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And this man wanted to be commander in chief?
GOP, Kerry launch war of words over Iraq comment
POSTED: 3:04 p.m. EST, October 31, 2006
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Republicans unleashed a firestorm of criticism Tuesday against Sen. John Kerry after the Vietnam veteran told college students they'd "get stuck in Iraq" if they didn't work hard in school.
Kerry later said the remark was a "botched joke" meant to target the president, not U.S. troops.
Before the clarification, White House press secretary Tony Snow, House Majority Leader John Boehner and Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, lambasted the four-term senator and demanded he apologize. (Watch Kerry's 'botched joke' that launched the political stink -- 1:50 )
A CNN poll suggests that Iraq is the second-most important issue behind the economy as voters ponder for whom to cast their ballots in next week's midterms.
"This is an absolute insult," Snow said at a daily press briefing. "Senator Kerry not only owes an apology to those who are serving, but also to the families of those who've given their lives in this."
Boehner said the remark was "insulting" and called on "Democrat candidates across the country" to publicly denounce the comment.
"These Americans who are risking their lives in the fight against terrorism in Iraq deserve better than to have their service demeaned by a United States senator," Boehner said in a statement. "Our soldiers need John Kerry's support, yet John Kerry offers nothing more than disparaging commentary."
Kerry, who is not up for re-election this year, fired back at the White House and GOP, saying he was not disparaging U.S. soldiers.
"If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy," he said. "No Democrat will be bullied by an administration that has a cut-and-run policy in Afghanistan and a stand-still-and-lose strategy in Iraq."
Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential candidate, spoke to students at Pasadena City College in California on Monday.
According to the San Gabriel Valley Tribune, the senator took the stage to roaring applause before regaling the crowd with one-liners, Bush barbs and tales of surfing at nearby Mission Beach.
He then said: "You know, education -- if you make the most of it, you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well.
"If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
A Kerry aide told CNN that the prepared statement, which had been designed to criticize President Bush, "was mangled in delivery."
Kerry was supposed to say, "I can't overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq."
Before the announcement that the statement was botched, McCain, a Vietnam veteran and former prisoner of war, joined his GOP colleagues in condemning the remark and demanding an apology.
"Senator Kerry owes an apology to the many thousands of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country's call because they are patriots and not because of any deficiencies in their education," McCain said in a statement.
U.S. troops "deserve our respect and deepest gratitude for their service," he added and said the notion that only those with poor educations serve in the Iraq "is an insult to every soldier serving in combat."
"Without them, we wouldn't live in a country where people securely possess all their God-given rights, including the right to express insensitive, ill-considered and uninformed remarks," McCain said.
But Kerry refused to relent, calling the criticism part of the "classic GOP playbook."
"I'm not going to be lectured by a stuffed-suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox's Parkinson's disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq."
He further expressed disgust with "Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country."
Kerry added that President Bush and Vice President Cheney "owe our troops an apology" because they "misled America into war."
Bush and Cheney "have given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of defeating it," the senator said.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/31/kerry.mccain/index.html
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Where would be the USA has not had stuck in? It stucks everywhere where it shows its nose.
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We did our thing already. What do we want to do? Occupy the country. If they have a civil way, let them. We should make sure that no more American lives are lost for a war that should of been over once we got rid of Saddam and made sure that Iraq had their own elections and army/police force in place. We cannot be the world's peace keepers. There will always be fighting in a country that has 3 separate religious groups who want nothing to do with each other than wipe the other off the face of the earth? Time to get out with before civil war makes it impossible to know the enemy from the friend. No WMD, no ruthless dictator. What more can we do?
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And this man wanted to be commander in chief?
GOP, Kerry launch war of words over Iraq comment
POSTED: 3:04 p.m. EST, October 31, 2006
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Republicans unleashed a firestorm of criticism Tuesday against Sen. John Kerry after the Vietnam veteran told college students they'd "get stuck in Iraq" if they didn't work hard in school.
Kerry later said the remark was a "botched joke" meant to target the president, not U.S. troops.
