Dorian is clearly superior.i agree.
What's up with all of these Dorian vs Ronnie wars here? There isn't a single week that a thread on this topic isn't started at this board.
way to contribute to the problem, genius.
The problem is you can't just compare Dorian vs. Ronnie. You have to be more specific...say Ronnie 01 ASC vs. Dorian 93 O. Its hard to compare two bodybuilders throughout their career because their physiques change so much from contest to contest.
Find a Dorian pic to match these.
how many times can people repost the same pictures. people have their own opinions and aren't gonna change after viewing the same picture for the 33rd time
What's up with all of these Dorian vs Ronnie wars here? There isn't a single week that a thread on this topic isn't started at this board. Hell, last month or so, there were not one, not two, not even three, but four threads on this topic going on simulataneously. What the f**k is this non-stop obsession with this? Also, there isn't a single thread where Dorian or Ronnie are mentioned without the other being brought up for comparison. Wtf?! What's up with all of these assholes arguing this shit ad infinitum? I side with Dorian, and it has nothing do do with the fact that Suckmymuscle and NarcissisticDeity are clearly more intelligent than the Coleman side, but simply because I prefer Dorian's grain and tight appearance. At the end of the day, it's just an opinion. Who cares? At their respective bests, neither Dorian nor Ronnie had any serious height, weight, or muscularity advantage over the other, so the outcome of this hypothetical contest would be a matter of preference, with the judges giving their nod based on their prefered structure, type of muscularity and how they look at the end of the day. Let it go. Geez!
The problem is you can't just compare Dorian vs. Ronnie. You have to be more specific...say Ronnie 01 ASC vs. Dorian 93 O. Its hard to compare two bodybuilders throughout their career because their physiques change so much from contest to contest.
Find a Dorian pic to match these.
Quote from: tweeter on November 26, 2006, 08:14:48 PM
The problem is you can't just compare Dorian vs. Ronnie. You have to be more specific...say Ronnie 01 ASC vs. Dorian 93 O. Its hard to compare two bodybuilders throughout their career because their physiques change so much from contest to contest.
...the most intelligent post on this thread thus far. Props.~
These are none too shabby . I think he measures up quite well.That first Yates back shot is morphed.
That first Yates back shot is morphed.
I would say that Ronnie's best condition ever (2004) probably beats Dorian's best condition ever (1993). However, Dorain was far more consistent than Ronnie as Ronnie has been known to come in out of shape and still win. Dorian was never really out of shape - even in '94 with the torn bicep he was still better than everyone onstage, but Shawn came close to beating him. It's a tough call but I think Dorian shades the decision.
What's up with all of these Dorian vs Ronnie wars here? There isn't a single week that a thread on this topic isn't started at this board. Hell, last month or so, there were not one, not two, not even three, but four threads on this topic going on simulataneously. What the f**k is this non-stop obsession with this? Also, there isn't a single thread where Dorian or Ronnie are mentioned without the other being brought up for comparison. Wtf?! What's up with all of these assholes arguing this shit ad infinitum? I side with Dorian, and it has nothing do do with the fact that Suckmymuscle and NarcissisticDeity are clearly more intelligent than the Coleman side, but simply because I prefer Dorian's grain and tight appearance. At the end of the day, it's just an opinion. Who cares? At their respective bests, neither Dorian nor Ronnie had any serious height, weight, or muscularity advantage over the other, so the outcome of this hypothetical contest would be a matter of preference, with the judges giving their nod based on their prefered structure, type of muscularity and how they look at the end of the day. Let it go. Geez!
Dorian has no chance!!! He has the better calves, and that's it. Ronnie got him on any other muscle group. >:(
Dorian is one of the most overrated BBs of all time. Except the back there is nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING special about his physique. ::)
Dorian has no chance!!! He has the better calves, and that's it. Ronnie got him on any other muscle group. >:(
Dorian is one of the most overrated BBs of all time. Except the back there is nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING special about his physique. ::)
Conversely, his pecs, delts, quads hams, traps and forearms were merely outstnading. His liability were biceps, and that's it.
sucky if his delts quads and pecs were really outstanding his most muscular would not blow as badly as it does ::)
everyone knows the mm is dorian's worst pose by far.
and its no suprise as to why: his upper body and quads were not all that great, esp. compared to Ronnie
why don't you try a good shot from the AC: ::)
(http://www.mass-shop.hu/belso_kepek/arnold/galeria/coleman_mostmuscular.jpg)
ronnie's mm owns yates as always.
