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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Tom on October 24, 2006, 09:57:09 AM
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everyone talks about how pro bb is dying or in a state of flux and denial. show attendance down, no tv coverage, etcetera. but what about natural bodybuilding! truly that is dying even more so i think.
at least you still have all the bb mags with pros on the cover, even though no tv coverage, the mr. o is still usually ( except this year) available for pay per view, the best pros still get their endorsements, pros still make money selling dvd's and videos, and yes, a few of them have tiny bits in movies, plus the Arnold is a huge hit every year especially the expo with the fans.
what can be said about the natural bodybuilding scene though! when's the last time you saw a natural bb on any mag cover except perhaps the small read new magazine REPS, they show don't natural shows on tv either anymore, no natural bb fitness shows on espn like flex appeal, co-ed training,etc. anymore and the most well known shows musclemania still are done around the world with the world championship in hollywood, but it's lost it's buzz factor.
you have/had the 3 probably most well known natural bodybuilders in the world, bill davey,mike o'hearn and clark bartram, all retired from competition, haven't been on a magazine cover in like forever. davey and bartram seem to be content to train and own gyms in almost like their careers have gone backward in that that is what they were doing before their competition, modeling, tv show days. and o'hearn is content to start his line of gyms plus to do other outside bb business and do the occassional bad B movie.
comments?!
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Dead......... next!
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There is no such thing as natural bodybuilders that have ever been on the cover of a legit BB magazine (excluding g/f/p). "Natural" as defined in the last ten years means more like less than 1g/wk total of sauce which now appears to not be enough to have a "natural" on a BB magazine cover. The true naturals are either fat as hell or on a good day 200lbs which nobody cares to look at in a magazine when they can see it in their mirror as they scarf down $1,500/month of supplements. hope this helps...
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Must be very different in the US.In the UK natural bodybuilding is really on the up.There are most competitors and larger crowds.The standards are getting higher and higher and natural bodybuilding is getting lots of magazine coverage including front cover shots on the only true UK independent magazines The Beef and Health and Strength.UK bodybuilders are doing fantastically well on the world stage also-look out for Jon Harris and Cheryl Myers in the WNBF Pro Worlds in New York in 3 weeks and the very strong British Team,including twice world champ,Rob Hope doing the PNBA? Worlds in California.The NPA will also be sending a very strong team to the UIBBN Worlds in Italy including the freaky Andrew Merrifield.Watch out-the Brits are coming 8)
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Must be very different in the US.In the UK natural bodybuilding is really on the up.There are most competitors and larger crowds.The standards are getting higher and higher and natural bodybuilding is getting lots of magazine coverage including front cover shots on the only true UK independent magazines The Beef and Health and Strength.UK bodybuilders are doing fantastically well on the world stage also-look out for Jon Harris and Cheryl Myers in the WNBF Pro Worlds in New York in 3 weeks and the very strong British Team,including twice world champ,Rob Hope doing the PNBA? Worlds in California.The NPA will also be sending a very strong team to the UIBBN Worlds in Italy including the freaky Andrew Merrifield.Watch out-the Brits are coming 8)
Define natural bodybuilder? I know only so called "natural" BB:ers, guys who didn't get caught in tests, but who uses all chemical help they can get. I bet it is just same all over the world, so what's a big deal? You can't trust their word about it, so you should test them, but you cant do that, because it is too easy to fool those tests. There isn't ever going to be enough money to do fool proof test for all competitors, so what else is new? I am sorry if I brake your illusion about the new breed of natural bodybuilders, but there isn't such thing...
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natural bodybuilding, truly dead or dying?!
It's been dead for years, Thomas.
Everyone now belongs to the darkside....
DIV
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It's been dead for years, Thomas.
Everyone now belongs to the darkside....
That's why it's the "darkside" cause these "natural" homos are in the closet!!! Take a look at Melvin Anthony...musclemania competitor "natural" all of sudden goes pro on the "sauce" and only puts on 15-20lbs to get his procard? Come on that's a fuggin joke! With those type of "natural" genetics he would of put on probably 80lbs on the juice (ok, not that much but you get the point)! So "natural" means naturally good at lying! hope this helps...
