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Title: I Purchased a Fender ***PICS ADDED 2nd page***
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on November 29, 2006, 06:25:03 PM
(http://fender.com/products/prod_images/guitars/0100102857_xl.jpg)

I used the stock photo cause it's better then I can take. I got the same color. I played one a couple weeks ago and fell in love.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: Bigger Business on November 29, 2006, 06:32:49 PM
thats rad
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on November 29, 2006, 06:38:42 PM
Thanks, it's the MIA 57' reissue Strat. I'm keeping the 3 way switch on it. The nitro finish is a good touch.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: Jeff Miller on November 29, 2006, 09:59:46 PM
Fenders are crap.  Crappy tone, crappy look.

Be a man and buy an Ibanez or Jackson.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: 240 is Back on November 29, 2006, 10:26:44 PM
You either get a Les Paul or you get Les Tone. you choose.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on November 29, 2006, 10:28:29 PM
i will be getting a new guitar soon, im thinking probably an Ibanez RG of some kind.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: YoMamaBeenLurking on November 29, 2006, 10:55:45 PM
You either get a Les Paul or you get Les Tone. you choose.

I like that one  ;D
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: SL-Dubbs on November 29, 2006, 11:48:03 PM
Eric, we didnt discuss this


i like though
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: ozman on November 30, 2006, 12:01:13 AM
Who makes Fenders now

didn't Sony own it for a while ?
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on November 30, 2006, 12:07:46 AM
(http://fender.com/products/prod_images/guitars/0100102857_xl.jpg)

I used the stock photo cause it's better then I can take. I got the same color. I played one a couple weeks ago and fell in love.

How do you attach it to your car :D??
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: TrapsMcLats on November 30, 2006, 12:14:30 AM
Fender makes one good guitar, the telecaster... other than that you have to go back to the 70's to find a decent strat.  I have a 1972 telecaster reissue and a 1972 custom gibson les paul.  They make every strat i've heard that wasn't vintage sound like crap.  Put some p90's on that sucker as soon as you can, change the pots and change the jack (fender jacks are notorious for falling apart quickly) and you can save the guitar.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: AVBG on November 30, 2006, 12:31:28 AM
Coo re-issue BSB, I like the foam green finish, check out the tele I put together, except for the bridge the hardware (pots, switches, control plate, neck plate ect) is from 59-60's parts I sourced over the last two years.. the neck is solid rosewood.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: Jeff Miller on November 30, 2006, 12:43:37 AM
You either get a Les Paul or you get Les Tone. you choose.

The only person that has ever made Les Pauls appeal to me at ALL is Zakk Wylde.  Still wouldn't get one, though.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: AVBG on November 30, 2006, 01:46:35 AM
Who makes Fenders now

didn't Sony own it for a while ?

Fender Musical instruments make Fenders.. Fender was owned by CBS (owner of Sony) from mid sixties to mid eighties (their worst period)
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: Hedgehog on November 30, 2006, 02:02:00 AM
Fender...

I'm sure you got Boatboys attention now.

(http://www.shockles.com/uses06/images/FenderFriend2.jpg)

YIP
Zack
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on November 30, 2006, 04:37:49 AM
Fenders are crap.  Crappy tone, crappy look.

Be a man and buy an Ibanez or Jackson.

Considered both. My friends who are all shredders told me the quality has declined significantly over the last couple years.

You either get a Les Paul or you get Les Tone. you choose.

Don't like the feel or sound. I'm not a fan of humbuckers.

Who makes Fenders now

didn't Sony own it for a while ?

CBS owned them from around 67 till the 1980's. They are employee owned since then.

How do you attach it to your car :D??

It's actually a car paint color from the fifty's. Most of the colors from that period are.

Fender makes one good guitar, the telecaster... other than that you have to go back to the 70's to find a decent strat.  I have a 1972 telecaster reissue and a 1972 custom gibson les paul.  They make every strat i've heard that wasn't vintage sound like crap.  Put some p90's on that sucker as soon as you can, change the pots and change the jack (fender jacks are notorious for falling apart quickly) and you can save the guitar.

