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Title: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The Squadfather on October 31, 2006, 05:02:28 PM
hahahaha, he said today, "you stay in school and study you'll do fine, if you don't you end up in Iraq", i totally agree, discuss.
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on October 31, 2006, 05:18:16 PM
after viewing the clip...

he is bashing bush before the comment.
he is bashing bush after the comment.

It really appears that he was referring to Bush getting us 'stuck' in iraq.  It would be odd for him to immediately move from bashing bush to insulting 140k soldiers, back to bush without missing a beat.

it wasn't the smoothest speech, and I can't stand kerry one bit, but objectively speaking, he was talking about bush, not the troops.
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on October 31, 2006, 05:53:03 PM
hahahaha, he said today, "you stay in school and study you'll do fine, if you don't you end up in Iraq", i totally agree, discuss.

Discuss what, that you're just as big of an idiot as Kerry and you don't deserve to be in MY country you treasonist liberal prick >:(!
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on October 31, 2006, 05:56:39 PM
Kerry was insulting Bush for being stupid.

Bush isn't as dumb as some give him credit for, nor is he as bright as some say.

It came out wrong.  The very fact that people are debating what he meant, shows that nothing is clear about what he said.  Kerry is a douche, sure.  but based upon the context, he was indeed insulting Bush.
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Purge_WTF on October 31, 2006, 06:06:42 PM
Discuss what, that you're just as big of an idiot as Kerry and you don't deserve to be in MY country you treasonist liberal prick >:(!

  Want a PB&J sannich to go with that Kool-Aid, f*ggot?
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on October 31, 2006, 06:10:03 PM
Kerry was insulting Bush for being stupid.

Bush isn't as dumb as some give him credit for, nor is he as bright as some say.

It came out wrong.  The very fact that people are debating what he meant, shows that nothing is clear about what he said.  Kerry is a douche, sure.  but based upon the context, he was indeed insulting Bush.

If it came out wrong then he should apologize, but since he REFUSED to apologized it just leaves me and others to think that he intentionally said it.

BTW, lets not forget that Dubya had a higher GPA than Kerry and Gore, seems no one whats to bring that up!!
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on October 31, 2006, 06:11:16 PM
  Want a PB&J sannich to go with that Kool-Aid, f*ggot?

Look who talking, your boy just screwed up ANOTHER election for you clowns..AAAaaaaahahahaha hahahaah!!
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The Squadfather on October 31, 2006, 06:21:59 PM
Discuss what, that you're just as big of an idiot as Kerry and you don't deserve to be in MY country you treasonist liberal prick >:(!
hahahaha, "my country", this coming from a 5'6" mexican.
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on October 31, 2006, 06:24:42 PM
If it came out wrong then he should apologize, but since he REFUSED to apologized it just leaves me and others to think that he intentionally said it.

BTW, lets not forget that Dubya had a higher GPA than Kerry and Gore, seems no one whats to bring that up!!

The alternative point of view, is that if he apologized, he would have to admit he misspoke.

If indeed, his entire speech was only bashing bush, and he feels he has nothing to apologize for, apologizing would only hurt him.

I can't stand the guy... but it's clear to me that he was bashing Bush.  he mentioned nothing about soldiers.  The entire speech was about how Bush's ignorance had gotten us stuck in Iraq.  his line about not studying, then getting stuck in iraq, when you look at the context, points at Bush.
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on October 31, 2006, 06:31:27 PM
hahahaha, "my country", this coming from a 5'6" mexican.

'The Squadfather" oh brother ::)..what a fag!!
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on October 31, 2006, 06:33:12 PM
The alternative point of view, is that if he apologized, he would have to admit he misspoke.

If indeed, his entire speech was only bashing bush, and he feels he has nothing to apologize for, apologizing would only hurt him.

I can't stand the guy... but it's clear to me that he was bashing Bush.  he mentioned nothing about soldiers.  The entire speech was about how Bush's ignorance had gotten us stuck in Iraq.  his line about not studying, then getting stuck in iraq, when you look at the context, points at Bush.

Rob, he did misspeak and it was obvious!!
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 31, 2006, 08:00:38 PM
Discuss what, that you're just as big of an idiot as Kerry and you don't deserve to be in MY country you treasonist liberal prick >:(!
That's about it you mother fucker... Keep telling people they don't deserve to be in your country and see what happens... Go ahead, do it one more fucking time prick...
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on October 31, 2006, 08:02:23 PM
That's about it you mother fucker... Keep telling people they don't deserve to be in your country and see what happens... Go ahead, do it one more fucking time prick...

