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Well i just benched 225 for 36 reps...At a bodyweight of 187 LBS....More twice what nassar could do...What's the most you can do..This was after an extreme carb up, where i ate a whole pot of rice the night before.
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225 x 36, that's pretty damn strong. what's your squat and deadlift rep maxes for 225?
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225 x 36, that's pretty damn strong. what's your squat and deadlift rep maxes for 225?
Unfortunately, I have a bad back and can’t do either exercise.
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I wonder how our bodies allocate resources. Like choad... if you were abole to squat and dead regularly, your bench numbers would naturally be lower, right? I mean for 187, that is very very good.
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Yep, lol.
Nasser had the worst form and lowest levels of intensity during his training that I have ever seen of any pro - and I've seen them all.
I think on Monday I will be able to hit 225 for 20. I'll get a spotter and the extra assurance will probably allow me at least a couple more reps.
I carb depleted for 5 straight days. Then i carbed up for 3 days, loading up with Creative ethyl ester, and carbs...and Consuming 1000 grams of carbs per day, for 3 straight days...I went from 183 before the carb up to 201lbs.That what I’m assuming contributed to all the extra reps..I wasn't even a goal of mine...i was just feeling so strong from all the extra cellular volume...
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I carb depleted for 5 straight days. Then i carbed up for 3 days, loading up with Creative ethyl ester, and carbs...and Consuming 1000 grams of carbs per day, for 3 straight days...I went from 183 before the carb up to 201lbs.That what I’m assuming contributed to all the extra reps..
what bodyweight did you initially start at, before the carb-deprivation?
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what bodyweight did you initially start at, before the carb-deprivation?
187 was my intial weight...
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hell yeah im stronger but i have been powerlifting sice i was 14(21 now)
but he was way bigger than i will ever be and at one point may have been stronger than me at something
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Well i just benched 225 for 36 reps...At a bodyweight of 187 LBS
where is sarcasm to call bullshit?
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I can do 225 for 40. then superset with 315 bent over rows...
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how many times did nasser get 225? i can get it 15 times...but i havent had more than about 100 grmas of carbs for about four months now; so im sure i can get 20 the first week i start back up bulking.
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Well i just benched 225 for 36 reps...At a bodyweight of 187 LBS....More twice what nassar could do...What's the most you can do..This was after an extreme carb up, where i ate a whole pot of rice the night before.
Choad, that's very impressive and I don't doubt you, but is there anyway you can take a video and post it? Do you compete in powerlifting? If you could bench in the mid to upper 4's at that weight without a shirt I think you could get close to a world record with a shirt at that weight.
Also, remember that video of nassar is actually nassar at his worst...so the thread should say, could you at your best, bench what nassar can at his worst, lol...that will ruin many peoples day in the gym.
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how many times did nasser get 225? i can get it 15 times...but i havent had more than about 100 grmas of carbs for about four months now; so im sure i can get 20 the first week i start back up bulking.
15 for what i remember...
correct if im wrong but at least his form on that day was the better of all competitors...the guy who won for what i remember didnt went to the chest for example on any repetition
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Yep, lol.
Nasser had the worst form and lowest levels of intensity during his training that I have ever seen of any pro - and I've seen them all.
I think on Monday I will be able to hit 225 for 20. I'll get a spotter and the extra assurance will probably allow me at least a couple more reps.
I agree, I trained chest with Nasser when he came to Iowa for a Grand Jury hearing 3 years ago and he trained like a total panzie. We started with cable crossovers for 3 sets and then went to incline barbell bench and supersetted that with flat bench. After that he walked on the treadmill for 45 minutes and I was like WTF? This is when he was around 12 weeks out of the NOC and he trained with absolutely zero intensity. He was an intelligent, nice guy and a class act I must say though.
And yes I do have a stronger bench than Nasser, even 3 years ago when I was 18. And where did a strong bench get me? A torn pec that I'm recovering from and will NEVER bench again.
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i'm a little confused. are we talking about elsonbaty?
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i'm a little confused. are we talking about elsonbaty?
yeah man, Nasser El Sonbaty...
i really cant believe a guy that big didnt train with 'heavy ass weights BOO UOOO' like Ronnie at least in some years...probably he just think he didnt needed too in the later years of his carreer...
