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fuck the police..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061126/ap_on_re_us/police_shooting
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f**k the police..
You just don't like them because they arrested you for propositioning that 13-year-old.
Lucky for you they let you go because they felt sorry for you for being such a loser she turned you down.
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seems like every week now we have a new story of excessive police violence.
i am sure some spineless people will argue that trigger happy cops make for a happy society... but to me, it seems like officers are using less restraint and firing the moment they believe they can legally get away with it.
The tazer incidents, the fact the Tampa guy was shot 62 times cause "that's all the bullets we had", the 92-year old grandma, the UCLA incident... I guess it'll take 3 or 4 incidents a week til anyone gives a shit.
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seems like every week now we have a new story of excessive police violence.
i am sure some spineless people will argue that trigger happy cops make for a happy society... but to me, it seems like officers are using less restraint and firing the moment they believe they can legally get away with it.
The tazer incidents, the fact the Tampa guy was shot 62 times cause "that's all the bullets we had", the 92-year old grandma, the UCLA incident... I guess it'll take 3 or 4 incidents a week til anyone gives a shit.
No police officers shoot anyone where I live. Now I am close to Pontiac, Flint, and Detroit and of course those cities are different stories. However, I am far enough away to not give a fuck what the police do in those cities, or any other cities for that matter. And the UCLA guy deserved what he got imo.
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No police officers shoot anyone where I live. Now I am close to Pontiac, Flint, and Detroit and of course those cities are different stories. However, I am far enough away to not give a f**k what the police do in those cities, or any other cities for that matter. And the UCLA guy deserved what he got imo.
You know, Jewish people in Germany used to laugh at their neighbors who were carted off to concentration camps. "Long as it's not me!"
Well, eventually the problem did come to their door. And if we allow police to abuse powers in poor neighborhoods in the middle of the night, it won't be long until it's the nice neighborhoods in broad daylight.
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You know, Jewish people in Germany used to laugh at their neighbors who were carted off to concentration camps. "Long as it's not me!"
Well, eventually the problem did come to their door. And if we allow police to abuse powers in poor neighborhoods in the middle of the night, it won't be long until it's the nice neighborhoods in broad daylight.
I disagree on that one. I think in general police officers do what need to be done, sure there are bad ones, but like I said I have never had problems with them. Even when I went to jail, I was never even arrested, just got a ticket and was told to appear in court. Every officer I dealt with was polite from initial ticket to my last day in work release. They also work hard for shit pay.
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I disagree on that one. I think in general police officers do what need to be done, sure there are bad ones, but like I said I have never had problems with them. Even when I went to jail, I was never even arrested, just got a ticket and was told to appear in court. Every officer I dealt with was polite from initial ticket to my last day in work release. They also work hard for shit pay.
You had a good experience, then. The asshole-police stigma didn't come out of thin air. There are a lot of cops who do abuse their power. You are a well-to-do white male, right? Try being poor or a minority, or from a bad area, you will not receive the same treatment.
When you see a man in handcuffs dying after being taxed for 6 minutes - doesn't that strike you as unnecessary?
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You had a good experience, then. The asshole-police stigma didn't come out of thin air. There are a lot of cops who do abuse their power. You are a well-to-do white male, right? Try being poor or a minority, or from a bad area, you will not receive the same treatment.
When you see a man in handcuffs dying after being taxed for 6 minutes - doesn't that strike you as unnecessary?
Yes, I am white. My point is that my experiences have been good and I hate the filth that roams the street, so if they get killed, so be it. I don't wish harm on any innocent person, but who am I to make that distinction? I am just like those jewish neighbors you referred to I guess, if it doesn't affect me, I don't really care.
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Yes, I am white. My point is that my experiences have been good and I hate the filth that roams the street, so if they get killed, so be it. I don't wish harm on any innocent person, but who am I to make that distinction? I am just like those jewish neighbors you referred to I guess, if it doesn't affect me, I don't really care.
"filth that roams the street" - can you define who you mean?
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"filth that roams the street" - can you define who you mean?
pan handlers mainly ;)
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Although I am a big supporter of police officers as I've said in the past, this story honestly looks similar to one of those fatal police brutality situations like the one with that street vender who got killed in 1999 by 41 bullets.
This story looks like it might be hateful excessive racism ???
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This little known policy might help to shed a bit of light on how police officers develop some of their community relations skills early in their careers :-\
Day 1 for deputies: Go to jail
By Robin Fields and Stuart Pfeifer, Times Staff Writers
November 25, 2006
DEPUTY Norma Silva leads a line of inmates down a long corridor.
The air smells stale. Sunlight slants through the window slits above her head, drawing hash marks on the concrete floor in front of her.
Silva has put in almost two years at North County Correctional Facility, a massive 3,400-bed jail in Castaic. She barely needs a backward glance to catch her charges flashing gang hand signals.
"Keep looking forward, gentlemen," she says, not breaking stride. "No talking. Hands in your pockets."
Like almost everyone else who joins the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, Silva aspires to be a cop, not a jailer. But so far, jailer is her role.
All new L.A. County deputies start their careers this way. Plunged into a strange, predatory world, they endure conditions most of them never conceived of before joining the force.
Deputies have been punched, slashed, spit on and "gassed" — doused with urine, feces or blood — by inmates. They are exposed to squalor and disease. In recent years, they have had to work so much overtime that a miniature trailer park has sprung up in the jail's parking lot, where about a dozen officers sleep on any given day.
Sheriff's executives say this harsh initiation gives rookies a graduate education in criminal behavior, molding them into streetwise, poised police.
"It is truly the foundation of being a good cop," Assistant Sheriff Paul Tanaka said. "When you get out on the street, you are far better prepared than if you just graduated from the academy."
Yet agency watchdogs have long feared that the jail environment is so corrosive that it is liable, as county special counsel James G. Kolts wrote in a 1992 report, to "turn any young, inexperienced man or woman into a cynical authoritarian ready to harass, intimidate, bully and physically punish any person who does not immediately follow orders."
More than a decade ago, the Sheriff's Department set the goal of limiting jail rotations to no more than two years.
Until a recent hiring surge, however, terms had stretched up to seven years, matching the longest they had ever been. Many blamed the extended tours for causing unprecedented attrition. More than 200 custody division deputies have left the department for other law enforcement agencies since 2003.
At least five California counties have concluded that it is wiser, and in some cases cheaper, to use civilians or specialized officers to guard inmates.
Experts have urged L.A. County to do the same, but Tanaka said the Sheriff's Department remains convinced that here, where the jails have become more akin to state prisons, the job requires skills that only deputies, with their training as peace officers, possess.
Silva figures she has another year and a half until her transfer to patrol. She is not impatient, she said, though even her best days at the jail have a grinding sameness. Her worst, like Feb. 4, when the jail erupted in deadly race riots, are a scary blur.
On this Monday in July, Silva drops off her line of inmates to be bused downtown, then picks up a doleful pair who have just lost coveted posts at the jailhouse laundry. One confesses that he was caught sleeping on the job.
Arriving back at a guard station, she chugs bottled water, then catches sight of a mountainous, tattooed inmate in a dormitory 20 yards away. She pulls her flashlight from her belt and points it into his eyes.
"Put your shirt on," she said, flicking the light on and off. He does.