And what?
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 31, 2006, 08:04:18 PM
And what?
Do it... just keep doing it tinyguy...
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on October 31, 2006, 08:05:22 PM
That's about it you mother fucker... Keep telling people they don't deserve to be in your country and see what happens... Go ahead, do it one more fucking time prick...

Listen asshole...they speak out against our troops, our President, our Government and our country, if they don't like they can GET THE FUCK OUT!!
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 31, 2006, 08:09:17 PM
Listen asshole...they speak out against our troops, our President, our Government and our country, if they don't like they can GET THE f**k OUT!!
oh I'm listening you little fucking migit...
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 31, 2006, 08:48:20 PM
OK.... It's on... Bring both your braincells bitch ;D
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on October 31, 2006, 08:50:58 PM
Listen asshole...they speak out against our troops, our President, our Government and our country, if they don't like they can GET THE f**k OUT!!

HAHAHAHAH, Berserker and Kerry have both served.

The Bush Administration probably has a position for a man like you Mr.I... HAHAH
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: kh300 on October 31, 2006, 09:50:16 PM
i guess the jokes on kerry because bush had higher grades in college than he did
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 31, 2006, 09:59:46 PM
i guess the jokes on kerry because bush had higher grades in college than he did
I don't give a fuck about Kerry, but you're delusional if you think Bush didn't cheat his way through...  If he didn't, he killed a lot of brain cells with his little coke habit
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Post by: KTMckay on October 31, 2006, 10:48:24 PM
'The Squadfather" oh brother ::)..what a fag!!
lol
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on October 31, 2006, 11:02:34 PM
I don't give a f**k about Kerry, but you're delusional if you think Bush didn't cheat his way through...  If he didn't, he killed a lot of brain cells with his little coke habit

Nice spin..."ah ah er ah....yeah, well..Bush killed alot of brain cells..so there" Na na nanana ::)!!
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 31, 2006, 11:03:22 PM
Nice spin..."ah ah er ah....yeah, well..Bush killed alot of brain cells..so there" Na na nanana ::)!!
Came in to drop your one liner and run i see :D
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: pumpster on November 01, 2006, 04:48:57 AM
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Bush isn't as dumb as some give him credit for, nor is he as bright as some say.
Who's been saying he's bright?

Kerry had his chance in the last election, and blew it. Took several weeks vacation in the summer during a crucial period in which negative comments about him stuck. Game over; find someone else who can carry the ball without fumbling.
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 01, 2006, 05:17:57 AM
Who's been saying he's bright?

Kerry had his chance in the last election, and blew it. Took several weeks vacation in the summer during a crucial period in which negative comments about him stuck. Game over; find someone else who can carry the ball without fumbling.

D'OH! ;D
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 01, 2006, 05:52:52 AM
"Sen. Kerry may have botched the line, but what he said was insulting to the troops, and what he ought to say is, 'Look, I botched the line, but I'm sorry for giving offense,' " press secretary Tony Snow said...

WHO THE f**k TALKS LIKE THAT??? "Botched the line"  huh?  no  he didn't just cross it... he screwed up the actual line... ::) WHAT ::)

Remember when he said he didn't want to "hug the tar baby"  ::)

Tony Snow... Real class act ::)
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 01, 2006, 06:03:15 AM
As for Kerry, he's dong his good skull and bones duty... fuck him. 
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Butterbean on November 01, 2006, 06:21:56 AM
When I think of John Kerry I hear Cypress Hill in the background :-\
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on November 01, 2006, 07:50:15 AM
Who's been saying he's bright?

Kerry had his chance in the last election, and blew it. Took several weeks vacation in the summer during a crucial period in which negative comments about him stuck. Game over; find someone else who can carry the ball without fumbling.

