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Can the problems of bodybuilding be explained by hormones and insecurity? Most all these guys have test levels 500 times greater than your average 16 year old.Hell they act like they are 16 most of the time. Also some have mental issues to put themselves through the massive drug use and diuretic use for nothing.
Bodybuilding always lends itself to obsessive compulsive people who notice every tiny detail and imperfection. Who will take it to any level to "fix" a problem.
My question is, is bodybuilding such a mess due to the drug abuse and obsessive mentality it promots?
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bodybuilders are the most insecure people on earth.
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Read the book 'Muscle: Confessions of an Unlikely Bodybuilder'.........Great outlook on bodybuilding...
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bodybuilders are the most insecure people on earth.
100 percent true.....
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bodybuilders are the most insecure people on earth.
I concur. That is why we bodybuild. We're all sick.
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I think bodybuilders take insecurity to a new level. Hell, everyone works out to look better. Be more appealing to the opposite sex. But what the hell drives a guy to take so much shit he distorts his body permanently. Like drug addicts almost. Enough is just never enough. I feel alot of these guys would be life time addicts if they did not bodybuild.
Dont even get me started on the women. They have some serious problems to distort themselves like they do.
An industry based on ALOT of people with problems like this can never grow?
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bodybuilders are the most insecure people on earth.
Thats like saying all blacks are in gangs,all mexicans are lazy ect ect.I'm sure allot of people are insecure but to say bb are the most is wrong.Ask yourself why do you train are you insecure with yourself.I'm not insecure Ive always been active in sports i just fell into bb and never looked back whats wrong with that,true I'm compulsive about some things but not insecure..
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Thats like saying all blacks are in gangs,all mexicans are lazy ect ect.I'm sure allot of people are insecure but to say bb are the most is wrong.Ask yourself why do you train are you insecure with yourself.I'm not insecure Ive always been active in sports i just fell into bb and never looked back whats wrong with that,true I'm compulsive about some things but not insecure..
You are the minority. Bodybuilders are ultra insecure. Not all. But most.
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I think bodybuilders take insecurity to a new level. Hell, everyone works out to look better. Be more appealing to the opposite sex. But what the hell drives a guy to take so much shit he distorts his body permanently. Like drug addicts almost. Enough is just never enough. I fell alot of these guys would be life time addicts if they did not bodybuild.
Some of the greatest have gone down that road Bro..Quadzilla is the main one I think about when someone talks about bodybuilding and addictions....I was sad to see him never get control over his addiction... Paul DeMayo for those of you that don't know his AKA...
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Thats like saying all blacks are in gangs,all mexicans are lazy ect ect.I'm sure allot of people are insecure but to say bb are the most is wrong.Ask yourself why do you train are you insecure with yourself.I'm not insecure Ive always been active in sports i just fell into bb and never looked back whats wrong with that,true I'm compulsive about some things but not insecure..
i admit that i'm a little insecure, with my structure i'd be small as fucck if i didn't bodybuild, but i'm talking about these clowns who take every drug known to man and insulin, those guys are insanely insecure.
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Some of the greatest have gone down that road Bro..Quadzilla is the main one I think about when someone talks about bodybuilding and addictions....I was sad to see him never get control over his addiction...
Good point.... Look at guys like munzer. Melting his own kidney. Prince, Flex, Long and all the other guys who knew they where killing themselves but continued. Hell, Long competed again!
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yeah i know i'm sick too ;D
well when you see results you become addicted
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i admit that i'm a little insecure, with my structure i'd be small as fucck if i didn't bodybuild, but i'm talking about these clowns who take every drug known to man and insulin, those guys are insanely insecure.
I agree. All guys who work out are a bit insecure. To a normal extent. But most pros are well beyond this point.
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my roomate has a mercedes. he has to work his ass of to afford it. the rest of his money goes to buying expensive clothes and shit like that. personally, i could care less about material things. but i do invest a lot of time and effort on my body. now who is the insecure person? i dont think a bodybuilder is Any more insecure than an average person.
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I have been into bodybuilding since I was 12...When I was around 18 I got into it fulltime because I loved to see how I could improve my body month to month...I seen it as sculpting my body rather than being insecure...Because I have never done it for anyone else other than myself...
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i admit that i'm a little insecure, with my structure i'd be small as fucck if i didn't bodybuild, but i'm talking about these clowns who take every drug known to man and insulin, those guys are insanely insecure.