Strenght apart, that guy was the ultimate mass monster
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And yes I do have a stronger bench than Nasser, even 3 years ago when I was 18. And where did a strong bench get me? A torn pec that I'm recovering from and will NEVER bench again.
exactly ...
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You could tell Naz just didn't have His heart into that benching comp. The thing is that He was the only guy to use perfect form, The winner, was it Duvall, was using partial reps and never came close to touching His chest or locking out. Maby not competing in His first O in 10 years took something out of Him or the fact that He's getting on and just doesn't have what it takes to be an Olympian anymore hurt him more than we know.
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You could tell Naz just didn't have His heart into that benching comp. The thing is that He was the only guy to use perfect form, The winner, was it Duvall, was using partial reps and never came close to touching His chest or locking out. Maby not competing in His first O in 10 years took something out of Him or the fact that He's getting on and just doesn't have what it takes to be an Olympian anymore hurt him more than we know.
Jeramy Freeman won. And you you are right about the form. Freeman and everyone else that beat Nasser did quarter reps and pumped em out at a very rapid pace.
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ive benched 225 for 112 reps.
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ive benched 225 for 112 reps.
HOLY SHIT! you bench what TA DEADLIFTS! You own him!
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HOLY SHIT! you bench what TA DEADLIFTS! You own him!
yeah it was so eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeasy
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Well i just benched 225 for 36 reps...At a bodyweight of 187 LBS....More twice what nassar could do...What's the most you can do..This was after an extreme carb up, where i ate a whole pot of rice the night before.
If you put up 155lbs for 4 reps I'd be impressed......shit, I'd impressed if you put up 135lbs.
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Yep, lol.
Nasser had the worst form and lowest levels of intensity during his training that I have ever seen of any pro - and I've seen them all.
I think on Monday I will be able to hit 225 for 20. I'll get a spotter and the extra assurance will probably allow me at least a couple more reps.
Matt, I am around 20 also, high teens last time I checked. Tuesday is my next chest, I will go for it
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Well i just benched 225 for 36 reps...At a bodyweight of 187 LBS....More twice what nassar could do...What's the most you can do..This was after an extreme carb up, where i ate a whole pot of rice the night before.
When you're in better shape than Nasser let us know. Until then.. who cares?
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I would be shocked if MattC benched 225 for 1 rep. Dude is a stick and a liar
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Yep, lol.
Nasser had the worst form and lowest levels of intensity during his training that I have ever seen of any pro - and I've seen them all.
I think on Monday I will be able to hit 225 for 20. I'll get a spotter and the extra assurance will probably allow me at least a couple more reps.
Anyone find the first quote to this kind of funny.
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i can bench 225 for 4 and its the truth :(
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about two years ago, 255 for 10 at around 200 lbs.
now? who knows, i'd guess 135 for 4.
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Well i just benched 225 for 36 reps...At a bodyweight of 187 LBS....
I don't believe that.
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about two years ago, 255 for 10 at around 200 lbs.
now? who knows, i'd guess 135 for 4.
why do you quit training for periods of time?
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seriously though. when i read someone benching x for y reps it just does nothing for me.
i mean there are so many ways of cheating ie speed, short range, bounce, etc, etc, not to mention natural range of motion.
if you can bench BIG weights then i'm sort of impressed but 225 for whatever ::) doesn't mean shit. unless you HAVE to do it for some stupid fitness test, why do it at all? get off your ass and do some constructive shit if you got energy to burn. even running 5k in 20 minutes is more impressive.
i'm surprised about nasser. i remember reading mags in his hey day where he was aparently a very hard trainer, could shoulder press the 200lb dbs etc. i guess that was all bs then ???
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I would be shocked if MattC benched 225 for 1 rep. Dude is a stick and a liar
225 for 16
he posted the youtube clip to prove it
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i can bench 225 for 4 and its the truth :(
so in reality 135 for 6 ;D
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That doesnt mean that you are strong - you are just endurant(you have a high % of red muscle fibres).
