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Last night I learned that the executive branch is putting wheels in motion to sell American Airlines (of all things), to foreign investors. Apparently congress is up in arms. This has to be one of the dumbest moves of all time. We are in the midst of extremely hostile times towards our country and yet this moron thinks that giving outside interests control over our airspace, flight patterns etc. is a good thing? This is too much for even me to brush off. George it's time to go. >:(
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its bushes fault?
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Umm.. American Airlines is a publicly trade company under AMR Corporation.
There are already Foreign investors with shares in the company.
Umm... FAA controls the airspace.
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Bush is in lame duck status, were all doomed anyway..lets get naked and drunk..:)
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Umm.. American Airlines is a publicly trade company under AMR Corporation.
There are already Foreign investors with shares in the company.
Umm... FAA controls the airspace.
Admittedly it was around 4AM last night and I was pretty shot as I was watching the story. Seemed a very hotbed issue and not something to just brush off.
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Umm... FAA controls the airspace.
you sure about that? LOL...
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I though Richard B. Cheney was head of Norad and the FAA? Or was he just filling in on 9/11? ;D
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I though Richard B. Cheney was head of Norad and the FAA? Or was he just filling in on 9/11? ;D
He is. Inc ase anyone wonders, the reason NORAD couldn't shoot down planes on 9/11 is that all their orders went thru Cheny.
norman minetta, cabinet member (transportation i believe) witnessed Cheney being asked repeatedly "Does the order still stand? It's 20 miles out. 10 miles out. 5 miles out." Cheney said "Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything different?"
Would be VERY interesting to get Cheney on the stand and ask him to clarify. Since all shootdowns went thru him, it's pretty likely that young white house aide was asking about the plane appraoching at exactly that same moment, eh? ;)
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I think Mr. Cheney was hiding in his bunker trying to get really drunk and hide the fact that he crapped his pants.
On 9-11 no one controlled the airspace that was the major problem.
I would image if a major hijacking of multiple planes happens again the FAA and NORAD would fail again.
Agencies don't talk.
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If anyone wants to really know...
The Truth about the FAA.... I have a close family friend whom i've know over 20 years who holds a very high level job with the FAA and has held a position as an "air space manager".
So you don't have to rely on some blog/forum or web site full of "wanna be experts" or "truth movement" experts.
So perhaps all this bull shit speculation by people who think they know how things work and of what should or shouldn't have happen can be put to rest.
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If anyone wants to really know...
The Truth about the FAA.... I have a close family friend whom i've know over 20 years who holds a very high level job with the FAA and has held a position as an "air space manager".
So you don't have to rely on some blog/forum or web site full of "wanna be experts" or "truth movement" experts.
Great could you shoot me his number I really just want to clear it up..:) Thanks.
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I think Mr. Cheney was hiding in his bunker trying to get really drunk and hide the fact that he crapped his pants.
On 9-11 no one controlled the airspace that was the major problem.
I would image if a major hijacking of multiple planes happens again the FAA and NORAD would fail again.
Agencies don't talk.
Nooooooo.... Ummmm......... NORAD could have taken down any plane in the air, they could right now if they needed to. There was another reason why they didn't take down those airliners.
You know Military Jets intercept planes that fly to close or over no fly zones all the time. So why couldn't they do it on 9/11? NORAD doesn't need the FAA, they have there own radar and can dispatch jets anywhere around the country.
240, didn't they send many planes to Alaska for some kind of drill before 9/11?
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Great could you shoot me his number I really just want to clear it up..:) Thanks.
Nah, he wouldn;t appreciate that. but i can ask him direct questions and post the answers.
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right.
it's so much fun to learn about what's going on in America and how you guys think.
Today, here in the little UK islands, they've shut down most flights due to possible russian radioactiveness.
I'm wondering...
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Nah, he wouldn;t appreciate that. but i can ask him direct questions and post the answers.
Oh, OK. Just ask him if 9/11 was an inside job, or if foreign terrorists were the culprit. ;D
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Nah, he wouldn;t appreciate that. but i can ask him direct questions and post the answers.
ask him why FAA knew at 8:16 we had a hijacked plane, but no fighters had been launched until the minute after the pentagon was hit at 9:38 am. (Guiliani and White house in "take one" of their story)
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Nooooooo.... Ummmm........ didn't they send many planes to Alaska for some kind of drill before 9/11?
yep, I was at Vancouver Island that year (98/99) and i can confirm that the airspace was fullup
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ask him why FAA knew at 8:16 we had a hijacked plane, but no fighters had been launched until the minute after the pentagon was hit at 9:38 am. (Guiliani and White house in "take one" of their story)
Ignore the NORAD tapes.
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or if foreign terrorists ;D
just what is a foreign
terrorist
(I'm a tourist
naa, i'm not, i'm from someplaceelse
xetc
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just what is a foreign
terrorist
(I'm a tourist
xetc
Opposite of a domestic terrorist? 8)
P.S. This is off topic, but do you know all those crazy ass British cuss words that Americans have never heard? Love that stuff! :-*
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cuss words? I haven't heard that since I lived in America.