Part of the reason I bought this is because it's made to the 50's specs with the same tooling and switches. The sound is also great.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: Jeff Miller on November 30, 2006, 07:34:15 AM
Considered both. My friends who are all shredders told me the quality has declined significantly over the last couple years.

Gotta buy high end, man.  Ibanez Prestige RG guitars are GREAT quality (own 2 different ones), and the Jackson Custom USAs (like the SL1, SL2H, KV, and RR1) are the same specs and quality as they have always been.  Even the Jackson DK2, a staple of 80's shred, is just as good now, if not a little better, than in the 80's.  Lower end stuff has declined a little for both, but the primo stuff is still kick ass.

And all can still be used as stabbing implements, thanks to the pointy headstocks.  Now THAT'S metal!  \m/  >:( \m/
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: Debussey on November 30, 2006, 07:36:28 AM
Gotta buy high end, man.  Ibanez Prestige RG guitars are GREAT quality (own 2 different ones), and the Jackson Custom USAs (like the SL1, SL2H, KV, and RR1) are the same specs and quality as they have always been.  Even the Jackson DK2, a staple of 80's shred, is just as good now, if not a little better, than in the 80's.  Lower end stuff has declined a little for both, but the primo stuff is still kick ass.

And all can still be used as stabbing implements, thanks to the pointy headstocks.  Now THAT'S metal!  \m/  >:( \m/

Brutal truth by Jeff Miller.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: YoungBlood on November 30, 2006, 07:41:35 AM
No matter what anybody says, the tone a musician produces is largely based on his or her hands. The instrument can have an effect over the sound, but mostly it's what the player has in their hands that produces certain tones.
How you squeeze the strings, hold the neck, the angle your fingers are touching the strings....many things go into it.
When a player can produce a good sound, or even a similar sound from one guitar to the next, that's when you know they been doing their homework.
Nice guitar BSB. I like the seafoam green. Though I'm sort of partial to Fiesta Red myself. And traditional sunburst is always a good color as well.
Why did you decide to leave the three-way in there? I know you can get the switch to stick in the middle, but it's certainly easier to do that with the five way.
Are you sure the finish is nitro-cellulose? Last I heard it was illegal to spray that in CA. 
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: Debussey on November 30, 2006, 07:45:00 AM
Fender...

I'm sure you got Boatboys attention now.

(http://www.shockles.com/uses06/images/FenderFriend2.jpg)

YIP
Zack

Do not make him meltdown again >:(
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: Jeff Miller on November 30, 2006, 07:51:41 AM
No matter what anybody says, the tone a musician produces is largely based on his or her hands. The instrument can have an effect over the sound, but mostly it's what the player has in their hands that produces certain tones.
How you squeeze the strings, hold the neck, the angle your fingers are touching the strings....many things go into it.
When a player can produce a good sound, or even a similar sound from one guitar to the next, that's when you know they been doing their homework.
Nice guitar BSB. I like the seafoam green. Though I'm sort of partial to Fiesta Red myself. And traditional sunburst is always a good color as well.
Why did you decide to leave the three-way in there? I know you can get the switch to stick in the middle, but it's certainly easier to do that with the five way.
Are you sure the finish is nitro-cellulose? Last I heard it was illegal to spray that in CA. 

I disagree.  You are talking about feel, not tone.  Effects, pickups, and amps affect your tone.  Give Eric Johnson a different guitar and plug him straight into any old amp, and his tone will be compeletely different.  He may PLAY like Eric Johnson, he may display the same FEEL, but his tone will be very different.

Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on November 30, 2006, 07:53:02 AM
No matter what anybody says, the tone a musician produces is largely based on his or her hands. The instrument can have an effect over the sound, but mostly it's what the player has in their hands that produces certain tones.
How you squeeze the strings, hold the neck, the angle your fingers are touching the strings....many things go into it.
When a player can produce a good sound, or even a similar sound from one guitar to the next, that's when you know they been doing their homework.
Nice guitar BSB. I like the seafoam green. Though I'm sort of partial to Fiesta Red myself. And traditional sunburst is always a good color as well.
Why did you decide to leave the three-way in there? I know you can get the switch to stick in the middle, but it's certainly easier to do that with the five way.
Are you sure the finish is nitro-cellulose? Last I heard it was illegal to spray that in CA. 

fuck, i wrote some long ass reply and this fucking shit server the ron runs on gave me that error.