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How so? Check out the clips on Nasser's website for proof:
http://www.hugenasserelsonbaty.com/merchandise.html
No offense to Nasser - he had one of the greatest physiques ever, but quite objectively, his training was not particularly intense.
I was talking the Adonis reference on the Youtube quotes.
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his numbers arnt impressive but his body is, theres a few older guys in my gym who just use moderate weights for 10-12 reps and they have great bodys, look much stronger then me, they may have done heavy lifting in the pass as nasser may have but they are smart and doing something right to maintain it so well
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his numbers arnt impressive but his body is, theres a few older guys in my gym who just use moderate weights for 10-12 reps and they have great bodys, look much stronger then me, they may have done heavy lifting in the pass as nasser may have but they are smart and doing something right to maintain it so well
That would be me. I have young bucks sliding up to the bench next to mine all the time, killing themselves trying to show me up. When you are bigger than me, then you have shown me up.
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That would be me. I have young bucks sliding up to the bench next to mine all the time, killing themselves trying to show me up. When you are bigger than me, then you have shown me up.
don't forget nasser's had his shoulders operated on a few times. maybe if this was 1997 he'd be pounding the reps out but now it's fairly impressive he can move at all.
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187 was my intial weight...
then you were heavier than that when you benched moron.
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then you were heavier than that when you benched moron.
No my weigh is 187 when i don't manipulate carbs fool..
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what is your heaviest bench if you can do 225 36 times?
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what is your heaviest bench if you can do 225 36 times?
i've already posted it..
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Well i just benched 225 for 36 reps...At a bodyweight of 187 LBS....More twice what nassar could do...What's the most you can do..This was after an extreme carb up, where i ate a whole pot of rice the night before.
But Nasser is more muscular than you ;)
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Natzar does 10 grams a week!
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But Nasser is more muscular than you ;)
his naval is also 16 times larger than mine..WTF is your point?
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i've already posted it..
i guess it wasn't worth mentioning again hey? ;D
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Very impressive reps,but it is still only 24 pounds over your bodyweight for that day.........a goal that most would at least come close to if they trained for any length of time.
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Well i just benched 225 for 36 reps...At a bodyweight of 187 LBS....More twice what nassar could do...What's the most you can do..This was after an extreme carb up, where i ate a whole pot of rice the night before.
All Drugs
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I can do 225 for 40. then superset with 315 bent over rows...
Sure you can. ::)
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Well i just benched 225 for 36 reps...At a bodyweight of 187 LBS....More twice what nassar could do...What's the most you can do..This was after an extreme carb up, where i ate a whole pot of rice the night before.
You benched your girlfriend for 36reps?
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Matt,I think it would depend on your bodyweight.
36 reps is quite impressive,but it would be more impressive if he weighed less.
Just the same,I`m certainly not knocking him,that`s damn strong!!
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Matt,I think it would depend on your bodyweight.
36 reps is quite impressive,but it would be more impressive if he weighed less.
Just the same,I`m certainly not knocking him,that`s damn strong!!
You're a retard. 36 reps with 225 is extremely strong at almost any bodyweight. That's the kind of strength you would expect from a 250 lb linebacker in the NFL. There are very few people in the world who could do 36 full reps at 200 lb. That would put your max bench somewhere in the high 400's or low 500's.
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You're a retard. 36 reps with 225 is extremely strong at almost any bodyweight. That's the kind of strength you would expect from a 250 lb linebacker in the NFL. There are very few people in the world who could do 36 full reps at 200 lb. That would put your max bench somewhere in the high 400's or low 500's.
Exactly!! I think the combine record is low to mid 40's and that is probably from guys 275-330ish. If he did it it's very impressive and on track for world record raw benching....i would like to see a video of it.
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Exactly!! I think the combine record is low to mid 40's and that is probably from guys 275-330ish. If he did it it's very impressive and on track for world record raw benching....i would like to see a video of it.
Ronnie did 225 for 77 reps at the 1997 Arnold Classic.