Ought we do rude port jokes or air space ones?
xL
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ok
When my ship comes in, I'll be at the airport.
xL
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ok
When my ship comes in, I'll be at the airport.
xL
Are you high? lol
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Oh, OK. Just ask him if 9/11 was an inside job, or if foreign terrorists were the culprit. ;D
I asked him that a few months ago when i started debating with 240. He said absolutley no. He explained to me what happen on that day and why. It was a little complicated. But made sense.
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ask him why FAA knew at 8:16 we had a hijacked plane, but no fighters had been launched until the minute after the pentagon was hit at 9:38 am. (Guiliani and White house in "take one" of their story)
240------------- I'll ask him those questions later today or tommorrow and get back with you. I'm a bit busy to today and i'll have to wait till he gets off or work.
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I asked him that a few months ago when i started debating with 240. He said absolutley no. He explained to me what happen on that day and why. It was a little complicated. But made sense.
I'm still considering everything, but overwhelmingly the evidence in my opinion shows something else happend on 9/11.
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I'm still considering everything, but overwhelmingly the evidence in my opinion shows something else happend on 9/11.
I agree there is some suspcious things that happened that don;t seem to jive. But i believe that's mostly becuase people are trying to cover their asses becuase of incompitence. The idea that the whole thing was a staged inside job is fantasy.
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Looks like thermite or someones in there running an oxy/acetylene torch? ???
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And because this thread has now been "hijacked" by 240 and the 911 nonsense I'm now changing the name. ::)
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I'm still considering everything, but overwhelmingly the evidence in my opinion shows something else happend on 9/11.
that day completely changed my life and I haven't been complacent since.
Nor have I been completely happy or sane.
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And because this thread has now been "hijacked" by 240 and the 911 nonsense I'm now changing the name. ::)
lol. Who knew? :)
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you did
ps: toxic alert toxic alert. Do not go near an English airport. It's radioactiveness there.
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lol. Who knew? :)
You would think an important issue like this one could have an unmolested thread, but then again, nowadays almost any topic here can spin into the same recycled arguements over 911. :P
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they don't have many skyscrapers in England.
Lots of ports though. And railways. The airports will re-open tomorrow?
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Looks like thermite or someones in there running an oxy/acetylene torch? ???
Can you really draw an exact conclusion from a video?
Are you a thermite expert?
Do you have all the information on all the factors that were going on in that spot that cuased what you saw in the video to happen?
You see Ben, this is why people sometimes can draw false conclusions.
REsearch the pictures of the python that swallowed a person. They looked real. they were later proven to be fake.
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lighten up
xL
landing pad...
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Here you go Linda --> http://www.nyctourist.com/xmas_rockcenter1.htm
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Apparently a few of the Usual Suspects in General are Clueless as Usual...
I've read a few misconceptions in this thread that this article should straighten up for those who are actually willing to read. I know a few who are not and will no doubt continue to spew based on their own understanding of things... The last i heard on this was during the summer some time after the ports fiasco so I do not know where things stand on the issue as of today.
Foreign ownership of U.S. airlines?
Bush ready to defy Congress' ban despite pilots' fears of another Dubai ports deal
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Posted: July 18, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
The Department of Transportation, acting under President Bush's orders, is preparing to issue an administrative ruling that would open U.S. airlines up to foreign ownership, despite specific prohibitions and warnings from Congress, as well as predictions by pilots that another Dubai ports controversy is in the offing.
The proposed ruling puts the Air Line Pilots Association, or ALPA – the largest airline pilot union in the world representing 61,000 pilots who fly for 40 U.S. and Canadian airlines – at odds with the Bush administration.
The administration is determined to comply with European Union demands presented in the November 2005 "open skies" negotiations. (So-called "open skies" agreements are bilateral or multilateral agreements that liberalize the rules for international aviation markets and minimize government intervention.)
The EU is threatening to delay the signing of an open skies treaty unless the U.S. changes restrictions on the percentage of a U.S. airline that can be foreign-owned. The U.S. currently has 74 bilateral open skies agreements, none of which require any rule changes on the foreign ownership of U.S. airlines.
The Bush administration continues to advocate the EU position, arguing that the Department of Transportation should issue new administrative rules, if necessary, even in direct defiance of Congress.
U.S. pilots have provided WND with copies of draft letters the Air Line Pilots Association has organized.
ALPA is encouraging pilots to write letters and e-mails of protest to Congress, newspapers and national television and radio outlets.
"Do not underestimate the seriousness of this issue!" ALPA has advised, "This is do-or-die, sink-or-swim time."
Some U.S. pilots who have spoken with WND on condition of anonymity expressed concern about job reprisals.
The pilots have argued another Dubai Ports World-type controversy is brewing in which the "Bush administration does not care about selling out key U.S. assets to foreigners." ALPA calls for action echo the alarm:
The writing is clearly on the wall! This Administration wants foreign investors, airlines or otherwise, to pay for the costs of our aviation infrastructure, while risking hundreds of thousands of aviation jobs, the Civil Reserve Air Fleet program (CRAF), and the safety and security of our national airspace. Forty percent of all Air Force Reserve and National Guard pilots are also airline pilots.
ALPA believes the foreign-ownership issue is a fight for survival:
The time to act is now! Together, with every pilot across this country participating in this effort, we can stop this rogue attack on our profession and our industry. There is no issue more important than preventing this NPRM (Notice of Proposed Rulemaking) from moving forward. If the White House is successful in changing the foreign ownership rules through DOT affirmative action, within just a few short years our industry will mirror the maritime industry. Our jobs will no longer exist, our country's ability to militarily act abroad will be handicapped, and our families may no longer be safe in our own airspace!