I believe he was forced to hide 9/11 from us, but I do not think he is a stupid man.  I think he, internally, is a good man, and I think he suffers every day over 9/11.  When he was asked right after 911 what he felt in his soul about 911, he responded "I'm a good man..." and said some unusual things which pointed at guilt.  I think he has some mental baggage, to put it nicely, from reading Cheney's speeches and shouting what he is told to shout. 
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: JPM on November 01, 2006, 08:42:33 AM
Kerry always seems to give away his arrogant and condescending nature one way or another. A prime example of his blue blood, big money elitist attitude. But really not a man of any great mental note. That current quote was written on the script he held, so it's wasn't a off the cuff remark. He, or someone else, planned it to be said. Intended to be a slight to Bush, it became a disrespectfull and degrading statement on the U.S. military. Suggesting that only the useless, stupid and hopeless need apply for service. This from a man who keep's reminding, over and over again, about his combat service in Viet Nam. That would be three month's on a swift boat. He did gather three Purple Hearts, two of which have been suggested as self-inflected. We must understand that when in a war zone, even a accidental cut of the hand would qualify for a Purple Heart citation. Not demeaning the award, only explaing the bases of it. The thing is, is that Kerry mustered out of the Navy and  went before congress/senate (can't remembe which) and denounced the U.S. troops as baby killers, rapist and guilty of mass murder against civilians.

Now we will have a test of Kerry's  character, or lack of it, to see if he will apologize for his remarks about the men and women troops currently overthere in Iraq. Rather than another one of his arrogant statements that he will never apologize. His recent spin on things is very weak indeed.

Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on November 01, 2006, 09:00:16 AM
I believe he was forced to hide 9/11 from us, but I do not think he is a stupid man.  I think he, internally, is a good man, and I think he suffers every day over 9/11.  When he was asked right after 911 what he felt in his soul about 911, he responded "I'm a good man..." and said some unusual things which pointed at guilt.  I think he has some mental baggage, to put it nicely, from reading Cheney's speeches and shouting what he is told to shout. 

Jeez, enough with the 9/11 BS, it's not holding any weight...at all. Don't you think if there was a shread of credibility to these conspiracy therories the Dems would be all over the Republicans trying to discredit them and calling them out on it?????
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on November 01, 2006, 09:15:50 AM
Jeez, enough with the 9/11 BS, it's not holding any weight...at all. Don't you think if there was a shread of credibility to these conspiracy therories the Dems would be all over the Republicans trying to discredit them and calling them out on it?????

9/11 was not *assisted* by the republicans.  It was assisted by a group of military spenders known as the military industrial complex.  It was carried out by Al Quida, but a small cabal of men here assisted them by planting explosives in the towers and stopping NORAD from shoting down the planes as is standard policy.

9/11 would have happened if the dems had been in office as well.   it's hard to explain, but Bush and Kerry are both of the same *group*.  While they tear each other up in teh media, privately they are both employees of the same larger group. 

Most in govt know it was an inside job.  Most in media will not touch the topic, even though on the internet it's a HUGE topic.  9/11 needed to occur to sustain US aggression overseas so taht we can continue our standard of life.  Without it, there would be no Afghanistan, no iraq, and whoever is next.  Sadaam would be holding HIS oil over our heads, and we cna't have that.

911 is what it is.  An inside job that was needed to sustain our way of life.
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Post by: Mr. Intenseone on November 01, 2006, 09:24:57 AM
9/11 was not *assisted* by the republicans. 


Rob, I'm not going to find every thread you wrote, but you have made numerous accusations aimed at the President, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rice...basically the entire republican cabinet saying that they conspired to 9/11!
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Post by: 240 is Back on November 01, 2006, 09:42:18 AM
Rob, I'm not going to find every thread you wrote, but you have made numerous accusations aimed at the President, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rice...basically the entire republican cabinet saying that they conspired to 9/11!

Yep.  In the same way that Kerry'ss staff would have been conducting those duties had they been in power on 9/11. 

The war infrastructure and economic backing for 9/11 started over a year before the attacks.  This is why I would like to see a new 911 investigation.  Bush and company didn't control things that day, and getting them on the stand would be a way to point the fingers.  There were some serious things admitted after 911- like Condi/Ari Fleisher confirming inside threats on Air Force One - which were denied later.  Condi doesn't go on TV and say that "Yes, there was a threat on AF1 using current daily codewords that only inside personnel would know" unless it's true.  The fact that it was later scrubbed speaks volumes.

9/11 was a military op.  Not a white house op. 
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Camel Jockey on November 01, 2006, 11:01:39 AM
Rob, he did misspeak and it was obvious!!

Idiots like you know he was taking a jab at Bush, yet you still say he was attacking the troops.  ::) People should not be held liable for misspeaking if dumbasses like you can't understand!
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Post by: pumpster on November 01, 2006, 11:10:53 AM
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People should not be held liable for misspeaking if dumbasses like you can't understand!
This thread's ample proof that it was an unnecessary distraction.

