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http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/20061025-0156-1s25nandro1.html
Supplements often blamed in positive steroid tests
Analysis by Mark Zeigler
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
Add to the list of certainties in life, along with death, taxes and the Clippers not winning the NBA championship:
An athlete who tests positive for nandrolone will blame a tainted nutritional supplement.
Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman faces a four-game suspension after failing an NFL urine test for the chemical fingerprint of the anabolic steroid nandrolone, a source confirmed to The San Diego Union-Tribune yesterday.
And while Merriman has not officially fingered supplements yet, the attorney for the 6-foot-4, 272-pound linebacker with a reported body fat of 5 percent has tossed the supplement card on the table.
“I know people get tired of hearing it, but it is a fact,” said David Cornwell, who is handling Merriman's appeal to the NFL (a hearing is scheduled for Nov. 7). “Men like Shawne get hooked up and penalized for taking something that they didn't know was present in the supplement.”
It is an increasingly common defense these days, if for no other reason than it is plausible and seems to gain sympathetic traction from a public not fully literate in the intricacies of doping. Less sold, though, is the anti-doping establishment that must sort through the various excuses and explanations for positive tests.
“It's not an accident that there are so many nandrolone cases,” Dick Pound, the head of the World Anti-Doping Agency, once said. “These folks are taking it because it works. So the minute they get caught, they go around bleating about (how) they didn't label the package properly or it was an iron supplement.
“It's just not credible to people with an IQ above room temperature.”
Nandrolone is one of the oldest anabolic steroids, commonly known as Deca Durabolin – a synthetic form of the hormone testosterone that rapidly builds muscles and enhances recovery from workouts and injuries. Athletes began using it in the days before widespread drug testing because, among the anabolic steroids, it combined a high level of effectiveness with fewer side effects.
There is one catch. The injectable form of nandrolone is stored in fat cells and can be found in urine samples months later.
Because of that, usage declined and positive tests disappeared until 1999, when a slew of athletes from the entire spectrum of global sports – soccer, tennis, judo, mountain biking, even badminton – began failing tests for the stuff. The prevailing theory among drug testers was that athletes were using a form of androstenedione or andro, the steroid precursor popularized by baseball slugger Mark McGwire.
Athletes offered an equally diverse set of explanations. A bobsledder said he ate spaghetti Bolognese made with meat from steroid-fattened cattle. Another blamed meat from an uncastrated boar. Another said his toothpaste tube was sabotaged.
But the most common defense was tainted supplements, either by a manufacturer secretly lacing his new protein powder with steroids to get better reviews or because it neglected to clean the machine of andro products before making a batch of supplements. And indeed, a 2001 study commissioned by the International Olympic Committee found that of 634 nutritional supplements tested, 14.8 percent contained banned substances; among products from U.S. companies, it was 18.8 percent.
A few athletes managed to wiggle out of competition bans in 1999. But that loophole closed in 2000, when WADA and the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency – new, independent bodies – were founded and established the principle of “strict liability” as the cornerstone of an international doping code. That meant an athlete was responsible for what was in his or her body, no matter how it got there.
The NFL Policy on Anabolic Steroids has a similar clause, and a sign in locker rooms across the league reminds players they are responsible for anything and everything they ingest. A phone number is listed to answer any questions.
Translation: Precedent suggests Merriman's chances of overturning a four-game ban are slim, regardless of how compelling his explanation.
Take the case of swimmer Kicker Vencill. He tested positive for nandrolone in an out-of-competition test in January 2003. Suspecting it was the result of a tainted supplement, he had his multivitamin from Ultimate Nutrition tested and, sure enough, it showed evidence of containing nandrolone. Vencill sued Ultimate Nutrition and was awarded a $578,635 judgment by an Orange County jury.
But his U.S. Anti-Doping Agency case didn't go as well. While USADA officials expressed sympathy with his plight, they also adhered to the rules of strict liability. He received a two-year competition ban and was ineligible for the 2004 Olympics.
The numbers, however, indicate Vencill's case is a rarity.