The ALPA concern concludes with this: "Our country already has a dependence upon foreign oil. Are we going to allow the DOT to make air travel dependent on foreign airlines, too?"
On June 14, in an official statement of administration policy, the Office of Management and Budget in the executive office of the president put out a notice that the Department of Transportation intended to change the foreign ownership rule by issuing a new administrative rule:
The Administration understands that an amendment may be offered to prohibit the use of funds to implement a final rule regarding foreign investment in U.S. airlines. The proposed rule would facilitate a landmark agreement with the European Union that would provide significant benefit to consumers as well as the domestic passenger and cargo airline industry. The Administration has worked with Congress to address concerns with the final rule and recently extended the final comment period by an additional 60 days. The Administration strongly opposes any amendment that would prevent the Department of Transportation from finalizing its rule.
To counter the Bush administration, five congressmen wrote a letter eight days later, June 22, to DOT Secretary Norman Mineta on U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure stationary.
In citing specific congressional prohibitions, the letter noted Congress had taken two specific actions to put the White House on notice that "a major change to the current law regarding foreign ownership of U.S. airlines should be accomplished only by congressional action, not unilaterally imposed by the executive branch."
The letter cited the following congressional prohibitions:
First, the Conference Report on H.R. 4939, Making Emergency Supplementary Appropriations for the Fiscal Year Ending September 30, 2006, includes 'language preventing the Secretary from issuing a final rule regarding foreign control of U.S. airlines for 120 days.' Second, during consideration of H.R. 5576 – the Transportation, Treasury, Housing and Urban Development, the Judiciary, the District of Columbia, and Independent Agencies Appropriations Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (TTHUD appropriations), the House adopted, by an overwhelming vote of 291 to 137, an amendment prohibiting the department from finalizing or implementing the policy proposed in the rulemaking during the next fiscal year.
The letter concluded by reminding Mineta, "the courts have ruled that an executive branch agency does not have authority to interpret a law in a manner inconsistent with the plain meaning of the words of the law."
Signing the letter were Reps. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif.; chairman of the Armed Services Committee; Frank A. LoBiondo, R-N.J.; chairman on the Coast Guard and Maritime Transportation Subcommittee; Ted Poe, R-Texas; James L. Oberstar. D-Minn., ranking Democratic member on the Transportation and Infrastructure Subcommittee; and Jerry F. Costello, D-Ill., ranking Democratic member of the Subcommittee on Aviation.
A major proponent of the rule change has been Under Secretary of Transportation Jeffery Shane, who was quoted on a government Web site in April suggesting Mineta remains "committed to completing this important rulemaking procedure."
Shane also noted the proposed rule "has been the focus of far more controversy in the U.S., frankly, than we had anticipated."
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U.S. Officials Urge Congress Not To Block Airline Investment Rule
U.S.-EU air transport liberalization depends on it, they tell House panel
By Andrzej Zwaniecki
Washington File Staff Writer
Washington -- A "unique" opportunity to reach agreement on liberalizing air transport between the United States and the European Union (EU) is likely to be lost if Congress blocks a proposed regulatory change intended to allow more foreign investment in ailing U.S. airlines, Bush administration officials say.
John Byerly, deputy assistant secretary of state, suggested that the EU has made a long-sought open skies agreement between the two parties conditional on adoption of a proposed Department of Transportation (DOT) rule intended to expand opportunities for foreign citizens to invest in U.S. carriers and participate in their management. (See related article.)
Byerly told a House of Representatives' transportation subcommittee February 8 that the EU's 25 transport ministers will wait for a final rule before they give necessary consent to an agreed text of the agreement at their June meeting.
Some legislators who question the legality and supposed benefits of the proposed change have interjected themselves into the rulemaking process and introduced legislation that would effectively block for a year the issuance of a final rule. Absent congressional action, the final rule is expected to be issued this spring.
Byerly espoused the potential benefits of an open skies agreement with the EU such as expanding open skies rights to all EU members, removing restrictions on access to key European airports, particularly London's Heathrow, and encouraging trans-Atlantic competition and cooperation.
He appealed to lawmakers not to let an opportunity to reach such an agreement with the EU pass. He said that in a year, market and other conditions may change and the opportunity might be lost.
Open skies agreements give airlines of involved countries the right to operate air services from any point in one country to any point in the other, as well as to and from third countries. The United States so far has negotiated 74 bilateral open skies agreements.
At the heart of the controversy is the DOT proposal that would allow foreign investors to enter into investment deals with U.S. airlines giving them power to make operational decisions concerning, for example, rates and routes a carrier serves. The change would apply only to international investors from countries that have open skies agreements with the United States. It would allow similar investments by U.S. citizens in those countries' domestic airlines.
At the same time, the proposal would continue to preclude foreign citizens control over security and safety issues.
At the hearing, members of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Subcommittee on Aviation uniformly questioned not only the rule itself but even the department's authority to issue it.
Transportation Under Secretary Jeffrey Shane, who also testified, strongly defended DOT prerogatives. He said the department has the right to interpret a legal requirement concerning "actual control" of U.S. airlines and that the proposal would not alter that requirement, but change how DOT interprets it.
