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Great game.
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Great game.
When Vineteri(sp) missed TWO field goals in NEW ENGLAND it sort of makes you think. >:(
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When Vineteri(sp) missed TWO field goals in NEW ENGLAND it sort of makes you think. >:(
And when he missed that last one I lost my fantasy football game by 2 freakin points! I am not happy. I hate kickers.
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I have to hand it to the Colts they where the better football team on this night. That catch harrison made was incredable.
I cannot believe how sloppy the pats played. They handed them that game. Just handed it to them. I cannot believe they only lost by 7 with all the penalties and bonehead football.
But there is no excuses here. The colts deserved that win. Congrats to all the colts fans out there it was a war and you guys deserved the win.
Ps... You guys have to agree, that call on T Brown was one of the worst calls ever. Just awful. We deserved to lose that game the way we played so do not think I think the officiating had to do with the loss. They would have lost anyway playing like that. But that was some awful shit. Could you guys hear us chanting bullshit on tv?
I am also in shock hearing the bears lost to the Dolphins ???
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The Colts have changed, are a better team than they were. Better defensive coverage, more physical RB, smarter QB.
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The Colts have changed, are a better team than they were. Better defensive coverage, more physical RB, smarter QB.
Physical rb? They had 50 yards rushing. The Pats played like dogshit and lost by 7. The colts played a better game and deserved the win. But if they colts are going to win it they need to stop the run.
That will burn them in the playoffs imo.
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I have to hand it to the Colts they where the better football team on this night. That catch harrison made was incredable.
I cannot believe how sloppy the pats played. They handed them that game. Just handed it to them. I cannot believe they only lost by 7 with all the penalties and bonehead football.
But there is no excuses here. The colts deserved that win. Congrats to all the colts fans out there it was a war and you guys deserved the win.
Ps... You guys have to agree, that call on T Brown was one of the worst calls ever. Just awful. We deserved to lose that game the way we played so do not think I think the officiating had to do with the loss. They would have lost anyway playing like that. But that was some awful shit. Could you guys hear us chanting bullshit on tv?
I am also in shock hearing the bears lost to the Dolphins ???
yeah,...but what about that first down that they gave Brady.REPLAY clearly showed he did not make it,but they had already moved the chains and there was no way to check it.Both teams made some silly mistakes but a great game all the same. I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE HE MISSED TWO FIELD GOALS! Especially on that field...oh well.
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yeah,...but what about that first down that they gave Brady.REPLAY clearly showed he did not make it,but they had already moved the chains and there was no way to check it.Both teams made some silly mistakes but a great game all the same. I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE HE MISSED TWO FIELD GOALS! Especially on that field...oh well.
Where you going by the yellow line on tv? That does not exist. I was about 100 feet from the field. The refs arms went staright up when he made the play to signal first down. Does not really matter like you said. The Pats played like shit and deserved to lose this game.
I did have beef with that taunting call tho. That was rediculous.
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Great game-- Colts now own the tiebreaker against NE and Denver. Even though the Colts running game is non-existent and the defense is suspect, consecutive wins in Denver and NE is impressive. They are through the tough part of the schedule. Not a Colt's fan, but I would love to see them go 16-0.
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Where you going by the yellow line on tv? That does not exist. I was about 100 feet from the field. The refs arms went staright up when he made the play to signal first down. Does not really matter like you said. The Pats played like shit and deserved to lose this game.
I did have beef with that taunting call tho. That was rediculous.
I agree.I never figured out what it was that he did...he just tossed the ball to the ref.
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Great game-- Colts now own the tiebreaker against NE and Denver. Even though the Colts running game is non-existent and the defense is suspect, consecutive wins in Denver and NE is impressive. They are through the tough part of the schedule. Not a Colt's fan, but I would love to see them go 16-0.
I don't care about 16-0 I just want them to make it to a SuperBowl. Last year was pathetic.To almost go undefeated and then get beat right off the bat like that was very disappointing.
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I don't care about 16-0 I just want them to make it to a SuperBowl. Last year was pathetic.To almost go undefeated and then get beat right off the bat like that was very disappointing.
Dont worry. I am sure there will be a rematch to decide who will go. If not us it will be the colts. The only thing a colts fan needs to worry about is that defense/ running game in the playoffs. It is going to have to catch up to them eventually. That offense is amazing in the air. But Manning and his recievers cannot do it all.
