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Reinstating the draft would cause the kids of middle class and rich kids to have to go to war. Right now, it's mostly lower income kids.
When this happens, campaign donation dollars dry up quick, and political pressure mounts from repubs and moderates who are currently okay with a war of aggression for oil, but sure aren't cool with their kids taking fire in the sand for it. The draft killed vietnam.
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fuck the draft,why go to iraq when i can shoot someone in the comfort of my home ;)
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arrg...even tho i posted 1st, go here:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=107727.0
bleh
**close this thread**
You yanks can't even tell the time, he posted approx 12 hours before you did.
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How do you guys get the picture in your sig?
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I'm drunk as hell and can tell the difference between am and pm... My posted thread was morning on sunday. Garreth, drik a browskyh with me and you'll be ables to tell time like me... right now I'm in pmam zoned ;D Danmit plumer dammmit... :'(
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it's an end-around to cutting war funding.
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You yanks can't even tell the time
and you brits cant even locate the UK or USA on a map.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6074202.stm
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and you brits cant even locate the UK or USA on a map.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6074202.stm
Our people are so much wiser. I bet 100% of them could find Iraq on a map.
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Our people are so much wiser. I bet 100% of them could find Iraq on a map.
just exposing hypocrisy. the average American is stupid(you for example) the average European is stupid(latman for example). then there are those with far superior intelligence like myself in both areas of the globe.
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The reasons for this are endless. 240's points are part of it from the civilian side. From the Mil side u would have to realx standards or change regs. Why would a kid who got drafted want to make weight or pass a PT test. IT would have to be tied in with colledge money/loans etc. There would have to be penalties...it would be a nightmare but Rangle has a point.
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The reasons for this are endless. 240's points are part of it from the civilian side. From the Mil side u would have to realx standards or change regs. Why would a kid who got drafted want to make weight or pass a PT test. IT would have to be tied in with colledge money/loans etc. There would have to be penalties...it would be a nightmare but Rangle has a point.
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The reasons for this are endless. 240's points are part of it from the civilian side. From the Mil side u would have to realx standards or change regs. Why would a kid who got drafted want to make weight or pass a PT test. IT would have to be tied in with colledge money/loans etc. There would have to be penalties...it would be a nightmare but Rangle has a point.
Good point. There are a ton of ways to get out of the military (unless stop loss is in effect): fat boys, open homosexuality, pregnancy, the infamous and oft-used "personality disorder."
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Yeah beach I didn't even get into the gay thing but say ur sitting on ur ass getting ready to go to Ohio State..playing football and getting ready to bang ur way through colledge. Taking golf and smoking all the shit u can. If it were me..I'd try to blow somebody at MEPPS before they ever shipped me off. I did this crap on my own terms....anyway the reason are endless that this bad. NCO's would be pulling out their hair.
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that belief that the military is mostly lower income is exagerrated greatly, as I have commented on before.
It is completely voluntary as well.
All males are signed up in case the need for a draft occurs, as I had to put in my selective service paperwork when i was 18 or so.
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the average American is stupid(you for example)
Aside from my education, understanding of the concepts we debate, and the fact that two years ago I made the exact arguments you are making today before learning the truth about how the world works, yes, you are absolutely right.
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it seems like every liberal i know makes the same claims. they used to be a conservative then they got all smart and "saw the light". ya ya ya, cut the crap
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Reinstating the draft would cause the kids of middle class and rich kids to have to go to war. Right now, it's mostly lower income kids.
When this happens, campaign donation dollars dry up quick, and political pressure mounts from repubs and moderates who are currently okay with a war of aggression for oil, but sure aren't cool with their kids taking fire in the sand for it. The draft killed vietnam.
What about the illegal immigrants...I guess they don't have to fight if the draft is reinstated.
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What about the illegal immigrants...I guess they don't have to fight if the draft is reinstated.
IMO we should be able to shoot them below the kneecap on sight. If they can crawl to an American hospital, they get free health care before deportation. If they cannot, they contribute to the ecosystem in that buzzards can eat.
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic....
Partially. I think any illegals here should be tagged and taxed. We do need the ones that are here in order to keep Cali's economy together.