DIV
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Define natural bodybuilder? I know only so called "natural" BB:ers, guys who didn't get caught in tests, but who uses all chemical help they can get. I bet it is just same all over the world, so what's a big deal? You can't trust their word about it, so you should test them, but you cant do that, because it is too easy to fool those tests. There isn't ever going to be enough money to do fool proof test for all competitors, so what else is new? I am sorry if I brake your illusion about the new breed of natural bodybuilders, but there isn't such thing...
^Concur.
Everyone who can break the rules is going to, tested or not.
Even those who claimed "natural" back in the day were probably not natural.
DIV
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I think natural bodybuilding is the only kind of bodybuilding with a real future TBH.
That British dude that someone posted a pic of, and others, those are not immediate targets for legal actions.
I think other countries are going to follow the example of Hungary, where testing positive with steroids will get you into prison. The situation is very different from the 70's and the 80's.
YIP
Zack
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I think other countries are going to follow the example of Hungary, where testing positive with steroids will get you into prison. The situation is very different from the 70's and the 80's.
I think you're delusional if you really believe this, Zachariah.
Most civilized countries won't go to those extremes.
Only the third world countries......
DIV
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There is no such thing as natural bodybuilders that have ever been on the cover of a legit BB magazine (excluding g/f/p).
Well I've been on the cover of a not g/f/p BB magazine :P
(http://usera.imagecave.com/Rammer/NaturalPhysiqueCover.jpg)
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I think you're delusional if you really believe this, Zachariah.
Most civilized countries won't go to those extremes.
Only the third world countries......
DIV
Hungary is a civilized country, and they did it.
A lot of other countries are getting tougher legislations in regards to steroids.
In fact, no countries are getting more liberal as far as steroids goes.
If you cannot acknowledge the fact that there is globally a united effort to target steroid use, then you are not in touch with reality IMO.
Sure, there are still countries where steroids are legal and can be traded from without any problems.
The legal situation is clear though: There are tougher legislation against steroids worldwide today than 10 years ago.
Some call it witch hunt, others use the word crusade. Whatever you want to call it, I believe it will continue.
YIP
Zack
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Hungary is a civilized country, and they did it.
A lot of other countries are getting tougher legislations in regards to steroids.
In fact, no countries are getting more liberal as far as steroids goes.
If you cannot acknowledge the fact that there is globally a united effort to target steroid use, then you are not in touch with reality IMO.
Sure, there are still countries where steroids are legal and can be traded from without any problems.
The legal situation is clear though: There are tougher legislation against steroids worldwide today than 10 years ago.
Some call it witch hunt, others use the word crusade. Whatever you want to call it, I believe it will continue.
YIP
Zack
Zachariah,
When I was deployed to Bosnia, we traveled through Hungary.....
If that's a civilized country, what is your definition of a third world country?
Throwing people in prison for testing positive won't happen here.....or in North America for that matter.
DIV
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Zachariah,
When I was deployed to Bosnia, we traveled through Hungary.....
If that's a civilized country, what is your definition of a third world country?
Throwing people in prison for testing positive won't happen here.....or in North America for that matter.
DIV
I agree....it aint gonna happen
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Zachariah,
When I was deployed to Bosnia, we traveled through Hungary.....
If that's a civilized country, what is your definition of a third world country?
Throwing people in prison for testing positive won't happen here.....or in North America for that matter.
DIV
I don't know when you visited Hungary. By claiming it is a third world country, you come across as ignorant.
Hungary may have economic problems, and it's definitely not on par with old members of the EU. No third world country could ever become a member of the EU.
It's not by definition a third world country. If you believe that, you have your definitions all wrong.
Somalia is a good example of third world country.
Hungary, while poor in some instances, is not.
When did you visit Hungary?
YIP
Zack
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I don't know when you visited Hungary. By claiming it is a third world country, you come across as ignorant.
