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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Alex23 on December 03, 2006, 02:32:29 PM
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Couple of pros including you had back problems but didn't seem to end their career. Ronnie blew a disk, they wanted to operate but he got away with it. In your case you had a disk partially removed. How much did it affect your career & training?
How would you compare back injury compared to shoulders or muscle tears that seem to be career killers? There's been speculation that the end of career Levrone's leg athorphy could've been caused by nerve damage. What's your opinion on this?
Also, baby advice, be careful not to get the formula can & the bodybuilding.com whey can mixed up.
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good ol' bump.
And Bob, what did you do after u messed up your back for leg training. I know alot of guys have this problem, they cant train legs properly after experincing back problems cos all they know how to do is squat.
Any advice big Bob C????
And Baby advice..........I only recommend .5g of protein per lbs of bodyweight for infants, .75 for toddlers, and 1g for children!
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...all depends on the extent/ severity of the injury...and how successful the surgery is.
In my case, I broke off the disc...they removed the rest and fused the spine together. I was lucky enough that the nerve damage healed to almost 100%...In most cases, it may partially heal...or not at all.
The other end is being smart enough to not do exercises that will put yourself at further risk AFTER the surgery...
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good ol' bump.
And Bob, what did you do after u messed up your back for leg training. I know alot of guys have this problem, they cant train legs properly after experincing back problems cos all they know how to do is squat.
Any advice big Bob C????
And Baby advice..........I only recommend .5g of protein per lbs of bodyweight for infants, .75 for toddlers, and 1g for children!
I did every thing except for squats, as the direct downward pressure on the spine would have certainly led to re-injuring the back...
Leg press, hack, extentions, smith lungess, walking lunges, horizontal press.
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Hey Bob,
So what kind of therapy do you do?? Massage, chiropractic, active relase technique, etc???????? I know u have to do something to stay loose and mobile.
So once u couldnt squat/deadlift anymore, what did u do? Just fire up on the leg press and lunges??? Hit the hams hard with leg curls???
Also do you agree that past a certain point of development, guys really dont need to squat anymore, and that they already built up enough muscle in the leg, and they need to do other movements. Or do u disagree and dont think that squats will build up the hips/glutes?? So you can do them forever???
oh yea and what do u think about sissy squats??
Lots of questions, but I seek ur advice, ur a knowledgable MOFO
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Chick,
How far down can you get away with while doing presses ? I too have a disc problem and it seems presses give me the most trouble if I go too deep.
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Hows the contest prep going hasbeens???
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Hey Bob,
So what kind of therapy do you do?? Massage, chiropractic, active relase technique, etc???????? I know u have to do something to stay loose and mobile.
So once u couldnt squat/deadlift anymore, what did u do? Just fire up on the leg press and lunges??? Hit the hams hard with leg curls???
Also do you agree that past a certain point of development, guys really dont need to squat anymore, and that they already built up enough muscle in the leg, and they need to do other movements. Or do u disagree and dont think that squats will build up the hips/glutes?? So you can do them forever???
oh yea and what do u think about sissy squats??
Lots of questions, but I seek ur advice, ur a knowledgable MOFO
Never did any therapy...
Yes, I think squats can be counter=productive at a certain point...of course, that is highly subject to the build of the BB in question...for many, they would be better off switching to front squats, or lunges, or hacks for more detail...or to build something other than the size of their ass.
Any good BB should assess their physique annd make changes according to what they need to work on...not mindlessly train and do exercises just because thats what they've always done...
Sissy squats or front squats are excellent...
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Never did any therapy...
Yes, I think squats can be counter=productive at a certain point...of course, that is highly subject to the build of the BB in question...for many, they would be better off switching to front squats, or lunges, or hacks for more detail...or to build something other than the size of their ass.
Any good BB should assess their physique annd make changes according to what they need to work on...not mindlessly train and do exercises just because thats what they've always done...
Sissy squats or front squats are excellent...