Before the clarification, White House press secretary Tony Snow, House Majority Leader John Boehner and Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, lambasted the four-term senator and demanded he apologize. (Watch Kerry's 'botched joke' that launched the political stink -- 1:50 )
A CNN poll suggests that Iraq is the second-most important issue behind the economy as voters ponder for whom to cast their ballots in next week's midterms.
"This is an absolute insult," Snow said at a daily press briefing. "Senator Kerry not only owes an apology to those who are serving, but also to the families of those who've given their lives in this."
Boehner said the remark was "insulting" and called on "Democrat candidates across the country" to publicly denounce the comment.
"These Americans who are risking their lives in the fight against terrorism in Iraq deserve better than to have their service demeaned by a United States senator," Boehner said in a statement. "Our soldiers need John Kerry's support, yet John Kerry offers nothing more than disparaging commentary."
Kerry, who is not up for re-election this year, fired back at the White House and GOP, saying he was not disparaging U.S. soldiers.
"If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy," he said. "No Democrat will be bullied by an administration that has a cut-and-run policy in Afghanistan and a stand-still-and-lose strategy in Iraq."
Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential candidate, spoke to students at Pasadena City College in California on Monday.
According to the San Gabriel Valley Tribune, the senator took the stage to roaring applause before regaling the crowd with one-liners, Bush barbs and tales of surfing at nearby Mission Beach.
He then said: "You know, education -- if you make the most of it, you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well.
"If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
A Kerry aide told CNN that the prepared statement, which had been designed to criticize President Bush, "was mangled in delivery."
Kerry was supposed to say, "I can't overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq."
Before the announcement that the statement was botched, McCain, a Vietnam veteran and former prisoner of war, joined his GOP colleagues in condemning the remark and demanding an apology.
"Senator Kerry owes an apology to the many thousands of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country's call because they are patriots and not because of any deficiencies in their education," McCain said in a statement.
U.S. troops "deserve our respect and deepest gratitude for their service," he added and said the notion that only those with poor educations serve in the Iraq "is an insult to every soldier serving in combat."
"Without them, we wouldn't live in a country where people securely possess all their God-given rights, including the right to express insensitive, ill-considered and uninformed remarks," McCain said.
But Kerry refused to relent, calling the criticism part of the "classic GOP playbook."
"I'm not going to be lectured by a stuffed-suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox's Parkinson's disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq."
He further expressed disgust with "Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country."
Kerry added that President Bush and Vice President Cheney "owe our troops an apology" because they "misled America into war."
Bush and Cheney "have given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of defeating it," the senator said.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/31/kerry.mccain/index.html
This is the typical thinking of the left
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Kerry = stone cold idiot.
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We did our thing already. What do we want to do? Occupy the country. If they have a civil way, let them. We should make sure that no more American lives are lost for a war that should of been over once we got rid of Saddam and made sure that Iraq had their own elections and army/police force in place. We cannot be the world's peace keepers. There will always be fighting in a country that has 3 separate religious groups who want nothing to do with each other than wipe the other off the face of the earth? Time to get out with before civil war makes it impossible to know the enemy from the friend. No WMD, no ruthless dictator. What more can we do?
if we left iraq right now it would be 100 times worse. iran would come in and take over. then there goes the oil. as everyone knows oil is the most important resource in the world and without it the us cannot function.
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if we left iraq right now it would be 100 times worse. iran would come in and take over. then there goes the oil. as everyone knows oil is the most important resource in the world and without it the us cannot function.
Well, no. Iran will just get rich off the oil. And we will pay.
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then there goes the oil. as everyone knows oil is the most important resource in the world and without it the us cannot function.
What does iraq oil have to do with the US?
We invaded to liberate them. Whether they have oil or shoelace factories should matter naught to us.
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I don't think Kerry meant to offend our troops.
These fucking war-mongering Republicans are attacking him left and right, but it's clearly obvious he was a taking a jab at Bush with the "stuck in Iraq" comment.
Kerry served in Vietnam himself. Why would a former solider throw his own under a bus like that?
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I am curious if there are any trends in class vs. enlistment.