However, after we bring home our men from iraq, I think half of them should guard our border, and half (those that test in the top 50 percentile) should work on an alternative fuel source. border fixed, alternative fuel source in 3 years :)
Of course, then we couldn't exploit the resources of other countries. As Bush said today from overseas, an isolationist spproach prevents us from "opportunities".
Opportunites to die defending iraqi soil for one iraqi from another iraqi! Bravo!
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Aside from my education, understanding of the concepts we debate, and the fact that two years ago I made the exact arguments you are making today before learning the truth about how the world works, yes, you are absolutely right.
you thought saudi arabia had nukes, you think the osama confession tape is fake, you think a missile or drone was shot into the pentagon, you think the towers were a controlled demolition, you're a gullible moron. i will never be stupid enough to belive the things you do.
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i actually agree with 240, until that last part. but illegals are not keeping any economy running. they are a huge burden. when you have illegals working for you, you can pay them a few bucks an hour. as opposed to having to pay minimum wage. the lower wages being payed puts less money into the economy
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However, after we bring home our men from iraq, I think half of them should guard our border, and half (those that test in the top 50 percentile) should work on an alternative fuel source. border fixed, alternative fuel source in 3 years :)
no, burn all the foreign fuel then build more nuclear power plants and up production on our coal reserves, largest in the world, use and export. maybe shale oil as well, which we also happen to have the largest reserves of in the world, it sucks though, like tar sands... 'alternative energy' is a joke. like i said, burn off all the foreign oil,leave them with nothing. thats the best policy.
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Hey, if you wanna close em and deport all 12mil, I support that too. But logistically, it's too complex to happen. So I'd take the hit, say they can stay, then lock down the border with landmines and infared vision. Or pay those minutemen $50 for every illegal they poach ;)
They do serve some function, and they do work close to national level min. wage (still 5.15 hour?) I doubt most illegals would work for under $5 an hour.. that's $40 a day. Not a bad deal for employers
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no, burn all the foreign fuel then build more nuclear power plants and up production on our coal reserves, largest in the world, use and export. maybe shale oil as well, which we also happen to have the largest reserves of in the world, it sucks though, like tar sands... 'alternative energy' is a joke. like i said, burn off all the foreign oil,leave them with nothing. thats the best policy.
You're irrational. Incredible that you'd shit on my 911 beliefs blindly, then trumpet your belief that we should illegally steal resources from other nations. I'm guessing you're ill in your soul.
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You're irrational. Incredible that you'd shit on my 911 beliefs blindly, then trumpet your belief that we should illegally steal resources from other nations. I'm guessing you're ill in your soul.
i didn't say anything about stealing, we can buy their oil, till it's gone. but i'm not against stealing from muslims. hope this helps.
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Incredible that you'd shit on my 911 beliefs blindly
you must have me confused with someone else, i base my judgements on facts, credible sources and common sense, unlike yourself.
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you must have me confused with someone else, i base my judgements on facts, credible sources and common sense, unlike yourself.
please see the 911 thread. I would like your facts on WTC7.
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besides the fact that you would be able to see and hear the explosions which no one did. it was burning for hours, nobody was in there. so what use would it have been to bring it down?
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besides the fact that you would be able to see and hear the explosions which no one did. it was burning for hours, nobody was in there. so what use would it have been to bring it down?
If you look at the back half of the building, you see that only one of the windows has blown out. So if the fires weren't hot enough to blow out those windows, how were they hot enough to melt every floor support in all 47 floors - AND both huge central support columns.
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no the building was pretty fuked up. anyways asnwer this Why did the "conspirators" wait until the end of the day to do it? What possible reason would they have to keep WTC 7 up all day long?
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no the building was pretty fuked up. anyways asnwer this Why did the "conspirators" wait until the end of the day to do it? What possible reason would they have to keep WTC 7 up all day long?
No, I beg of you - look at the photographs and videotapes. Even if the front bottom half of the building was torn to shit, the BACK half wouldn't collapse just as uniformly as the front.
And even if it did, there's no way the concrete would be pulverizes in such a manner. I mean, thousands of tons of concrete converting to powder - this is completely inconsistent with any building collapse in history. I beg you, I implore you, to find a building which has been on fire that collapses in a manner like WTC7 - even MUCH worse fires. Concrete has never pulverized in a building without explosives. And it pulverizes in WTC7.
kh300, I don't want it to be an inside job. Man, it fucks with my head to think about that scenario. but the evidence of building collapses throughout history from small fires - or ANY fires - say that it was a controlled demolition.