In my case, the problem comes from the piriformis muscle pinching the left sciatic. I don't really get pain on the right side. However it radiates on the leg when I push with my abs when sitting.
Was your disc rupture caused by a single event or something going on for a while?
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Both.
I had on-going problems with the L-4, L-5 disks...for years. I had no problems doing full squats for many years, until I got stronger...then it seemed that any time I got close to 600, I would throw a disc...
Ultimately, I believe that the main cause is having 1 leg a little shorter than the other. Most people have 1 leg and 1 arm a little longer...but I think mine might be just a hair more, leading to an imbalance in th lower spine.
Incidently...I've also had a lond standing theory that having 1 arm longer than the other may also contribute greatly to pec tears...
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Both.
I had on-going problems with the L-4, L-5 disks...for years. I had no problems doing full squats for many years, until I got stronger...then it seemed that any time I got close to 600, I would throw a disc...
Ultimately, I believe that the main cause is having 1 leg a little shorter than the other. Most people have 1 leg and 1 arm a little longer...but I think mine might be just a hair more, leading to an imbalance in th lower spine.
Incidently...I've also had a lond standing theory that having 1 arm longer than the other may also contribute greatly to pec tears...
See Chic we have more incommon than you think.
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Bob did this injury affect your back training in any way? I have an orthopaedic appt. on Thurs where the results of an MRI show I may have spinal stenosis and 3 bulging discs as a result of it. I am undoubtedly not going to be able to squat anymore, if I know whats good for me. I know you aren't a fan of deadlifts, but I've seen you do various types of rows in videos and pics. So do back injuries impact things such as deadlifting and heavy rowing?
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Bob did this injury affect your back training in any way? I have an orthopaedic appt. on Thurs where the results of an MRI show I may have spinal stenosis and 3 bulging discs as a result of it. I am undoubtedly not going to be able to squat anymore, if I know whats good for me. I know you aren't a fan of deadlifts, but I've seen you do various types of rows in videos and pics. So do back injuries impact things such as deadlifting and heavy rowing?
How old are you arkk ?
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Bob did this injury affect your back training in any way? I have an orthopaedic appt. on Thurs where the results of an MRI show I may have spinal stenosis and 3 bulging discs as a result of it. I am undoubtedly not going to be able to squat anymore, if I know whats good for me. I know you aren't a fan of deadlifts, but I've seen you do various types of rows in videos and pics. So do back injuries impact things such as deadlifting and heavy rowing?
Of course it impacted my training...I no longer did deadlifts, bent over rows, T-bars, or squats.
I had a choice...continue to perform those exercises and put myself at a high risk of injury and ending any hope I had of turning pro....
OR
Don't put myself in Jeopardy (along with Alex Trebeck and Greg Kihn) train smarter and avoid those exercises, and go on to win the USA and turn pro...
I chose option B.
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Hey Bob,
What happened to the masters world championships this year???
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Hey Bob,
What happened to the masters world championships this year???
He came in second! It was a great show!
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just goes to show that you don't need to squat planet earth to get decent sized legs...if i'm not mistaked bob, you don't even advocate doing barbell bench presses either...due to the damage it can do to shoulders...
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Hey Bob,
What happened to the masters world championships this year???
Beats me...Steve decided to not put it on, and as far as I know.no one else is carying any Pro Masters shows.
If I had to guess...I would say it's not profitible to the promoter as it doesn't really bring in any "new" money.
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Beats me...Steve decided to not put it on, and as far as I know.no one else is carying any Pro Masters shows.
If I had to guess...I would say it's not profitible to the promoter as it doesn't really bring in any "new" money.
Uncle Manion left a big lump of coal in your stocking this year. :'(
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Uncle Manion left a big lump of coal in your stocking this year. :'(
You ARE a big lump of coal.
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You ARE a big lump of coal.
Bob, do you recommend front squat to taller BBers? I know you said guys with longer legs should put their feet high on the platform for leg press...anything else?
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Absolutely...less pressure on the lower back, great work for the quads.
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Absolutely...less pressure on the lower back, great work for the quads.