Current law mandates that U.S. airlines must be under the “actual control” of U.S. citizens to be licensed for operation. For corporations, this means at least 75 percent of the voting interest must be held by U.S. citizens and two-thirds of the directors and officers must be U.S. citizens.
Shane, who presented the proposed rulemaking as part of the department's deregulation agenda, said that substantial structural changes have taken place since the original law was enacted and its narrow interpretation established.
He said that DOT tentatively concluded that its current interpretation of the actual control test has failed to keep pace with those changes by "needlessly" restricting commercial opportunities for U.S. airlines and their ability to compete.
Shane said that U.S. airlines require significant capital investment and therefore should have the "broadest access to global capital markets permitted by law."
Most U.S. cargo and passenger airlines support the change; labor unions oppose it.
Subcommittee members expressed concern that increased power of foreign nationals to influence managerial decisions could pose risk to national defense and security.
But Shane assured them that his department had consulted the Defense Department about its intentions and encountered no objections.
The text of Shane’s prepared testimony is available on the DOT Web site.
Background information on the hearing is available on the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Web site.
http://usinfo.state.gov/eur/Archive/2006/Feb/09-211270.html
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Thank you Berserker for finding this info :)
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On June 14, in an official statement of administration policy, the Office of Management and Budget in the executive office of the president put out a notice that the Department of Transportation intended to change the foreign ownership rule by issuing a new administrative rule:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/OMB/legislative/sap/109-2/hr5576sap-h.pdf
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To counter the Bush administration, five congressmen wrote a letter eight days later, June 22, to DOT Secretary Norman Mineta on U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure stationary
https://crewroom.alpa.org/DesktopModules/ALPA_Documents/ALPA_DocumentsView.aspx?itemid=3933&ModuleId=1316&Tabid=256
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Thank you Berserker for finding this info :)
No Problemo :)
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Ignore the NORAD tapes.
correction, Ignore Jokers ;)
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Presently the ownership cap is set at 25%.
Open skies is a separate issue.
http://usinfo.state.gov/eur/Archive/2005/Nov/04-486855.html (http://usinfo.state.gov/eur/Archive/2005/Nov/04-486855.html)
“The proposed rule would allow international investors more say in some aspects of airline operations, but retain current domestic ownership and labor protections in U.S. airlines,” Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta said in a November 2 DOT press release.
The department will accept public comments on the proposal for 60 days after its publication in the Federal Register. DOT must review and consider the comments prior to issuing a final rule, which might differ from the proposal. No changes can take effect until a final rule is adopted.
The proposal was released as the Bush administration seeks to conclude a long-stalled open-skies agreement with the European Union, which has raised objections to the U.S. restriction on foreign ownership of U.S. airlines.
The administration previously proposed increasing the foreign ownership cap to 49 percent from 25 percent, but to date Congress has shown no interest in considering that change.
The press release and the full text (PDF, 31 pages) of the proposal are available on the DOT Web site.
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*IF* it was nothing more than a coverup for incompetence, then we should know that too.
That means the same people who let hijacked airliners fly unfettered on 9/11 for over an hour, are still holding those same highly important jobs.
But I have watched, read, and researched for 8 months now. I tried so many ways to explain how it could have just been those 19 guys. But it wasn't. It saddens me greatly to think about it. It really sucks. I don't blame anyone who prefers their bliss to the stress that comes with believing it. But until they have a second investigation, test the damn metal (why the fuck they refused - this speaks volumes), I will still believe what I do.
Everyone is free to believe what they wish. I just encourage everyone to do a little research before they criticize this viewpoint. I have a degree in history and an MBA with econ, and it still took a lot of time before I would accept it, even given historical evidence of false flag ops and the economic necessity of 911. So for someone without those backgrounds (and with the same pro-repub stance I used to have) it might take longer. Who knows.
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*IF* it was nothing more than a coverup for incompetence, then we should know that too.
That means the same people who let hijacked airliners fly unfettered on 9/11 for over an hour, are still holding those same highly important jobs.
But I have watched, read, and researched for 8 months now. I tried so many ways to explain how it could have just been those 19 guys. But it wasn't. It saddens me greatly to think about it. It really sucks. I don't blame anyone who prefers their bliss to the stress that comes with believing it. But until they have a second investigation, test the damn metal (why the f**k they refused - this speaks volumes), I will still believe what I do.
Everyone is free to believe what they wish. I just encourage everyone to do a little research before they criticize this viewpoint. I have a degree in history and an MBA with econ, and it still took a lot of time before I would accept it, even given historical evidence of false flag ops and the economic necessity of 911. So for someone without those backgrounds (and with the same pro-repub stance I used to have) it might take longer. Who knows.
Nice southpark episode last night :-X :)
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*IF* it was nothing more than a coverup for incompetence, then we should know that too.
That means the same people who let hijacked airliners fly unfettered on 9/11 for over an hour, are still holding those same highly important jobs.
But I have watched, read, and researched for 8 months now. I tried so many ways to explain how it could have just been those 19 guys. But it wasn't. It saddens me greatly to think about it. It really sucks. I don't blame anyone who prefers their bliss to the stress that comes with believing it. But until they have a second investigation, test the damn metal (why the f**k they refused - this speaks volumes), I will still believe what I do.