3 way switch cause I want the instrument as true to a 57 as i can get it
fenders new factory meets emmissions standards so they've been spraying nitro since 98-99
i was going to go with a paul gilbert ibanez but it's pricey and i'm not into flatter fingerboards right now.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: YoungBlood on November 30, 2006, 09:28:41 AM
I disagree.  You are talking about feel, not tone.  Effects, pickups, and amps affect your tone.  Give Eric Johnson a different guitar and plug him straight into any old amp, and his tone will be compeletely different.  He may PLAY like Eric Johnson, he may display the same FEEL, but his tone will be very different.

No, sorry. Feel is also there, but tone is what I'm talking about.
Using Eric Johnson may not be the best example since his tone is largely dependent on numerous effects boxes. Have him play straight to the amp, and have him do this with two to three different amp combos with different guitars and he will sound almost exactly the same. Why? Not because the rig is the same. It's in his hands, experiences, phrasing, how he pulls/pushes on the strings.
I've witnessed this too many times to count, live and in person. Through my gigs on bills with other players. Someone will play a custom made $5000 strat through a high end amp...with a great sound. Then that same person will pick up a Sears Silvertone "Amp in Case" model from the 50's, and sound just like they did using the other rig.
How is that possible using nothing but their hands as the connecting link?
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: 240 is Back on November 30, 2006, 09:31:38 AM
No matter what anybody says, the tone a musician produces is largely based on his or her hands. The instrument can have an effect over the sound, but mostly it's what the player has in their hands that produces certain tones.

i disagree.  You put a PRS in a newbie's hand and he'll sound better playing a Blink182 song than Clapton on a $79 walmart guitar.  Many guitarists will find the quality of their playing goes up tons when they upgrade from a $400 guitar to a $4000 guitar
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on November 30, 2006, 09:33:48 AM
i disagree.  You put a PRS in a newbie's hand and he'll sound better playing a Blink182 song than Clapton on a $79 walmart guitar.  Many guitarists will find the quality of their playing goes up tons when they upgrade from a $400 guitar to a $4000 guitar

I noticed this very much when I upgraded my acoustic. It was night and day. Suddenly I was doing things I hadn't been able to do.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: YoungBlood on November 30, 2006, 09:43:14 AM
I'm done with this. No matter how I explain it, it won't come across.
Seasoned players know how to manipulate their instrument. It's not based on price, what wood they use or the name brand.
Argue all you want. But it's in the hands. I'll reiterate, gear has something to do with it, but in the overall scope of things, it's the players themselves that produce the sound.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: rccs on November 30, 2006, 09:55:42 AM
(http://fender.com/products/prod_images/guitars/0100102857_xl.jpg)

I used the stock photo cause it's better then I can take. I got the same color. I played one a couple weeks ago and fell in love.
My brother has one! All white!! I like stratocasters, but my favorite is the "Slash's Gibson"
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on November 30, 2006, 10:14:29 AM
its BOTH the setup AND the handsthat produce someone's 'sound'....
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: YoMamaBeenLurking on November 30, 2006, 10:51:42 AM
I wonder if my tone would sound better if those towers never fell?   :-*
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: bmacsys on November 30, 2006, 01:22:26 PM
Who makes Fenders now

didn't Sony own it for a while ?

CBS owned Fender and while they did the guitars sucked.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on November 30, 2006, 01:33:08 PM
CBS owned Fender and while they did the guitars sucked.

No, they started sucking after CBS was floating its other companies with Fenders profits and also after Don Randall left.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: AVBG on November 30, 2006, 01:34:14 PM
No, they started sucking after CBS was floating its other companies with Fenders profits and also after Don Randall left.


The real crap period was the 70's, 2-bolt neck on the strat and the polyurethane finish sucked.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on November 30, 2006, 03:13:29 PM

The real crap period was the 70's, 2-bolt neck on the strat and the polyurethane finish sucked.