Im sure to a degree yes i agree with you,wow did i says i agree with you,anyway
theres a ton who start training because in school or at home they were told your not good enough and this was there vice for getting everyone to notice them.
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If you read some of the pros on here one thing becomes apparent. Regardless of what type of physique they possess they may still have the maturity or mental development of a child. Same with professional athletes in other sports. I'd say most of them who go to great lengths abusing drugs etc. do suffer from insecurity, obsessive compulsive traits, and perhaps body dysmorphia. Look at what Greg Valentino and Derek Anthony have done to themselves. Are these the actions of people who are healthy in mind and spirit and wish to exercise for health benefits or are these extremely insecure individuals seeking validation in "big" muscles?
Some people who bodybuild have the right idea. They are extremely secure and confident and bodybuild as a way of perfecting the physical aspect of life. Training the muscles etc. has a great benefit in the functioning of the body. These people also address other areas such as sound mental health, relationships and so forth. Unfortunately, people doing it for the right reasons seem to be few and far between when it comes to the competitive level of extreme bodybuilding. Sorry for the long post.
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my roomate has a mercedes. he has to work his ass of to afford it. the rest of his money goes to buying expensive clothes and shit like that. personally, i could care less about material things. but i do invest a lot of time and effort on my body. now who is the insecure person? i dont think a bodybuilder is Any more insecure than an average person.
You are correct. That would be considered normal. What I am refering to is how most pros take it to the extreme. Distorting there bodys for life. Taking massive doses of drugs. That is more a sign of mental problems or severe insecurity.
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If you read some of the pros on here one thing becomes apparent. Regardless of what type of physique they possess they may still have the maturity or mental development of a child. Same with professional athletes in other sports. I'd say most of them who go to great lengths abusing drugs etc. do suffer from insecurity, obessive compulsive traits, and perhaps body dysmorphia. Look at what Greg Valentino and Derek Anthony have done to themselves. Are these the actions of people who are healthy in mind and spirit and wish to exercise for health benefits or are these extremely insecure individuals seeking validation in "big" muscles?
Some people who bodybuild have the right idea. They are extremely secure and confident and bodybuild as a way of perfecting the physical aspect of life. Training the muscles etc. has a great benefit in the functioning of the body. These people also address other areas such as sound mental health, relationships and so forth. Unfortunately, people doing it for the right reasons seem to be few and far between when it comes to the competitive level of extreme bodybuilding. Sorry for the long post.
you're exactly right, it always amazes me how easy it is to get a "pro" to meltdown, one comment about an undersized bodypart, some gay for pay rumor, drug use, weak training program and they go absolutely apeshit, i think i've made almost every pro meltdown at one time or another, it's as easy as shooting fish in a barell, it makes you wonder if they're like that in real life, if that's the case most of them will see a jail cell at one point in their life.
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If you read some of the pros on here one thing becomes apparent. Regardless of what type of physique they possess they may still have the maturity or mental development of a child. Same with professional athletes in other sports. I'd say most of them who go to great lengths abusing drugs etc. do suffer from insecurity, obsessive compulsive traits, and perhaps body dysmorphia. Look at what Greg Valentino and Derek Anthony have done to themselves. Are these the actions of people who are healthy in mind and spirit and wish to exercise for health benefits or are these extremely insecure individuals seeking validation in "big" muscles?
Some people who bodybuild have the right idea. They are extremely secure and confident and bodybuild as a way of perfecting the physical aspect of life. Training the muscles etc. has a great benefit in the functioning of the body. These people also address other areas such as sound mental health, relationships and so forth. Unfortunately, people doing it for the right reasons seem to be few and far between when it comes to the competitive level of extreme bodybuilding. Sorry for the long post.
Great post... If a person bodybuilds to further there health and strenthen there body and mind that is what it is all about. But how many guys would you see in the gym if women did not care about a man being in shape. Or if that was not considered the male ideal? Not many people woprk out for the reason you posted above or for the love of it. It is all about the pussy. Which is fine. But we have to be honest! This post does not include athletes who train for there sport.
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You are correct. That would be considered normal. What I am refering to is how most pros take it to the extreme. Distorting there bodys for life. Taking massive doses of drugs. That is more a sign of mental problems or severe insecurity.