"You can't let them get away with giving you attitude," she said. "Then you lose that little bit of control you need."
SILVA is among nearly 2,000 deputies who staff the county jail system, the nation's largest and, arguably, toughest.
They guard an inmate population that averages 18,000. Most by far are awaiting trial on charges of violent felonies. Staff-to-inmate ratios can be as lopsided as 1 to 10. The national average, calculated in a 1999 national jail census, is 1 to 4.3.
In an environment rife with what they caustically call the "inmate funk," jail deputies have contracted staph infections, meningitis and encephalitis. Anti-bacterial soap dispensers dot the walls. Visitors receive stern warnings not to touch anything.
Silva works in the jail's 700 Building as what's called a prowler, roaming its two floors and assisting other deputies with a variety of tasks.
Her responsibilities put her in near-constant motion. Less than two hours into Monday's shift, she has hustled four sets of inmates into or out of the jail — to court, to other jails, to medical facilities — methodically barking out names and matching ID numbers.
Shuttling among the building's 16 two-tiered dormitories, which house about 65 men apiece, she has plodded through the shift's first head count.
Count finally reconciled, Silva and her crew launch into a search of Dorm 726. Male deputies order the inmates to put their hands on their heads and march single-file into a nearby day room. There, they are told to strip and bend over. On the count of three, they cough in unison.
"Looking down people's butt holes isn't in the recruitment video," Senior Deputy John Melville noted dryly.
Silva and the other female deputies rummage through inmates' belongings, looking for contraband.
She yanks up a mattress, running a gloved finger underneath a metal bed frame to feel for razor blades, then leafs through a stack of mail. In the past, she has found greeting cards dipped in methamphetamine and rolls of pot inside letters.
Silva, 35, joined the Sheriff's Department after more than a decade working at an East Los Angeles graphic arts company, selling brochures to car dealerships. Single with no children, she saw law enforcement as an adventure. She said she felt a rush when she went on ride-alongs with sheriff's deputies at the department's Industry station.
"They took the bad guys away," she said.
She looked the jails over carefully before applying to the Sheriff's Department. Tall and athletic, she did not find them intimidating, she said. At first, however, their unnerving reality outstripped her expectations.
"My first three days or so, I was so overwhelmed," she said. "They gave me my keys and radio and told me I would be letting the inmates out. I had to pause for a minute and say, 'Wait, I let them out?' "
Silva soon absorbed the language of the jails, where inmates are "fish," whites are "woods" and transfers who turn up at the North County Correctional Facility when they shouldn't are "stolen bodies."
She saw the ritualized way of life inmates create for themselves, always ordered by race. Pay phones are marked as black or Latino by the way the receiver hangs. Crossing in front of the wrong day room table, onto another group's turf, can trigger a confrontation.
Inmates were happy to talk to her about how and why they committed their crimes. Their claims of innocence, or that drug addiction forced them into desperate acts, often made her less sympathetic, though, not more.
"I don't have compassion for inmates," she said. "They're here because they caused pain to somebody."
For some, the "Groundhog Day" repetition of jail duty saps morale and motivation.
"Custody ruins people," said another deputy at the jail, where he has been stationed for more than five years. "You sit around. You become stagnant. Sometimes you get lazy."
Silva said going on department-sanctioned ride-alongs in her off hours helps combat the sense that she is marking time. She feels a quiet satisfaction, she said, when her part of the jail works as it should.
Tossing Dorm 726 took the better part of an hour.
By the end, knee-high piles of forbidden items cover the floor: loose blades, stashes of extra linen, pictures of women in their underwear, bags of fruit and bread that inmates save to make an alcoholic brew called pruno.
Deputies say they try to search at least one dorm per shift.
Silva looks at the mess.
"Sometimes," she said, "I feel like the cleaning lady."
VIOLENCE is a constant backdrop to Silva's work, so commonplace she no longer gives it much thought.
Her radio buzzes intermittently with traffic about 415s, altercations somewhere in the jail. Most are "inmate only" — there were 614 inmate-on-inmate assaults at the jail in 2005, more than twice as many as in 2000.
The alerts Silva has come to dread are "deputy involved." Inmate attacks on the jail's staff have almost tripled since 2000 and average about 30 a year. In the summer of 2005, an inmate swung a broom handle, baseball-bat style, into a deputy's head, fracturing his skull.
So far, Silva has been spared. Still, she said, she has learned to see even the most innocuous-looking objects and people as potential threats.
Assaults can inflict as much damage on deputies' psyches as on their bodies.
"It's humiliating," said a deputy who was once drenched in urine hurled by an inmate. "Imagine walking down a row of inmates with excrement running down your face and they're yelling and taunting you. They know they have hepatitis. They know they have AIDS. They aim for an open area — your nose, your eyes, your mouth."
Deputies can come to see inflicting force of their own as the only way to survive, he added.
"If you scream and run away, they know they've got you," said the deputy, a hulking weightlifter who declined to give his name for publication for fear that his frankness would prompt discipline. "Anybody gasses me, they know they're going to get beat up. Simple as that."
Roger Clark, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff's lieutenant, said it is inevitable that some deputies take this hardened mind-set with them when they become patrol officers.
"When you're in a system for years that dehumanizes, how can you be expected to treat anyone differently when you go to the streets?" he said. "It becomes a muscle memory response."
Knowing that their seemingly controlled surroundings can dissolve into chaos at any moment leaves the jail's staffers tense.
In the months before the February riots, disturbances broke out weekly in 700 Building. Silva learned to recognize signs that a fight was coming. An eerie stillness. The sound of running.
"All of a sudden a dorm would split in half," she said, Latinos on one side, blacks on the other. "And then it's like two waves crashing."
Silva was on duty Feb. 4 when she heard the call come through about a fight in Dorm 711. She and the other prowlers ran to the unit and sprayed it with Clear Out, similar to tear gas. As the inmates calmed down, Silva caught movement out of the corner of her eye.
"I turned around and I realized all the dorms were fighting," she said. Later, she helped carry away the body of an inmate beaten to death.
Since then, the jail has stayed relatively tranquil, even when waves of violence have hit other parts of the system.
At 9:30 p.m., half an hour before her shift ends, Silva sinks into a chair at a guard station. Feet finally still, her eyes continue making a weary circuit around the nearby dorms as the inmates prepare for bed.
What she sees of the jails' harshest side, she keeps to herself.
"My friends and family, I never talk about what happens at work with them," she said. "I don't need them to worry more than they already do."
AT 6:30 the next morning, Silva is back at the jail. Actually, she's been there half an hour, delaying the start of her day because the deputies' union contract prohibits working full double shifts on consecutive days.
"I feel like I just left here," she said, yawning, as she straps a stun gun around her right thigh.
She tucks the lunch she's brought from home in the refrigerator. Other deputies eat in the officers' dining room, their food prepared by inmates. Not Silva.
"I cook my food," she said. "I know what I put in it."
Her week is shaping up in typical fashion: Two shifts on Monday, two on Tuesday, one on Wednesday, two on Thursday, two on Friday, one on Saturday — close to 80 hours on duty, then the next three days off.
Many of the other deputies on her regular shift are back for doubles too, their eyes rimmed with red, their skin more ashy than it was the night before.
Silva, a self-described workaholic, happily volunteers for extra work. The overtime pay is good. About 500 custody deputies — more than one in four — made at least $100,000 in 2005, when overtime hit a peak, county records show; 117 made more than $150,000.
