. What difference does it make if it is not a mandatory pose. If dorian did not have so many major flaws he wouldn't have to worry about whether or not it was a mandatory pose or not, now would he? It highlights the tremendous differences in quality over dorian, that are, as you said, independent of bodyeight.
shawn owned dorian in 94, mandatories or not.
bodyweight doesn't equate to quality , who cares if Ronnie faced bigger guys its all about the quality of the feild
ND if shawn was flexing his quad it would be game over in that pic.
Shawns abs crush dorian's (actually they crush just about anyone's) , so do his quads, and his waist is tiny, all thiings that create an amazing ab and thgh.
agreed, but to say that kevin, shawn, nassar and all those guys were low quality!.... crazy... plus listen to the PBW interview with Levrone, he even says that his best package was either the 00 or 02 olympias... it may be true that dorian faced alot of those guys in their "primes"... but we're not talking about dorian, this thread should read "dorian was given the most gifts in bb history"...
shawn looks so sick there its crazy he isnt a Mr. O.... think about where the sport would be if he had one...
Now ND is trying to say that Dorian in his worst shape other than 1997, had a better ab and thigh pose than Shawn Friggin' Ray ::)
with the biased hate ever end?
shawn probably has one of the best ab and thighs in history.
dorian never did - hell he never even flexed his quads in the pose, only his calves, but, the judges looked the other way.
they did that a lot during his reign...
ok, 99' top 10- Ronnie, Flex, chris, kevin, shawn, nassar, dillet, priest, jackson, Sarcev... my god
88' top 10- haney, gaspari, demay, lebrada, strydom, quinn, buchannan, Samir, Love, Paris...
even at 10% off their best, (which isnt the case since plenty of guys were near if not their best) would have crushed the guy who placed equally... not taking eanything away from Haney... but the sport evolved and in the late 90's the competition was insane
in that shot u can clearly see the difference in the lighting. ill admit that coleman is better then yates, but yates always had that hard grainy conditioning and you cant compare those two pics becuase of the lighting.ND recycle this one in 10 pages or so..
your kinda contradicting urself... to question Jay Cutlers quality (whom i believe to be inferior to any other Mr. O) would be to "undermine" the judges... obviously the judges thought Jay was Mr. O material... did they (the judges) ever believe that of gaspari, lebrada, strydom...?... regardless... we're going over the same sh** over and over... i think Coleman was the greatest of all time... u think haney was better....I have a funny feeling most people would agree with me tho... agree to disagree... good talk but...im out
you are realizing what everyone else does:
ND rarely makes sense and contradicts himself regularly.
and he doesn't seem to care that no one else agrees with him.
this is a fucking dumb thread.
1st of all, Haney was awesome. not as good as ronald was or some of the 90's guys maybe, but better than all his competition. who should have beat him? midget with a huge head lebrada? mindget with shitty structure gaspari? hell no.
2nd pics dont do him justice...watch the 91 O video and you will see his greatness. he looked better than anyone he competed against.
I'll actually disagree with you on this one. I felt labrada was waaaaay superior to haney both those years. Size and size alone should nto determine the winner of a show, especially the olympia.
lee haney was over-rated and looked like shit..he had the worst legs,arms and delts of all time..i still don't believe that a pile of poop like lee won the olympia 8 times during the 1980's when the quality of competitors were the best..how this body won the olympia 8 times.even though mr olympia 1990 was a drug tested one he looked the worst of them all...
How can ND approve of both Frank Zane and Dorian Yates? Seems contradictory to me.Skin color. Also heartily approves of Arnold & Priest. Haney's the only winner amongst "them" who is given a pass, most likely because he "behaves himself". :o
ND is dumb.Indeed.
I've been on this board for many years and I have never ever said one single nice thing about Ronnie Coleman, but to say Haney owns Coleman in anything is pure dumb.
Coleman wipes his azz with Haney's best.
1st of all, Haney was awesome. not as good as ronald was or some of the 90's guys maybe, but better than all his competition. who should have beat him? midget with a huge head lebrada? mindget with shitty structure gaspari? hell no.That also points to the fact that he he didn't face any greats, or at least guys in their prime who were great earlier.
*sniff sniff*fuck man.when ever there ia name of yates or coleman. they fuckin ruin the thread with their mindless debates..fuck you assholes.keep your non-sense debates in your 420 page stupid truce thread that never ends
Do I smell a 400+ page thread?