Manning played a great game tonight. While brady and co played terrible. Hats of to manning tonight here in NE. He played a hell of a game.
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Dont worry. I am sure there will be a rematch to decide who will go. If not us it will be the colts. The only thing a colts fan needs to worry about is that defense/ running game in the playoffs. It is going to have to catch up to them eventually. That offense is amazing in the air. But Manning and his recievers cannot do it all.
You can say that again.They are the worst at stopping the run.They are just so small in comparison to other teams.I honestly don't know why the Pats didn't just let that Marony(sp) dude run straight at em all day...we would not have been able to stop him.
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You can say that again.They are the worst at stopping the run.They are just so small in comparison to other teams.I honestly don't know why the Pats didn't just let that Marony(sp) dude run straight at em all day...we would not have been able to stop him.
One of them nights bro. There is a long, long list of mistakes they made tonight. You should have heard Bill after the game. Still shocked it came down to the wire and they only lost by seven. Penalties cost them. They know better so it is there own faults. I do not want to sit here and dwell on the fact the pats handed that one away. They played like shit and they where made to pay for it by a machine of a passing game. Not taking a thing away from the Colts. Great team you guys have.Manning is a great QB. Harrison made the catch of the year tonight also.
We will be battling It out again I am sure. The wide reciever core you guys have is extremley talented.
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Physical rb? They had 50 yards rushing.
It's not just about yardage if you pay attention. Madden mentioned same more than once BTW.
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Quote from: body88 on Today at 02:22:29 AM
Dont worry. I am sure there will be a rematch to decide who will go. If not us it will be the colts. The only thing a colts fan needs to worry about is that defense/ running game in the playoffs. It is going to have to catch up to them eventually. That offense is amazing in the air. But Manning and his recievers cannot do it all.
You can say that again.They are the worst at stopping the run.They are just so small in comparison to other teams.I honestly don't know why the Pats didn't just let that Marony(sp) dude run straight at em all day...we would not have been able to stop him.
You guys aren't paying attention-the Colt's defense outplayed NE, had excellent coverage that was better than NE's and didn't make a lot of mistakes while playing physically. They'll get better but looked good last night.
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You guys aren't paying attention-the Colt's defense outplayed NE, had excellent coverage that was better than NE's and didn't make a lot of mistakes while playing physically. They'll get better but looked good last night.
Harrison and Wilson where out last night. Harrison went down in the first quarter. That is both our starting safetys. There is no way to hold that offense without Rodney and Wilson. The Pats lost that game on penalties and mistakes.
I payed perfect attention. I was there 100 feet from the 40. Not going to argure with you on it because what is done is done. NE played like shit and Manning made them pay. The Colts won and they should have. Congeats to Colts fans. But we got alot of football left. I sure there will be a rematch. The hype train will be chugging.
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It's not just about yardage if you pay attention. Madden mentioned same more than once BTW.
If you can only manage 50 yards on the ground. Physical or not your rb is not producing. The Colts deserved to win with the way the pats played last night. Sloppy football.
You cannot play like that and expect to beat anyone. Let alone manning and that passing game. The defense gave us chance after chance last night. The offense was not on and we lost because of it. He ll I am pretty impressed we only last by 7 with all the penalties and stupid mistakes. Even more impressed it was only by seven with both Harrison and Wilson out.
But like I said. The colts played better, smarter football. They deserved to win. The Pats need to lose when they play like that. Congrats on your win pump. But you know we will be back.
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The Pats lost that game on penalties and mistakes.
Good excuse.
If you can only manage 50 yards on the ground. Physical or not your rb is not producing
Quite acceptible in the context of that game against that defense. The point is the physicality, not the amount of yards. Not the same thing. Madden mentioned it a few times even if you didn't notice. ;D
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Pumpster they lost by 7 points with 5 turnovers and about 50 penalties. In every single one of my posts I have congradulated the Colts. I have also stated the Pats have no excuse and should be ashamed with the football they played. We beat ourselves(we as in the pats). The colts made us pay for mistakes.The colts scored 27 points with all those chances they had. They should have scored about 40. Hell I cannot believe they did not score more with both NE's starting safetys out. You cannot tell me as a football fan the Pats played to there potential last night. With all the mistakes you can tell it was one of those nights. But that is not an excuse they did not bring there A game and a great colts team beat them. Just that simple. not taking a thing away from the colts. They deserved to win and played great aside from a few defensive issues.