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it depends some guys train for rep max, i myself weigh 190-195 and hit 225 for 20, but i max out at 295, 300 on a great day, i also train without a partner but i just struggle with heavy weight on bench
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Ronnie is a freak and also not spending his day hitting and tackleing people on a field. For legit ATHLETES...that train, run, jump rope and do drills all day anything in the 20 and above is impressive. High 20's is pretty good and 30 is very good and 40's is the record. Aside from being a freak, Ronnie doesn't worry about drug test and moves only as much as he has to from machine to machine. 36 for a 180 pounder is like I said world record material.
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Poor Ronnie can only do 225 for 75 at 300... :( Choad is the King...
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Larry Allen, who is an offensive linemen for the Cowboys won the bench contest at last year's pro bowl. (he wins every year). He did 225 for 45 or 46. He has maxed at 700 before. He weighs like 350. Anything over 30 reps is pretty strong, no matter how much you weigh.
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I carb depleted for 5 straight days. Then i carbed up for 3 days, loading up with Creative ethyl ester, and carbs...and Consuming 1000 grams of carbs per day, for 3 straight days...I went from 183 before the carb up to 201lbs.That what I’m assuming contributed to all the extra reps..I wasn't even a goal of mine...i was just feeling so strong from all the extra cellular volume...
Well then you didn't do 36 reps at 187, you did 36 reps at 201, right?
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I once saw a guy rep out with 225 and get 30 reps but he weighed only 175.
The contest was 50 pounds over bodyweight for the most reps you could do.....now that is power.
Again,I never said his 36 reps was weak ,on the contrary it`s very impressive.
Do you think a guy weighing 165 pounds who does 36 reps with 190 is just as strong....I do as it is still 25 pounds over his bodyweight.
You have to take bodyweight and muscular endurance and put them into the picture.
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I dont get guys that only care about how big their bench is. Guys like Matt C is a prime example of guy just working their chest all the time. I even doubt he is 195 lbs unless he is over 6'0. Not hating, just pointing out the obvious.
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Anyone on here who thinks they are stronger than Nasser needs to stop lying to themselves. Keep training in a few years if you keep at it you may gain some muscle. Then you will realize what muscle is,what it does and how it works. At that time you can look back on the time that you thought you were stronger than Nasser and laugh but right now it is kind of sad because you may honestly believe this delusional lie that you have been led to believe.
For 225lbs you need to be hitting 30+ reps I don't car what some NFL whatever does in his football test. 30-35 is expected if you are training at the gym(about 1% of you jackasses)
I don't care what some pro bb did or didn't do in a test they had to do for a sponsor at a show
Most bodybuilders do not lift heavy most of the time. That doesn't mean they can't.
Not to flame but I just can't believe how dum people who actually lift can be. I expect it from others but you guys lift. And you still think the 300lbs bb are all show and no go. This is why I never come to this board it is supposed to be a bb board but instead you have a bunch of want a bees thinking they are somehow stronger than Nasser El Sonbaty idiots
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wow, phew...i just did 225 for 56 reps!!! at 90lbs
carbed up for 6 days starting at 88 and finished at 290lbs, but yeah, hard core dudes.
full reps too (lockout to 6 inches below my chest every rep), even put my feet up on the bench to make it harder.
fuck man, that was hard...oh shit, wait a minute??? dudes, i've just realised that i'm stronger than nasser ever was. :o and it only took me 1 minute on the key board.
high five dawgs. ::)
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I can do 225 for 40. then superset with 315 bent over rows...
thats only for your warm up right? ;D
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i think i can do 225 reps with 1 lb....does that count for something??? ;D
note that im being very honest here...
i said i THINK i can do it... :-\
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Well i just benched 225 for 36 reps...At a bodyweight of 187 LBS....More twice what nassar could do...What's the most you can do..This was after an extreme carb up, where i ate a whole pot of rice the night before.
Yep I guess I got him beat - did 110kg (242.5lbs) for 15 on bench (would have did more but got a cramp in my calf at about 14) and the same on incline.
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Damn!!!!!! new record today...225 for 41...My weight before the carb up was 183.1.Taken on a high end scale on my gym today. I'm on a CKD and its zero carb for 6 days, then 2 day carb up. I consumed about 1700 grams of carbs in those 2 days. I'm not cycling right now. However, for shits and giggles i decided to use a few anapolan 50 tabs during the carb up for better glycogen partitioning effects. My muscles were so full it was incredible and i was able to beat last week’s record....