But in periods when department staffing has fallen to its lowest, jail deputies have been compelled to pick up additional shifts, willing or not. At times, supervisors lock the jail gates until they get enough "volunteers" to meet their needs.
Deputies say fatigue puts them at greater risk, leaving them less alert and fraying their patience. Inmates try to take advantage, switching cells, picking fights or pressing for privileges.
"You're either physically tired or mentally tired," said Deputy April Nelsen, starting her 6 a.m. shift at Men's Central Jail by downing a Red Bull.
As Silva heads into her second straight 15-hour-plus day, there's no more good-natured banter as she moves through her usual tasks.
"What don't you guys understand about 'No talking'?" she snapped at three men waiting in a day room for pills from the nurse. She orders another deputy to keep them there, where they can't watch TV or go to other activities, when other inmates return to their dorms.
"They're going to be in there a while," she said, blowing out an exasperated breath.
DEPUTIES' discontent with jail tours has intensified cyclically, whenever the Sheriff's Department has gone through lean times.
Raymond Kress left last year, at the tail end of a hiring freeze that had slowed transfers to patrol to a crawl. After three years at the jail, he was so frustrated that he took a job with the Nevada County Sheriff's Department.
"You're not making a difference, not helping people, which is what most of us got into law enforcement to do," said Kress, honor graduate of his 2002 academy class. "You almost stop caring about the basic community of people."
In the last year, an infusion of county money has spurred hiring and helped shorten jail assignments. Deputies now serve two to four years. Those willing to transfer to the department's least popular patrol stations, such as Palmdale, could spend a year or less in the jails.
It may not stay that way, Tanaka acknowledged.
"We can't force the amount of time served in custody to become shorter," he said. "We can only hope that all the factors fall into place."
Silva is holding out for Century, a busy station with a long waiting list.
So, for now, each day brings more fish lines, more head counts, more dorm searches. She collects a disgruntled inmate who mouthed off during a search and heads for the building for inmates being disciplined.
"Why am I going to the hole?" he asks as Silva leads him away.
She stares straight ahead.
"They test you all day long," she said.
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There is a difference between supporting a strong police force, and blindly ignoring abuses. There can be a middle ground, folks. I think that's where most people stand. We don't support chaos, and we don't support execution of panhandlers (as Danielson jokingly suuggested). There can be a such thing as a courteous, law-abiding police force that still 'don't take no shit'.
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There is a difference between supporting a strong police force, and blindly ignoring abuses. There can be a middle ground, folks. I think that's where most people stand. We don't support chaos, and we don't support execution of panhandlers (as Danielson jokingly suuggested). There can be a such thing as a courteous, law-abiding police force that still 'don't take no shit'.
Do not forget Rob. Most people are sheeps. They want to be told what to believe. They behave like Sushant Kapur.
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Most people are sheeps. They want to be told what to believe.
Isn't it funny that the ones who use the phrases "conspiracy nut", "support police abuses", "patriot act is a good thing", and "Bush has never lied about anything" are typically the least informed on the issues?
My inkling is that many of us who are that way will take the time to get educated, and when we do, we leave this uninformed group.
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Isn't it funny that the ones who use the phrases "conspiracy nut", "support police abuses", "patriot act is a good thing", and "Bush has never lied about anything" are typically the least informed on the issues?
My inkling is that many of us who are that way will take the time to get educated, and when we do, we leave this uninformed group.
Yes! Questioning the established makes them feel insecure. Brutal mass mentality. Instead they try to redicule the people who raises questions. It is ok to be critical of new thoughts, but these people attack any new thoughts that are different from the "accepted". There is a difference between being critical and being agressive.
Debussey knows that groups of human beings are the most irrational of all.
Some brutal quotes:
The important thing is not to stop questioning.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.
All truth passes through three stages: First it is ridiculed. Second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident.
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watching the JFK piece last night was hilarious. Elected officials stood on podiums and told us boldfaced lies which have since been proven untrue.
Knowing that a US President altered the autopsy to reflect a lone gunman, I laughed when they said "it's just silly for those conspiracy nuts to think anything was wrong with the autopsy". (recently declassified docs).
I likened it to 9/11, of course. Seeing Rumsfeld stand on the DoD mic on 9/12/01, mocking anyone who asked "well, where is the plane then?" about the Pentagon hit, as dozens of reporters releatedly asked why there was about one ton of debris for a 125-ton plane. LMAO... History is going to have a field day with the many lies of 9/11.
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watching the JFK piece last night was hilarious. Elected officials stood on podiums and told us boldfaced lies which have since been proven untrue.
Knowing that a US President altered the autopsy to reflect a lone gunman, I laughed when they said "it's just silly for those conspiracy nuts to think anything was wrong with the autopsy". (recently declassified docs).
I likened it to 9/11, of course. Seeing Rumsfeld stand on the DoD mic on 9/12/01, mocking anyone who asked "well, where is the plane then?" about the Pentagon hit, as dozens of reporters releatedly asked why there was about one ton of debris for a 125-ton plane. LMAO... History is going to have a field day with the many lies of 9/11.
Remember Bob Z, in the 60s, manipulating the masses was easy. Today, we have the internet. The gouvernment can not lie today as it did 40 years ago. The internet is to awsome for that.
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Took 40 years for JFK to reach 80% population doubt on the Official Story.
Took 5 years to reach that same level on 9/11.
And the 911 minds on CSPAN last night mentioned some interesting 911 research going on in Europe right now. While anything Hugo or Iran says will be discarded, it's going to be interesting when groups of people, media, and organizations from our European allies start claling for a new investigation.
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Yes, I am white. My point is that my experiences have been good and I hate the filth that roams the street, so if they get killed, so be it. I don't wish harm on any innocent person, but who am I to make that distinction? I am just like those jewish neighbors you referred to I guess, if it doesn't affect me, I don't really care.
The distinction is made for you when an innocent person dies or get seriously injured. And if you don't care, then why bother posting in this topic?
I live in NY and I've seen numerous police abuses. I'm similar to you, in that most cops have been very nice and formal with me. Most officers are nice and work for shitty money. But you can't ignore ego-driven cops that abuse their power on innocent people. Shitty pay and stressful work enviroments are no excuses because they are supposed to protect citizens, not hurt them. Abuses cannot be put under the rug.
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You just don't like them because they arrested you for propositioning that 13-year-old.
Lucky for you they let you go because they felt sorry for you for being such a loser she turned you down.
No, that's normal practise for these devil worshippers. The parents of the bride have to pay in cash, which is demanded more or less by the bridegroom's family. It's forbidden by law, but still this custom is blatantly prevalent in Hindu country.
That's why these monkey worshipping gobi eating illiterate peasants are not to happy when they get a daughter, because of the payment, which they call "dowry."
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The distinction is made for you when an innocent person dies or get seriously injured. And if you don't care, then why bother posting in this topic?
I live in NY and I've seen numerous police abuses. I'm similar to you, in that most cops have been very nice and formal with me. Most officers are nice and work for shitty money. But you can't ignore ego-driven cops that abuse their power on innocent people. Shitty pay and stressful work enviroments are no excuses because they are supposed to protect citizens, not hurt them. Abuses cannot be put under the rug.
did you read the article? The groom alluded to having a gun and then hit a cop with his car. Where was the power abused? and what do you suggest the police do with these pieces of shit who try to kill officers?