The colts deserved to win. They are a great football team. There is nothing more to say.
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Good excuse.
Quite acceptible in the context of that game against that defense. The point is the physicality, not the amount of yards. Not the same thing. Madden mentioned it a few times even if you didn't notice. ;D
I did not notice what madden said. I was there at Gillete on the 40 yard line. I am sure he agreed with the taunting call on troy tho ::) I do not know about the physical stuff. He seemed to be wrapped up the second he touched the ball at every attempt. Just what I saw. I could not have looked at it as closley since I was having a heart attack over the Pats play.
Manning on the other hand played phenominal. Carrys that team on his back. Great player.
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They beat them AND it was at home AND for the second consecutive time. NE will probably improve next year.
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They beat them AND it was at home AND for the second consecutive time. NE will probably improve next year.
I know. Trust me pump we are dissapointed out here. I hoped to see a game like the first half for 4 whole quarters. It was a close game. The pats played sloppy and the Colts made them pay for it. I have never said the colts where not a great team. Either team can win any given time they meet. That offense in the air is a sight to see. I am suprised it turned out 27 - 20...
Congrats to the colts. They deserved this one. Also you are correct about the colts pash rush. They tipped alot off balls that caused turnovers. No idea why brady was throwing into traffic with a running game like we have but the Colts made them pay.
The Colts played better, they played smarter and they did not kill themselves with STUPID penalties. They deserved to win.
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I know. Trust me pump we are dissapointed out here.
No need-teams aren't able to win every year. NE's playing great for a team that's in the process of rebuilding, that is not quite there yet. I didn't expect them to be good again until next year. They're close enough already to make noise in the playoffs.
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How about that Marvin Harrison TD catch (the second one)? One of the best I've ever seen.
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That will help increase his rep as one of the top receivers. Superstars make that catch.
Also liked that Troy Brown reception right before the half, right in the balls. He was laughing after recovering and walking off the field.
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i really hope Indy doesnt get to the Super Bowl, but i dont know if they can be stopped. sorry Pump if you are an Indy fan you seem like you are, no offense. Manning and the offense are just too good. i dont see a defense in the AFC that is smart enough or physical enough to stop them. i thought NE had a chance but if they meet in the playoffs they will play in Indy and the Colts will again.
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I never liked Indy. Just pointing out that they're a better team than before.
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I never liked Indy. Just pointing out that they're a better team than before.
I am from Indy,and the Colts should have scored more than they did...the Pats were not in top form,but neither were the Colts(2 missed FG'S >:( ).However,O do not think we would have beaten the Patriots if they had played their best. I agree with Body88's assesment.
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I am from Indy,and the Colts should have scored more than they did...the Pats were not in top form,but neither were the Colts(2 missed FG'S ).However,O do not think we would have beaten the Patriots if they had played their best. I agree with Body88's assesment.
Woulda, coulda, shoulda.
Bottom line Indy's a better team this year than any time in the last 5 years.
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i really hope Indy doesnt get to the Super Bowl, but i dont know if they can be stopped. sorry Pump if you are an Indy fan you seem like you are, no offense. Manning and the offense are just too good. i dont see a defense in the AFC that is smart enough or physical enough to stop them. i thought NE had a chance but if they meet in the playoffs they will play in Indy and the Colts will again.
Athiest, I am not trying to argue with you or make excuses. But how can you say NE does not have the defensive skills to stop the colts. They played without both there starting safetys and held the most high powered offense in the leauge to 27 points. Losing Rodney for the game is the equivilent to the colts losing wayne or harrison against the best defense in football while they are playing well. Couple that with wilson out also and I find it impressive the Colts only won by a score. The defense was not playing to its capabilities and it still held them to within a touchdown. While the defense could have played alot better, the loss did not come from the defense it came from the offensive penalties and dropped passes / mistakes. The defense gave them mulitiple chances to score. I cannot believe how bad the offense played. But a w is a w. So the colts take this one. I can tell you one thing. NE is the last team the colts want to see in the playoffs. But congrats to the colts they deserved to win. I hope Bll has the offense on the practice field for the whole week working there balls off after that crap. I have never seen so many panalties at a NE game in my life.