The silver lining is that it removes any opportunity of him being renominated.
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on November 01, 2006, 11:11:25 AM
Idiots like you know he was taking a jab at Bush, yet you still say he was attacking the troops.  ::) People should not be held liable for misspeaking if dumbasses like you can't understand!

Hey numb nuts....he's had a history of talking down to the troops since Vietnam, it ain't nothing new with him!
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Post by: Oblique on November 02, 2006, 12:33:12 AM
One of the most hilarious things about this guy is that he's done little more than marry money.

He's a f**king gigolo, albeit an ugly one.

He was a joke as a lawyer and he's done nothing as a senator. He wants to talk about education? What would he do if he couldn't marry old skanks with dough? ::)


Separated at birth? ???
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j162/DarthH/lurch-kerry.jpg)
"You raaaaaaaaaaaaang?"

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Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 02, 2006, 12:56:21 AM
One of the most hilarious things about this guy is that he's done little more than marry money.

He's a f**king gigolo, albeit an ugly one.

He was a joke as a lawyer and he's done nothing as a senator. He wants to talk about education? What would he do if he couldn't marry old skanks with dough? ::)


Separated at birth? ???
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j162/DarthH/lurch-kerry.jpg)
"You raaaaaaaaaaaaang?"



I don't give a fuck what he looks like... I'll vote for a turd if he does a good job as president... If people made fun of Lincoln's ugly ass,.... yea... right huh... I find it oddly suspicious that Kerry would open his mouth in the homestretch... Kerry is doing his job... called in favors as he promissed... He'll get his rewards down the road... at a price... He'll probably run... and win.... and the cycle of divide and rule will continue but now his task is that of a saboteur and dog molester... ok maybe not dog molester but I just tossed that in because I hate the jackass ;D He's a backstabber through and through period....

(http://img81.echo.cx/img81/8325/2linport0eh.jpg)
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Post by: pumpster on November 02, 2006, 03:29:14 AM
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He'll get his rewards down the road... at a price... He'll probably run... and win....
Quite the opposite; he's just killed his chances while hurting the party overall. The upside: no further danger of that coarse wife of his ever being first lady.
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Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 02, 2006, 03:54:45 AM
Quite the opposite; he's just killed his chances while hurting the party overall. The upside: no further danger of that coarse wife of his ever being first lady.
I hear you, but gotta say..... as if people remember what happened last month ::)  I don't pretend to know what's going on 100%... but something stinks with Kerry period... He blew the presidency, no challenge no fight despite a flood of testimony coming in that it was fixed... He conceded right away.... Now he shows up days before the election where the republicans are in some trouble and spits this shit out ::)  skull and bones... skull and bones..... these people all have a career of getting and giving favors, that much is a fact... It's also a fact that Kerry still swears his allegiance pubically to that system...  I personally think the only group the president should be sworn to is the people... That puts both Kerry and Bush as bullshit choices for president...
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Post by: Dos Equis on November 02, 2006, 08:00:18 AM
Quite the opposite; he's just killed his chances while hurting the party overall. The upside: no further danger of that coarse wife of his ever being first lady.

I agree.  I don't think he has a snowball's chance. 
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 02, 2006, 08:05:28 AM
I agree.  I don't think he has a snowball's chance. 
please be right please be right please be right
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Post by: bmacsys on November 02, 2006, 08:21:06 AM
I believe he was forced to hide 9/11 from us, but I do not think he is a stupid man.  I think he, internally, is a good man, and I think he suffers every day over 9/11.  When he was asked right after 911 what he felt in his soul about 911, he responded "I'm a good man..." and said some unusual things which pointed at guilt.  I think he has some mental baggage, to put it nicely, from reading Cheney's speeches and shouting what he is told to shout. 


Ok 240, now your a ametuer head shrinker?
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: bmacsys on November 02, 2006, 08:25:33 AM
9/11 was not *assisted* by the republicans.  It was assisted by a group of military spenders known as the military industrial complex.  It was carried out by Al Quida, but a small cabal of men here assisted them by planting explosives in the towers and stopping NORAD from shoting down the planes as is standard policy.