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This has even made the news in the UK.
Heads'll roll for this fuck up I bet
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did you read the article? The groom alluded to having a gun and then hit a cop with his car. Where was the power abused? and what do you suggest the police do with these pieces of shit who try to kill officers?
He made a reference to a gun. The police are the one's responsible for instigating the whole incident.
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Okay I hate to write against the grain here but I think you'll find that the guys in question were already under surveillance by the police for firearms and drug offences.
They were visiting a nightclub which was notorious for the same problems. Cops don't just shoot at peopel for the fun of it - beat people up maybe (look at Rodney King) but I've never known a cop just to shoot someone unless they felt their own lives were in threat.
The only reason it's made the news was because one of the dead guys was on his stag night and he was due to get married. If that wasn't the case then it was just be another statistic in American policing. They fucking deserved it if you ask me - several less gangbangers off the street.
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He made a reference to a gun. The police are the one's responsible for instigating the whole incident.
Then he tried to kill a cop by running him over. I agree with BigJ, fuck those assholes, they got what they deserved.
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All truth passes through three stages: First it is ridiculed. Second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident.
:o :o :o {hrmph} How come when I said that 2 yrs ago... I was laughed off the board? ???
It's true... boobies ARE a cloaking device! :-\ :'(
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They were visiting a nightclub which was notorious for the same problems. Cops don't just shoot at peopel for the fun of it - beat people up maybe (look at Rodney King) but I've never known a cop just to shoot someone unless they felt their own lives were in threat.
Often, if police believe that a guy is truly bad, and will likely beat the case, they might be motivated to hope the guy makes a move so they can shoot him. You know the drill. How many times do cop killers get "killed while resisting" compared with any other kinda killer?
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Often, if police believe that a guy is truly bad, and will likely beat the case, they might be motivated to hope the guy makes a move so they can shoot him. You know the drill. How many times do cop killers get "killed while resisting" compared with any other kinda killer?
A little ambiguous 240. Justified shooting in your mind or not?
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f**k the police..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061126/ap_on_re_us/police_shooting
brilliant ::)
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A little ambiguous 240. Justified shooting in your mind or not?
I don't know. But I do know that the trend has seemed to be less and less outrage about incidents in which officers fire 50+ bullets at a man.
I am interested in further details of this case. Also I'd like to see trends of police shooting by year if anyone has them handy. I don't know if the number is up, but outrage is down and it seems like every week we're hearing a story about what seems like excessive force used. You know cops. They deal with the same scumbag five times, maybe the guy makes an overt threat or has something on them... they get some nice motivation to execute the next time the guy gets frisky. I know, some 18 year old kids will say "my dad's a cop and they don't do that", but grow the fuck up :) shit does happen.
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I don't know. But I do know that the trend has seemed to be less and less outrage about incidents in which officers fire 50+ bullets at a man.
I am interested in further details of this case. Also I'd like to see trends of police shooting by year if anyone has them handy. I don't know if the number is up, but outrage is down and it seems like every week we're hearing a story about what seems like excessive force used. You know cops. They deal with the same scumbag five times, maybe the guy makes an overt threat or has something on them... they get some nice motivation to execute the next time the guy gets frisky. I know, some 18 year old kids will say "my dad's a cop and they don't do that", but grow the f**k up :) shit does happen.
In hindsight, do you think that the fellas that got killed maybe shouldn't have been outside a stripclub/drug house starting fights and threatening to shoot people at 4 a.m.? Not too mention attempted murder(yes running over a cop is attempted murder) on a police officer?
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No police officers shoot anyone where I live. Now I am close to Pontiac, Flint, and Detroit and of course those cities are different stories. However, I am far enough away to not give a f**k what the police do in those cities, or any other cities for that matter. And the UCLA guy deserved what he got imo.
People look on the news, see a killing, and say, "Damn blacks, what's their problem?"
People see on the news, some girl was killed AZ in a horrific accident, 1,500 miles away, and say, "Too bad"
But let somebody steal your dog or car, and many of you guys are whining like somebody cut your balls off and pour rubbing acohol on the wound.
Seems like people don't care at all, unless it happens to them.
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In hindsight, do you think that the fellas that got killed maybe shouldn't have been outside a stripclub/drug house starting fights and threatening to shoot people at 4 a.m.? Not too mention attempted murder(yes running over a cop is attempted murder) on a police officer?
Of course. I'm not defending their actions. I'm simply pointing out that in the last few months, there have been a nice pile of incidents which show police will sometimes fire even after the threat is no longer a threat.
The tampa shooting - man hiding in brush showed one hand but not the other. was shot 62 times, and the deputy told MSNBC it was 62 times cause 'that's all the ammo we had'. Justified legally or not, this was an execution.
This shooting - the man was shot 50 times? given what, 4 cops averaging 13 shots each... at what point during the 5 seconds you're firing nonstop do you realize you're firing rounds into a faceless collapsed blob? When you fire an aimed glock 12-15 times in succession - that's a LOT of fucking time and work. I hit the range about once a month and i tells ya... shooting ANYTHING 15 times is a lot of fucking work. In order to maintain your sights, you're going to realize at some point the man is no longer a threat, either slumped, collapsed, or dead on the ground.
I would ask that the police release the shooting video from the dashboard cams, but i'm sure it'll be 'damaged in transport'.
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People look on the news, see a killing, and say, "Damn blacks, what's their problem?"
People see on the news, some girl was killed AZ in a horrific accident, 1,500 miles away, and say, "Too bad"
But let somebody steal your dog or car, and many of you guys are whining like somebody cut your balls off and pour rubbing acohol on the wound.
Seems like people don't care at all, unless it happens to them.
I don't try to kill police officers either. Or hang out in Queens at 4 in the morning threatening to shoot people, did you even read the article? You are right though, I don't care that they got killed.
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BTW... this is the point where i would say "well, let's release those 1 to 3 dashboard cams, and let's see that 1) They id'd themselves as police, and 2) the shooting was justified.
And, some neocon sheeple will say "We don't need the video - we have the policeman's word".
please, someone say it lol...
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BTW... this is the point where i would say "well, let's release those 1 to 3 dashboard cams, and let's see that 1) They id'd themselves as police, and 2) the shooting was justified.
And, some neocon sheeple will say "We don't need the video - we have the policeman's word".
please, someone say it lol...
I trust a policeman over a pos thug hanging out at a drug den at 4 in the morning. As soon as they tried to MURDER an undercover cop, they were fucked. Thats the way it is, if you try to kill a cop, you get smoked, it's like that everywhere, I just don't see why anyone is surprised?
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I trust a policeman over a pos thug hanging out at a drug den at 4 in the morning. As soon as they tried to MURDER an undercover cop, they were fucked. Thats the way it is, if you try to kill a cop, you get smoked, it's like that everywhere, I just don't see why anyone is surprised?
Do you think they should release the video?
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Of course those guys were out of line for making reference to a gun and ramming a Police car. As someone who lives in Queens, let me tell you that tension between blacks/hispanics and the police is pretty high. Cops trying to instigate shit and being trigger friendly isn't helping the situation.
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Do you think they should release the video?
sure.