Everyone is free to believe what they wish. I just encourage everyone to do a little research before they criticize this viewpoint. I have a degree in history and an MBA with econ, and it still took a lot of time before I would accept it, even given historical evidence of false flag ops and the economic necessity of 911. So for someone without those backgrounds (and with the same pro-repub stance I used to have) it might take longer. Who knows.
Thats good I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering.
How can a recession be good for the national economy
http://www.democrats.com/node/5397/print (http://www.democrats.com/node/5397/print)
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Nice southpark episode last night :-X :)
Hey 240 is it hard to run your company when every few minute the "911 alarm" goes off and you have to slide down your batpole and into your fortress of truth and righteous indignation? ;D
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Hey 240 is it hard to run your company when every few minute the "911 alarm" goes off and you have to slide down your batpole and into your fortress of truth and righteous indignation? ;D
ROFLMAO with a bass under one arm and his baby boy under the other ;D
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Presently the ownership cap is set at 25%.
Open skies is a separate issue.
http://usinfo.state.gov/eur/Archive/2005/Nov/04-486855.html (http://usinfo.state.gov/eur/Archive/2005/Nov/04-486855.html)
“The proposed rule would allow international investors more say in some aspects of airline operations, but retain current domestic ownership and labor protections in U.S. airlines,” Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta said in a November 2 DOT press release.
The department will accept public comments on the proposal for 60 days after its publication in the Federal Register. DOT must review and consider the comments prior to issuing a final rule, which might differ from the proposal. No changes can take effect until a final rule is adopted.
The proposal was released as the Bush administration seeks to conclude a long-stalled open-skies agreement with the European Union, which has raised objections to the U.S. restriction on foreign ownership of U.S. airlines.
The administration previously proposed increasing the foreign ownership cap to 49 percent from 25 percent, but to date Congress has shown no interest in considering that change.
The press release and the full text (PDF, 31 pages) of the proposal are available on the DOT Web site.
Joker, that's 2005 information you posted... The info I posted above on open skies and Bush's intention to increase % of foreign ownership are from this year. ;) If you would finally clue in and decide to read something for once you would have not made yourself look like an ass by posting this.
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ROFLMAO with a bass under one arm and his baby boy under the other ;D
LMAO...bedtime stories at the 240 house...
One upon a time there was this massive coverup..no don't cry I know you heard it before but there's more.... ;D
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Hey 240 is it hard to run your company when every few minute the "911 alarm" goes off and you have to slide down your batpole and into your fortress of truth and righteous indignation? ;D
ROFLMAO with a bass under one arm and his baby boy under the other ;D
LOL... this is going to make a great comic book!
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LOL... this is going to make a great comic book!
You want to talk about whats comic...pulling the wool over the peoples eyes about 911....ha ha YMBL I got it in first... ;D
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You want to talk about whats comic...pulling the wool over the peoples eyes about 911....ha ha YMBL I got it in first... ;D
Or did I ;)
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This is back ground information about what the actual ownership is right now.
I read your information and it didn't explain present ownership rules in the US.
Here is the complete bill released in November 2005. This the bill that is being debated at present and what the article you posted was about.
http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf93/367266_web.pdf (http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf93/367266_web.pdf)
I guessed you missed that.
Thanks for assuming that I didn't read it. At least you finally posted something useful that won't take 1 hr 15 min. of my life.
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LMAO... nah, i argue it only when others tell fibs, like kh300 did. irritated me. baby sleeping and i hate practicing bass, only use it at shows or practice to be honest
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*IF* it was nothing more than a coverup for incompetence, then we should know that too.
That means the same people who let hijacked airliners fly unfettered on 9/11 for over an hour, are still holding those same highly important jobs.
But I have watched, read, and researched for 8 months now. I tried so many ways to explain how it could have just been those 19 guys. But it wasn't. It saddens me greatly to think about it. It really sucks. I don't blame anyone who prefers their bliss to the stress that comes with believing it. But until they have a second investigation, test the damn metal (why the f**k they refused - this speaks volumes), I will still believe what I do.
Everyone is free to believe what they wish. I just encourage everyone to do a little research before they criticize this viewpoint. I have a degree in history and an MBA with econ, and it still took a lot of time before I would accept it, even given historical evidence of false flag ops and the economic necessity of 911. So for someone without those backgrounds (and with the same pro-repub stance I used to have) it might take longer. Who knows.
If there were coverups becuase of incompetence we wouldn't know "all" the facts and likely never will know "all" of them.
Becuase of that there are all sorts of things we can draw incorrect conclusions from being that we are on the outside, "ordinary citizens" using blogs/forums whose "facts" mostly come from not so credible sources and tainted speculations.
Also too, you know i've done some research on these points.
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let's move inland.
huddle?
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LMAO... nah, i argue it only when others tell fibs, like kh300 did. irritated me. baby sleeping and i hate practicing bass, only use it at shows or practice to be honest
Its always good when the little one goes to sleep...just like Bush wants us to do about 911...ok I can't stop now sorry..:)
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Umm.. American Airlines is a publicly trade company under AMR Corporation.
There are already Foreign investors with shares in the company.
Umm... FAA controls the airspace.
Don't pretend that you weren't ignorant to the fact that there was a cap on the % foreign investors could own in American Airlines. If you had not been, the issue would have been on the cap. ;) not the obvious.