The U.S. Olympic Committee has estimated that 90 percent of its athletes regularly use nutritional supplements, and USADA has conducted about 40,000 drug tests since its inception in 2000. Of those, according to a source, only six showed levels of nandrolone high enough to be considered positive but low enough to possibly have come from a contaminated supplement (and not a full-blown steroid cycle).
Of the six, one was Vencill. Another was an athlete who later admitted to taking nandrolone.
The most famous nandrolone case came at the 2000 Summer Olympics in Sydney, where word leaked out that U.S. shot putter C.J. Hunter, the husband of star sprinter Marion Jones, had failed four drug tests for levels up to 1,000 times above the allowable limit of nandrolone.
Hunter held a news conference in which he proclaimed his innocence, tearfully saying: “I can't explain it. I don't know what has happened. I can promise everybody I'm going to find out.”
Sitting next to him was an expert flown in from the West Coast to explain that the positive tests were the work of a tainted iron supplement. The expert's name: Victor Conte, of BALCO.
An iron supplement?
“He would be a very rusty person,” WADA's Pound said, “if that's all it was.”
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And indeed, a 2001 study commissioned by the International Olympic Committee found that of 634 nutritional supplements tested, 14.8 percent contained banned substances; among products from U.S. companies, it was 18.8 percent.
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And indeed, a 2001 study commissioned by the International Olympic Committee found that of 634 nutritional supplements tested, 14.8 percent contained banned substances; among products from U.S. companies, it was 18.8 percent.
yeah ive heard simlar before.
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If the supplement in Merriman’s case contained nandrolone, the manufacturer would be in violation of federal law, said Dr. Gary I. Wadler, an associate professor of medicine at New York University who also works with the World Anti-Doping Agency.
“They are not supposed to have that in a dietary supplement,” Wadler said. “The only way to get the drug legally is through a legitimate prescription for a disease in a bona fide patient-doctor relationship.”
Wadler said it was unlikely that dietary supplements sold over the counter would include the steroid’s precursor.
Individuals can inject themselves with an oil that includes nandrolone, but that has not been a popular method for 20 years, Wadler said. Such an injection kept the steroid in the body for up to a year and would not be the preferred choice of an athlete subjected to frequent testing.
Dr. Donald H. Catlin, the director of the Olympic drug-testing laboratory at U.C.L.A., which also handles testing for the N.F.L. and other organizations, said positive tests for nandrolone across all sports peaked in 2001.
“Out of the 40,000 tests we do a year, there were 56 cases of nandrolone across all our tests in 2001,” he said. “They started to pick up in the late 1990’s.”
He said there were 28 positive tests last year.
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Health Strategy Consulting Press Releases
Court Vacates Judgment Against Ultimate Nutrition In The Matter of Kicker Vencill vs. Ultimate Nutrition
July 19, 2005
Ultimate Nutrition, the manufacturer of quality sports nutrition products, was recently engaged in a lawsuit filed by amateur swimmer Kicker Vencill claiming the company’s multi-vitamin, Super Complete, were contaminated and caused his urine to test positive for the substance,19-norandrosterone at 4 ng/mL., which is a banned substance for high level competitive swimmers. Vencill's positive urine test resulted in a two-year ban from amateur swimming competition, including the U.S. Olympic Trials.
Ultimate Nutrition's request to vacate the judgment argued that the jury's findings were not supported by the evidence. After considering Ultimate Nutrition's request, the judge vacated the judgment in its entirety. According to Croutch, a mutually agreeable resolution has been reached between Vencill and Ultimate Nutrition.
Prior to the original trial, Ultimate Nutrition hired the University of Southern California, the only university based USP certified laboratory in the country, to test Super Complete. Multiple tests were conducted under the supervision of Dr. Roger Clemens, Adjunct Professor, Molecular Pharmacology and Toxicology, and Director of Analytical Research and Services for the School of Pharmacy, on capsules from the same lot number as those purportedly taken by Vencill and from lot numbers before and after the one in question, which were obtained by Dr. Clemens on the open market and from Ultimate Nutrition. In addition, capsules were studied from the same bottle from which Vencill allegedly consumed contaminated capsules. All of the USC studies were negative for the alleged contaminants.
The Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements authored by Lyle MacWilliam, BSc, MSc, FP, conducted tests of 500 multivitamins and ranked Super Complete as the 10th best multi-vitamin in North America.
Ultimate Nutrition, established in 1979, has made a powerful corporate commitment to manufacturing excellence. Located in Farmington, CT, the company offers a full line of supplement products which include essential vitamins, minerals and antioxidants required for good health.
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you need to start consuming more fruits and vegetables, you are lacking many possible live benefiting phytochemicals.
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I have heard that ERGOPHARM used to lace products. Isn`t he the guy responsible for inventing "the Clear"?
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I hope this shit backfires on him and he gets in big ass toruble "The supplements did it" cop out has been beat like a dead horse
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I hope this shit backfires on him and he gets in big ass toruble "The supplements did it" cop out has been beat like a dead horse
I think Patrick Arnold had another supplement just last year that contained banned substances.
I wonder if Current supplement companies put money into this kind of research, incorporating banned substances and masking agents in supplements.
I have heard from a lot of people that the old ULTIMATE ORANGE used to contain some crazy things.
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I have heard that ERGOPHARM used to lace products. Isn`t he the guy responsible for inventing "the Clear"?
Stupid fucker..Ergopharm made an oral form of deca (NOR-andosteindiol) and testosterone (4-Androsteindiol) that were sold legally over the counter...If you took one of these prodcuts you would test positive for nandrolone and test
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I have heard that ERGOPHARM used to lace products. Isn`t he the guy responsible for inventing "the Clear"?
Yes, PA is responsible for inventing the clear...He going to be doing a few months in the pen starting in november...
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Good. This thread should remain on topic. Thanks Ron!
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Yes, PA is responsible for inventing the clear...He going to be doing a few months in the pen starting in november...
There was another one he had out,
Chemist's New Product Contains Hidden Substance
By Amy Shipley
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, May 8, 2006; Page E01
An Illinois chemist awaiting sentencing for his role in the biggest steroid scandal in U.S. history has for months been involved in marketing a dietary supplement containing a little-known amphetamine-like substance that would be undetectable in current sports drug tests, according to an analysis of the product for The Post.
Patrick Arnold, who in a recent plea deal admitted providing steroids to the drug ring that ensnared Barry Bonds and a number of other famous athletes, runs a company that has been selling the amphetamine-like compound over the Internet in a dietary supplement that describes the substance with the invented trademark name Geranamine.
Patrick Arnold has admitted designing a steroid for the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative. (By Jeff Chiu -- Associated Press)
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It is illegal to sell dietary supplements without listing the ingredients by their common or usual names, according to Robert Moore, the Food and Drug Administration's Team Leader in the Division of Dietary Supplement Programs.
The product, Ergopharm's Ergolean AMP, contains an obscure substance that was patented in 1944 and considered for use as an inhalant for nasal decongestion by Eli Lilly and Company. It is known as methylhexaneamine, according to Don Catlin, a noted researcher who analyzed the product and was reimbursed for the work by The Post.
"The chemical structure is similar to amphetamines and ephedrine," said Catlin, whose Los Angeles laboratory provides drug testing for Olympic sports, minor league baseball, the NFL and NCAA. "In this class of drugs, everything depends on the dose. Take enough of it and your heart rate and blood pressure will go up and you can die."
Amphetamines are illegal without a prescription. An official at one of Arnold's companies told The Post the substance was legal because it could be found in nature. Ephedrine, also found in nature, was banned from the dietary supplement market after Baltimore Orioles pitcher Steve Bechler in 2003 died after using it.
Stimulants have been abused by athletes for decades and were considered mainstays in Major League Baseball clubhouses, many players have said publicly, before baseball began a drug testing program in 2004. Because methylhexaneamine would not show up in standard drug screens -- though that will quickly change as soon as Catlin's discovery is publicized -- it could offer athletes in sports that test for stimulants such as ephedrine and amphetamines an alternative that would not produce a positive test.