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In hindsight, do you think that the fellas that got killed maybe shouldn't have been outside a stripclub/drug house starting fights and threatening to shoot people at 4 a.m.? Not too mention attempted murder(yes running over a cop is attempted murder) on a police officer?
HA.... Nothing.... You should see a redneck wedding in Wyoming... The police won't come even if they are called. Smurt!
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Of course those guys were out of line for making reference to a gun and ramming a Police car. As someone who lives in Queens, let me tell you that tension between blacks/hispanics and the police is pretty high. Cops trying to instigate shit and being trigger friendly isn't helping the situation.
Why do you live in Queens? I heard it was a real shithole.
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You just don't like them because they arrested you for propositioning that 13-year-old.
Lucky for you they let you go because they felt sorry for you for being such a loser she turned you down.
hahahha
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Why do you live in Queens? I heard it was a real shithole.
Better than Michigan. Queens is a big place, so there's shitholes and nice neighborhoods.
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Better than Michigan. Queens is a big place, so there's shitholes and nice neighborhoods.
It can't be that big, isn't NYC only like 8 miles long? And your kind would love a certain city in Michigan, trust me.
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You just don't like them because they arrested you for propositioning that 13-year-old.
Lucky for you they let you go because they felt sorry for you for being such a loser she turned you down.
LOL so funny
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i live not to far from where this happened but i live in a ''white'' area of queens
white in queens means no blacks live here lol !
but anyhow that place was a hotbed for action for years and the cops where looking to take control of the area for good
the main reason that guy was killed was pure and simple he was BLACK ! and alot of cops including black cops a very afraid
of a black male and i cant say i blame them if you look at the government crime stats !
so even if your a good guy just minding his own business being black can be dangerous on new york city streets !
having said that i support the cops because when some lowlife cock sucker is trying to rob and kill me of my family
i know i can call on the nypd and for the most part i trust them !
however i still keep a gun lol ! just i case ::)
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i live not to far from where this happened but i live in a ''white'' area of queens
white in queens means no blacks live here lol !
but anyhow that place was a hotbed for action for years and the cops where looking to take control of the area for good
the main reason that guy was killed was pure and simple he was BLACK ! and alot of cops including black cops a very afraid
of a black male and i cant say i blame them if you look at the government crime stats !
so even if your a good guy just minding his own business being black can be dangerous on new york city streets !
having said that i support the cops because when some lowlife cock sucker is trying to rob and kill me of my family
i know i can call on the nypd and for the most part i trust them !
however i still keep a gun lol ! just i case ::)
So you like bacon?
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I trust a policeman over a pos thug hanging out at a drug den at 4 in the morning. As soon as they tried to MURDER an undercover cop, they were fucked. Thats the way it is, if you try to kill a cop, you get smoked, it's like that everywhere, I just don't see why anyone is surprised?
Last time I checked it was a Batchelor Party at a Strip club (which are sometime seedy places). 4am, soo, what's the problem, of enjoying the last sec of freedom (and unfortunately his life). "Drug Den", nice key words there. And we don't know what transpired. Maybe his friends were trying to get the guy out of there so that he could get married
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i live not to far from where this happened but i live in a ''white'' area of queens
white in queens means no blacks live here lol !
but anyhow that place was a hotbed for action for years and the cops where looking to take control of the area for good
the main reason that guy was killed was pure and simple he was BLACK ! and alot of cops including black cops a very afraid
of a black male and i cant say i blame them if you look at the government crime stats !
so even if your a good guy just minding his own business being black can be dangerous on new york city streets !
having said that i support the cops because when some lowlife cock sucker is trying to rob and kill me of my family
i know i can call on the nypd and for the most part i trust them !
however i still keep a gun lol ! just i case ::)
Did you grow up in New York? Or are you a transplant who is speaking out of his ass. Being black in the middle of Jamaica Queens is alot less dangerous than being white, middle eastern or asian.
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Last time I checked it was a Batchelor Party at a Strip club (which are sometime seedy places). 4am, soo, what's the problem, of enjoying the last sec of freedom (and unfortunately his life). "Drug Den", nice key words there. And we don't know what transpired. Maybe his friends were trying to get the guy out of there so that he could get married
So true. Any non-black person living in NY will tell you the group that's the most threatening to them are African Americans, and this doesn't stem from racism, but down right life threatening experiences.
Jamaica, Queens has gotten better in last few decades due to an increase in the immigrant population, which has pushed out some African Americans. About 15 years ago Jamaica was a fucking crazy place where you couldn't even go out without fear of being robbed, stabbed, shot or a combo of all three.
I dunno if those pigs killed that guy because he was black, but I do think they were pretty much out of line. Those undercover pigs were in that club drinking, which might explain why 50 rounds were fired. The bottom line here is that they instigated the whole incident. The whole city is outraged at this debacle
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It can't be that big, isn't NYC only like 8 miles long? And your kind would love a certain city in Michigan, trust me.
I'm not an Arab, dumbass. ;D Sorry, no city or the entire state of Michigan can compare to NYC or the Long Island area.
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This little known policy might help to shed a bit of light on how police officers develop some of their community relations skills early in their careers :-\
Day 1 for deputies: Go to jail
By Robin Fields and Stuart Pfeifer, Times Staff Writers
November 25, 2006
DEPUTY Norma Silva leads a line of inmates down a long corridor.
The air smells stale. Sunlight slants through the window slits above her head, drawing hash marks on the concrete floor in front of her.
Silva has put in almost two years at North County Correctional Facility, a massive 3,400-bed jail in Castaic. She barely needs a backward glance to catch her charges flashing gang hand signals.
"Keep looking forward, gentlemen," she says, not breaking stride. "No talking. Hands in your pockets."
Like almost everyone else who joins the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, Silva aspires to be a cop, not a jailer. But so far, jailer is her role.
All new L.A. County deputies start their careers this way. Plunged into a strange, predatory world, they endure conditions most of them never conceived of before joining the force.
Deputies have been punched, slashed, spit on and "gassed" — doused with urine, feces or blood — by inmates. They are exposed to squalor and disease. In recent years, they have had to work so much overtime that a miniature trailer park has sprung up in the jail's parking lot, where about a dozen officers sleep on any given day.
Sheriff's executives say this harsh initiation gives rookies a graduate education in criminal behavior, molding them into streetwise, poised police.
"It is truly the foundation of being a good cop," Assistant Sheriff Paul Tanaka said. "When you get out on the street, you are far better prepared than if you just graduated from the academy."
Yet agency watchdogs have long feared that the jail environment is so corrosive that it is liable, as county special counsel James G. Kolts wrote in a 1992 report, to "turn any young, inexperienced man or woman into a cynical authoritarian ready to harass, intimidate, bully and physically punish any person who does not immediately follow orders."
More than a decade ago, the Sheriff's Department set the goal of limiting jail rotations to no more than two years.
Until a recent hiring surge, however, terms had stretched up to seven years, matching the longest they had ever been. Many blamed the extended tours for causing unprecedented attrition. More than 200 custody division deputies have left the department for other law enforcement agencies since 2003.
At least five California counties have concluded that it is wiser, and in some cases cheaper, to use civilians or specialized officers to guard inmates.
Experts have urged L.A. County to do the same, but Tanaka said the Sheriff's Department remains convinced that here, where the jails have become more akin to state prisons, the job requires skills that only deputies, with their training as peace officers, possess.