Hungary may have economic problems, and it's definitely not on par with old members of the EU. No third world country could ever become a member of the EU.
It's not by definition a third world country. If you believe that, you have your definitions all wrong.
Somalia is a good example of third world country.
Hungary, while poor in some instances, is not.
When did you visit Hungary?
YIP
Zack
'98 with the 3rdAD out of Germany....
It was poor, it was desolate and it was rural.
It was what I assume all third world countries appear to be.
People begging, women nursing, children playing.....
All in all, a country like that would probably throw people in prison for testing positive, but that shit won't happen here.
Considering how many people use AAS, that would mean more prisons would need to be built.
DIV
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I don't know when you visited Hungary. By claiming it is a third world country, you come across as ignorant.
Hungary may have economic problems, and it's definitely not on par with old members of the EU. No third world country could ever become a member of the EU.
It's not by definition a third world country. If you believe that, you have your definitions all wrong.
Somalia is a good example of third world country.
Hungary, while poor in some instances, is not.
When did you visit Hungary?
YIP
Zack
Hungary...never been there but doubt it's third-world.
I've been to Somalia & Mexico......right there are two third world countries.
If they urinate in the streets, eat their pets, & sell their daughters for money.....thats a third world country.
;)
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Hungary...never been there but doubt it's third-world.
I've been to Somalia & Mexico......right there are two third world countries.
If they urinate in the streets, eat their pets, & sell their daughters for money.....thats a third world country.
;)
:-X whoa.
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Hungary...never been there but doubt it's third-world.
I've been to Somalia & Mexico......right there are two third world countries.
If they urinate in the streets, eat their pets, & sell their daughters for money.....thats a third world country.
;)
How the hell does Mexico stay such a shit hole when Canada and the USA prospered?
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Hungary...never been there but doubt it's third-world.
I've been to Somalia & Mexico......right there are two third world countries.
If they urinate in the streets, eat their pets, & sell their daughters for money.....thats a third world country.
;)
Hungary isn't much different than Bosnia in terms of the standard of living.
I saw many of the same things in both places.
How the hell does Mexico stay such a shit hole when Canada and the USA prospered?
Mexico is run by corruption. There is no middle class there. Just rich and poor. Only the rich are super rich and the poor are dirt poor. Politicians don't run Mexico....the mafia does. It's only a shithole if you can't afford to live in the upscale parts of the country.
DIV
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I think natural bodybuilding is the only kind of bodybuilding with a real future TBH.
That British dude that someone posted a pic of, and others, those are not immediate targets for legal actions.
I think other countries are going to follow the example of Hungary, where testing positive with steroids will get you into prison. The situation is very different from the 70's and the 80's.
YIP
Zack
I think that the use of these drugs will come under more intense scrutiny in the next 5 to 10 years. Eventually there will be a tipping point where people start to die or get very sickfrom them in the strength/bodybuilding/wrestling fields and it will draw unwanted attention to these sports from government agencies.
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How the hell does Mexico stay such a shit hole when Canada and the USA prospered?
Honestly...I think it's in their culture to live this way.
Here in California....the biggest fear of home owners is a Mexican family moving into your block. The first thing they do is move in about 2-3 families under one roof. Then they decide to kill all their grass by not watering it. Because they believe in having a zillion kids, they all play in the streets & throw their garbage all over the place instead of trash cans because they know someone (or the wind) will remove it.
They they eventually move in all of their friends & remaining families somewhere on the block so they can have fiestas every sunday.
Before you know it.....
it's a Mexican ghetto with broken beer bottles everywhere & every fence is tagged.
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Honestly...I think it's in their culture to live this way.
Here in California....the biggest fear of home owners is a Mexican family moving into your block. The first thing they do is move in about 2-3 families under one roof. Then they decide to kill all their grass by not watering it. Because they believe in having a zillion kids, they all play in the streets & throw their garbage all over the place instead of trash cans because they know someone (or the wind) will remove it.
