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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: gh15 on November 21, 2006, 02:43:12 AM
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First off, thanks for all your posts on growth and aas, etc, etc. I actually believe you're a pro but in the end it doesn't actually matter since you've been posting pretty solid info and that's all that counts.
I was just wondering your opinion on something. I'm 22 now and from the age of 16-now i've gone from 140ish to 205 at the same or less bf% (9-11ish) and i've recently gotten my diet and training in check for the most part. Anyways, i'm hoping to do a cycle once i hit about 225lbs which is actually still quite skinny for my height but at that weight i should be about the same size as that daddywaddy guy.
Anyways, I'm sure with an extra few years of training i could probably get to about 245 without using gear but i'd probably be about 26 by that time and to be frank i'm getting kinda frustrated.
I was curious as to what your thoughts are before you reached your "genetic potential". I figure at 225 i'll be about 80-90% of what i can reach without the sauce, so will it really make that much of a difference to spend another 2-3 years training naturally just to get that last 10-20 lbs when i can get more than that if i in 15 weeks (including pct) if i just bite the bullet and hit the needle.
Do you feel you maxed out genetically when you started?
Sorry for the long post, hope to get a message back from you.
Thanks.
if you trained naturally from age 16 and youre now 22 you are ready for hormones. you can wait few more years but that will only push back your bodybuilding dreams because as of today in the npc,,unless it is local show,,you wont find natural. natural is dead. even at the local usa county shows many of the guys are on heavy use (and im not talkin about the clenbuterol,,t3,,gh that every figure girl will fuck for)
so in general,,if competition is your goal,,,the sooner you go on the better you will be,,as long! as you have good foundation on you..and that means couple years in the gym doing the basic weight lifting/powelifting movements. A SOLID FOUNDATION IS A MUST and there are many ways to achieve that solid foundation. with out it you wont get far in bodybuilding,,its like building a house floor by floor,,you gotta put in the first floor naturally otherwize it will be poof and gone the moment you cant get a hold of hormones for few months.
about your question wether i felt maxed out when i started,,,um the answer is i dont know,,i probably could have gone on 2 more years but for what? for another 3lb a year? . i been training good 4 years before i started using hormones and i started using them so
1. i can step on stage and do damage
2. i can stand next to 5'2 200lb woman and not only look good but also look and actually be bigger than her.
3. i can make money off bodybuilding
those were my 3 personal goals when started years ago,, and all were achieved.
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haha, lmao.
Gh15, you're getting funnier every time you post.
Doesn't looking in the mirror satisfy you anymore? ;)
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2. i can stand next to 5'2 200lb woman and not only look good but also look and actually be bigger than her.
those were my 3 personal goals when started years ago,, and all were achieved.
5'2" 200lbs woman? dayum :o
how tall are you gh?
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5'2" 200lbs woman? dayum :o
how tall are you gh?
Hey Cheri, how are you sweetheart?
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5'2" 200lbs woman? dayum :o
how tall are you gh?
tall enough for you to need your open toe 3 inch heel shoes when doing it stading ;) :D
when youre bigger than fat girls you know you are getting somewhere,,,200lb 5'10 bodybuilder will still be smaller than 5'2 200lb woman,,260...wont
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A SOLID FOUNDATION IS A MUST and there are many ways to achieve that solid foundation. with out it you wont get far in bodybuilding,,its like building a house floor by floor,,you gotta put in the first floor naturally otherwize it will be poof and gone the moment you cant get a hold of hormones for few months.
Since most people value the hell out of your opinion, what would define as foundation exercises?
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first 2 years of training in a gym should be looking like that:
dead lifts,,,squats,,,dead lifts,,squats,,barbell curls/dumbell curls,,,dead lifts,,,squats,,shoulder press,,,dead lifts,,squats,,chin ups/pull downs,,,dead lifts,,,squats,,,tbar rows/dumbell rows,,,dead lifts,,squats,,bench press/incline bench press,,dead lifts,,,squats,,,tricep work of your choice as long as its heavy and strict or as close to strict as possible if super heavy weight,,,dead lifts,,,squats.
calf work of your choice,,ab work of your choice,,,dead lifts,,,squats,,,,
after few years when you have foundation dialed in you can start playing with exercises and be more lazy since you know your body well and know what it takes to get to where you need to be wether its by leg press or squats ,,,,dead lifts or good mornings,,,,it wont matter much when you got the foundation dialed in and the drugs in the mail/gym bag/fridge
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first 2 years of training in a gym should be looking like that:
dead lifts,,,squats,,,dead lifts,,squats,,barbell curls/dumbell curls,,,dead lifts,,,squats,,shoulder press,,,dead lifts,,squats,,chin ups/pull downs,,,dead lifts,,,squats,,,tbar rows/dumbell rows,,,dead lifts,,squats,,bench press/incline bench press,,dead lifts,,,squats,,,tricep work of your choice as long as its heavy and strict or as close to strict as possible if super heavy weight,,,dead lifts,,,squats.
calf work of your choice,,ab work of your choice,,,dead lifts,,,squats,,,,
after few years when you have foundation dialed in you can start playing with exercises and be more lazy since you know your body well and know what it takes to get to where you need to be wether its by leg press or squats ,,,,dead lifts or good mornings,,,,it wont matter much when you got the foundation dialed in and the drugs in the mail/gym bag/fridge
Do you think I should do deadlifts?