Also - it's very possible that the 4th plane which crashed in Penn was designed to crash into WTC7. The timeline is perfect (evacuated completely right after 10, and the plane would have arrived right before 11.)
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still avoiding the question.
looks pretty damaged to me
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no the building was pretty fuked up.
here is the damage the building sustained. Verify on your own. Bottom right corner had some shit damage. Worst case, part of the building could have tipped forward or collapsed into that area. The way we see the back of it collapse cleanly at the speed of freefall or faster - completely inconsistent with damage.
kh, there's a reason the 911 commission won't touch it. it's completely unexplainable.
but look at the pic, man.
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wtf i post a real pic of wtc7 up in flames and u give me some diagram someone drew up?
and for the 4th time you havnt answerd my question
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No, I beg of you - look at the photographs and videotapes. Even if the front bottom half of the building was torn to shit, the BACK half wouldn't collapse just as uniformly as the front.
And even if it did, there's no way the concrete would be pulverizes in such a manner. I mean, thousands of tons of concrete converting to powder - this is completely inconsistent with any building collapse in history. I beg you, I implore you, to find a building which has been on fire that collapses in a manner like WTC7 - even MUCH worse fires. Concrete has never pulverized in a building without explosives. And it pulverizes in WTC7.
kh300, I don't want it to be an inside job. Man, it fucks with my head to think about that scenario. but the evidence of building collapses throughout history from small fires - or ANY fires - say that it was a controlled demolition.
Also - it's very possible that the 4th plane which crashed in Penn was designed to crash into WTC7. The timeline is perfect (evacuated completely right after 10, and the plane would have arrived right before 11.)
what a buch of bull. "i dont want 911 to be an inside job". give me a fukin break. you love this shit. you think everything is a conspericy. like 911 is the first time you thought of this shit. you claim that you would have never thought of this stuff until you saw the "facts". total lie. that might work on one of these crackheads, but your not getting that shit past me bro.
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and for the 4th time you havnt answerd my question
I did - it's very possible that the 4th plane which crashed in Penn was designed to crash into WTC7. The timeline is perfect (evacuated completely right after 10, and the plane would have arrived right before 11.)
The reason they chose 5:20 PM and not 10:45 Am or so, as would have originally been planned? Number of people around and cameras on the collapse.
At 5:20 pm - most in America were driving home, not glued to screens. Most don't know there was a WTC7 collapse.
At 5:20 pm - most news people were in the studio prepping for the most watched 6 pm newscasts in history. We see that only 4 to 6 cameras even caught the collapse.
At 5:20 pm - the streets were way emptier. Less people, less witnesses, less collateral damage, etc.
kh300, i was reading tonight about over a dozen 'false-flag' operations that govts have used, killing its own people, to get their nations to support war. Do you accept such an instance has occurred in the past?
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what a buch of bull. "i dont want 911 to be an inside job". give me a fukin break. you love this shit. you think everything is a conspericy. like 911 is the first time you thought of this shit. you claim that you would have never thought of this stuff until you saw the "facts". total lie. that might work on one of these crackheads, but your not getting that shit past me bro.
No. I'm a conservative patriot and it saddens me. it took a lot of studying the evidence to believe it, but I now do. And I do not think everything is a conspiracy. But I do recognize some false-flag attacks which have occurred in our lifetimes. It is what it is - and anyone who has spend 2 hours studying the evidence will at the very least spot you the chance something is amiss. It seems to me you're arguing against evidence you haven't studied.
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typical liberal motto, "i used to be a conservative".
your nothing but a very paranoid schizophrenic. its one theory after another. no facts, just theory. you can just go on and on and on, but nobody with half a brain is listening to your shit. after your last bit with the plane hitting the wtc7, now i know your nothing but a nutjob. thats why nobody takes you serious
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typical liberal motto, "i used to be a conservative".
your nothing but a very paranoid schizophrenic. its one theory after another. no facts, just theory. you can just go on and on and on, but nobody with half a brain is listening to your shit. after your last bit with the plane hitting the wtc7, now i know your nothing but a nutjob. thats why nobody takes you serious
I think even those who disagree with me here will agree if anything, i am a wealth of information, evidence, and details on the 9/11 events.