They they eventually move in all of their friends & remaining families somewhere on the block so they can have fiestas every sunday.
Before you know it.....
it's a Mexican ghetto with broken beer bottles everywhere & every fence is tagged.
They have 5 junk cars on their lawns too?
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Honestly...I think it's in their culture to live this way.
Here in California....the biggest fear of home owners is a Mexican family moving into your block. The first thing they do is move in about 2-3 families under one roof. Then they decide to kill all their grass by not watering it. Because they believe in having a zillion kids, they all play in the streets & throw their garbage all over the place instead of trash cans because they know someone (or the wind) will remove it.
They they eventually move in all of their friends & remaining families somewhere on the block so they can have fiestas every sunday.
Before you know it.....
it's a Mexican ghetto with broken beer bottles everywhere & every fence is tagged.
hahaha! fiestas!
Im sorry thats mean, but funny.
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Natural b/bing could exist if a cheap, reliable, and easy to administer test were devised. And backed by the IOC. Then, natural b/bing might have a chance.
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They have 5 junk cars on their lawns too?
Usually honda civic's
Honetly, it's pretty sad.......I seen home values drop simply with a mexican family moving onto a block. Seriously, it's not the hard working Mexican/Hispanic families (Husband - Wife...few kids)....it's the one that move multiple families under one roof. They're about one step above the animal kingdom.
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hahaha! fiestas!
Im sorry thats mean, but funny.
It's not funny...ever want to sleep in on a sunday morning?
How about go to bed early on a Sunday night because you have to get up early for work?
Usually...these people don't have a normal M-F (9-5) job. They can sleep all day & pick through the garbage cans
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Natural b/bing could exist if a cheap, reliable, and easy to administer test were devised. And backed by the IOC. Then, natural b/bing might have a chance.
People pay to see freaks. Would people pay to see naturals? Remains to be seen.
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Mexico isn't a third world country.
It would be considered second world. Much like India or China. They might be crappy but they are not Congo or Rwanda Or Somalia or Afghanistan or some other equally crappy country.
There is a following of Natural bodybuilders and bodybuilding everywhere.
Also not everyone is a cheat or a liar.
There are more tested shows all the time. The darkside might appeal to those that want it quicker and faster but I don't.
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It's not funny...ever want to sleep in on a sunday morning?
How about go to bed early on a Sunday night because you have to get up early for work?
Usually...these people don't have a normal M-F (9-5) job. They can sleep all day & pick through the garbage cans
thats horrible.
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Mexico isn't a third world country.
It's third world...100%
Until the political corruption leaves & the cities and people are taken care of....
it's third world
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People pay to see freaks. Would people pay to see naturals? Remains to be seen.
If a $25 test existed where you could accurately determine if the physique was real or not, the fake stuff would be greatly devalued. Many would still want to see 22" arms, but many more would want to see what could be built legit.
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Hungary isn't much different than Bosnia in terms of the standard of living.
You were in Hungary in 1998.
That's 8 years ago.
Without going into too much detail, Hungary is a member of EU these days, and no country becomes a member unless it meets certain standards.
You think not much can happen in 8 years? Think again.
A country such as the Chech Republic, that used to be poor, is currently booming. As is most of these countries.
Fortunately, you have an obsolete image of Hungary.
There are still problems, such as ineffective farming, and little high-tech industries. But Hungary is part of the EU, and will eventually catch up with the rest of the members.
YIP
Zack
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All natural shows in the UK are drug tested.The NPA tests are carried out by UK Sports to IOC/WADA standards.The BNBF have pioneered the use of off season/out of competition testing.Sure,some people could try to beat the tests but is it worth it? Firstly you risk getting tested positive-having to pay for your drug test,get a lifetime ban and be branded a cheat by your peers.Secondly,if you did beat the test you would know yourself that you had cheated and get no pleasure from any victories.Thirdly,what do you win-a trophy and a few supplements.