Athletes have shown they are desperate for such shortcuts. A number of top track and field athletes, including burgeoning superstar Kelli White, were found in 2003 to be using modafinil, which is a prescription drug used to treat narcolepsy that also is in the amphetamines class. After testing positive for the drug under a strict testing code unique to France, White was forced to relinquish her 2003 world championship medals in the 100 and 200 meters. The drug later was banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency.
Companies that wish to market ingredients that have never before been sold in dietary supplements are required to notify the FDA before doing so and to provide information about the product's safety. The FDA has received no notification about methylhexaneamine from Ergopharm, an FDA spokesperson said. Companies are only exempted from this pre-market notification if the ingredient was marketed in a supplement before 1994 or has a history of use in the food supply.
AMP's label states that the product is a "proprietary blend" of Geranamine, theobroma cacau seed and caffeine. Geranamine has no scientific meaning, Catlin said. The trademark was applied for in January 2005 and is held by Proviant, Ergopharm's parent company. According to the trademark registration, Geranamine is a "constituent of flower oil sold as an integral component of nutritional supplements."
In response to an e-mail query directed to Arnold about methylhexaneamine's presence in AMP and the product's legality, Matthew Daniel, a research and development chemist at Proviant, said Geranamine was found in nature and therefore legal to market in a dietary supplement. He included a reference line to a Chinese research paper.
"Geranamine was found to be in geranium oil that was extracted from geranium plants," Daniel wrote in his only e-mail response. "It is a naturally occuring [sic] compound."
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So is ephedrine. Though it is legal to sell naturally occurring compounds in dietary supplements and ephedrine is found in plants, the FDA determined in 2001 that ephedrine produced synthetically could not be considered a legal dietary ingredient.
Daniel and Arnold did not respond to questions as to why methylhexaneamine was not specifically mentioned on the label. They also did not respond to a query about whether they notified the FDA before marketing the product or whether the methylhexaneamine was produced synthetically. The Post sent several e-mails to and left telephone messages with both.
Arnold's sales of the product provide further evidence of the difficulty of lawmakers' and sports officials' attempts to crack down on performance-enhancing drugs in sports. It also highlights the grave problems plaguing the dietary supplement industry since a 1994 act that was intended to make herbal remedies and vitamin products more readily available left the industry virtually unregulated.
The Post reported last fall that six designer steroids were being sold in dietary supplements. Several of the manufacturers discontinued the products, and the FDA issued several warning letters. The FDA oversees the industry, but it does not examine products before they go to market unless companies submit requests to market new dietary ingredients.
Methylhexaneamine is reminiscent of the first steroid Arnold admitted designing for the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (Balco), which federal authorities said provided performance-enhancing drugs to professional athletes in football, baseball and track and field. That steroid, known as norbolethone, also had been the subject of decades-old research, but when the research was abandoned, the substance effectively was forgotten. Because of its obscurity, it wasn't specifically banned when steroids were outlawed in the United States in 1990. Before the 2000 Summer Games in Sydney, Arnold resurrected it and distributed it secretly to athletes. Once federal authorities became aware of it, it was made illegal.
Arnold claims on the Ergopharm Web site that AMP gives dieters and athletes an alternative to ephedrine with fewer negative side effects. AMP has "adrenaline properties" and is "the most powerful weight tool you can purchase without a prescription," Arnold says on the site.
Ergopharm is a division of Proviant Technologies Inc., in Champaign, Ill., which manufactures bulk nutraceutical ingredients and provides contract manufacturing services, according to Ergopharm's Web site. Arnold, the founder of Ergopharm, is a vice president at Proviant. When reached by phone, Proviant's owner, Ramlakhan Boodram, declined an interview request.
The Post obtained a copy of the Chinese paper Daniel cited to defend the company's claim that Geranamine was a natural substance. The paper, which came from an engineering institute in Guiyang, China, claims that there are more than 40 constituents of geranium oil, and that methylhexaneamine is one of them, making up less than 1 percent of the substance (0.66 percent).