Silva figures she has another year and a half until her transfer to patrol. She is not impatient, she said, though even her best days at the jail have a grinding sameness. Her worst, like Feb. 4, when the jail erupted in deadly race riots, are a scary blur.
On this Monday in July, Silva drops off her line of inmates to be bused downtown, then picks up a doleful pair who have just lost coveted posts at the jailhouse laundry. One confesses that he was caught sleeping on the job.
Arriving back at a guard station, she chugs bottled water, then catches sight of a mountainous, tattooed inmate in a dormitory 20 yards away. She pulls her flashlight from her belt and points it into his eyes.
"Put your shirt on," she said, flicking the light on and off. He does.
"You can't let them get away with giving you attitude," she said. "Then you lose that little bit of control you need."
SILVA is among nearly 2,000 deputies who staff the county jail system, the nation's largest and, arguably, toughest.
They guard an inmate population that averages 18,000. Most by far are awaiting trial on charges of violent felonies. Staff-to-inmate ratios can be as lopsided as 1 to 10. The national average, calculated in a 1999 national jail census, is 1 to 4.3.
In an environment rife with what they caustically call the "inmate funk," jail deputies have contracted staph infections, meningitis and encephalitis. Anti-bacterial soap dispensers dot the walls. Visitors receive stern warnings not to touch anything.
Silva works in the jail's 700 Building as what's called a prowler, roaming its two floors and assisting other deputies with a variety of tasks.
Her responsibilities put her in near-constant motion. Less than two hours into Monday's shift, she has hustled four sets of inmates into or out of the jail — to court, to other jails, to medical facilities — methodically barking out names and matching ID numbers.
Shuttling among the building's 16 two-tiered dormitories, which house about 65 men apiece, she has plodded through the shift's first head count.
Count finally reconciled, Silva and her crew launch into a search of Dorm 726. Male deputies order the inmates to put their hands on their heads and march single-file into a nearby day room. There, they are told to strip and bend over. On the count of three, they cough in unison.
"Looking down people's butt holes isn't in the recruitment video," Senior Deputy John Melville noted dryly.
Silva and the other female deputies rummage through inmates' belongings, looking for contraband.
She yanks up a mattress, running a gloved finger underneath a metal bed frame to feel for razor blades, then leafs through a stack of mail. In the past, she has found greeting cards dipped in methamphetamine and rolls of pot inside letters.
Silva, 35, joined the Sheriff's Department after more than a decade working at an East Los Angeles graphic arts company, selling brochures to car dealerships. Single with no children, she saw law enforcement as an adventure. She said she felt a rush when she went on ride-alongs with sheriff's deputies at the department's Industry station.
"They took the bad guys away," she said.
She looked the jails over carefully before applying to the Sheriff's Department. Tall and athletic, she did not find them intimidating, she said. At first, however, their unnerving reality outstripped her expectations.
"My first three days or so, I was so overwhelmed," she said. "They gave me my keys and radio and told me I would be letting the inmates out. I had to pause for a minute and say, 'Wait, I let them out?' "
Silva soon absorbed the language of the jails, where inmates are "fish," whites are "woods" and transfers who turn up at the North County Correctional Facility when they shouldn't are "stolen bodies."
She saw the ritualized way of life inmates create for themselves, always ordered by race. Pay phones are marked as black or Latino by the way the receiver hangs. Crossing in front of the wrong day room table, onto another group's turf, can trigger a confrontation.
Inmates were happy to talk to her about how and why they committed their crimes. Their claims of innocence, or that drug addiction forced them into desperate acts, often made her less sympathetic, though, not more.
"I don't have compassion for inmates," she said. "They're here because they caused pain to somebody."
For some, the "Groundhog Day" repetition of jail duty saps morale and motivation.
"Custody ruins people," said another deputy at the jail, where he has been stationed for more than five years. "You sit around. You become stagnant. Sometimes you get lazy."
Silva said going on department-sanctioned ride-alongs in her off hours helps combat the sense that she is marking time. She feels a quiet satisfaction, she said, when her part of the jail works as it should.
Tossing Dorm 726 took the better part of an hour.
By the end, knee-high piles of forbidden items cover the floor: loose blades, stashes of extra linen, pictures of women in their underwear, bags of fruit and bread that inmates save to make an alcoholic brew called pruno.
Deputies say they try to search at least one dorm per shift.
Silva looks at the mess.
"Sometimes," she said, "I feel like the cleaning lady."
VIOLENCE is a constant backdrop to Silva's work, so commonplace she no longer gives it much thought.
Her radio buzzes intermittently with traffic about 415s, altercations somewhere in the jail. Most are "inmate only" — there were 614 inmate-on-inmate assaults at the jail in 2005, more than twice as many as in 2000.
The alerts Silva has come to dread are "deputy involved." Inmate attacks on the jail's staff have almost tripled since 2000 and average about 30 a year. In the summer of 2005, an inmate swung a broom handle, baseball-bat style, into a deputy's head, fracturing his skull.
So far, Silva has been spared. Still, she said, she has learned to see even the most innocuous-looking objects and people as potential threats.
Assaults can inflict as much damage on deputies' psyches as on their bodies.
"It's humiliating," said a deputy who was once drenched in urine hurled by an inmate. "Imagine walking down a row of inmates with excrement running down your face and they're yelling and taunting you. They know they have hepatitis. They know they have AIDS. They aim for an open area — your nose, your eyes, your mouth."
Deputies can come to see inflicting force of their own as the only way to survive, he added.
"If you scream and run away, they know they've got you," said the deputy, a hulking weightlifter who declined to give his name for publication for fear that his frankness would prompt discipline. "Anybody gasses me, they know they're going to get beat up. Simple as that."
Roger Clark, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff's lieutenant, said it is inevitable that some deputies take this hardened mind-set with them when they become patrol officers.
"When you're in a system for years that dehumanizes, how can you be expected to treat anyone differently when you go to the streets?" he said. "It becomes a muscle memory response."
Knowing that their seemingly controlled surroundings can dissolve into chaos at any moment leaves the jail's staffers tense.
In the months before the February riots, disturbances broke out weekly in 700 Building. Silva learned to recognize signs that a fight was coming. An eerie stillness. The sound of running.
"All of a sudden a dorm would split in half," she said, Latinos on one side, blacks on the other. "And then it's like two waves crashing."
Silva was on duty Feb. 4 when she heard the call come through about a fight in Dorm 711. She and the other prowlers ran to the unit and sprayed it with Clear Out, similar to tear gas. As the inmates calmed down, Silva caught movement out of the corner of her eye.
"I turned around and I realized all the dorms were fighting," she said. Later, she helped carry away the body of an inmate beaten to death.
Since then, the jail has stayed relatively tranquil, even when waves of violence have hit other parts of the system.
At 9:30 p.m., half an hour before her shift ends, Silva sinks into a chair at a guard station. Feet finally still, her eyes continue making a weary circuit around the nearby dorms as the inmates prepare for bed.
What she sees of the jails' harshest side, she keeps to herself.
"My friends and family, I never talk about what happens at work with them," she said. "I don't need them to worry more than they already do."
AT 6:30 the next morning, Silva is back at the jail. Actually, she's been there half an hour, delaying the start of her day because the deputies' union contract prohibits working full double shifts on consecutive days.