I have competed lifetime natural with moderate success(won regional qualifiers and placed 5th at the national finals) and truly believe that 95% are clean.I'm not going to worry about what others may or may not be taking as I have enough to worry about trying to get those glutes and hams in ;D If others want to cheat that's up to them,don't be put off competition because you think your competitors might not be natural just get in the shape of your life and be a real winner.
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Never was!
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Well I've been on the cover of a not g/f/p BB magazine :P
(http://usera.imagecave.com/Rammer/NaturalPhysiqueCover.jpg)
I give you your props if you are a natty if that's you but no offense, it's not Flexx or any other big magazine of which the majority of the BBing community subscribes to. I would believe you are natty and have a great physique but people just don't pay for that look.
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I agree with what you said above. I used to promote natural BB shows and I struggled to fill seats. People want to see freaks.
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I agree with what you said above. I used to promote natural BB shows and I struggled to fill seats. People want to see freaks.
Sad reality is there are alot of dudes on the sauce that still don't look that good!
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Sad reality is there are alot of dudes on the sauce that still don't look that good!
true but his biceps look to be about 16 and his chest......dude. up the dosage
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true but his biceps look to be about 16 and his chest......dude. up the dosage
Well I was 158 lbs there at 5'8". In my avatar I'm 174lbs.
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Natural BB IS DEAD ;D ;D ;D
(http://www.bodybuilders.com/lacour2.jpg)
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All natural shows in the UK are drug tested.The NPA tests are carried out by UK Sports to IOC/WADA standards.The BNBF have pioneered the use of off season/out of competition testing.Sure,some people could try to beat the tests but is it worth it? Firstly you risk getting tested positive-having to pay for your drug test,get a lifetime ban and be branded a cheat by your peers.Secondly,if you did beat the test you would know yourself that you had cheated and get no pleasure from any victories.Thirdly,what do you win-a trophy and a few supplements.
I have competed lifetime natural with moderate success(won regional qualifiers and placed 5th at the national finals) and truly believe that 95% are clean.I'm not going to worry about what others may or may not be taking as I have enough to worry about trying to get those glutes and hams in ;D If others want to cheat that's up to them,don't be put off competition because you think your competitors might not be natural just get in the shape of your life and be a real winner.
I just hope that you really aren't that dump? Everywhere where they have competitions between men about size, strength, speed etc. there is doping. No matter if there is tests or not. So simple. When there is even a tin medal to win, there is somebody trying to cheat it for himself and you can't prevent that with any way possible. You must have heard Olympics, summer or winter, no matter. There have always been tests for competitors, but from 100% who have used doping, only 0.01% get caught. How the hell that's happened? One of the biggest sport event in whole world, and by far most money involved, and they doesn't have proper tests? If you try to put that to proportion, what is the probability that you have foolproof test in some natural bodybuilding contest? None what so ever, so it is futile to talk about natural bodybuilders. There is no way to proof that somebody is natural, so why make the claim?
You pass the test today, but what you were using last year? Did you juiced up first five or ten years of your training, then stop and claim you are natural. Prove that isn't true, if you can. There is no way in hell to prove that, so there is many shades of truth on natural bodybuilding. One of the funniest definitions for natural was a guy who was juicing heavily past 15 years, stop for a year and TaDaa!!!: here you have a natural bodybuilder. What a fucking joke.
If Ronnie stops and doesn't use any gear for a year, he can go for natural contest ? Well why not, in that time he is natural, no way to deny that...
If you have to define natural bodybuilder, there is only one way to do that: bodybuilder who haven't use anything, no chemical help what so ever never in his life and who can prove that. Can you prove that you fit in that definition? Nope.
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I cannot prove that to anyone else-unless you trust a polygraph,but I know myself,that is far more important.
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Drugged bb, natural bb....eh, no one cares......I've heard countless men and women comment that both gymnasts and some long distance runners are "too muscular" for "their taste".
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Natural BB IS DEAD ;D ;D ;D
(http://www.bodybuilders.com/lacour2.jpg)
(http://www.francoisgay.com/bilderweb/franc-ztng1.jpg)
all drugs...