So these so called conspirators planned, collaborated and conducted a joint mission with the Al Quaida guys that day? Seems extremely far fetched.
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Post by: Cavalier22 on November 02, 2006, 08:35:57 AM
so you think kerry really won 2004, and then just conceded instead of fighting it. give me a break
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Post by: bmacsys on November 02, 2006, 08:36:34 AM
please be right please be right please be right

If either Kerry or Gore run they will lose. I don't think either, especially Kerry have any shot.
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Post by: pumpster on November 02, 2006, 08:43:10 AM
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If either Kerry or Gore run they will lose. I don't think either, especially Kerry have any shot.
Thanks to Bush whoever wins the Democratic nomination immediately has the inside track. Even flawed candidates like Clinton, Kerry or Gore.
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on November 02, 2006, 09:24:19 AM
So these so called conspirators planned, collaborated and conducted a joint mission with the Al Quaida guys that day? Seems extremely far fetched.

Why?

We know that the CIA funded the mujahadeen from the late 80s on, in their battle against thee russians, and that al Q was born of US dollars, intel, weapons and trianing as a young OBL won over the ruskies.

We know that the CIA ties with OBL continued via the ISS (paki intel) for funding.  We know that any mention of the ISS' director's 100k wiring to Atta the days before the attacks was actually deleted from white house records, right?  The fucking name was heard on CNN and CSPAn, then on official WH transcripts and audio tapes, there was an 'inaudible' there.  Please don't defend that kind of obvious deletion.

OBL is a fucking idiot dreamer.  He and his host of dishwasher idiots did not have the mental capacity or raw ability to fly those planes, order norad down, or bring those buildings down.  They were patsies.  PATSIES.  They look the part, they believe in what they're doing, and they are blamed for attack actions far beyond their actual ability.

It's not farfetched, BB.  It's the sad fucking truth.  The govt outsources terrorist actions to Al Q via paki $. 
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Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 02, 2006, 09:35:13 AM
so you think kerry really won 2004, and then just conceded instead of fighting it. give me a break
Well you didn't quote but if you're talking to me, I didn't say that.  I said he conceded right away despite information coming in that suggested foul play... bigtime...  Focus on conceded right away...
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Post by: Dos Equis on November 02, 2006, 09:38:57 AM
Thanks to Bush whoever wins the Democratic nomination immediately has the inside track. Even flawed candidates like Clinton, Kerry or Gore.

You mean like 2004?   :-\ 
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on November 02, 2006, 09:41:55 AM
so you think kerry really won 2004, and then just conceded instead of fighting it. give me a break

Same damn reason why kerry miraculously bucked the trend in Iowa and spanked a howard Dean who had a huge poll advantage then suddenly dropped 25 points the hour before the election. 

They are both fucking cheaters.
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Post by: pumpster on November 02, 2006, 09:43:53 AM
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You mean like 2004?
Unfortunately there's a lag that will register next week and in two years.
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Post by: Dos Equis on November 02, 2006, 09:47:00 AM
There's a lag that will register next week and in two years.

I doubt it.  Republicans are definitely vulnerable, but the Democrats have a history of putting lousy candidates at the top of the ticket.  They will probably lay another egg by putting Hillary out front in 08. 
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Post by: leycus 101 on November 02, 2006, 09:55:56 AM
Its all good, kerry's just hurting his parties chances of winning.... At least
for angeleties ( however his name is spelled)
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Post by: pumpster on November 02, 2006, 10:00:00 AM
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I doubt it.  Republicans are definitely vulnerable, but the Democrats have a history of putting lousy candidates at the top of the ticket.  They will probably lay another egg by putting Hillary out front in 08.
I doubt it. When a party's in this much trouble the alternative is in with virtually any sane candidate.
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Post by: Dos Equis on November 02, 2006, 10:50:32 AM
I doubt it. When a party's in this much trouble the alternative is in with virtually any sane candidate.

I'm not so sure.  Bush was one of the weakest presidential candidates in years.  The Democrats countered this by nominating Gore and Kerry. 

I don't think Hillary can win a national election.  Swing voters (like me) will never vote for her.  Now, if they wise up and put someone like John Edwards at the top of the ticket, things could get very interesting. 
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: pumpster on November 02, 2006, 11:22:19 AM
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I'm not so sure.  Bush was one of the weakest presidential candidates in years.  The Democrats countered this by nominating Gore and Kerry. 
As already mentioned, there's a lag. For the last election the Republicans were able to get out much of their core conservative constituents. Now even that base has eroded; that's the difference.
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Dos Equis on November 02, 2006, 11:26:05 AM
As already mentioned, there's a lag. For the last election the Republicans were able to get out much of their core conservative constituents. Now even that base has eroded; that's the difference.