What a surprise, yet another excuse from Hulkster ::)
It never fails, anytime Yates beats Coleman in a comparison, Hulkster bitches and whines. Popular excuses include: "he's not flexing yet", "that's a bad picture", etc.
It's like arguing with a child who throws a temper tantrum anytime they don't get what they want.
Someone post a picture of Ronnie with gyno :D
sucky if his delts quads and pecs were really outstanding his most muscular would not blow as badly as it does ::)
everyone knows the mm is dorian's worst pose by far.
and its no suprise as to why: his upper body and quads were not all that great, esp. compared to Ronnie
everyone knows the mm is dorian's worst pose by far.
No, that's the front double biceps
hahahaha Even SUCKY can't decide which of many Yates poses is the worst. :-X
Ronnie Coleman always looks like he's holding a thick layer of water under his skin imo. I think Dorian has a slight edge on him.
He still looks like he's holding water when you stand him next to Dorian. Dorian is so grainy.
only if grainy = doughy
:-\
All Hulkster does is post the 1999 Olympia shots where Ronnie is showing great striations and separations and then say that, in his opinion, Ronnie is drier. Well, guess what, Hulky? You're wrong. As I've already explained to you, there's no logical correlation between separations and dryness. This is evident in that some bodybuilders show better separations than others even when they have edema.
You then post pics of Dorian where he dopesen't have a smany separations on his arms and qads as Ronnie and say that is proof that he wasn't as dry. Again, wrong. The "stony" appearance of Dorian's arm and quad muscles are a much better indication of his greater dryness in relation to Coleman than Ronnie's separations is an indication of the opposite hypothesis. Hulkster, this is being dry.;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Does not a level of dryness need to be obtained to show separations?
Dorian's LATS look better in the front lat spread. So does his chest due to better posing skills than Ronnie. As for comparing anything else of Dorian's to Ronnie in that pose... :-X
Dorian's LATS look better in the front lat spread. So does his chest due to better posing skills than Ronnie. As for comparing anything else of Dorian's to Ronnie in that pose... :-X
Yes, but it correlates more strongly with bodyfat loss. The correlation is not linear. If it were, all bodybuilders with edema would have less separations than dehydrated bodybuilders. This is why it;'s my contention that a dry appearance to the muscles is a better correlation to dryness than separations. Why? Because you can obtain great separations whuile still retaining water, but no bodybuiulder gets the "stony" look to his muscles while having edema. Never. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
your contention is wrong.
Hope this helps.
Why? Prove that separations correlate more strongly with dryness than the stomy loook that Dorian had to his muscles. You can't. This is especially true because there are bodybuilders who display better separations than others even when their conditioning is off. An example? Wheeler had more separations than Nasser even when the former's conditioning was off and the latter was on. Sorry to say, but when a bodybuilder's muscles looks harder than another's, it's because it usually is. Muscle separations have nothing to do with it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
in short, no one has ever had ronnie's combo of shape, size and detail as displayed in 99.
dorian had the size, but lacked the shape and some detail.
Flex had the shape, had good detail, but lacked the size.
ronnie had it all.
Your opinion.
Your opinion.
Your opinion.
only if grainy = doughyget your eyes checked and stop eating shit
:-\
Why? Prove that separations correlate more strongly with dryness than the stomy loook that Dorian had to his muscles. You can't. This is especially true because there are bodybuilders who display better separations than others even when their conditioning is off. An example? Wheeler had more separations than Nasser even when the former's conditioning was off and the latter was on. Sorry to say, but when a bodybuilder's muscles looks harder than another's, it's because it usually is. Muscle separations have nothing to do with it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
It is poitnless to debate Hulkster. He just spills out his opinion, post the same 1999 pics and then say "you are wrong" when you disagree with him. He simply ignores my posts, where I explain point by point why he's wrong, and it's fine because I know that he secretly agrees with me. ;D ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
you prove the opposite please. your assumption is not right. dorian does not look "stony" in the above pics, ronnie screencaps look much harder. the pic were dorian is showing more striations, and cuts is the pic were he looks the hardest.
you keep posting about correlations, etc. and that hardness is better exemplified with stoniness, or graniness, but what are you talking about. the pics dont show any of these properties. his arms and delts look smooth and soft compared to ronnies.