"I feel like I just left here," she said, yawning, as she straps a stun gun around her right thigh.
She tucks the lunch she's brought from home in the refrigerator. Other deputies eat in the officers' dining room, their food prepared by inmates. Not Silva.
"I cook my food," she said. "I know what I put in it."
Her week is shaping up in typical fashion: Two shifts on Monday, two on Tuesday, one on Wednesday, two on Thursday, two on Friday, one on Saturday — close to 80 hours on duty, then the next three days off.
Many of the other deputies on her regular shift are back for doubles too, their eyes rimmed with red, their skin more ashy than it was the night before.
Silva, a self-described workaholic, happily volunteers for extra work. The overtime pay is good. About 500 custody deputies — more than one in four — made at least $100,000 in 2005, when overtime hit a peak, county records show; 117 made more than $150,000.
But in periods when department staffing has fallen to its lowest, jail deputies have been compelled to pick up additional shifts, willing or not. At times, supervisors lock the jail gates until they get enough "volunteers" to meet their needs.
Deputies say fatigue puts them at greater risk, leaving them less alert and fraying their patience. Inmates try to take advantage, switching cells, picking fights or pressing for privileges.
"You're either physically tired or mentally tired," said Deputy April Nelsen, starting her 6 a.m. shift at Men's Central Jail by downing a Red Bull.
As Silva heads into her second straight 15-hour-plus day, there's no more good-natured banter as she moves through her usual tasks.
"What don't you guys understand about 'No talking'?" she snapped at three men waiting in a day room for pills from the nurse. She orders another deputy to keep them there, where they can't watch TV or go to other activities, when other inmates return to their dorms.
"They're going to be in there a while," she said, blowing out an exasperated breath.
DEPUTIES' discontent with jail tours has intensified cyclically, whenever the Sheriff's Department has gone through lean times.
Raymond Kress left last year, at the tail end of a hiring freeze that had slowed transfers to patrol to a crawl. After three years at the jail, he was so frustrated that he took a job with the Nevada County Sheriff's Department.
"You're not making a difference, not helping people, which is what most of us got into law enforcement to do," said Kress, honor graduate of his 2002 academy class. "You almost stop caring about the basic community of people."
In the last year, an infusion of county money has spurred hiring and helped shorten jail assignments. Deputies now serve two to four years. Those willing to transfer to the department's least popular patrol stations, such as Palmdale, could spend a year or less in the jails.
It may not stay that way, Tanaka acknowledged.
"We can't force the amount of time served in custody to become shorter," he said. "We can only hope that all the factors fall into place."
Silva is holding out for Century, a busy station with a long waiting list.
So, for now, each day brings more fish lines, more head counts, more dorm searches. She collects a disgruntled inmate who mouthed off during a search and heads for the building for inmates being disciplined.
"Why am I going to the hole?" he asks as Silva leads him away.
She stares straight ahead.
"They test you all day long," she said.
Kafka called the job of a prison guard the lowest on the thing a man/woman can do for a living.
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Kafka called the job of a prison guard the lowest on the thing a man/woman can do for a living.
I taught middle school 5 to 7 years back. It was a rough school. Several of the kids are in prison now, for robbery, stabbings, drugs. It was a rough experience teaching there, and they were only 13/14. I can't imagine what it's like to have the worst of the worst in ths state, stacked up like that. That really must be one of the worst jobs in society.
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Did you grow up in New York? Or are you a transplant who is speaking out of his ass. Being black in the middle of Jamaica Queens is alot less dangerous than being white, middle eastern or asian.
BORN AND RAISED BITCH !
LOWER EAST SIDE ......WHAT
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Did you grow up in New York? Or are you a transplant who is speaking out of his ass. Being black in the middle of Jamaica Queens is alot less dangerous than being white, middle eastern or asian.
BORN AND RAISED BITCH !
LOWER EAST SIDE ......WHAT
You make a very compelling point:
The NY public school system has definitely failed.
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Lol, I bet that clown will tell me to meet him up in NYC fo some beefin doggie!!!!
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I taught middle school 5 to 7 years back. It was a rough school. Several of the kids are in prison now, for robbery, stabbings, drugs. It was a rough experience teaching there, and they were only 13/14. I can't imagine what it's like to have the worst of the worst in ths state, stacked up like that. That really must be one of the worst jobs in society.
Those kids, did you try to having any programs for them, You know befrre they went that route? You seem to always drop knowledge, that with discipline is what many of those kids need. And more, but teachers can't provide, that "more" part.
When I was student teaching in middle school, I went right to principal and asked if there could be a program for "at Risk Kids", sure enough, he got a program together which was spearheaded by a former pro basketball player who was then a promoter for Janet Jackson and others.
I stayed after school and helped with homework (when i coulda been on campus). After my Student Teaching was up, i left that school, but I believed I turned some kids around. All it took was me opening my mouth and letting someone know that I wanted to do something
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I stayed after school and helped with homework (when i coulda been on campus). After my Student Teaching was up, i left that school, but I believed I turned some kids around. All it took was me opening my mouth and letting someone know that I wanted to do something
That's very touching, Parker. But the sad thing is that most public schools in urban areas are full of kids that are beyond saving. I think these kids share the bulk of the blame. As someone who went to a NYC public school, let me tell you it's not a plesant experience. The teachers do try to the best of their ability, yet it seems they can't get through. A fraction of kids that actually want to learn can't do so because the other kids ruin it for pretty much everyone by creating an atmosphere of chaos.
These are the same kids who think wearing expensive sneakers and jackets are de facto goals in life. When they grow and leave school, they end up getting a good dose of reality. I know socio-economic factors have a role to play in where these kids end up, but in the end they only have themselves to blame.
Those programs you seek of end up rewarding kids who aren't worth a damn.
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So true. Any non-black person living in NY will tell you the group that's the most threatening to them are African Americans, and this doesn't stem from racism, but down right life threatening experiences.
Jamaica, Queens has gotten better in last few decades due to an increase in the immigrant population, which has pushed out some African Americans. About 15 years ago Jamaica was a fucking crazy place where you couldn't even go out without fear of being robbed, stabbed, shot or a combo of all three.
I'm also a ny'er. Years ago if you took the train from Penn Station to L.I. you would try to get the express train just to avoid transfer at Jamaica, haha...Most parts of the city have gotten better and LOTS of parts of L.I. have gotten worse recently, such as Hempstead. It went from a dive to a dump. I don't know how NYPD is gonna explain 50 shots with No weapon.
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That's very touching, Parker. But the sad thing is that most public schools in urban areas are full of kids that are beyond saving. I think these kids share the bulk of the blame. As someone who went to a NYC public school, let me tell you it's not a plesant experience. The teachers do try to the best of their ability, yet it seems they can't get through. A fraction of kids that actually want to learn can't do so because the other kids ruin it for pretty much everyone by creating an atmosphere of chaos.
These are the same kids who think wearing expensive sneakers and jackets are de facto goals in life. When they grow and leave school, they end up getting a good dose of reality. I know socio-economic factors have a role to play in where these kids end up, but in the end they only have themselves to blame.
Those programs you seek of end up rewarding kids who aren't worth a damn.