Rich kids are just as likely to join the military and fight in iraq as poor children, right?
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I don't think Kerry meant to offend our troops.
Kerry served in Vietnam himself. Why would a former solider throw his own under a bus like that?
Bullshit, Kerry has a history since Vietnam of speaking against our troops, he knew exactly what he was saying. BTW, don't bring up Kerry fake war record, it's an insult to those who really fought!
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I just watched Kerry's comments. I'm appalled. He was absolutely saying uneducated dummies are the ones who get "stuck in Iraq." The fact he won't apologize is the height of arrogance. Thank God his is not president.
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I saw the complete opposite. To me, it was him trying to compose a joke on the stop, but it sat in the middle of questioning Bush and his admin's intelligence and having us stuck there. It would seem very odd for Kerry to suddenly leave the attack on bush and pull a random shot against our troops out of nowhere like that.
Most political pundits agree it was about Bush, also. (I watched 8 hours of them yesterday lol) The AP initially clarified it was about bush. Even right-wingers are on cable news saying "while he may have meant bush, why won't he apologize for those who were wrongly offended?"
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Who cares what the "pundits" think? I have my own opinion. It was a stupid comment. It displayed an alarming lack of judgment by a combat veteran, senator, and wanna-be commander in chief. You don't make those kinds of comments when you're a public figure and so-called leader AND when we have uneducated kids dying on foreign soil. >:( And what's worse than his comments is his refusal to apologize. An honorable man would just say "I'm sorry." He's apparently not smart enough to do that.
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Kerry = stone cold idiot.
Sadly, he's brilliant compared with Bush.
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i think John Kerry's comments were right on the money, he would make a fantastic president.
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Who cares what the "pundits" think? I have my own opinion. It was a stupid comment. It displayed an alarming lack of judgment by a combat veteran, senator, and wanna-be commander in chief. You don't make those kinds of comments when you're a public figure and so-called leader AND when we have uneducated kids dying on foreign soil. >:( And what's worse than his comments is his refusal to apologize. An honorable man would just say "I'm sorry." He's apparently not smart enough to do that.
Hey, every American is enetitled to their own opinion. I was merely pointing out that the talking heads who usually parrot Bush and parrot a far left are not doing that in this case. Bush/Snow got on the mics and acted deeply offended and seriously had a drama queen moment. The normally far-right guys like OReilly and Hannity didn't parrot that.
*IF* he apologized for something he didn't believe he said, what would happen? Would everyone let it die? Or would you have the same non-serving Bush/Snow shouting "See, he apologized, he DID say it, we were right!"
Either way, the probability is that Kerry probably DIDN'T mean the troops. I can't stand Kerry. I called him an idiot when I first heard the news but didn't hear the quote. So this certainly isn't a blind defense. His speech was bashing the intelligence and war planning of the Bush admin. His quote focused upon the lack of intelligence and poor war exit strategy of someone. My money says it was still about the Bush admin, as they were the target of his next sentence as well.
My point is that even the normal Bush parrots are not doing so on this one, even a week before the election. And truth be told, we've had a dozen October surprises, and the poll numbers haven't changed much. a top Dem could strangle a hooker this week or a top repub could spend a week at Neverland touching bottoms, and the results wouldn't change much. People have made up their minds. All they can do at this point is try to motivate with party base with emotion.
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Okay, Kerry has managed to confuse the issue even more this afternoon while I was at work. On one hand, he claims that the entire issue got engineered by "right-wing nut jobs", led by a "doughy Rush Limbaugh". Later this afternoon, though, he claimed the problem was a "mangled joke" that was supposed to slame George Bush.
Well, no. Kerry can't have it both ways. Either it's a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy or he botched the joke, but he can't seriously push the blame onto Republicans if he screwed it up and didn't bother to correct the record until later. Quite frankly, I'd be willing to buy this version -- few politicians could really be this stupid -- except that he has been this stupid on a number of occasions. He called American soldiers rapists and murderers in his Senate testimony in 1971, and just last year accused them of terrorizing Iraqi families on midnight raids for no reason.