Haney looked great in 1991.
but in earlier years, sometimes he did not.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/haney/lh146.jpg)
Come on sombody show me a better latspread then this!
Lee Haney was a great bodybuilder and champion. His physique was very complete, and he had incredible muscularity with a fantastic taper. His pectoralis were some of the thickest ever, he had a wasp waist. His arms were not huge, but his biceps were incredible.Practically gushing amidst yet another one-dimensional assessment. Sounds like something right out of Flex.
Practically gushing amidst yet another one-dimensional assessment. Sounds like something right out of Flex.
Come on sombody show me a better latspread then this!a pose or two does not make you a mr olympia..haney was all bullshit and nothing esle.i had guys like rich,christain,labrada,fox and a bunch of other guys made haney look like haney who???.he was juat a pile of poop and nothing else.he did deserve a 3 or 4 olympias and not more than that.
Quote from: alexxx on October 24, 2006, 10:31:00 AM
Come on sombody show me a better latspread then this!
a pose or two does not make you a mr olympia..haney was all bullshit and nothing esle
Haney & Yates groupies obsess on lat spreads that hide huge weaknesses. They were never as deserving as claimed:
Why do you keep posting that pic of little Haney? You should post one from when he won his Olympias title. Haney was one of the all time best bodybuilders ever and could still be reigning today if he chose to.Groupies like U have to take care of that. Your words sound like they were lifted right out of Flex BTW. ;D
Why do you keep posting that pic of little Haney? You should post one from when he won his Olympias title. Haney was one of the all time best bodybuilders ever and could still be reigning today if he chose to.
Thanx to ND for confirming my point, with unimpressive shots of 8-time supposed "world's best-built man" ???, considering various greats who never won even once.I would say they are. Haney was great. I don't think he was given gifts.
Those arms are miniscule. Are they even 17"?
Thanx to ND for confirming my point, with unimpressive shots of 8-time supposed "world's best-built man" ???, considering various greats who never won even once.
Those arms are miniscule. Are they even 17"?
Thats pumpys M.O. he post what he considers a bad pic and reposts it twenty times and claims he shouldn't have won just based on one or two pics lol Alexxx he's not to smart we let him post pics and he's happy .
Yawn ....I've heard this tired story before . FYI Haney's arms were 21" and your obsession with big arms is plain odd , anyway if you don't find that shot impressive you're just not a fan of bodybuilding , oh thats right you're not.You've been reading too many Flex mags. Apparently you're fascinated by smallish arms & legs out of balance with the torso. 21" arms would mean that they were very close in size to Schwarzenegger's. ???
Thanx to ND for confirming my point, with unimpressive shots of 8-time supposed "world's best-built man" ???, considering various greats who never won even once.
Those arms are miniscule. Are they even 17"?
God, I'm still trying to decide whether you're more annoying or stupid.
don't even start with the mandatory crap. What difference does it make if it is not a mandatory pose. If dorian did not have so many major flaws he wouldn't have to worry about whether or not it was a mandatory pose or not, now would he? It highlights the tremendous differences in quality over dorian, that are, as you said, independent of bodyeight.
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shawn owned dorian in 94, mandatories or not.
Cormier owned them allPic doesn't back it up. ;D
Pic doesn't back it up. ;Dno it doesn't. Cormier was awesome but no way is he "owning" all of them
You've already been laughed out of getbig with the claim today that Dillet had "small" delts. hahahaahahahahaahahahah[/s
Don't worry ND now claims that Haney had 21" arms. You guys are great together. :-*
You've already been laughed out of getbig with the claim today that Dillet had "small" delts. hahahaahahahahaahahahahhttp://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=101370.75
Don't worry ND now claims that Haney had 21" arms. You guys are great together. :-*
pumpsters gotta post that pic of the MM variation comparo of yeates vs dillet... clasped handsYou mean ND's rival for idiocy SUCKY claiming that Dillet's delts are "small" & "over-rated" & that Dillet's upper body can't compare with Yates'? ::)
Pic doesn't back it up. ;D
no it doesn't. Cormier was awesome but no way is he "owning" all of them
You've been reading too many Flex mags. Apparently you're fascinated by smallish arms & legs out of balance with the torso. 21" arms would mean that they were very close in size to Schwarzenegger's. ???