Yes but in order to compete thats a requirement.more drugs :-[
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you're exactly right, it always amazes me how easy it is to get a "pro" to meltdown, one comment about an undersized bodypart, some gay for pay rumor, drug use, weak training program and they go absolutely apeshit, i think i've made almost every pro meltdown at one time or another, it's as easy as shooting fish in a barell, it makes you wonder if they're like that in real life, if that's the case most of them will see a jail cell at one point in their life.
Isn't it a true definition of insecurity to try to get others to "meltdown" over the internet and be proud of it??? LoL...I am not trying to offend ya Bro, but that is a true definition lol...
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Yes but in order to compete thats a requirement.more drugs :-[
Right, but at what point does one realize they are killing themselves. Or changing there physical features to cartoon like proportions. One would think a person would see this?
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Right, but at what point does one realize they are killing themselves. Or changing there physical features to cartoon like proportions. One would think a person would see this?
Its just like any addict will tell ya...You never know when enough is enough...There is no realization to it Bro...
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Right, but at what point does one realize they are killing themselves. Or changing there physical features to cartoon like proportions. One would think a person would see this?
They'll see it as soon as judges start awarding 1st place to people with aesthetic physiques who aren't loaded to the gills with slin and GH.
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Isn't it a true definition of insecurity to try to get others to "meltdown" over the internet and be proud of it??? LoL...I am not trying to offend ya Bro, but that is a true definition lol...
most of the time i'm doing it to prove a point about how mentally weak and unstable these guys are, can you imagine John Grimek, Steve Reeves, Clancy Ross, Arnold, Sergio or any of the past greats going insane over one little comment? of course not, that's because they didn't rely 100 percent on drugs and other "goodies" to build their physiques and they were mentally healthier because of it.
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anything for the Sandow, by any fcuking means necessary ;D ;D, even it destroys us, at least we know we're going to hell in styles ;D
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most of the time i'm doing it to prove a point about how mentally weak and unstable these guys are, can you imagine John Grimek, Steve Reeves, Clancy Ross, Arnold, Sergio or any of the past greats going insane over one little comment? of course not, that's because they didn't rely 100 percent on drugs and other "goodies" to build their physiques and they were mentally healthier because of it.
And who are you proving your point to??? And if you say everyone or the pros, what makes you think they wanted to know what your point was in the first place???....I am only trying to get to the bottom of why you really feel the need to make your points LoL....
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Back in the days of Arnold and co they seemed to train for the love of it. Had physical health in mind. Spent alot of time outside. Seemed to blend into the normal population. In PI you see Robbie and Waller out tossing the football around to warm up. I could never see Ronnie and Jay waddling out and tossing a ball around for a few hours.
They where laid back. Looked great. Lived the lifestyle but also worked hard for a living.
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Back in the days of Arnold and co they seemed to train for the love of it. Had physical health in mind. Spent alot of time outside. Seemed to blend into the normal population. In PI you see Robbie and Waller out tossing the football around to warm up. I could never see Ronnie and Jay waddling out and tossing a ball around for a few hours.
exactly, Robbie and Waller looked incredible in that scene, huge but not so much that it's just ridiculous.
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exactly, Robbie and Waller looked incredible in that scene, huge but not so much that it's just ridiculous.
I was just messin with ya earlier Bro LoL...At least you make points unlike Alexx and Shadow lol.....
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And who are you proving your point to??? And if you say everyone or the pros, what makes you think they wanted to know what your point was in the first place???....I am only trying to get to the bottom of why you really feel the need to make your points LoL....
everyone has a right to there point of view good or bad,if hes trying to make a valid point without being an ass let it slide.sars in my opinion he does make valid points when hes serious about a topic..
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My question is, is bodybuilding such a mess due to the drug abuse and obsessive mentality it promots?
Yes. Absolute yes.
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everyone has a right to there point of view good or bad,if hes trying to make a valid point without being an ass let it slide.sars in my opinion he does make valid points when hes serious about a topic..
See post above yours LoL...
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exactly, Robbie and Waller looked incredible in that scene, huge but not so much that it's just ridiculous.
I always forget to mention Waller when I talk about what I think to be the perfect physique.
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exactly, Robbie and Waller looked incredible in that scene, huge but not so much that it's just ridiculous.
I think big lou had allot of insecurities but it wasn't because of drug use,listen i believe we all have hang ups as regular guys who train,but we dont take it over the limit of self destruction,Even some pros are level headed the same could be said for most things football, baseball,a pro ball player wants to be better ''fix'' drugs same with football.The only difference is with bb its excessive..
