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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: MRMD2003 on December 09, 2006, 03:57:12 PM
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Who looked better in their primes ?
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Francois.
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Francois.
i agree
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Jay couldn't match this shot.
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cutler
cutler is more refined. francois, while very good, was missing something. his mid-section was worse than cutler's
also, cutler has brought his back up so much, that francois doesn't even have the advantage there
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thanks guys. you guys just contributed to a steak dinner at outback !!!!!
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Francois. No way his mid-section was worse than Cutler's. He could have had abs like an offseason King Kamali; but with that waist size, Jay's always going to look more like a fridge than westinghuose.
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Who could?
i don't think even Ronnie matches the thickness of that back, the spinal erectors look a foot thick.
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Who could?
Matt, just hypothetic-ising- if Dorian and Ronnie could both match that shot, who would you say was better out of the two? ???
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Francios by a mile.
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his mid-section was worse than cutler's
What the hell are you smoking? Find me a shot ot Cutler with a better midsection than this.
Mike was unbelievable
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Mike looked better!!
Too bad he got seriously sick!!! ;D
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Good question. I would say Ronnie if anyone. Possibly Ronnie's width and overall size could match Francois' thickness in terms of "wow factor", but I don't think either had spinal erectors like that as Squadfather said. All three are definitely among the three best backs ever, if not the three best backs ever.
Yeah. Do you ever feel that debates like these are futile, and that these three backs are so good, may as well just give all three 10/10 and be done with any discussion?
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Francois was great.
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Yeah. Do you ever feel that debates like these are futile, and that these three backs are so good, may as well just give all three 10/10 and be done with any discussion?
No, never.
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I remember seeing Francois guest posing here in the early 90's. The guy was UNREAL HUGE. He was awesome. Never heard much from him after that though.
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No, never.
You might feel at home in the truce thread then ;D
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I remember seeing Francois guest posing here in the early 90's. The guy was UNREAL HUGE. He was awesome. Never heard much from him after that though.
I've seen him up close recently and was shocked at how narrow boned he really is. He really must have packed a ton of muscle on his frame to look that big.
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In my humble opinion Mike.
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mike looked better for that brief time he was around, but it's hard to say what would have happened if he wasn't forced to retire.
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how can the current mr.o look worse than an also ran early 90s pro?
lord how the years make the old guys great.
guys M.F. had plenty to show and plenty to work on.
next to levrone et al he was about a top 5-8 finisher...thats it.
this thread is stupid.
lets start one that says, who looks better, lee haney or ronnie coleman...
how about vince taylor v ronnie coleman?
silly stuff.
you can only really compare mr.o's to other mr.os or top 2-3 contenders and supposedly the latest top 2-3 guys should be better than yesteryears...
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next to levrone et al he was about a top 5-8 finisher...thats it.
He was in a shitty shape in one Olympia and didn't place well, true. Otherwise, he was the guy who stopped Flex Wheeler at Arnold Classic. This year, Ronnie was in crappy shape and wouldn't have beat Flex in his prime. Neither would've Cutler who must have the most boring Mr. Olympia physique since Chris Dickerson. But Francois was able to beat Flex, period. Yes, he was THAT good.
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how can the current mr.o look worse than an also ran early 90s pro?
lord how the years make the old guys great.
guys M.F. had plenty to show and plenty to work on.
next to levrone et al he was about a top 5-8 finisher...thats it.
this thread is stupid.
lets start one that says, who looks better, lee haney or ronnie coleman...
how about vince taylor v ronnie coleman?
silly stuff.
you can only really compare mr.o's to other mr.os or top 2-3 contenders and supposedly the latest top 2-3 guys should be better than yesteryears...
100% agreed.....
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i think Cutler would make him look small. Great physique though.
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how can the current mr.o look worse than an also ran early 90s pro?
lord how the years make the old guys great.
guys M.F. had plenty to show and plenty to work on.
next to levrone et al he was about a top 5-8 finisher...thats it.
this thread is stupid.
lets start one that says, who looks better, lee haney or ronnie coleman...
how about vince taylor v ronnie coleman?
silly stuff.
you can only really compare mr.o's to other mr.os or top 2-3 contenders and supposedly the latest top 2-3 guys should be better than yesteryears...
Of course you can compare a former competitor to someone who competes today. Or, was Chris Dickerson better than Arnold? Columbo better than Arnold? Sometimes (in fact often) the level of competition goes down until someone picks it up. Coleman did just that when he won the title. But after 2003, he's been getting worse and no one has been able to take the sport to the next level. Cutler winning was not because he's that good, that's because he didn't face first class competition. Yes.... Francois in his prime would beat Cutler in his prime. It's logical to think "today's Mr. O must be the best physique ever" but unfortunately it's been far from truth many many times.
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i think Cutler would make him look small. Great physique though.
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true...it would be close though but i think cuts would make him look small
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how can the current mr.o look worse than an also ran early 90s pro?
lord how the years make the old guys great.
guys M.F. had plenty to show and plenty to work on.
next to levrone et al he was about a top 5-8 finisher...thats it.
this thread is stupid.
lets start one that says, who looks better, lee haney or ronnie coleman...
how about vince taylor v ronnie coleman?
silly stuff.
you can only really compare mr.o's to other mr.os or top 2-3 contenders and supposedly the latest top 2-3 guys should be better than yesteryears...
No, you can compare anyone with anyone.
And seriously, Jay Cutler would not make Francois look small- no way in hell. Someone post some pics to support this- Francois carried incredible mass with density.
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easily francios..
he just simply had better genetics...
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one thing dorian, francois and ronnie had in common is that they all trained extremely heavy.
all those super heavy d/lifts off the rack obviously contributed greatly to francoi's back thickness, especially the erectors.