NE played like shit and Indy made them pay. They where the better team and deserved to win.
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I am from Indy,and the Colts should have scored more than they did...the Pats were not in top form,but neither were the Colts(2 missed FG'S >:( ).However,O do not think we would have beaten the Patriots if they had played their best. I agree with Body88's assesment.
We had a missed field goal also. About 500 penalties and stupid drops and mistakes. Should have had at least 2 more scores and a field goal. The tipped balls that lead to turnovers. it was just bad news last night on the offensive side. Just sloppy football. The colts just played better. They got the w and they should have.
Losing Rodney Harrison on defense is the equivilent top the colts offense losing wayne or harrison against a extremley high powered defense. I think the defense did a good job of holding Indy to within a score with both the starting safteys out. While they could have played better the penalties and offensive blunders killed us. The defense gave them plenty of chanced to score. Plenty. Figures the offesne has a night like that against Indy. Ah well what are you gonna do. I still have failth in them. 6 and 2 aint so bad. Would be weird to not be in the shadows.Hell if they can play like that and lose by only 7 I have faith they can beat anyone when playing well.
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How about that Marvin Harrison TD catch (the second one)? One of the best I've ever seen.
Phenominal catch. Just amazing.
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Athiest, I am not trying to argue with you or make excuses. But how can you say NE does not have the defensive skills to stop the colts. They played without both there starting safetys and held the most high powered offense in the league to 27 points. Losing Rodney for the game is the equivilent to the colts losing wayne or harrison against the best defense in football while they are playing well. Couple that with wilson out also and I find it impressive the Colts only won by a score. The defense was not playing to its capabilities and it still held them to within a touchdown. While the defense could have played alot better, the loss did not come from the defense it came from the offensive penalties and dropped passes / mistakes. The defense gave them mulitiple chances to score. I cannot believe how bad the offense played. But a w is a w. So the colts take this one. I can tell you one thing. NE is the last team the colts want to see in the playoffs. But congrats to the colts they deserved to win. I hope Bll has the offense on the practice field for the whole week working there balls off after that crap. I have never seen so many panalties at a NE game in my life.
NE played like shit and Indy made them pay. They where the better team and deserved to win.
nor am i trying to argue with you. however every team plays with injuries. maybe NE defense did not play up to its ability but you could easily say the Colts O didnt play up to their abilities also. also this is the second year in row that Indy has beaten NE at home. Manning through for 300+ yards and had two touchdowns i believe. so statistically speaking the loss did come from the defense by allowing Manning to gain all those yards and throw for all those TD's. Indy accepted the fact that they could not really run the ball affectively and NE knew that also, therefore both teams knew the only way Indy could win was by throwing throwing the ball. and still NE could not stop Manning.
and the fact that the NE D held Indy to only 27 points is nothing to write home about really, many teams have played Indy tough but Indy always finds a way to win. Indy beats teams by an average of only 7.37 points. they have not necessarily been blowing teams out. and dont forget there is only one other winning team in their division.
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nor am i trying to argue with you. however every team plays with injuries. maybe NE defense did not play up to its ability but you could easily say the Colts O didnt play up to their abilities also. also this is the second year in row that Indy has beaten NE at home. Manning through for 300+ yards and had two touchdowns i believe. so statistically speaking the loss did come from the defense by allowing Manning to gain all those yards and throw for all those TD's. Indy accepted the fact that they could not really run the ball affectively and NE knew that also, therefore both teams knew the only way Indy could win was by throwing throwing the ball. and still NE could not stop Manning.
and the fact that the NE D held Indy to only 27 points is nothing to write home about really, many teams have played Indy tough but Indy always finds a way to win. Indy beats teams by an average of only 7.37 points. they have not necessarily been blowing teams out. and dont forget there is only one other winning team in their division.
Last year the entire Pats team was a mess of injuries. The colts trashed them fair and square last year.You make good points. but the pats offense did not play even close to what they are capable off. I am not taking anything away from Indy. They should have won that game. All I am saying is they only beat NE by a close 7 when NE played that awful how will they fair when NE is playing well on both sides of the ball? Until that rematch it is a moot point.