The real question is do we all turn to bb and or drugs because of our insecurities,Then does it manifest into something even worse..
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I think big lou had allot of insecurities but it wasn't because of drug use,listen i believe we all have hang ups as regular guys who train,but we dont take it over the limit of self destruction,Even some pros are level headed the same could be said for most things football, baseball,a pro ball player wants to be better ''fix'' drugs same with football.The only difference is with bb its excessive..
The real question is do we all turn to bb and or drugs because of our insecurities,Then does it manifest into something even worse..
A guy like Prince just cannot be all there. To drive yourself to kidney failure then to try to compete again is insanity.
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A guy like Prince just cannot be all there. To drive yourself to kidney failure then to try to compete again is insanity.
The definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results...
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I'm not insecure. 8)
Am I? ??? ??? ???
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I'm not insecure. 8)
Am I? ??? ??? ???
haha, no problem, just up the dosage!
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I'm not insecure. 8)
Am I? ??? ??? ???
put it this way if everyone around you tells you your big and when you look in the mirror and you see screech from saved by the bell...
You have a problem..
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put it this way if everyone around you tells you your big and when you look in the mirror and you see screech from saved by the bell...
You have a problem..
Hahaha...Good description and oh so true for many guys lol....
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Ya true. Why does this happen though?
Some form of mental illness coming to surface...Why do you think cosmetic surgery is ever increasing??? Now if that doesn't show insecurities I don't know what does....
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Ya true. Why does this happen though?
Or if you read on the internet you are distorting your body then pass it off like it is nothing, or rumors. It is not like we are just saying it to be dicks to these guys.
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Can the problems of bodybuilding be explained by hormones and insecurity? Most all these guys have test levels 500 times greater than your average 16 year old.Hell they act like they are 16 most of the time. Also some have mental issues to put themselves through the massive drug use and diuretic use for nothing.
Bodybuilding always lends itself to obsessive compulsive people who notice every tiny detail and imperfection. Who will take it to any level to "fix" a problem.
My question is, is bodybuilding such a mess due to the drug abuse and obsessive mentality it promots?
You know, there is a section for Titus related subjects elsewhere on this site...
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It seems to me to be like anorexia. Poor self image. You think there is an ideal out there. And you will "hurt" yourself to become it. But there isn't an ideal outside of your imagination. Even the greats had flaws.
I got into BB because I had to lose a lot of weight. As I was doing it I started to notice some cuts in my arms and legs. This led me to want to experiment with really changing my physique. If I can get myself into good enough shape to step onstage once then I will have accomplished what I wanted. At that point I can maintain it and go on with other things in life like starting a family, etc.
I think obsession and drive can lead to a great many things as can competition. But I think when the drive gets in the way of what you're promoting you've got problems.
In my opinion having a "drug free" world class physique should be about healthy living. Showing the world what exercise, diet and determination can do. Exalting the beauty of the human body with its size and lines. Muscularity signals healthyness on a genetic level with both sexes. Bad posture, bad skin and bad attitude tend to signal weakness and unhealthiness which puts us off reproducing with them. Just the biology of it. So to strive to present and be healthy and vigorous, I feel, is a noble one. But is that what Pro BB is? What values to Pro BB'ers present? What does the idea of 'whatever it takes' really mean and translate to? Are we not seeing how modern PRo BB has been distanced from the 'mainstream' world?
Other sports:
When I see guys like TO in football it makes me sick. To have such phenomenal talent at something and a poor attitude kills me. And I think it distorts what should be the message of games; skill, drive, courage, teamwork and SPORTSMANSHIP! The fundementals of competition is one of the biggest lesson a human can learn. To give it a positive imprint can have huge sociological consequences later...as can negative imprints. Another example of the drive distorting the end product. I think its endemic of American culture which seems to strive to create "icons" that are so far from what the average person can achieve that it reinforces the feeling that they should just stay home, watch TV, get fat, take this or that medicine, pay your taxes, do as your told. This seems to me to be where we want the American ruling class wants them to be...and where they appear to be.
If we had "icons" that stressed the fundementals of whatever profession they choose, you might see people getting more motivated about life in general. That motivation might make them more "secure" with themselves and lessen the self-destructive behavior that seems to be the norm, these days.
Isn't that what we really look for in a leader?
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