You can call me a nutjob. I consider myself enlightened enough to see the events of 9/11 about 5 years before you do, thanks to my ability to remove fear, anger, and party loyalty from the equation and look at the facts - before, on, and after - 9/11.
kh, someday you will learn it, as all americans will. I'm sure people were once mocked for saying JFK was killed by someone other than Oswald. Now that Congress itself has admitted it was a group effort, the only people who believe the official story are just uneducated.
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BTW, kh...
you called me a liberal. That is the furthest thing from the truth. I'm a fucking patriot. You're a blind neocon lemming. You believe whatever Bush says. you feel safe that way. And it's good that you've found your security blanket, Linus. Just don't let Mom wash it, or it might fall apart on ya!
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I hate how people feel bad for exploitation of illegals when these people purposely work for less than minimum wage. Gain citizenship, get better wages. I think it could be good for the economy. If they got higher wages as citizens, they would get taxed and more money would go into the economy. Even if companies had to charge more for products, they would still make the same profit. Illegals should get no government funding whatsoever. That would be billions better spent on education and other important things.
Illegals also send a big portion of their wages back to their respective homes(Mexico and Latin American countries) instead of putting that money into the American economy.
there's no way to deport 12 million people, so the only solution here is to secure the borders which isn't happening. :-\ You gotta put machine gun batteries and land mines on the border, that'd stop those dudes cold!
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BTW, kh...
you called me a liberal. That is the furthest thing from the truth. I'm a fucking patriot. You're a blind neocon lemming. You believe whatever Bush says. you feel safe that way. And it's good that you've found your security blanket, Linus. Just don't let Mom wash it, or it might fall apart on ya!
Yea, KH.... Liberal leaning individuals can't be patriots :P
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jfk is a completely differant story. from the way the bullets entered and exited there had to be more than one shooter. thats a fact. now to just blindly go out and say" um ya the government did it" with no proof then your a moron. just like 911.
your not enlightened by shit. you think The government is evil, and it is out to do something sinister. Needless to say, it is basically impossible to argue with you, because each and every fact that discredits yours, or any conspiracy theorist's argument in itself is automatically taken as proof that something else must be hidden.
dont let my mom wash my security blanket? how gay are you
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jfk is a completely differant story. from the way the bullets entered and exited there had to be more than one shooter. thats a fact. now to just blindly go out and say" um ya the government did it" with no proof then your a moron. just like 911.
Who do you think the group of people who killed JFK were?
And since some of the evidence was glaring (more than 3 bullets, etc), wouldn't any govt which didn't notice that be COMPLETELY incompetent to the point of retardation, or more likely, guilty of a cover up?
And since there was the appearance of collusion (drive of car didn't speed off at sound of first shot. Turned around and watched until JFK was hit then drove off). Wouldn't they ask the drive about that?
And why did they all say JFK's head flew fwd on the Zapruder film (remember the tape was kept secret for many years) then when it was finally relseased, we all saw it fly backward).
In other words, who do you think killed him? And if kids like us can see such glaring problems, why didn't the Warren Commission, a collection of govt people who investigated, see these same things?
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jfk is a completely differant story. from the way the bullets entered and exited there had to be more than one shooter. thats a fact. now to just blindly go out and say" um ya the government did it" with no proof then your a moron. just like 911.
your not enlightened by shit. you think The government is evil, and it is out to do something sinister. Needless to say, it is basically impossible to argue with you, because each and every fact that discredits yours, or any conspiracy theorist's argument in itself is automatically taken as proof that something else must be hidden.
dont let my mom wash my security blanket? how gay are you
When one secret service guy orders another away from JFK's car to clear a shot, the government is in at some level. 240, post that documentary, good shit... And it's also not the government, that's a terrible way to look at it, it's bad guys committing crimes...
BILL:
"Now you guys, come on. You're talking
about the United States Government
here!"
JIM:
"We're talking about a crime, Bill.
No one is above the law. Reduce it.
A crime was committed. Let's get to
work."
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JFK II
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2928756561478705121&q=jfk+II&hl=en
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4315024059102108031&q=jfk+assassination&hl=en
NO ONE who watches the first 30 minutes of this will still believe the 'lone gunman' story.
Take the JFK Challenge!