3 bolt neck with a POLYESTER finish
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: AVBG on November 30, 2006, 03:27:19 PM
3 bolt neck with a POLYESTER finish

OK I GOT IT. POLYESTER.  ::)
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: bmacsys on November 30, 2006, 03:47:59 PM

The real crap period was the 70's, 2-bolt neck on the strat and the polyurethane finish sucked.


2-bolt neck to save money. The flush plug.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on November 30, 2006, 05:37:26 PM
OK I GOT IT. POLYESTER.  ::)

Don't roll your eyes. You got OWNED!!!111!!!!
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: AVBG on November 30, 2006, 05:40:13 PM
Don't roll your eyes. You got OWNED!!!111!!!!

sure I did.  ::)
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on November 30, 2006, 06:00:49 PM
sure I did.  ::)

how long did you wait for me to reply?

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action-notify;sa=on;topic=109662.25;sesc=6f067219600404bb42c68b7e1ed6e510)
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: AVBG on November 30, 2006, 06:03:57 PM
how long did you wait for me to reply?

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action-notify;sa=on;topic=109662.25;sesc=6f067219600404bb42c68b7e1ed6e510)


Don't know. I wasn't keeping time. Anyway, your new guitar is cool (very much what I would own).
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on November 30, 2006, 07:50:47 PM
For 1,399$ I say it's worth it. Although if you have it I'd even go with an EJ model. It's neck radius is a little flatter.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: AVBG on November 30, 2006, 08:23:42 PM
For 1,399$ I say it's worth it. Although if you have it I'd even go with an EJ model. It's neck radius is a little flatter.

That is a great price. We in Australia would have to pay atleast an extra $500 US for the same guitar.. Hey did you notice the telecaster I put together? See page 1 of this thread. I used orig 59-60 hardware & pots (except the bridge) that I have been buying over the net. The neck is customshop, the body is a early nineties US standard.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on December 01, 2006, 03:56:29 AM
That is a great price. We in Australia would have to pay atleast an extra $500 US for the same guitar.. Hey did you notice the telecaster I put together? See page 1 of this thread. I used orig 59-60 hardware & pots (except the bridge) that I have been buying over the net. The neck is customshop, the body is a early nineties US standard.
yeah that was sweet. i was "this close" to getting a 52' reissue tele
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Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on December 01, 2006, 03:36:06 PM
 8)
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Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on December 01, 2006, 03:37:37 PM
 :D
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Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on December 01, 2006, 03:38:43 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender ***PICS ADDED 2nd page***
Post by: Slippedisc on December 01, 2006, 03:41:29 PM
powder blue is for pussies ;D



whaddup, poos-aye
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender ***PICS ADDED 2nd page***
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on December 01, 2006, 03:52:27 PM
powder blue is for pussies ;D



whaddup, poos-aye

seafoam slippy, seafoam!
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender ***PICS ADDED 2nd page***
Post by: Debussey on December 01, 2006, 03:57:34 PM
Brutal guitar.

Can you actually play anything?
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender ***PICS ADDED 2nd page***
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on December 01, 2006, 04:01:17 PM
Brutal guitar.

Can you actually play anything?

Yeah. I'm taking lessons and all that shit. It's my second instrument. I've played drums since 14
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender ***PICS ADDED 2nd page***
Post by: AVBG on December 01, 2006, 04:10:08 PM
It looks better than the promo pics.. dig the tweed case too!
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Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on December 01, 2006, 04:10:53 PM
yeah, it's def. softer looking in person. The vintage frets are nice. It's so smooth to play.
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Post by: Debussey on December 01, 2006, 04:25:56 PM
yeah, it's def. softer looking in person. The vintage frets are nice. It's so smooth to play.

price?
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Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on December 01, 2006, 04:28:17 PM
1,399.99$. That's pretty much the set price everywhere.
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Post by: Shockwave on December 01, 2006, 04:42:16 PM
Got a Gibson Les Paul Custom and Jackson RR1 and a USA Deluxe Stat. All great guitars.
That thing looks awesome!
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Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on December 01, 2006, 06:08:09 PM
The level of detail on the guitar is amazing. They actually have the wires sheathed in cloth as opposed to plastic.