Besides the Chinese research paper, The Post could find no other modern research on methylhexaneamine. It was studied in the 1940s and 1950s. Catlin could not find any research indicating oral administration in humans. It is unclear whether the substance is toxic, addictive or has other harmful side effects. The 1944 patent states that methylhexaneamine has fewer side effects than amphetamines and ephedrine, but the FDA has not evaluated it.
"This stuff ought not be out there," Catlin said. "It's dangerous material."
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An athlete who tests positive for nandrolone will blame a tainted nutritional supplement.
Why not - it sounds good. Truth be told, most supplement companies are not going to spend extra money to put in something that is illegal for a quick jump in sales that may taint them forever in the future. It isnt worth the money to be spent on lawsuits, and claims.
That being said, there have been instances in which a supplement company has done that. Vitashots, aka Pharmagenx, which sold Ventilean, got in trouble. Here is a press release regarding it... which is why any athlete blames everybody else but themselves and the stuff they take..
OFFICE OF THE UNITED STATES ATTORNEY SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
San Diego, California
United States Attorney Carol C. Lam For
Further Information, Contact: Assistant U.S. Attorney Melanie K. Pierson (619) 557-5685
For Immediate Release
NEWS RELEASE SUMMARY - June 29, 2006
United States Attorney Carol C. Lam announced that a North County resident and his dietary supplement company pled guilty today in federal court in San Diego to misbranding a food product. Brian Rubach stated in court that he is the majority owner of a business known as Vitashots, Inc., located at 340 Rancheros Road in San Marcos, California.
Rubach admitted that during the period from approximately January 2003 through March 23, 2005, Vitashots marketed a dietary supplement called “Ventilean.” Ventilean was offered for sale at retail outlets throughoutthe United States and was distributed at trade shows for body builders. Ventilean was marketed as a product that could reduce body fat. In connection with his guilty plea, Rubach admitted that on or about June 2003, he began adding clenbuterol to batches of Ventilean, without disclosing the additional ingredient on the labeling of the product.
According to the Food and Drug Administration, Clenbuterol is a drug which is only approved for use in the United States to treat asthma in horses. Rubach acknowledged in court that by failing to disclose the presence of clenbuterol on the Ventilean labeling, he intended to mislead consumers of Ventilean into believing that the effects they received fromthe product were the result of a simple dietary supplement, rather than a powerful drug.
Rubach entered his guilty plea before United States Magistrate Judge Leo S. Papas, subject to final acceptance of the plea by United States District Court Judge Barry Ted Moskowitz. Rubach will appear before Judge Moskowitz on October 6, 2006, at 8:30 a.m. DEFENDANTS Criminal Case No. 06-CR-1272-BTM Brian Rubach Vitashots, Inc. SUMMARY OF CHARGE Misbranding, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 331(a) and 333(a)(2) Maximum Penalty: Three years in custody and/or $250,000 fine AGENCY Food and Drug Administration, Office of Criminal Investigations 2
And the punishment...
Supplement Company Owner Sentenced For Illegally Adding Drug
Owner Added Drugs To Products Without Listing Ingredients
POSTED: 11:09 am PDT October 20, 2006
SAN DIEGO -- The owner of a San Marcos dietary supplement company who added an illegal drug to a body-fat reducing product without listing the ingredient on the label was sentenced Friday to five months in federal prison.
Brian Rubach, the majority owner of Vitashots Inc., was also ordered by U.S. District Judge Barry Ted Moskowitz to do five months of home detention following his prison sentence. Rubach will also have to pay a $3,000 fine, and Vitashots was ordered to pay a fine of $69,500.
Both Rubach and the company pleaded guilty June 29 to misbranding a food product. Moskowitz said five months in custody for Rubach would be like a year in prison for other people. "I think he has accepted responsibility, completely," the judge said. "He's not the devil of misbranding."
Moskowitz said the mislabeling was a "serious matter" and Rubach's sentence should serve as a deterrent to others considering the same type of illegal behavior. "If you do this, you're going to jail," the judge said.