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nor i, but i'm not sorry.
I doubt you got the story there which explains the above cartoon? A BA employee (ok she was a bornagain mad christian) got fired for wearing a little tiny bit of jewellry.
I need a St. Christophers
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I thought you were done for the nite xL?
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Don't pretend that you weren't ignorant to the fact that there was a cap on the % foreign investors could own in American Airlines. If you had not been, the issue would have been on the cap. ;) not the obvious.
which airspace you talking 'bout. I know very little, but I would imagine the british own this bit and as for the rest (right on the map, sideways, go figure
xl
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Your right I was ignorant of the cap.
However the topic was foreign ownership and the conclusion made by many is that there was no foreign ownership.
Don't pretend that you even knew there was any foreign investment.
I knew there was some foreign ownership because Canadians own shares in airlines through mutual funds.
I had no idea about the cap. interestingly Canada's airlines laws are the same as America.
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I thought you were done for the nite xL?
did i say that?
naaa, i said I was going to go out shopping then changed my mind, I can do that tomorrow. & I saved like £100
plus it's only 8ish pm & that's not done for the night. I was obviously planning on going away completely (you'd understand why), but since STella dreamt of England and me, I've gotten right back up again. a new keyboard and this virgin HD helps. And my new brand new painted living room. Can't wait to decorate.
stars etc.
&tinsel
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I think Mr. Cheney was hiding in his bunker trying to get really drunk and hide the fact that he crapped his pants.
On 9-11 no one controlled the airspace that was the major problem.
I would image if a major hijacking of multiple planes happens again the FAA and NORAD would fail again.
Agencies don't talk.
so you think on 9/11 we should have already had war planes flying in new york city air space anticipating attack?
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You want to talk about whats comic...pulling the wool over the peoples eyes about 911....ha ha YMBL I got it in first... ;D
Ya, funny that there are so many jokers who can't see the truth... Not so funny that these jokers will enable our demise through their ignorance...
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Your right I was ignorant of the cap.
However the topic was foreign ownership and the conclusion made by many is that there was no foreign ownership.
Don't pretend that you even knew there was any foreign investment.
I knew there was some foreign ownership because Canadians own shares in airlines through mutual funds.
I had no idea about the cap. interestingly Canada's airlines laws are the same as America.
May I say this without seeming anti anything>
You Americans have no idea about the rest of the world.
sorry
etc.
coming back if i may,
to apologise?
xL
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May I say this without seeming anti anything>
You Americans have no idea about the rest of the world.
sorry
etc.
coming back if i may,
to apologise?
xL
You are so weird. You are stranger than Medford. ROFL
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Your right I was ignorant of the cap.
However the topic was foreign ownership and the conclusion made by many is that there was no foreign ownership.
Don't pretend that you even knew there was any foreign investment.
I knew there was some foreign ownership because Canadians own shares in airlines through mutual funds.
I had no idea about the cap. interestingly Canada's airlines laws are the same as America.
actually you dumb fucker, I kept up on it mostly through Lou Dobbs and through other news sources when it was headline news... ::) It was also on the radio talk shows asshole ;) So I did know. I kept up with the ports deal too...
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You are so weird. You are stranger than Medford. ROFL
Look up the word weird. It means fate.
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so you think on 9/11 we should have already had war planes flying in new york city air space anticipating attack?
America has the biggest military on earth and the couldn't stop this attack.
There are many things show massive amounts of incompetence.
America has Nuclear Aircraft Carriers, None located near the US.
Patriot missile systems are not located in any major city.
How come fighters took so long to be scrambled.
Why is NORAD and FAA interconnected.
How come billions are spent on the CIA and FBI yet they wouldn't believe or follow up on leads before the attack.
How come the 9-11 commission report is not being implemented.
Personally I think that is the craziest thing.
America is spending billions to monitor the Canadian border yet won't spend any money to implement the report with the remedies to fix the problem.
People complain about or debate about another report, yet they ignore the Patriot act.
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Lou Dobbs...BINGO, that was who I was watching at 4 AM when I heard this!
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Look up the word weird. It means fate.
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Holy shit, I didn't know that. Are you a robot?
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actually you dumb fucker, I kept up on it mostly through Lou Dobbs and through other news sources when it was headline news... ::) It was also on the radio talk shows asshole ;) So I did know. I kept up with the ports deal too...
Funny that you say this when the document that I posted was the bloody press release.
But you knew that because you watch headline news. ::)
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Lou Dobbs...BINGO, that was who I was watching at 4 AM when I heard this!
Yes Lou has periodically kept up on the Dubai company to make sure they sell to an American company. The Airlines issue is also brought up often on Dobbs as with all security issues... He's real good that way, I tivo that program every day.
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tivo
What's a tivo?
Just kidding, I want one though!
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America has the biggest military on earth and the couldn't stop this attack.
There are many things show massive amounts of incompetence.
America has Nuclear Aircraft Carriers, None located near the US.
Patriot missile systems are not located in any major city.
How come fighters took so long to be scrambled.
Why is NORAD and FAA interconnected.
How come billions are spent on the CIA and FBI yet they wouldn't believe or follow up on leads before the attack.
How come the 9-11 commission report is not being implemented.
Personally I think that is the craziest thing.