I wholy agree. I student taught in Baltimore (this was a different experience than I listed above) . When you have 16 yr olds that have to raised themselves, doing homework is not a priority, but putting food on the table and avioding the "idiots" is.
At the program, the kids were interested in the fact that the promoter who put the after school program together played with Jordan. I had kids who could afford a $200 jacket, but who couldn't bring paper and pencil to class ::).
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240 is that all you have to contribute ?
am guessing no one is smarter then u cause you build web sites for bodybuilders lol !
shut the fuck up bitch !
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240 is that all you have to contribute ?
am guessing no one is smarter then u cause you build web sites for bodybuilders lol !
shut the f**k up bitch !
why the rage?
where did i say no one is smarter than me?
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Yes, I am white. My point is that my experiences have been good and I hate the filth that roams the street, so if they get killed, so be it. I don't wish harm on any innocent person, but who am I to make that distinction? I am just like those jewish neighbors you referred to I guess, if it doesn't affect me, I don't really care.
...so fucking sad, dude. and one day, you will be treated like that poor minority, or the other jewish neighbors. and believe me... you will care.
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...so fucking sad, dude. and one day, you will be treated like that poor minority, or the other jewish neighbors. and believe me... you will care.
Sure I will ::)
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Sure I will ::)
you never know. population trends show whites will be the minority before too long. imagine your white son getting his ass beat by 2 hispanic cops. would police abuses of power be equally amusing then?
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you never know. population trends show whites will be the minority before too long. imagine your white son getting his ass beat by 2 hispanic cops. would police abuses of power be equally amusing then?
I don't see the abuse at all. The guy tried to MURDER a cop 240. It's almost like you didn't read the article.
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I don't see the abuse at all. The guy tried to MURDER a cop 240. It's almost like you didn't read the article.
lol dude, i was pointing out your quote earlier this week that you're a-okay with them capping panhandlers. And in this case, it sounds like the guys were talking trash to someone in the club, then tried to get in their car and get outta there before they got their ass kicked. If there's no gun, no one saw a gun, and all they saw was a threatening hand motion about a gun before someone left... well, i'm not so sure you can fill a car with bullets for that
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lol dude, i was pointing out your quote earlier this week that you're a-okay with them capping panhandlers. And in this case, it sounds like the guys were talking trash to someone in the club, then tried to get in their car and get outta there before they got their ass kicked. If there's no gun, no one saw a gun, and all they saw was a threatening hand motion about a gun before someone left... well, i'm not so sure you can fill a car with bullets for that
Running over a cop is attempted murder. You really should read the article.
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Running over a cop is attempted murder. You really should read the article.
I have. I've also read one of the witnesses said the minivan pulled up and started shooting.
Also the police initially said they fired because they thought they had a gun, then it became the car ram thing, right?
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I have. I've also read one of the witnesses said the minivan pulled up and started shooting.
Also the police initially said they fired because they thought they had a gun, then it became the car ram thing, right?
nope
The car, driven by Bell, was struck by 21 of the police bullets after the vehicle rammed an undercover officer and hit an unmarked NYPD minivan. Other shots hit nearby homes and shattered windows at a train station, though no one else was injured
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I have. I've also read one of the witnesses said the minivan pulled up and started shooting.
Also the police initially said they fired because they thought they had a gun, then it became the car ram thing, right?
I found this interesting...
Kelly said the confrontation stemmed from an undercover operation inside the strip club in the Jamaica section of Queens. Seven officers in plain clothes were investigating the Kalua Cabaret; five of them were involved in the shooting. Now why would they be doing this operation in the first place?
According to Kelly, the groom was involved in a verbal dispute outside the club and one of his friends made a reference to a gun. HELLO
An undercover officer walked closely behind Bell and his friends as they headed for their car. As he walked toward the front of the vehicle, the car drove forward — striking the officer and a nearby undercover police vehicle, Kelly said. Now why would anyone just drive into someone walking right in front of their car?
The officer who had followed the group on foot was apparently the first to open fire, Kelly said. That officer had served on the force for five years. One 12-year veteran fired his weapon 31 times, emptying two full magazines, Kelly said.
Bell backed the car onto a sidewalk, hitting a building gate, authorities said. He then drove forward, striking the police vehicle a second time, Kelly said. Intent?
The police department's policy on shooting at moving vehicles states: "Police officers shall not discharge their firearms at or from a moving vehicle unless deadly force is being used against the police officers or another person present, by means other than a moving vehicle." I find this a gray area in this situation. You have a group of people under surveillance, talk of a gun, and attempts to run over and ram police officers and their vehicles. Perhaps too much time spent playing Grand Theft Auto on the playstation is to blame for the driver's actions?
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I am very curious when they actually ID'd themselves as cops.
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I am very curious when they actually ID'd themselves as cops.
I am not trying to be a dick, but why do you care at all? It looks like a few pieces of trash were killed, and rightfully so. So what gives 240? You seem anti cop.
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I am not trying to be a dick, but why do you care at all? It looks like a few pieces of trash were killed, and rightfully so. So what gives 240? You seem anti cop.
You're okay with police not ID'ing themselves before opening fire?
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Have you ever thought of going into police work? Working inside a force to determine if any laws where broken during raids and other operations. Seriously.
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You're okay with police not ID'ing themselves before opening fire?
I don't know that they didn't. It's kind of hard to do while getting run over by a car though.
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I'm actually quite pro-police. My grandfather was a detective. I'm pro-Constitution, too. That means you can't just execute bad guys cause they're bad guys.
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Have you ever thought of going into police work? Working inside a force to determine if any laws where broken during raids and other operations. Seriously.
Nope. With family and career and freedom on the line, mistakes are almost always covered up. It'd be naive for people to think otherwise. And any kind of monitor is usually strongly encouraged to go along, whether it be for the good of things, financial gain, or fear of threats.
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I'm actually quite pro-police. My grandfather was a detective. I'm pro-Constitution, too. That means you can't just execute bad guys cause they're bad guys.
What about this story makes you think they did anything wrong? When Reverend Al shows up, do you just agree with him? From the story it seems like a clean shoot to me ???
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I am not trying to be a dick, but why do you care at all? It looks like a few pieces of trash were killed, and rightfully so. So what gives 240? You seem anti cop.
You mean after all this time you have not gotten Rob's M.O.? (http://www.musculardevelopment.com/forums/images/smilies4/stirthepot.gif)
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You mean after all this time you have not gotten Rob's M.O.? (http://www.musculardevelopment.com/forums/images/smilies4/stirthepot.gif)
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Yeah, he just wants people to argue. Just like the little instigators in grade school. There is no way he gives a f**k about those pieces of shit that got killed.
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Rob's a good egg. I love the creativity behind getting his web business weaved into getbig. Nothing like hotbed topics with your URL or a URL you wish to build traffic for, being in every one of your posts. ;)
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I'm actually quite pro-police. My grandfather was a detective. I'm pro-Constitution, too. That means you can't just execute bad guys cause they're bad guys.
My grandfather was a cop.And I am not anti police,just anti police abuse of power. I have been slammed around by a cop before and unlawfully searched three times.SOME police officers think they can do whatever they want.
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My grandfather was a cop.And I am not anti police,just anti police abuse of power. I have been slammed around by a cop before and unlawfully searched three times.SOME police officers think they can do whatever they want.
Because for the most part they can.
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Because for the most part they can.
yep...even kill someone.