But then, that's our John Kerry. He insulted the troops before he lauded them, and he was the victim of a smear before he botched his own prepared speech. And that Secret Service son of a bitch tripped him on that ski slope, too. It's a revealing moment for Kerry and anyone/everyone who rises to defend him, but honestly, it's not going to change anyone's mind about Kerry. We already knew this about him, and his lame excuse-making after his paranoid rantings have always been par for the course with J. Forbes. I doubt this will keep candidates from taking his contributions and shunning him on the stump, even though his behavior in the last 24 hours should at least embarrass the candidates working with him at the midterms
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I don't think Kerry meant to offend our troops.
These fucking war-mongering Republicans are attacking him left and right, but it's clearly obvious he was a taking a jab at Bush with the "stuck in Iraq" comment.
Kerry served in Vietnam himself. Why would a former solider throw his own under a bus like that?
throw his own under the bus?????? what do you think he has done on a number of occasions. He came back from vietnam and made a name for himself calling soldiers in vietnam rapists and murderors. He has called our troops in iraq the ones who are terrorizing civilians. There is a reason those who served with him don't support him one iota and say he is a phony.
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He came back from vietnam and made a name for himself calling soldiers in vietnam rapists and murderors.
Did any of our soldiers commit rape or murder over there?
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Sadly, he's brilliant compared with Bush.
FYI, Bush finished school with higher grades than both Kerry and AlGore!
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Hey, every American is enetitled to their own opinion.
Every American is not entitled to express his or own opinion in any way they choose. A public figure who can speak to the entire country, including our troops, has to be responsible with his or her comments. If you want to demean the troops, do it in the privacy of your house, not in front of a friggin camera.
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Every American is not entitled to express his or own opinion in any way they choose. A public figure who can speak to the entire country, including our troops, has to be responsible with his or her comments. If you want to demean the troops, do it in the privacy of your house, not in front of a friggin camera.
No.
Every American has the choice to say what he/she pleases. If kerry is stupid enough to put out statements like he did yesterday - malicious enough to offend or vague enough to invite offense - it's his right.
His "come-uppance" will come in the fact that he will be shit on by those in both parties, he will no longer be a viable 2008 candidate, and he will lose whatever credibility he had with troops.
A public figure can be anyone - Kerry, Bush, Mel Gibson, Rush Limbaugh, any actor, any overnight star, ANYONE. To say they HAVE to be responsible for their comments is wrong. Of course they SHOULD be more responsible. But they are Americans and have the same right as any of us nobodies to put uor foot in our mouths and suffer the consequences.
Oddly, your statement "Every American is not entitled to express his or own opinion in any way they choose." reeks of poor constitutional values.
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Quote from: pumpster on Today at 11:30:29 AM
Sadly, he's brilliant compared with Bush.
FYI, Bush finished school with higher grades than both Kerry and AlGore!
Which only proves how misleading a degree or good schooling can be. Neither necessarily equate with good judgement or savvy. Bush was not considered a good student, BTW.
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No.
Every American has the choice to say what he/she pleases. If kerry is stupid enough to put out statements like he did yesterday - malicious enough to offend or vague enough to invite offense - it's his right.
His "come-uppance" will come in the fact that he will be shit on by those in both parties, he will no longer be a viable 2008 candidate, and he will lose whatever credibility he had with troops.
A public figure can be anyone - Kerry, Bush, Mel Gibson, Rush Limbaugh, any actor, any overnight star, ANYONE. To say they HAVE to be responsible for their comments is wrong. Of course they SHOULD be more responsible. But they are Americans and have the same right as any of us nobodies to put uor foot in our mouths and suffer the consequences.
Oddly, your statement "Every American is not entitled to express his or own opinion in any way they choose." reeks of poor constitutional values.
What??? ??? This isn't a constitutional issue at all. It's about a public official who made a stupid comment and refuses to apologize for it.
This will actually be a good teaching tool for my kids. I've been working with my teenagers on being accountable and accepting responsibility, something Kerry has a problem with.