The defendant admitted that between January 2003 through March 2005, Vitashots marketed a dietary supplement called Ventilean, which was offered for sale at retail outlets throughout the United States and distributed at trade shows for bodybuilders.
In connection with his plea, Rubach admitted that on or about June 2003, he began adding Clenbuterol to batches of Ventilean without disclosing the additional ingredient on the labeling of the product. According to the Food and Drug Administration, Clenbuterol is a drug that is only approved for use in the United States to treat asthma in horses.
Rubach acknowledged that by failing to disclose the presence of Clenbuterol on the Ventilean labeling, he intended to mislead consumers of Ventilean into believing that the effects they received from the product were the result of a simple dietary supplement, rather than a powerful drug. Moskowitz ordered Rubach to self-surrender for custody on or before Jan. 5.
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Here is the AMP supplement Allegedly containing a banned substance.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ergo/amp.html
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Didn't Merriman's agent say that the supplement the guy had been taking was deca? Also, any supplement with too much caffeine will count toward supplements with banned substances since WADA doesn't allow more than a certain amount in your system.
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Why not - it sounds good. Truth be told, most supplement companies are not going to spend extra money to put in something that is illegal for a quick jump in sales that may taint them forever in the future. It isnt worth the money to be spent on lawsuits, and claims.
That being said, there have been instances in which a supplement company has done that. Vitashots, aka Pharmagenx, which sold Ventilean, got in trouble. Here is a press release regarding it... which is why any athlete blames everybody else but themselves and the stuff they take..
OFFICE OF THE UNITED STATES ATTORNEY SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
San Diego, California
United States Attorney Carol C. Lam For
Further Information, Contact: Assistant U.S. Attorney Melanie K. Pierson (619) 557-5685
For Immediate Release
NEWS RELEASE SUMMARY - June 29, 2006
United States Attorney Carol C. Lam announced that a North County resident and his dietary supplement company pled guilty today in federal court in San Diego to misbranding a food product. Brian Rubach stated in court that he is the majority owner of a business known as Vitashots, Inc., located at 340 Rancheros Road in San Marcos, California.
Rubach admitted that during the period from approximately January 2003 through March 23, 2005, Vitashots marketed a dietary supplement called “Ventilean.” Ventilean was offered for sale at retail outlets throughoutthe United States and was distributed at trade shows for body builders. Ventilean was marketed as a product that could reduce body fat. In connection with his guilty plea, Rubach admitted that on or about June 2003, he began adding clenbuterol to batches of Ventilean, without disclosing the additional ingredient on the labeling of the product.
According to the Food and Drug Administration, Clenbuterol is a drug which is only approved for use in the United States to treat asthma in horses. Rubach acknowledged in court that by failing to disclose the presence of clenbuterol on the Ventilean labeling, he intended to mislead consumers of Ventilean into believing that the effects they received fromthe product were the result of a simple dietary supplement, rather than a powerful drug.
Rubach entered his guilty plea before United States Magistrate Judge Leo S. Papas, subject to final acceptance of the plea by United States District Court Judge Barry Ted Moskowitz. Rubach will appear before Judge Moskowitz on October 6, 2006, at 8:30 a.m. DEFENDANTS Criminal Case No. 06-CR-1272-BTM Brian Rubach Vitashots, Inc. SUMMARY OF CHARGE Misbranding, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 331(a) and 333(a)(2) Maximum Penalty: Three years in custody and/or $250,000 fine AGENCY Food and Drug Administration, Office of Criminal Investigations 2
And the punishment...
Supplement Company Owner Sentenced For Illegally Adding Drug
Owner Added Drugs To Products Without Listing Ingredients
POSTED: 11:09 am PDT October 20, 2006
SAN DIEGO -- The owner of a San Marcos dietary supplement company who added an illegal drug to a body-fat reducing product without listing the ingredient on the label was sentenced Friday to five months in federal prison.