The Jackson RR1's neck is awesome.
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Post by: YoungBlood on December 01, 2006, 06:15:31 PM
The factory has been doing the replica thing for years. From the staggered height of the polepieces, the cloth wiring on the entire wiring circuit, to the different colored base on the pick-ups.
The custom shop takes it one step further, and they'll age the finish with the cracked finish (checking, chequing? sp?) and all. But as nice as they look, half of the fun for me is making the neck all dirty yourself.
The vintage market is through the roof. A guitar these days, can fetch over 60k....it's just a plank of wood with some metal!!! Sheesh!
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Post by: Debussey on December 01, 2006, 06:26:05 PM
The factory has been doing the replica thing for years. From the staggered height of the polepieces, the cloth wiring on the entire wiring circuit, to the different colored base on the pick-ups.
The custom shop takes it one step further, and they'll age the finish with the cracked finish (checking, chequing? sp?) and all. But as nice as they look, half of the fun for me is making the neck all dirty yourself.
The vintage market is through the roof. A guitar these days, can fetch over 60k....it's just a plank of wood with some metal!!! Sheesh!

Brutal melodic minor shredder.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender ***PICS ADDED 2nd page***
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on December 01, 2006, 06:44:48 PM
The factory has been doing the replica thing for years. From the staggered height of the polepieces, the cloth wiring on the entire wiring circuit, to the different colored base on the pick-ups.
The custom shop takes it one step further, and they'll age the finish with the cracked finish (checking, chequing? sp?) and all. But as nice as they look, half of the fun for me is making the neck all dirty yourself.
The vintage market is through the roof. A guitar these days, can fetch over 60k....it's just a plank of wood with some metal!!! Sheesh!

Yes, one of my friends said the nitro finish should start to age very nicely in about five years of heavy playing. I think relicing the thing the old fashioned way (playing it) is the best way.
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Post by: YoungBlood on December 01, 2006, 07:35:06 PM
Brutal melodic minor shredder.

I prefer the harmonic minor actually. It's nice to play an altered minor chord as well. A very cool sound, and you can move it in minor thirds....so you're technically playing in three keys at once. Each sound you are going for in your head, will provide a different color vs. the rest of the band playing a different angle against yours.
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Post by: Jeff Miller on December 01, 2006, 07:42:43 PM
Michael Angelo Batio says:  I can play that Fender with my toes!

(http://www.angelo.com/M_Angelo_Batio_Quad_One.jpg)
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender ***PICS ADDED 2nd page***
Post by: Debussey on December 02, 2006, 09:11:21 AM
I prefer the harmonic minor actually. It's nice to play an altered minor chord as well. A very cool sound, and you can move it in minor thirds....so you're technically playing in three keys at once. Each sound you are going for in your head, will provide a different color vs. the rest of the band playing a different angle against yours.

Bmaj7 - D7 - Gmaj7 - Bb7 - Ebmaj7

Am7 - D7  - Gmaj7 - Bb7 -  Ebmaj7 -  F#7 - Bmaj7

Fm7 - Bb7 - Ebmaj7 - Am7 - D7

Gmaj7 - C#m7 - F#7 - Bmaj7

Fm7 - Bb7 - Ebmaj7 - C#m7 - F#7

 8)

(http://www.codebrigade.com/images/Gary-Busey-1.gif)

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Post by: YoungBlood on December 02, 2006, 09:42:45 AM
Bmaj7 - D7 - Gmaj7 - Bb7 - Ebmaj7

Am7 - D7  - Gmaj7 - Bb7 -  Ebmaj7 -  F#7 - Bmaj7

Fm7 - Bb7 - Ebmaj7 - Am7 - D7

Gmaj7 - C#m7 - F#7 - Bmaj7

Fm7 - Bb7 - Ebmaj7 - C#m7 - F#7



Your point? ??? ??? ??? You have one progression with Coltrane changes, many ii-V7-I's in there. But of the chords you listed, you don't have any minor ii-V-I's, nor do you have any altered minor chords.
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Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on December 02, 2006, 09:45:07 AM
LOL
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Post by: Debussey on December 02, 2006, 10:16:28 AM

Your point? ??? ??? ??? You have one progression with Coltrane changes, many ii-V7-I's in there. But of the chords you listed, you don't have any minor ii-V-I's, nor do you have any altered minor chords.