Please note that due to extreme gylcogen partitioning effects from adding the Drol my weight was 204 today...
My goal over the next few years will be to beat ronnie's record of close to 80 reps of 225...Does anyone know what the real number of reps he did with 225....
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Damn!!!!!! new record today...225 for 41...My weight before the carb up was 183.1.Taken on a high end scale on my gym today. I'm on a CKD and its zero carb for 6 days, then 2 day carb up. I consumed about 1700 grams of carbs in those 2 days. I'm not cycling right now. However, for shits and giggles i decided to use a few anapolan 50 tabs during the carb up for better glycogen partitioning effects. My muscles were so full it was incredible and i was able to beat last week’s record....
Please note that due to extreme gylcogen partitioning effects from adding the Drol my weight was 204 today...
My goal over the next few years will be to beat ronnie's record of close to 80 reps of 225...Does anyone know what the real number of reps he did with 225....
He did 72 reps at an expo I believe to give Jimmy "The Fag Bull" Pellechia "something to shoot for"...
YIP
Zack
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I once saw a guy rep out with 225 and get 30 reps but he weighed only 175.
The contest was 50 pounds over bodyweight for the most reps you could do.....now that is power.
Again,I never said his 36 reps was weak ,on the contrary it`s very impressive.
Do you think a guy weighing 165 pounds who does 36 reps with 190 is just as strong....I do as it is still 25 pounds over his bodyweight.
You have to take bodyweight and muscular endurance and put them into the picture.
Bro I lost over 1+ pounds of fat this week, so my real weight without CARb manipulation is 185...so 225-185=41 lbs..
He did 72 reps at an expo I believe to give Jimmy "The Fag Bull" Pellechia "something to shoot for"...
YIP
Zack
Thanks for the info hedgehog...72 is a lot of fuckin reps..
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Bro I lost around over 1+ pounds of fat this week, so my real weight without Crab manipulation is 185...so 225-185=41 lbs..
Thanks for the info hedgehog...72 is a lot of fuckin reps..
um Choad wtf is crab manipulation?
interventions are the new thing man.........you should try one you drunk fvcking cvnt..................
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in the spirit of everything else, video this. 40 reps is pretty impressive at that size and i know a bunch of us would love to see it. i don't mean to sound antagonistic, but considering the hell adonis is getting for his 112 rep deadlift with 225 i'd think a 40 rep bench with the same would be game for the same scrutiny given the difficulty different between the lifts.
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I did 135 for about 50 or so reps back in September of last year. No idea what I can do now, but probably a few more than that. As for 225, I only did 16 at most, but with a spotter and doing it on a day where I'm feeling stronger (like today), I think 20 wouldn't be impossible. I got 14 after doing some heavy sets before that and negatives with 365. I don't really do negatives though. Does anyone here think they are of value?
burn out your cns more than anything. maybe for a rep or two at the end of a set, but i don't see the point in taking weights over your max just for negatives.
people keep saying that muscles are stronger on negatives, well no shit. you're letting the weight down, not lifting it back up. that's like saying you can run down a hill faster than you can run up it because your legs are biomechanically engineered to go downhill. you're going with gravity, duh.
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i did 55 reps with 135 on seated military press before, im sure i could do around 30 or so reps on incline no prob. im strong at inclines and shoulder but lag in the flat bench, it just does not feel natural to me at all.
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the microtrauma induced by negatives can lead to quick overtraining and undue soreness. i dont see any benefit from them what so ever, the negatives rule out the positives. controlling the weight is one thing but above threshold weight is asking for trouble, especially on a regular basis, and arent you natty too matt, so i would watch out for the overtraining syndrome if i were you.
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burn out your cns more than anything. maybe for a rep or two at the end of a set, but i don't see the point in taking weights over your max just for negatives.
people keep saying that muscles are stronger on negatives, well no shit. you're letting the weight down, not lifting it back up. that's like saying you can run down a hill faster than you can run up it because your legs are biomechanically engineered to go downhill. you're going with gravity, duh.