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What is lost in all this, what no one seems to point out, is that Bush had a 76 average at Yale while kerry finished with a 75. If Bush was being "intellectually lazy", which he probbaly was, what does that say about Kerry.
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The Kerry comment reflects the thinking of his era. When Kerry was in Vietnam, one way to avoid the draft was to go to college-- hence do well in school, go to college, and avoid Vietnam. The remark was probably directed towards President Bush, but it still reflects a poor grasp of reality. The reason his comment was ignorant is because the facts do not back up his claim. The American military is the most educated military in the world. 99% of enlisted troops have a high school education, most have some college experience and degrees. The majority of officers have Master's degrees. That is the most important piece of information to take away from his comment. These are the guys "stuck in Iraq."
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Democrats are condemning Kerry's comments too:
Among the Democrats joining the chorus critical of Kerry's comment was potential 2008 presidential rival New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, who, while stopping short of demanding an apology, called Kerry's comments "inappropriate."
"I think elections are about the future," Clinton told reporters at an event for military families in New York. "No one wants see us re-fight the 2004 election. ...What Senator Kerry said was inappropriate."
Kerry's "inappropriate" comment came during a campaign appearance Monday in California at Pasadena City College. He told students if they make the most of their educations, "you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well.
"And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq," he said, a comment that touched off a political firestorm of criticism that has yet to die down.
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Other Democrats, meanwhile, joined the call for a Kerry apology, with one — Senate hopeful Jon Tester of Montana — not pulling his punches.
"Senator Kerry's remarks were poorly worded and just plain stupid," said Tester, the Montana Senate president trying to unseat GOP Sen. Conrad Burns. "He owes our troops and their families an apology."
North Carolina Democratic Party Chairman Jerry Meek said Democrats should "absolutely disassociate ourselves from any criticism of our troops, misunderstood or otherwise."
Tennessee Senate hopeful Rep. Harold Ford Jr., who received a campaign visit Wednesday from former President Bill Clinton, was first to come forward and lead the Democratic call for Kerry to apologize.
"Whatever the intent, Senator Kerry was wrong to say what he said," Ford told reporters. "He needs to apologize to our troops."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,226584,00.html
Bravo!
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What??? ??? This isn't a constitutional issue at all. It's about a public official who made a stupid comment and refuses to apologize for it.
I agree. You made it one when you tried to remove his first amendment rifghts by saying: "Every American is not entitled to express his or own opinion in any way they choose. "
This will actually be a good teaching tool for my kids. I've been working with my teenagers on being accountable and accepting responsibility, something Kerry has a problem with.
I'm all for that. While I believe he was insulting Bush, who knows, maybe he was insulting the system which feeds poor kids to iraqi bullets to keep the US oil coffers filled.
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I agree. You made it one when you tried to remove his first amendment rifghts by saying: "Every American is not entitled to express his or own opinion in any way they choose. "
There is no absolute right to say whatever you want, wherever you want. There are time, place, and manner restrictions and the First Amendment does not apply unless the government is trying to regulate speech.
In any event, this ain't a First Amendment issue and I don't really want to debate the First Amendment with you. I was talking about judgment and responsibility. But we're going around in circles . . . .
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There are time, place, and manner restrictions and the First Amendment does not apply unless the government is trying to regulate speech.
Based upon the law? Or just societal/cultural norms?
What times does the 1st amendment not apply?
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Based upon the law? Or just societal/cultural norms?
What times does the 1st amendment not apply?
Based on the First Amendment. "Societal/cultural norms" can influence how the First Amendment is interpreted. For example, "fighting words" are not protected speech.
I said it doesn't apply unless the government is trying to regulate speech. That's pretty broad.
As for examples of time, place, and manner restrictions, try yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. The next time you fly, tell the flight attendant that "the airline really sucks and someone should blow up the plane." Pen an op ed piece for your local paper saying the president should be assassinated. There are numerous other examples.
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Based on the First Amendment. "Societal/cultural norms" can influence how the First Amendment is interpreted. For example, "fighting words" are not protected speech.
I said it doesn't apply unless the government is trying to regulate speech. That's pretty broad.