Brian Rubach, the majority owner of Vitashots Inc., was also ordered by U.S. District Judge Barry Ted Moskowitz to do five months of home detention following his prison sentence. Rubach will also have to pay a $3,000 fine, and Vitashots was ordered to pay a fine of $69,500.
Both Rubach and the company pleaded guilty June 29 to misbranding a food product. Moskowitz said five months in custody for Rubach would be like a year in prison for other people. "I think he has accepted responsibility, completely," the judge said. "He's not the devil of misbranding."
Moskowitz said the mislabeling was a "serious matter" and Rubach's sentence should serve as a deterrent to others considering the same type of illegal behavior. "If you do this, you're going to jail," the judge said.
The defendant admitted that between January 2003 through March 2005, Vitashots marketed a dietary supplement called Ventilean, which was offered for sale at retail outlets throughout the United States and distributed at trade shows for bodybuilders.
In connection with his plea, Rubach admitted that on or about June 2003, he began adding Clenbuterol to batches of Ventilean without disclosing the additional ingredient on the labeling of the product. According to the Food and Drug Administration, Clenbuterol is a drug that is only approved for use in the United States to treat asthma in horses.
Rubach acknowledged that by failing to disclose the presence of Clenbuterol on the Ventilean labeling, he intended to mislead consumers of Ventilean into believing that the effects they received from the product were the result of a simple dietary supplement, rather than a powerful drug. Moskowitz ordered Rubach to self-surrender for custody on or before Jan. 5.
Very interesting. I never saw anything about that.
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So this supplement had Clenbuterol in it?
(http://www.thegrillstoreandmore.com/image/products/big-pics/1527504b.jpg)
Do you think there are other supplements out there that do contain banned substance?
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Here is the AMP supplement Allegedly containing a banned substance.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ergo/amp.html
The active in Ergopharm amp is naturally occuring....And legal at the moment...
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You know what makes ame sick? I wanna see an athlete with balls. I wanna see a professional athlete stand up like a man and say " I am a professional athlete and in order to play at my maximum performace I used performance enhancing drugs, Im sorry, I will take the 4 game suspension". Instead these balless wonders insist on throwing the blame on somebody else. Why?
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So this supplement had Clenbuterol in it?
(http://www.thegrillstoreandmore.com/image/products/big-pics/1527504b.jpg)
Do you think there are other supplements out there that do contain banned substance?
The original formula was taken off the market over a year and half ago. Jeez for someone he thinks he knows everything, you are a dumb ass.
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You know what makes ame sick? I wanna see an athlete with balls. I wanna see a professional athlete stand up like a man and say " I am a professional athlete and in order to play at my maximum performace I used performance enhancing drugs, Im sorry, I will take the 4 game suspension". Instead these balless wonders insist on throwing the blame on somebody else. Why?
That would be awesome. If every caught athlete made the same statement, steroid use might actually become mainstream. If, in 1994, you had Shaq, MJ, barkley, and Magic Johnson stand up and say "Steroids, used carefully, contribute to the performances you enjoy watching", I wonder what the view of them would be today?
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TA - Posting articles by Amy Shipley is about as credible as those past "interviews" that showed Steve Reeves took steroids. There's A LOT of behind the scenes shit going on with Amy and the people she has it out for in the industry...
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Why not - it sounds good. Truth be told, most supplement companies are not going to spend extra money to put in something that is illegal for a quick jump in sales that may taint them forever in the future. It isnt worth the money to be spent on lawsuits, and claims.
I have to agree with Ron.
These assholes (merriman in this case) try to get away with shit. When they are caught, they don't man up and take it. They just blame it on everything and everyone else. it's never them that's the problem.
I swear, this morning while waiting for Football games to start, fucking Howie whats-his-name actually blamed the supplements and stated that they contained steroids........ ::)
Now, let me get this straight. Usually people here like Adonis and many others, will say that supps are shit and completely worthless. Yet, now they are laced with steroids or whatever..........so which is it?
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And what purpose does it serve to paste and click these articles? You conclusions are as stupid as your training methods and ideas regarding bodybuilding in any form.