It is Giant Steps.

It was teh funny.

You can not comprehend high level humor.

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Post by: G.R.H. on December 02, 2006, 01:29:07 PM
sorry, i like the guitar, but i don't like the seafoam green color!  :P
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Post by: YoungBlood on December 02, 2006, 03:30:47 PM
It is Giant Steps.

It was teh funny.

You can not comprehend high level humor.



I guess if that's what you call "high level humor," then I do not. However, since you quoted me talking about minor ii chords or altered minors, and you post "Giant Steps," a song without a minor ii-V7alt (not that it can't), I don't see the relation between the two.

Great song for modulations though, unless you get tired of hearing the same three keys over and over again.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: TrapsMcLats on December 04, 2006, 02:50:30 PM
No matter what anybody says, the tone a musician produces is largely based on his or her hands. The instrument can have an effect over the sound, but mostly it's what the player has in their hands that produces certain tones.
How you squeeze the strings, hold the neck, the angle your fingers are touching the strings....many things go into it.
When a player can produce a good sound, or even a similar sound from one guitar to the next, that's when you know they been doing their homework.  

http://www.savefile.com/files/312170

This is a clip of U2's The Edge getting on stage randomly at a wyclef concert, picking up a guitar that is not geared for his sound, nor is the amp or the FX... and yet, once he warms up, the tone is classic edge.  He has one of the most recognized tones in rock history.  The Edge plays on about 25 different guitars and he always sounds like himself on solid bodies, semi hollows, hollows, single coils, humbuckers, with loads of distortion, delay, flange, wah etc etc etc... The only thing that remains consistent is his hands/fingers.  I believe that the hands/fingers are what create tone, and having good gear "CAN" improve tone if you know what you're doing.  I have a buddy who is a technicaly great guitarist, but put him on my les paul and he sounds like shit.  he sounds great through his strat, but he can't play a LP.  For him, the tone is all thru his guitar and his amp.  I play any guitar and the sound is similar.  I think the large/ hard callouses on the tips of my figners are the reason.  Callouses would shorten the vibration and cause a sharper tone, which is a word people use to define my tone "sharp."  I have met other guitarists who have moderate callouses and no callouses... and the tone seems to vary on that one little aspect greatly.  Hand positions and picking are important too, but i think its all in the fingers/hands. 
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Post by: YoMamaBeenLurking on December 04, 2006, 05:43:05 PM
Nice Vid.  :)
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender
Post by: AVBG on December 04, 2006, 06:17:56 PM
http://www.savefile.com/files/312170

This is a clip of U2's The Edge getting on stage randomly at a wyclef concert, picking up a guitar that is not geared for his sound, nor is the amp or the FX... and yet, once he warms up, the tone is classic edge.  He has one of the most recognized tones in rock history.  The Edge plays on about 25 different guitars and he always sounds like himself on solid bodies, semi hollows, hollows, single coils, humbuckers, with loads of distortion, delay, flange, wah etc etc etc... The only thing that remains consistent is his hands/fingers.  I believe that the hands/fingers are what create tone, and having good gear "CAN" improve tone if you know what you're doing.  I have a buddy who is a technicaly great guitarist, but put him on my les paul and he sounds like shit.  he sounds great through his strat, but he can't play a LP.  For him, the tone is all thru his guitar and his amp.  I play any guitar and the sound is similar.  I think the large/ hard callouses on the tips of my figners are the reason.  Callouses would shorten the vibration and cause a sharper tone, which is a word people use to define my tone "sharp."  I have met other guitarists who have moderate callouses and no callouses... and the tone seems to vary on that one little aspect greatly.  Hand positions and picking are important too, but i think its all in the fingers/hands. 

great post!
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender ***PICS ADDED 2nd page***
Post by: YoungBlood on December 04, 2006, 08:20:55 PM
http://www.savefile.com/files/312170