America is spending billions to monitor the Canadian border yet won't spend any money to implement the report with the remedies to fix the problem.
People complain about or debate about another report, yet they ignore the Patriot act.
uh huh.
What about this small island group across the Atlantic to the far right on the map?
you and who and Australia? I'll quote troop numbers if you like.
xetc.
war
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Funny that you say this when the document that I posted was the bloody press release.
But you knew that because you watch headline news. ::)
you said I didn't know about foreign ownership rules on our airlines...I DID... I'm telling you you're fucking full of shit... You can't watch lou dobbs regularly and NOT FUCKING KNOW IT... The issue was headline news on several programs this summer... If you watch the fucking news, you would know this... Keep making an ass out of yourself... I knew this fuckhead... Lots of people did.... There are transcripts for all the Lou Dobbs programs, go do a search and find out how much they have dealt with the issue on that one program... ::)
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What's a tivo?
Just kidding, I want one though!
Actually it's probably not tivo, I don't know what it is... On Dish you can set the box to record anything and watch it whenever. I just didn't know what to call it :-\
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and to prove I like and watch Lou regularly, this makes for grade A evidence ;D
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=88465.0
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I think something else has hijacked this thread from the 9/11 'ers
This thread is turning into a hijacking ho.
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;D ;D ;D ;D
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=88465.msg1267424#msg1267424
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I think something else has hijacked this thread from the 9/11 'ers
This thread is turning into a hijacking ho.
but it's funny, no?
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just don't blame me, ok?
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XXXLinda... Stop being such an ass and delete the everything tivo post.
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but it's funny, no?
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just don't blame me, ok?
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no it's not, now please fucking stop doing this shit you stupid fucking crack whore.
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you said I didn't know about foreign ownership rules on our airlines...I DID... I'm telling you you're fucking full of shit... You can't watch lou dobbs regularly and NOT FUCKING KNOW IT... The issue was headline news on several programs this summer... If you watch the fucking news, you would know this... Keep making an ass out of yourself... I knew this fuckhead... Lots of people did.... There are transcripts for all the Lou Dobbs programs, go do a search and find out how much they have dealt with the issue on that one program... ::)
There is already foreign ownership. What I said was correct. You are pissed I corrected you and you didn't know the level of foreign ownership. You ignore the facts and instead attack me. Fine
Do you know which airlines have partial Canadian ownership.
Canada already has open skies agreements with the US and are hoping to expand them this year to Europe with or without the US.
If America doesn't cooperate, it looks like Pearson airport in Toronto will become the busiest airport in North America.
But you knew this too.
I don't watch CNN. Instead I watch the CBC and CTV.
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XXXLinda... Stop being such an ass and delete the everything tivo post.
but why?
can't you just scroll past it and laugh?
etc.
madly
Linda
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There is already foreign ownership. What I said was correct. You are pissed I corrected you and you didn't know the level of foreign ownership. You ignore the facts and instead attack me. Fine
Do you know which airlines have partial Canadian ownership.
Canada already has open skies agreements with the US and are hoping to expand them this year to Europe with or without the US.
If America doesn't cooperate, it looks like Pearson airport in Toronto will become the busiest airport in North America.
But you knew this too.
I don't watch CNN. Instead I watch the CBC and CTV.
OH SHUT UP ::) No... I knew you didn't know about the cap by the way you worded your post. I posted all that stuff to correct your misconception. You admitted to not knowing the cap and said I didn't know there was any foreign ownership which I have pretty much shown to be not true... Your spin attempt sucks.... I always knew it was about the level of foreign ownership since the issue was brought into the public discourse this last summer... you corrected shit idiot ::)
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no it's not, now please fucking stop doing this shit you stupid fucking crack whore.
does that mean I may now call you a nasty name?
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This is my setup... ROFL...
Is that sploog running down your tv ???
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does that mean I may now call you a nasty name?
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NO whore, it means you can kill yourself now so we don't have to read your stupid crap anymore... Now go away you annoying bitch.
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Is that sploog running down your tv ???
Ummm.... No, its.... ummm.... Hell.... I don't know..
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OH SHUT UP ::) No... I knew you didn't know about the cap by the way you worded your post. I posted all that stuff to correct your misconception. You admitted to not knowing the cap and said I didn't know there was any foreign ownership which I have pretty much shown to be not true... Your spin attempt sucks.... I always knew it was about the level of foreign ownership since the issue was brought into the public discourse this last summer... you corrected shit idiot ::)
I knew there was foreign ownership because Canadians own shares in American airlines and other airline companies.
I didn't know there was a cap. If you new there was a cap then your information would have said so.
But, your information made it sound like there was zero foreign ownership. I corrected that.
Thanks for the name calling btw it is always easier to argue me then the facts.
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NO whore, it means you can kill yourself now so we don't have to read your stupid crap anymore... Now go away you annoying bitch.
okay nice happy man
But no wonder we're worried in this country when there are people like you across the pond...
haha ha you fat ugly piece of shit (that's you I mean, not the rest of your country)
xL
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I knew there was foreign ownership because Canadians own shares in American airlines and other airline companies.
I didn't know there was a cap. If you new there was a cap then your information would have said so.
But, your information made it sound like there was zero foreign ownership. I corrected that.
Thanks for the name calling btw it is always easier to argue me then the facts.