No, I said Dillet's delts were overrated, especially when compared to his great biceps&triceps. His front delts were incredibly dominant, but his medial and anterior delt heads were weak. The evidence? Dillet got destroyed by Dorian in the side triceps shot, despite having the bigger triceps and serratus at least as good. Paul's medial and anterior delt heads were underdeveloped when compared to his monstrous frontal heads. In fact, in the side chest shot, I think Dillet's defective medial and anterior deltoid heads compromised the pose more than his incredibly flat pectoralis - which goes to show how pathetic your assertion that he wins from the sides is. Pumpster, I own you!
Ok. Supply evidence that Haney did not have 21" arms and we''ll talk. Arnold had 22" arms at 237 lbs, so there's no reason to assume Haney didn't have 21" since he came in at 250 lbs. Look aty the shots of them doing the front double biceps, and you'll see that Haney's arms do not appear any smaller than Arnold's, despite the fact that Haney's torso is larger. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Haney making Sergio's arms look pathetic. ;)
Haney making Sergio's arms look pathetic.Trying & failing to twist the truth-his arms look at least the same size as Haney's-in that shot he's in his 40s!
I do recall a shot in musclemag showing Haney's arm taping 20.5 inches20.5" was not big enough for a 250 lb. torso, considering that guys like Sergio and Arnold had larger arms at lighter weights.
20.5" was not big enough for a 250 lb. torso, considering that guys like Sergio and Arnold had larger arms at lighter weights.
Yates & Haney: 14 Sandows
Robinson, Fox, Szkalak, Padilla, Callender, Mentzer : 0
What's wrong with this picture and is it a coincidence most of the guys in the second line left the IFBB?
Robinson never had the conditioning to beat Zane , Fox looked great in power shots but most of the mandatories he sucked , Kal was never in the running , Padilla was awesome appearently his height was a flaw
Regurgitated Flex mag propoganda.
This is horrible. Please tell me he was off the drugs here :'(
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Thats your offten simplistic explanation , Shawn Perine who works for Flex magazine said 1981 Mr Olympia was a joke and Franco shouldn't have won , Shawn along Peter McGough have both rank Ronnie among the best they ever seen in a contest , is that Flex propaganda as well?
That pic I believe is from 1982 no where near his best but classic pumpster post an old/bad pic and claim how terrible he is ::) you guys fear accuracy for a reason.
No thats called stating the obvious. ;)
Actually it was me, but you get the point ;)
Oh I get the point like the other delusional Coleman nut huggers you fear posting good shots.
Please post one.
Oh I get the point like the other delusional Coleman nut huggers you fear posting good shots.
I have posted pleanty already. and stating the obvious our friend Ronnie ColemanThat was humble for him to say, but I think Dorian would have lost. ronnie had that show from the get go.
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
That was humble for him to say, but I think Dorian would have lost. ronnie had that show from the get go.
Humble or honest? if Yates showed up looking like he did in 97 its very safe to say he would have lost , Yates 93/95 different story.ok maybe i ment modest. Because it wasn't honest, I think Ronnie knew he would have beaten him.
ok maybe i ment modest. Because it wasn't honest, I think Ronnie knew he would have beaten him.
and its hard to knock the champion off the block
Ronnie acknowledges the obvious politics of Yates reign right there...
He is admitting that the judges were very reluctant to knock Yates off, even if he was in off shape and injured and deserved to lose against superior compeition (94 and 97)
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no way is that pic from 1982. Haney looked way younger than that back then, here is a shot probably from his first win, in 1984:
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/haney/lh122.jpg)
Whats funny is Ronnie had no problem telling Jay he would need to be reborn with better genetics to think he could ever beat him and he was on crack for think he could , so I think Ronnie was being honest he apparently has no problem telling people the truth.I think Ronnie just says stuff like that when he is in the public eye.
Talk about wishfull thinking ! He knew Yates was clearly superior to him and he could never match his level on size & conditioning .
1997 is not 1999
This is the only shot that matters from 97
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Clearly the best backside in the show that year, which is why he won. In this years olympia Ronnie lost becuase Cutler beat him from the back, simple as that.
This is the only shot that matters from 97Very very true-he looked like garbage from any other angle..