This is a clip of U2's The Edge getting on stage randomly at a wyclef concert, picking up a guitar that is not geared for his sound, nor is the amp or the FX... and yet, once he warms up, the tone is classic edge.  He has one of the most recognized tones in rock history.  The Edge plays on about 25 different guitars and he always sounds like himself on solid bodies, semi hollows, hollows, single coils, humbuckers, with loads of distortion, delay, flange, wah etc etc etc... The only thing that remains consistent is his hands/fingers.  I believe that the hands/fingers are what create tone, and having good gear "CAN" improve tone if you know what you're doing.  I have a buddy who is a technicaly great guitarist, but put him on my les paul and he sounds like shit.  he sounds great through his strat, but he can't play a LP.  For him, the tone is all thru his guitar and his amp.  I play any guitar and the sound is similar.  I think the large/ hard callouses on the tips of my figners are the reason.  Callouses would shorten the vibration and cause a sharper tone, which is a word people use to define my tone "sharp."  I have met other guitarists who have moderate callouses and no callouses... and the tone seems to vary on that one little aspect greatly.  Hand positions and picking are important too, but i think its all in the fingers/hands. 

You get it.... :)
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender ***PICS ADDED 2nd page***
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on December 05, 2006, 01:00:44 PM
haha why would anyone pay $1400 for a fender? there are only 2 people in theworld who have got great stuff out of them and they are yngwie malmsteen and dave murray of iron maiden. oh yeah and jimi hendrix. but there are soooo many better guitars for the money. fenders are a rip off almost as much as gibson
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Post by: TrapsMcLats on December 05, 2006, 01:15:17 PM
haha why would anyone pay $1400 for a fender? there are only 2 people in theworld who have got great stuff out of them and they are yngwie malmsteen and dave murray of iron maiden. oh yeah and jimi hendrix. but there are soooo many better guitars for the money. fenders are a rip off almost as much as gibson

you probably just can't play a gibson.   let me guess, the necks are too big and you don't like the bridge humbucker settings? too bright?
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Post by: JOHN MATRIX on December 05, 2006, 01:27:38 PM
you probably just can't play a gibson.   let me guess, the necks are too big and you don't like the bridge humbucker settings? too bright?
gibsons start at like $2500. can you honestly say they are that much better than a good 6-700 dollar guitar?
i dont think so.
you are just paying for the name.
im sure they are great guitars but you can get something as good or better for over one thousand dollars less.
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Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on December 05, 2006, 01:29:15 PM
haha why would anyone pay $1400 for a fender? there are only 2 people in theworld who have got great stuff out of them and they are yngwie malmsteen and dave murray of iron maiden. oh yeah and jimi hendrix. but there are soooo many better guitars for the money. fenders are a rip off almost as much as gibson

1,400$ for a guitar is not expensive at all in the grand scheme of what you could spend. Go buy the Dimebag Darrell 199$ starter kit shithead.
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Post by: TrapsMcLats on December 05, 2006, 02:45:44 PM
gibsons start at like $2500. can you honestly say they are that much better than a good 6-700 dollar guitar?
i dont think so.
you are just paying for the name.
im sure they are great guitars but you can get something as good or better for over one thousand dollars less.


gibsons are really really good guitars man.  maybe the super high end Les pauls, es 335's and johnny smith's start that high... but you can get decent gibson gear for about a grand.  go to musiciansfriend.com  and check it out.  The Explorer, the SG, the firebird... all great guitars and not too expensive. I was a flying v very badly. 

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitar/navigation?q=gibson

Fender is a strange company.  They overprice the strats and underprice the telecaster.  The Telecaster is ten times the guitar the strat is.
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Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on December 05, 2006, 03:58:16 PM

Fender is a strange company.  They overprice the strats and underprice the telecaster.  The Telecaster is ten times the guitar the strat is.

There's too many Strats IMO. John Mayer has a fucking sig model?!?!