Negatives are EXTREMELY helpful for strength increases...especially with an assisted positive speed rep, either with a partner or bands, etc. That's exactly why they are and have always been a mainstay in many powerlifters training programs.
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That's actually the reason why I brought them up, because I had heard of powerlifters doing them so often.
most i know call them a drain on the cns, at best they mentally get you adjusted to the weight but little beyond that. if you want to acclimate your body to heavier weights, do lockouts or board presses. bands aren't that useful unless you have a shirt.
if you really want, just do your normal training with extra slow negatives, and given your bench vids it might do you some good to do pauses at the bottom for a while if that's your goal.
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most i know call them a drain on the cns, at best they mentally get you adjusted to the weight but little beyond that. if you want to acclimate your body to heavier weights, do lockouts or board presses. bands aren't that useful unless you have a shirt.
if you really want, just do your normal training with extra slow negatives, and given your bench vids it might do you some good to do pauses at the bottom for a while if that's your goal.
Not a knock on you at all, but the cns talk with neg sounds like stuff spwed from these new internet gurus and not legit powerlifters. Either way, I like them and have always found them extremely effective for myself and others I've trained. Of course they should be placed properly into your training and not just thrown in.
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Not a knock on you at all, but the cns talk with neg sounds like stuff spwed from these new internet gurus and not legit powerlifters. Either way, I like them and have always found them extremely effective for myself and others I've trained. Of course they should be placed properly into your training and not just thrown in.
well, that's not the case. sorry, but you'll find far fewer people who use negatives that you will guys who use boards, lockouts, chains, or bands. the injury potential on negatives is just mindblowing. and after looking at the training protocols of the top lifters in monster muscle online, elite, t-mag, or wherever else they'll put things, i noticed a distinct lack of negatives in them.
they may have a use, but their usefulness is not beyond other lifts that could be used instead, and the risks outweigh the rather meager benefits they do offer.
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well, that's not the case. sorry, but you'll find far fewer people who use negatives that you will guys who use boards, lockouts, chains, or bands. the injury potential on negatives is just mindblowing. and after looking at the training protocols of the top lifters in monster muscle online, elite, t-mag, or wherever else they'll put things, i noticed a distinct lack of negatives in them.
they may have a use, but their usefulness is not beyond other lifts that could be used instead, and the risks outweigh the rather meager benefits they do offer.
I would never say their usefulness is beyond the other techniques you mentioned and didn't. I just don't agree with the other that they (neg) are not benificial.
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well, that's not the case. sorry, but you'll find far fewer people who use negatives that you will guys who use boards, lockouts, chains, or bands. the injury potential on negatives is just mindblowing. and after looking at the training protocols of the top lifters in monster muscle online, elite, t-mag, or wherever else they'll put things, i noticed a distinct lack of negatives in them.
they may have a use, but their usefulness is not beyond other lifts that could be used instead, and the risks outweigh the rather meager benefits they do offer.
word.
matt, if you really want to get a feeling for more weight try the old faithful static holds (strong range) and partial reps in the power rack. you should also be doing statics on your weak point.
doing excess reps with a comfortable weight ie 225 for 30 - 40 is retarded. id don't understand these guys who say they want to beat what nasser or ronnie did. i mean why ??? you do know they are actually bbers don't you? doing 70 partial super quick reps with 225 means about as much to ronnie as a warmup and has about the same effect on his physiology.
why don't you try pushup reps with a weight on your back or something. that would be a much greater test of endurance with far greater results - abs, chest, tris, back, etc - than lying back on a bench and doing 40 partial piston like reps.
in any case, you take your drol and do your reps, you get to 80reps and so what? is ANYONE going to compare you to ronnie? the best reaction you'd get would be laughter at your monster obsession with a guy way out of your league, but most people would just yawn and move away.
i assume you'll be doing your 800lb squats and 430lb rows like ronnie too right?
maybe it's time you got over your obsession with pro bbers and got a life of your own. you know, just for shits and giggles.
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There's no doubt that exaggerated negative portions of lifts (not sole negatives) are hugely beneficial. Especially as a training variant.