You make a good point about teams playing with injuries. BUt Indy fans would be the first to bring this point up if the game had gone the other way and Marvin harrison and Adi where out for the game.
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Last year the entire Pats team was a mess of injuries. You make good points. but the pats offense did not play even close to what they are capable off. I am not taking anything away from Indy. They should have won that game. All I am saying is they only beat NE by a close 7 when NE played that awful how will they fair when NE is playing well on both sides of the ball? Until that rematch it is a moot point. I relize this and until then Indy has bragging rights.
I don't think you realize what a homer you are, with the lengthy list of excuses. They beat em again, that's it.
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I don't think you realize what a homer you are, with the lengthy list of excuses. They beat em again, that's it.
Ok pumpster.... We shall see in the playoffs. 3 rings here. What does Indy have? Those are all valid points I have made. We are debating the game. It is not just thats it. Do not reply to my posts if you do not like them.
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Ok pumpster.... We shall see in the playoffs. 3 rings here. What does Indy have?
You've proven the point with defensiveness. What's that about? Do they have to be the best team every year?
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You've proven the point with defensiveness. What's that about? Do they have to be the best team every year?
No they do not. But you guys are talking like Indy is this vastly superior team. That there was no factors to the pats losing. I am bringing them up not making excuses. Yes Indy beat the pats when we had 5 turnovers, a offense not playing well, both are starting safety's out and a host of horseshit calls and penalties. They won by the massive sum of seven points with all these factors.
If Indy was this superior team people talk them up to be the score would not have been 27 - 20 with all the shit they had handed to them. They barley won with all the help they had. Those are the facts. I gave indy there credit and i am breaking down the game. It is not just "thats it. There is still 8 games left and the playoffs.
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No they do not. But you guys are talking like Indy is this vastly superior team. That there was no factors to the pats losing.
It was a good game because they're evenly matched; i never said Indy was vastly better this is your NE bias. Could go the other way next time. Stop making excuses in the meantime. ;)
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It was a good game because they're evenly matched; i never said Indy was vastly better this is your NE bias. Could go the other way next time. Stop making excuses in the meantime. ;)
If I sound like I am making excuses I am not trying to. I gave Indy credit. They should have won that game. I was trying to debate the factors I think led Indy to win the game.
I hope to see a rematch where both teams are playing there best ball. The first quarter was what football is all about imo. I would like to make it clear I am not taking a thing away from Indy when I bring up these factors I felt led to the pats losing. Indy deserved to win. I am just stressing the pats should not be counted out because they lost a game they clearly handed away. Indy made them pay on every mistake like a great team should. But that is not NE ball that was played.
But you do have a point. No matter the factors they lost. They did not win. So even tho what I say is valid it just does not matter. They lost and thats it.
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I dont understand how Brady could be so cool when two of his interceptions were from receivers not catching the ball, the last of which ended the possible game tying drive. i would be absolutely furious at Faulk.
and the chances are not likely at all that when or if Indy faces NE again in the playoffs that either team will be healthy, most times when teams meet in the playoffs both teams have many injuries. its up to the players and coaches for them to make the adjusments.
i think the losses of key players is the differense for NE. they cant continually let key players go. talent wise they were superior to Indy in the past however recently Indy has gained in talent and Indy has caught up with them. Tom agreed to take less money to support the team and sighn key players but they front office decided differntly for whatever reason.
i really wish someone would hurt Peyton. the fact that he has such a great Oline and a great core of recievers had a great running back and plays half of his games in doors and the league changed the rules to allow receivers more freedom and pretty much no contact by the BD's is stupid.
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I dont understand how Brady could be so cool when two of his interceptions were from receivers not catching the ball, the last of which ended the possible game tying drive. i would be absolutely furious at Faulk.
Watching Manning lose his cool the last couple of years it's clear that a QB who maintains composure's generally a better leader. He can always lose it behind the scenes. Notice that Manning's a better QB now, both in running the offense and in maintaining a more level composure similar to Brady.