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Do you think I should do deadlifts?
lol.
You could try deadlifts instead!
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Cool! Do they need to be weighted deadlifts or does it count if I mickey up the girl and lift her into bed?
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Cool! Do they need to be weighted deadlifts or does it count if I mickey up the girl and lift her into bed?
Well, in the latter case i presume the weight shouldn't be too high, otherwise the fun may lack, and not too low, or you might end up in jail.
In the first case, i'd say, if you're a beginner, my plann might look like this:
dead lifts,,,,,,,,,,,,dead lifts,,,,,,,,,,dead,lifts.......dead,,,,lifts,,,,,,,,,dead,lifts,,,,,,,,,,
ahhh,,,,shite,,,,,it,,,looks,,,like,,,i,,,,broke,,,,my,,,keyboard,,,,,
;D ;D
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Hey Cheri, how are you sweetheart?
Hiya DK. What's up? :)
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tall enough for you to need your open toe 3 inch heel shoes when doing it stading ;) :D
when youre bigger than fat girls you know you are getting somewhere,,,200lb 5'10 bodybuilder will still be smaller than 5'2 200lb woman,,260...wont
3 inch heels? Then you're kinda short, huh? I'm only 5'3" :) but not near 200 lbs...thank god. ;D
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Hiya DK. What's up? :)
A lot. ;D
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A lot. ;D
Ummm. ok. lol
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Ummm. ok. lol
You're welcome!!
Say hello to Mike.
Has he proposed to you yet?
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You're welcome!!
Say hello to Mike.
Has he proposed to you yet?
Nah, why...you think he should? :)
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Quote from: DonkeyKong on Today at 03:52:25 PM
You're welcome!!
Say hello to Mike.
Has he proposed to you yet?
Nah, why...you think he should?
What's Mike's position on anal? This could provide clues on any proposal.
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Nah, why...you think he should? :)
sure! you two fit like a bolt and a nut. ;D
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sure! you two fit like a bolt and a nut. ;D
never quiet heard it like that, but I guess you are right. ;D
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never quiet heard it like that, but I guess you are right. ;D
i'm glad you didn't say that you wondered who was the nut. ;) ;D ;D ;D
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i'm glad you didn't say that you wondered who was the nut. ;) ;D ;D ;D
HA! I already know who the nut is. ;)
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Also if there's any possibility of scat it might move things along. Might be worth keeping as a wild card if he gets cold feet.
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Also if there's any possibility of scat it might move things along. Might be worth keeping as a wild card if he gets cold feet.
can you sneak a camera in? 8)
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scat?
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scat?
no, please not.
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no, please not.
What is it? I'm lost. I thought it was a card game, lol.
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What is it? I'm lost. I thought it was a card game, lol.
no, that's something else.
ask pumpster, he was asking for it in the first place anyways. :-[
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no, that's something else.
ask pumpster, he was asking for it in the first place anyways. :-[
I don't think I will, it doesn't sound good. lol
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I don't thing I will, it doesn't sound good. lol
good girl.
Hey Mike, come on, don't leave her waiting!
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good girl.
Hey Mike, come on, don't leave her waiting!
lol
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Thanks for your reply gh15. I think i'll be joining the dark side within the next year.
I've been doing deads/squats/bench for a few years and lately the numbers have been going up again (result of a proper diet) and i should be able to pull 4 plates a side on deads within the next year so that'll be another benchmark for having feel like i "earned" the right to hit the needle.
As for the first cycle, what's your opinion on low dosing the first one? I know a typical newbie cycle is 500mg test e or c, jumpstarted with dbol at 40mg for the first 4-5 weeks but i was thinking of starting low, at maybe 300 or 350mg/week test. I'm thinking 150mg e3d of test cyp(works out to 350/week) for 12 weeks, front-loaded with dbol for 20mg/day, 25, 30, 30 for the first 4 weeks. I figure that would be a good way to figure out how my body reacts.
I was also gonna run the typicall clomid/nolva PCT combo (100, 50, 50/40,30,20). Is that overkill for such a low-dose cycle? Should i add in some HCG? PCT is where i get kinda confused; one day i hear product Z is the best thing for getting your levels back, next week it's Product Y, and product Z is said to cause you to eat babies and cry all day.
Thanks again.
Do NOT join the "dark side" unless you want to destroy yourself. If you wanna keep good body with real muscle as you age, and your ethics, stay off the chemicals pal. Listen to what Bill Pearl said. You cannot expect to put shit in your body and expect it to respond properly over the years by disrespecting it.
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Do NOT join the "dark side" unless you want to destroy yourself. If you wanna keep good body with real muscle as you age, and your ethics, stay off the chemicals pal. Listen to what Bill Pearl said. You cannot expect to put shit in your body and expect it to respond properly over the years by disrespecting it.
NICE!!