As for examples of time, place, and manner restrictions, try yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. The next time you fly, tell the flight attendant that "the airline really sucks and someone should blow up the plane." Pen an op ed piece for your local paper saying the president should be assassinated. There are numerous other examples.
If you yell "fire" in a crowded theater or your words incite a riot that cuases damage or injuries then your freedom of speech rights aren't applicable.
But if you voice your opinion about soldiers in Iraq, regardless of you being a public figure, you are well with in your freedom fo speech rights to do so. What consequences result for you politically is your own problem.
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If you yell "fire" in a crowded theater or your words incite a riot that cuases damage or injuries then your freedom of speech rights aren't applicable.
But if you voice your opinion about soldiers in Iraq, regardless of you being a public figure, you are well with in your freedom fo speech rights to do so. What consequences result for you politically is your own problem.
Kerry isn't exercising free speech rights, because the First Amendment doesn't apply to his comments. The government isn't trying to regulate his comments. I think many of the people condemning his comments (or least one fool sitting on a rock in middle of the ocean) believe (1) he shouldn't have made the comments in the first place; (2) public officials have to exercise good judgment when speaking to the public; and (3) when you make a mistake, which we all do, accept responsibility and try and make it right.
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Kerry isn't exercising free speech rights, because the First Amendment doesn't apply to his comments. The government isn't trying to regulate his comments. I think many of the people condemning his comments (or least one fool sitting on a rock in middle of the ocean) believe (1) he shouldn't have made the comments in the first place; (2) public officials have to exercise good judgment when speaking to the public; and (3) when you make a mistake, which we all do, accept responsibility and try and make it right.
I agree. As a public official he has to face the consequences of his actions. But he still can say what ever he wants. He's just likely to lose his job as a result. And he should.
That was a career changing mistake.
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Kerry isn't exercising free speech rights, because the First Amendment doesn't apply to his comments. The government isn't trying to regulate his comments. I think many of the people condemning his comments (or least one fool sitting on a rock in middle of the ocean) believe (1) he shouldn't have made the comments in the first place; (2) public officials have to exercise good judgment when speaking to the public; and (3) when you make a mistake, which we all do, accept responsibility and try and make it right.
Everyone agrees he's an idiot for saying that, no matter what his intentions were.
But it's his first amendment right to say anything he pleases on the mic.
he might shoot himself in the foot, destroy his own career (although this will blow over, these things always do), he might violate party ethics rules, whatever. But it's his right.
Noteworthy is the fact that even if Kerry is getting beaten down, the topic has not changed. The war on iraq is still the issue in the forefront. And that benefits one party far more than the other. Plus since polls show that nothing has changed in voters' eyes in the last two weeks despite the monster october surprises from both sides, none of this shit matters.
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He apologized. That's good.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,226820,00.html
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He apologized. That's good.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,226820,00.html
I think only cause he was forced too. ::)
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I think only cause he was forced too. ::)
I agree...plus it's a little to late now!
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I think only cause he was forced too. ::)
True. He's still an idiot, but I would have an even lower opinion of him if didn't apologize.
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True. He's still an idiot, but I would have an even lower opinion of him if didn't apologize.
I'm not so sure i do. His apology only shows me he crumbled under pressure to save his political career. Personally, even if i don;t agree with him, holding to his statements and standing by them is more respectable. To me he's no different than any other political wiesel.
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He apoligized on his website not in a public forum!
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He apoligized on his website not in a public forum!
Yeah............. but now a days, a website, is kind of the same thing.
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Wow... 2 days of the republican's main issue being kerry? I thought they said dems didn't have any issues ::) I guess seeing them drop in the polls again shows what America thinks of two days of Kerry while all this other important stuff is going on... republicans... Kerry/gaymarriage/flagburning.... jeez... losers.
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Wow... 2 days of the republican's main issue being kerry? I thought they said dems didn't have any issues ::)
Yeah, 2 days with 5 to go....Kerry's got great timeing as usual, if it was like 60 or even 30 days out his people MIGHT be able to do some damage control, but 5 days.....he REALLY fucked up!!