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Post by: YoungBlood on December 05, 2006, 04:00:58 PM
Each guitar is different, serves a different purpose.
I own a '51 Gibson ES-350, and it's a great jazz guitar (not as good as an L5, Byrdland, or Super 400), and good for blues of the jump era, or backing a harmonica.
I have a 56 Reissue Gold Top Les Paul with P-90's. Great pre-war blues guitar, again backing a harmonica and that sort of stuff.
I have a 98 335 reissue. Nice guitar, beautiful blonde finish, but the tone isn't that great. I took out the stock pickups, which are extremely bright and replaced them with Seth Lovers, and that helped, but overall I've never been really happy with it.
I have a custom made strat, which I made myself with parts I bought. Not really that great for the sound I want when I play a strat. It can have it's moments though.
By far my favorite guitar is my 63 Epiphone Riviera. Prior to Gibson buying Epiphone, the company made some great guitars. This is one of them, along with Sheratons and a few others. Mine has mini-humbuckers. This is my first wife, similar to SRV's number one. Whatever I hear in my head and want to reproduce, this guitar will do it and at the drop of a hat. I just know how to manipulate it perfectly.
Certain guitars have a feel to them, like an old pair of shoes. Sometimes, you get a sound that you hear in your head, and no matter what you do you can't do anything to get a good sound from a rig, then hear a tape of the gig, and it sounds exactly how you wanted it-completely different from what you heard on the gig. 
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Post by: TrapsMcLats on December 05, 2006, 04:08:54 PM
are those p 90 single coils or humbuckers you're referring to on the les paul?
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Post by: TrapsMcLats on December 05, 2006, 04:16:17 PM
There's too many Strats IMO. John Mayer has a fucking sig model?!?!



John mayer is not as good as everyone thinks he is.  Decent songwriter, yes (even though i don't like his songs, i recognize his perfect pop sensibility), but not that great of a guitar player.
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Post by: YoungBlood on December 05, 2006, 04:34:36 PM
are those p 90 single coils or humbuckers you're referring to on the les paul?

They're single coils. This was Gibsons main pick-up prior to the PAF humbuckers coming out. Good sound, I've always liked, but they've fallen out of favor with many due to them easily picking up noise from lights and signs (60cycle hum).
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender ***PICS ADDED 2nd page***
Post by: The Master on December 05, 2006, 04:48:16 PM
I prefer the harmonic minor actually. It's nice to play an altered minor chord as well. A very cool sound, and you can move it in minor thirds....so you're technically playing in three keys at once. Each sound you are going for in your head, will provide a different color vs. the rest of the band playing a different angle against yours.


Can you upload a file of your playing, especially the one over different altered chords?
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender ***PICS ADDED 2nd page***
Post by: YoungBlood on December 05, 2006, 04:53:18 PM
Don't have any files of my playing. Need advice playing over altered chords? Coming from a background that looked at dissonant tones as being "bad," I finally realized how to play over chords while using altered tones. 
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender ***PICS ADDED 2nd page***
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on December 05, 2006, 05:03:55 PM
John mayer is not as good as everyone thinks he is.  Decent songwriter, yes (even though i don't like his songs, i recognize his perfect pop sensibility), but not that great of a guitar player.

he actually doesn't write his songs either.


btw a Bruce Springstein Relic Tele would be awesome
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender ***PICS ADDED 2nd page***
Post by: TrapsMcLats on December 05, 2006, 05:26:19 PM
he actually doesn't write his songs either.


btw a Bruce Springstein Relic Tele would be awesome

I'm pretty sure he writes his stuff... there's no way a guy with that average of a voice would be getting songs written for him.  I mean, he's credited as the writer on his albums.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender ***PICS ADDED 2nd page***
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on December 07, 2006, 04:39:47 AM
So, when will you smarten up and start playing Yngwie songs on that guitar?

When you're even smarter, you'll start playing Dream Theater.

You will be god the day you play like Petrucci.

 ;D

Then, when you are in heaven, you're playing jazz.



I remember telling Power Rod on AIM that I was scalloping my fretboard and he didn't like that one bit.
Title: Re: I Purchased a Fender ***PICS ADDED 2nd page***
Post by: gtbro1 on December 07, 2006, 04:50:42 AM
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