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Watching Manning lose his cool the last couple of years it's clear that a QB who maintains composure's generally a better leader. He can always lose it behind the scenes. Notice that Manning's a better QB now, both in running the offense and in maintaining a more level composure similar to Brady.
yeah i guess, and thats also one of the reasons they relate Brady to Montana. their abiltiy to keep their cool in heavy situations (and the fact that they have multiple rings.)
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I don't think you realize what a homer you are, with the lengthy list of excuses. They beat em again, that's it.
He never made excuses.He said the Colts deserved the win.He just stated the facts.They made mistakes,which he acknowledged.I am a die hard Colts fan,but I thought they were going to lose,to be honest.
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Body88 has been very nice and diplomatic over the loss to the Dolts. Some of u guys have kept pushing him but he's been very nice. I however am not going to be. Yes, we lost. We shot ourselves in the foot time and time again. That said...Manning is still a whiny little girl. Bill Polian has sought to change the rules and do whatever he can to insure that his primadonna QB will have an unfair advantage against the db's. The "chuck" rule etc. They are not built for the post season. They can't run and their rush defense is horrible. They gave up 148 yards against the Pats. I'm not sure what game Belicheck watched last week but he decided not to run in the second half. No idea why Faulk is still catching passes. We still had a chance to tie that game at the end and I guess the defense can be thanked for that. They did a much better job in the second half pressuring the Fraud. He was starting to get that look on his face. Make no mistake I hate the Dolts..but they won and Brady played like crap. The Pats will just have to bare down and get on a role offensively going into Jan. I guess Rodney Harrison has a torn rotator cuff or thats the rumor.
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Yes, we lost. We shot ourselves in the foot time and time again. That said...Manning is still a whiny little girl.
Anyone who uses the term "we" in discussing a pro sports team immediately has zero objectivity. ;)
As far as Manning, unless you can come up with a tangible example i'd say it's quite possible that he may not be as annoying as he was previously.
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Quote from: pumpster on November 06, 2006, 06:21:27 PM
I don't think you realize what a homer you are, with the lengthy list of excuses. They beat em again, that's it.
He never made excuses.He said the Colts deserved the win.He just stated the facts.They made mistakes,which he acknowledged.I am a die hard Colts fan,but I thought they were going to lose,to be honest.
Actually he did make excuses, and said so-why do you feel the need to defend him? The Colts were in control much of the game-this idea that they were going to lose is your own paranoia.
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Actually he did make excuses, and said so-why do you feel the need to defend him? The Colts were in control much of the game-this idea that they were going to lose is your own paranoia.
Actually I thought they would lose simply because New England is a jinx for them,or so it seems.Especially at New England. I have complete faith in the offense,but defensively the Colts are horrible at stopping the run.Even though their record id the same as it was at this time last year,their wins have not been nearly as easy.There have been some close games.
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Despite the criticisms, the Colts defence played well. Looks like they're improving through the season.
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Despite the criticisms, the Colts defence played well. Looks like they're improving through the season.
I hope so.
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I hope so.
Their pass coverage was excellent. 4 interceptions doesn't happen with a weak defence, means the DBs were paying attention & are well-coached. Good coverage is more important than the run defence IMO.
the Colts are horrible at stopping the run
They weren't bad-able to stuff them on key plays isn't the sign of a weak run defence.
There are no great teams in the league, so having an imperfect defence isn't more of a disadvantage than those faced by other teams.
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Well...sorry about the "we" but I love the Pats and absolutely hate Manning and the Colts. Nobody in the NFL has gotten more ad's and media attention for not winning a dammed thing then him and his family. That and the AFC Finalist participation banner that hangs in the RCA dome..no joke. I will never be objective about winning or loosing to the Dolts. We have the Bears in a few weeks. I can be more objective. They have a great Defense..average running game...and I guess, a questionable QB. I never thought he was great anyway..Miami has a good defense and they made him look horrible. We'll see. I am just looking to get past the Jets on sunday.
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absolutely hate Manning and the Colts. Nobody in the NFL has gotten more ad's and media attention for not winning a dammed thing then him and his family.
Agreed, the obnoxiousness reminded me of Elway before he was knocked down a few pegs. Like Elway the embarassment's finally resulted in some maturity along with more of a team first mentality, instead of trying to run the whole show. He seems humbled, finally. Same thing with the Colts coach and team, they're an all-round team for the first time with less attitude it seems, the way the Pats have been.