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i learned in the 5th grade it was a coverup. there had to be more than one gunmen. thats a fact. but of course you lunatics have to take it further and further. going past the facts and into speculation
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i learned in the 5th grade it was a coverup. there had to be more than one gunmen. thats a fact. but of course you lunatics have to take it further and further. going past the facts and into speculation
KH, you didn't learn the things in this documentary in the 5th grade... Just fucking watch it, it's not going to kill you ;D Just clear you mind of any bias watching it, we're not going to gang up and laugh "I told you so"
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i learned in the 5th grade it was a coverup. there had to be more than one gunmen. thats a fact. but of course you lunatics have to take it further and further. going past the facts and into speculation
If our govt had nothing to do with it, why did they choose to overlook the fact that more than 3 bullets were fired?
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im not arguing with you. i just dont give a shit. im not going too speculate on what might have happend 30 years ago
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im not arguing with you. i just dont give a shit. im not going too speculate on what might have happend 30 years ago
I think you kinda did speculate here:
there had to be more than one gunmen. thats a fact.
But more importantly... how can you accept that a US Prez can be killed thru a conspiracy/coverup, but that 3000 office workers cannot on 911?
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im not arguing with you. i just dont give a shit. im not going too speculate on what might have happend 30 years ago
man... a wee angry :P
Not going to speculate, yea because history is completely useless huh ::)
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I think you kinda did speculate here:
But more importantly... how can you accept that a US Prez can be killed thru a conspiracy/coverup, but that 3000 office workers cannot on 911?
ok you guys win the government shot jfk. what now?
jfk would have taken a few people to accomplish the shooting. 911 would have taken thousands. thousands of people keeping their lips sealed. not one whistle blower yet. o yeah i forgot, all of them are part of the coverup.
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ok you guys win the government shot jfk. what now?
jfk would have taken a few people to accomplish the shooting. 911 would have taken thousands. thousands of people keeping their lips sealed. not one whistle blower yet. o yeah i forgot, all of them are part of the coverup.
"a few"?
It would only take a "few" people to kill JFK *and* cover it up? Dude the gov of texas completely changed his story. As did doctors, secret service, and many others. There were MANY in on it, quite a few of which were murdered/suicided later.
You were just kidding about "a few", right?
(By the way, the fact that you've accepted that inside jobs DO happen impresses me. :) )
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when have i ever said that inside jobs dont happen?
let me tell you a little story. right after the monica Lewinsky thing was going on the fbi investigated a murder of a girl at a washington d.c. starbucks. 3 men wearing suits came in at store closing. they took the employees into the back room, then shot the girl twice in the head. no evidence left, just 2 bullet holes in the ceiling. a very professional shooting. turns out this girl just finished her term as a white house intern.
i smell a skunk
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Yea since nobody learns from it...
now we know why ;D
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when have i ever said that inside jobs dont happen?
let me tell you a little story. right after the monica Lewinsky thing was going on the fbi investigated a murder of a girl at a washington d.c. starbucks. 3 men wearing suits came in at store closing. they took the employees into the back room, then shot the girl twice in the head. no evidence left, just 2 bullet holes in the ceiling. a very professional shooting. turns out this girl just finished her term as a white house intern.
i smell a skunk
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What the hell are you trying to say ???
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yes inside jobs happen. 911 wasnt an inside job. you just say it is because you have such a hatred for bush.
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yes inside jobs happen. 911 wasnt an inside job. you just say it is because you have such a hatred for bush.
nah. I don't like him (i used to - voted for him twice), but I certainly don't believe he was behind ANYTHING on 9/11. I think he did what he was told. period. I believe he doesn't have the courage to stand up to these things, but hey, JFK DID have that courage and we know how that ended. I still vote republican on local issues, and I would likely vote for mccain (as he has called for stopping the military indus. complex) and he is old enough that he just might do what's right for the US, not what's right for him.
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yes inside jobs happen. 911 wasnt an inside job. you just say it is because you have such a hatred for bush.
Well If someone believes so much as Bush let 911 happen, wouldn't it be kinda tarded for them to like him ::)
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4315024059102108031&q=jfk+assassination&hl=en
NO ONE who watches the first 30 minutes of this will still believe the 'lone gunman' story.
Take the JFK Challenge!
Did anyone take up this challenge ???