I KNEW THERE WAS A CAP YOU ASSHOLE... IF I KNEW THERE WAS A CAP I KNEW THERE WAS FOREIGN OWNERSHIP... GO KILL YOURSELF YOU SUCK AS SPINNING... f a g g o t CANADIAN POS... HOW FUCKING STUPID ARE YOU.... MORE PROOF YOU CAN'T READ!!!!!!!!! THE FIRST ARTICLE I POSTED SAID; "The EU is threatening to delay the signing of an open skies treaty unless the U.S. changes restrictions on the percentage of a U.S. airline that can be foreign-owned." OH NOW WHAT HUH OH NOW YOU JUST GO AWAY AND DON'T HAVE A SORRY I WAS FULL OF SHIT REPLY RIGHT YOU FUCKER???? but you act like you corrected me after I posted this.... ::) asshole...
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Meltdown? LOL ;D
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Joker, you also prove you didn't read that article because you up and say at one point that the open skies is a separate issue... If you had read the goddamned article you would have known the open skies info was posted as reference to the article on what the EU was using as leverage.
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Meltdown? LOL ;D
and it was worth every letter, felt good.... ;D
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i give up. Have your ports and airspaces. We can't mess about with you after all.
bye
have fun without me. Talk about America,
& never get a passport, eat lots of junk food and you'll never fit on an airplane anyways. So don't travel. Sit there.
byezbye
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EU was using as leverage.
I doubt the EU has anything remotely rhyming with leverage. Joke no?
gotta go
byyyyeeeeeeee
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i give up. Have your ports and airspaces. We can't mess about with you after all.
bye
have fun without me. Talk about America,
& never get a passport, eat lots of junk food and you'll never fit on an airplane anyways. So don't travel. Sit there.
byezbye
xL
Thank god... no more 10 posts in a row that don't have any meaning... No more complete postings of google searches... Nobody would mind your multiple posts if they had some meaning, but how often do you just post like 4 things in a row that don't exactly say anything.... at all...
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Thank god... no more 10 posts in a row that don't have any meaning... No more complete postings of google searches... Nobody would mind your multiple posts if they had some meaning, but how often do you just post like 4 things in a row that don't exactly say anything.... at all...
pardon?
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I KNEW THERE WAS A CAP YOU ASSHOLE... IF I KNEW THERE WAS A CAP I KNEW THERE WAS FOREIGN OWNERSHIP... GO KILL YOURSELF YOU SUCK AS SPINNING... f a g g o t CANADIAN POS... HOW FUCKING STUPID ARE YOU.... MORE PROOF YOU CAN'T READ!!!!!!!!! THE FIRST ARTICLE I POSTED SAID; "The EU is threatening to delay the signing of an open skies treaty unless the U.S. changes restrictions on the percentage of a U.S. airline that can be foreign-owned." OH NOW WHAT HUH OH NOW YOU JUST GO AWAY AND DON'T HAVE A SORRY I WAS FULL OF SHIT REPLY RIGHT YOU FUCKER???? but you act like you corrected me after I posted this.... ::) asshole...
Here is my fist post again:
Umm.. American Airlines is a publicly trade company under AMR Corporation.
There are already Foreign investors with shares in the company.
Umm... FAA controls the airspace.
Tell me why this needed to be corrected since it is exactly right.
Since you already knew there was foreign investment and You knew the exact level of investment.
Why didn't you just correct this. Instead you get all personal on me and the insinuate that my post was wrong.
Oh well.
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come again?
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When my ship comes in, I'll be at the airport.
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When my ship comes in, I'll be at the airport.
xL
Honestly, are you just fucking with us? You kind of seem like you're Autistic or something? ???
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Here is my fist post again:
Umm.. American Airlines is a publicly trade company under AMR Corporation.
There are already Foreign investors with shares in the company.
Umm... FAA controls the airspace.
Tell me why this needed to be corrected since it is exactly right.
Since you already knew there was foreign investment and You knew the exact level of investment.
Why didn't you just correct this. Instead you get all personal on me and the insinuate that my post was wrong.
Oh well.
nice try, that might possibly work if you hadn't already admitted to not knowing there was a cap on foreign ownership. You needed corrected because your post comes from the position that the issue is mute. The articles were posted to bring information to your obvious misconception. Nice try, go look for another angle to spin... anything but admit to being wrong and full of shit... ::) Just like you just now did... instead of admitting that you hadn't corrected me because the info on foreign ownership was in the material I posted, you instead reached for a means to spin out under a different angle... You're pathetic.
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The level of investment wasn't what your original argument was about also you tried to discredit me by saying my post was from information that was earlier than yours.
You know my post was directly from the governement website with information directly related to the invest situation.
Now you change your argument.
If you look at my argument it has always been that foreign ownership has existed yours hasn't. Also to further that thought the November 2005 act will not give up control of American airspace sine 51% of ownership would still be American.
Hope this helps.
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the only fucker that needs help is you joker.... "The level of investment" Jesus... STFU.... Now you're just pulling shit out your ass in hopes nobody read through everything ::)
f**k off joker, i don't give a rats ass what you think ;)
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the only fucker that needs help is you joker.... "The level of investment" Jesus... STFU.... Now you're just pulling shit out your ass in hopes nobody read through everything ::)
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you sure about that? LOL...
{giggle}