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There's no doubt that exaggerated negative portions of lifts (not sole negatives) are hugely beneficial. Especially as a training variant.
yes, i'd agree with this. dorian used to do his reps like this. getting the advantage of the eccentric portion without overloading it.
i'm not really sure what effect doing repetitive overloaded -ve only reps with excess weight would have over the long term, but i'd tend to believe that you'd end up overtraining/injury prone.
i know darden (hit) used to recommend it be practised almost exclusively at one stage, but i have no idea what long term results the trainees got from it.
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Occasionally I used to do Ian King's Bring on the Pain workouts (particularly the first phase) from tmag and they always gave me more strength.
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I would never say their usefulness is beyond the other techniques you mentioned and didn't. I just don't agree with the other that they (neg) are not benificial.
most lifts have a benefit of some kind. i just cannot for the life of me figure out why someone would use them instead of any number of other lifts. at least over-max negatives. i think negatives with the weight you used for a set can be helpful, but why risk the injury with way heavier weights?
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Its not really an over max thing though is it. Its taking advantage of the fact that generally one can lower/stabilise more weight than they can commit a full lift with. Negatives are no more dangerous than the lift portion of any particularly heavy lift and people do that all the time.
The thing about a negative is it can't be done with poor form very easily, you always have a spotter with you because you're aware and you're always extremely careful because its a large weight for you. Things can still go wrong of course, but isn't that always true?
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well yes it's over max. you are putting more downward force on your muscles than they are capable of exerting upwards. it's a negative because if you can bench with 300 pounds of force, you're putting 320 on it. so your muscles are going to be pushing with just about their absolute maximum strength, only the weight's coming down. so now your muscles are exerting the absolute most they can while elongating.
it's more dangerous because it's more than you can lift. if i can bench 300 pounds for one rep and i have 300 or less on the bar, when the weight is coming down i'm not pulling my full 300 pounds of strength into it. think of it like math, and we'll simplify it. your chest is capable of that 300 pounds of force we keep saying. to lower 300 requires under 300 pounds of force. the up requires over 300 (otherwise it'd just stay still). your muscles are now putting the most strength they can and contracting.
to lower 320 pounds requires less than 320 pounds of force. such as 300 pounds of force. so now your muscles are attempting to contract as hard as they can, but they're also stretching at the same time. bad combo. it works at the end of the set because it's not maximal force of your muscles.
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well yes it's over max. you are putting more downward force on your muscles than they are capable of exerting upwards. it's a negative because if you can bench with 300 pounds of force, you're putting 320 on it. so your muscles are going to be pushing with just about their absolute maximum strength, only the weight's coming down. so now your muscles are exerting the absolute most they can while elongating.
it's more dangerous because it's more than you can lift. if i can bench 300 pounds for one rep and i have 300 or less on the bar, when the weight is coming down i'm not pulling my full 300 pounds of strength into it. think of it like math, and we'll simplify it. your chest is capable of that 300 pounds of force we keep saying. to lower 300 requires under 300 pounds of force. the up requires over 300 (otherwise it'd just stay still). your muscles are now putting the most strength they can and contracting.
to lower 320 pounds requires less than 320 pounds of force. such as 300 pounds of force. so now your muscles are attempting to contract as hard as they can, but they're also stretching at the same time. bad combo. it works at the end of the set because it's not maximal force of your muscles.
Its not that I disagree with you, I just do not automatically assume that the ability to lift a weight gauges the maximum ability to suffer a force on the muscles.
Everything you have said I agree with, but consider that in order to lift we must apply a force above that of the effect of gravity/weight. In lowering we introduce a controlled deficit. Since we do not fight gravity quite so much we're able to control higher weight. Again, I don't disagree with what you're saying I'm just not sure whether their is a correlation or whether lowering a weight with a deficit is equally as vulnerable as the lifting portion and thus "over max" per se. To me, you are contending that lifting a weight and lowering a weight (the same weight) is of equal danger in terms of injury. I propose (with not a single piece of physiological experience behind me :)) that that is not true.
So yeh.. I've not done any physiology so perhaps someone who definitely knows what they are talking about could pipe in.