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easily francios..
he just simply had better genetics...
It's so obvious yet they can't see.
Francios had better density, separation and detail than Cutler because he was just born that way.
It's pure speculation of course but if Francios was on the same regimen as Cutler is now he'd probably dwarf him, and of course his waist wouldn't be as small anymore :P
Sometimes progress just ain't PROGRESS.
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I was watching the 1995 Mr. Olympia video and this beast came out, and I was like god damn who is that? ....turns out it was Francois.
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Cutler has looked very good for the past 6 years or so.
People act like he sucks. He is Mr. O for a reason. He presented a spectacular physique this year.
Yes, Francois looked good as well. His only major victory came over a smallish Flex who was returning from his car accident. Besides, he didn't deserve to beat Flex anyway. Flex looked better at that show from the pictures I recall seeing
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i don't think even Ronnie matches the thickness of that back, the spinal erectors look a foot thick.
I think Ronnie could match that shot 8)
but mike does have an AMAZING back
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I don't think there's a single pose where Gutler can take francois.
i don't care if Gutler is a Mr.O (that brain washing don't work with me).
It's all about comparison.... and as someone said, francois had the genetics that Gutler could only dream of.
Wooooooooooshhhhhhhh!!
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I think Ronnie could match that shot 8)
but mike does have an AMAZING back
You missed his point Ronnie doesn't have that type of thickness in his spinae errectors which is true and Ronnie does compare very well until the lower back and calves of course.
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I still can't believe that Jay is a Mr. Olympia..
Haney at his best was great.
Dorian at his best was great.
Ronnie at his best was even better.
jay at his best was..sort of blah.
sorry, but tis true.
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I still can't believe that Jay is a Mr. Olympia..
Haney at his best was great.
Dorian at his best was great.
Ronnie at his best was even better.
jay at his best was..sort of blah.
sorry, but tis true.
agreed.... ive said it b4, im sorry but jay shouldnt be capable of winning the O...
notice how their isnt one picture of cutler on this thread... thats cause cutler fans know the truth, theyre jsut affraid of it
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I still can't believe that Jay is a Mr. Olympia..
Haney at his best was great.
Dorian at his best was great.
Ronnie at his best was even better.
jay at his best was..sort of blah.
sorry, but tis true.
I still can't believe it either and more and more people are going to feel the same way as the months go by and their happiness over Big Ron getting beat wears off and it sinks in that Jay is really Mr. Olympia. What a step backwards Jay is.
And Jay Gutler shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Mike Francois.
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It looks like Ronnie's spinal erectors are wider, but not as thick as Francois. Tie?
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It looks like Ronnie's spinal erectors are wider, but not as thick as Francois. Tie?
tie breaker goes to the champ 8)
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tie breaker goes to the champ 8)
How's that work ;D
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It's amazing how many Ronnie Coleman lovers are crying in their beers
Look, Cutler was better than Coleman this year. That is all that counts. Not that Ronnie is a better bb overall in his career- it was Mr O 2006, not Mr O for career
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Look, Cutler was better than Coleman this year. That is all that counts. Not that Ronnie is a better bb overall in his career- it was Mr O 2006, not Mr O for career
Exactly... Cutler was better this year. Better than Ronnie at his best? Million light years away. Cutler Mr. O era will be forgotten whenever the next freak claims the title.
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It's amazing how many Ronnie Coleman lovers are crying in their beers
Look, Cutler was better than Coleman this year. That is all that counts. Not that Ronnie is a better bb overall in his career- it was Mr O 2006, not Mr O for career
Well I'm not a Ronnie Coleman fanatic- I am a supporter though. I'm not upset that Jay won. I don't think he should have- but I don't really care. Ronnie has presented some incredible physiques- 98, 99, 2003 etc, that will always live on whether he places 15th next year or not.
I would have given it to someone other than Ronnie- but not Jay. Jay is like a poor-man's ROnnie.
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I still can't believe that Jay is a Mr. Olympia..
Haney at his best was great.
Dorian at his best was great.
Ronnie at his best was even better.
jay at his best was..sort of blah.
sorry, but tis true.
Even one timer Samir Bannout blows Jay away along with a whole list of former top 3 performers.
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Yeah. I guess Jay won because he was the best of a bad bunch.
I guess we should be hating on the competition for being so piss-poor as well as Jay- all he did was show up a bit better than everyone else, who were crap ;D
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Yeah. I guess Jay won because he was the best of a bad bunch.
I guess we should be hating on the competition for being so piss-poor as well as Jay- all he did was show up a bit better than everyone else, who were crap ;D
I think Anthony could have taken it with no problem, he looked great. Next year he will really be in the running for it though.
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Yeah, he got the 'blow the judges for good scores' section down nailed ;D
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François was great, very good conditioning and size. I haven't heard of him for years... What really happened to him?
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François was great, very good conditioning and size. I haven't heard of him for years... What really happened to him?
Listen to the PBW interview with him, he explains it all.
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Francois was better IMO. More impressive, tighter package when he got it right. Can someone please post pics of the Flex photo shoot with him and Yates training back, that was shit hot :)
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I think Anthony could have taken it with no problem, he looked great. Next year he will really be in the running for it though.
I agree
I think if Anthony shows up in shape, he should be one of the top contenders
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both are a great in there own way. i think francios would have been one of the best if he had not gotten sick..could have possible been in top 3 or where jay is now. who knows.
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Mike Francios probably would have won the 1998 ASC if he did get hospialized 3 weeks before the show. He was HUGE. He almost died in the hospital.
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considering jay just won the O, we will assume now is his PRIME....i am gonna go with Francois!