That is true, but few things energize the base like a polarizing candidate on the opposing side (like Hillary). 
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on November 02, 2006, 11:30:09 AM
As already mentioned, there's a lag. For the last election the Republicans were able to get out much of their core conservative constituents. Now even that base has eroded; that's the difference.

True.  many of these core conservatives are pissed about -

1) Loss of constitional rights.  Repubs love their freedoms, and the Patriot act and Military commissions act have indeed removed rights.

2) Dead soldiers.  No matter how you feel about social issues, for there to be 2700+ dead American soldiers, there had better be a pretty damn good reason.  WMD fell thru.  Liberation off Iraqis? Done.  Freely elected govt? Done.  We never signed up for refereeing a civil war, tho.

3) 911.  There are now dozens of independent documentaries out there, completed by moderate repubs who love their country, about the very strong possibility that 911 was an inside job.  Educated people know that self-attacks are done by many nations.  but when we see it was done by ours, we feel gullible, and pissed.


Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: pumpster on November 02, 2006, 11:49:39 AM
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That is true, but few things energize the base like a polarizing candidate on the opposing side (like Hillary).
Do you realize you're inflexible, can't concede even on the obvious?  ;D
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Dos Equis on November 02, 2006, 12:10:31 PM
Do you realize you're inflexible, can't concede even on the obvious?  ;D

Dude, I just agreed with you. 
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Cavalier22 on November 02, 2006, 02:15:56 PM
240

when your discussing politics and core conservative values, please leave out 911 conspiracy theories. they dont hold any weight in affecting national elections
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on November 02, 2006, 02:22:20 PM
240

when your discussing politics and core conservative values, please leave out 911 conspiracy theories. they dont hold any weight in affecting national elections

I believe you are wrong.

many of the people voting Dem this time are moderate repubs who are so pissed after finding out about 9/11 that they will not give their vote to a Bush buddy again.

And this 9/11 "conspiracy" you speak of - that would be the one where WTC7 falls from small fires and NORAD can't find catch planes flying hijacked for 90 minutes, right? ;)
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Camel Jockey on November 02, 2006, 04:37:34 PM
Hey numb nuts....he's had a history of talking down to the troops since Vietnam, it ain't nothing new with him!

He fucking served in Vietnam, dumbass. He knew what went down better than anyone! If US troops did shit they shouldn't of done, then why is Kerry wrong to point out those wrongs?

Why are you bringing up Vietnam? Any retard knows he was insulting Bush and not the troops. People like you and your party are running this country into the fucking ground and making Americans worse off in the long run, so that's why you are trying to jump all over Kerry cuz you don't have answers for the real issues.
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: pumpster on November 02, 2006, 04:40:35 PM
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He fucking served in Vietnam, dumbass. He knew what went down better than anyone! If US troops did shit they shouldn't of done, then why is Kerry wrong to point out those wrongs?

That's the shame of it, he actually served! But he still blew it with the wording..
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Camel Jockey on November 02, 2006, 04:47:58 PM
That's the shame of it, he actually served! But he still blew it with the wording..

If true independent or undecided Americans sway their vote because of what Kerry said then they truly are stupid.. But I guess this is nothing new, they already put this stupidity on display in '04.
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on November 02, 2006, 04:49:08 PM
it will effect nothing.

polls show nothing has changed in the last 2 weeks, even with kerry's misstep.  It's a fun diversion but that is all.
Title: Re: John Kerry tells the truth about the soldiers in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: JPM on November 02, 2006, 04:56:29 PM
For all the 'Things aren't what they seem' feaks out there, I just read "Conspiracies and Secret Societies" by Brad & Sherry Steiger. New World Order, OSS to the present CIA, mind control projects, Illuminati, Rockefeller's, HAARP, Vince Foster and on and on and on. Going from A to Z. Maybe someone would want to start a general fund and buy a copy for  240 is Back. Easy read and no really big words. And 240 is back would never run out of material to go online with.

Side Bar: Also an extended report on how Joe Weider controled the Mr. O from day one and every victory that Arnold won, is included with every copy of the book sold. Kind of hard to believe that though.