A serious question Bob
The time you did squads were u actually sometimes afraid of them them? Not the pain as much but just afraid?
Seriously please.
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A serious question Bob
The time you did squads were u actually sometimes afraid of them them? Not the pain as much but just afraid?
Seriously please.
No...I was great at the squat. I could rep out with 405 like nobodies business...It was more frustrating that I could only go up to a certain weight without throwing a disc from the strain...
Ironically, It wasn't from lifting or squating that I finished it off...but a homerun swing playing on a softball league!
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Totally off subject, but Bob whats your opinion on BCAA's.
And also, if you had to write down perfect sissy squat form, what would u say it is???
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No...I was great at the squat. I could rep out with 405 like nobodies business...It was more frustrating that I could only go up to a certain weight without throwing a disc from the strain...
Ironically, It wasn't from lifting or squating that I finished it off...but a homerun swing playing on a softball league!
So you never had a tight feeling in the belly like: Oh fuck here it comes, the squat...pain pain pain (you know the extra pain the one that makes you feel lightheaded and makes you see stars)
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Totally off subject, but Bob whats your opinion on BCAA's.
And also, if you had to write down perfect sissy squat form, what would u say it is???
BCAA's are fine...used them for many years before supps went high tech. Always take them after working out.
FFAA before training...BCAA after.
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BCAA's are fine...used them for many years before supps went high tech. Always take them after working out.
FFAA before training...BCAA after.
So glutamine pre workout??? Do you have a special pre or post workout cocktail that you would advise someone who is looking to gain mass to take???
Anything that worked for you back in the day??
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So whats the answer chic?? come on???
"shameless bump"
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Bob,
Do you prefer training hamstrings with quads or do you train hams with another bodypart? Are there any major benefits or drawbacks to either way?
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So glutamine pre workout??? Do you have a special pre or post workout cocktail that you would advise someone who is looking to gain mass to take???
Anything that worked for you back in the day??
No...Glutamine post workout and/ or before sleep
Never had any special drink mix, always found them to give me a full feeling when I was training which I didn't like...
Post workout protein drink is fine, or course....
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We did hams with thighs for many years....It wasn't until much later that I seperated them out...I like that much better, as your hams aren't tired/ fatigued from training quads and vice versa...
I would suggest training them AFTER quads in the week schedule, however...
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thanx for all the straight up answers chicaroonie!
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What is FFAA?
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What is FFAA?
Free Form Aminos is my guess.
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In my case, the problem comes from the piriformis muscle pinching the left sciatic. I don't really get pain on the right side. However it radiates on the leg when I push with my abs when sitting.
Was your disc rupture caused by a single event or something going on for a while?
Hey, Alex, I have exactly the same problem as you, and you are the first person I know that suffers from it, besides me. It's indeed a pain in the ass, buddy!!! It doesn't get in the way of training at all, in fact, it's the only time of the day I don't feel that fucking pain. Everything else it hurts like a mofo, especially staying seated. Some days it hurts even when I am sleeping.
What are you doing to treat the injury, Alex?
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Hey, Alex, I have exactly the same problem as you, and you are the first person I know that suffers from it, besides me. It's indeed a pain in the ass, buddy!!! It doesn't get in the way of training at all, in fact, it's the only time of the day I don't feel that fucking pain. Everything else it hurts like a mofo, especially staying seated. Some days it hurts even when I am sleeping.
What are you doing to treat the injury, Alex?
Me it's starting to get in the way of the training. When sitting and raising my left leg, my ass and hamstring is burning. Therefore, leg extension is a biatch. Standing up I don't feel a thing really, except in the morning. I'm software engineer so I spend most of my day sitting and pinching that damn nerve...
What really helps me is foam rolling then stretching. I also use my inversion table (hangs you upsidedown) to releive a little but it's nothing like the foam rolling.
Do you have back pain related to it? If you sit down on and "push" with your abs, does it radiates down your leg? This one scares me a little, makes me think of an herniated disc....