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again...
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;D
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Jax has 316 yards rushing . . . and counting. :o
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Doesn't mean much; NE also down. Mid-season letdown.
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Doesn't mean much; NE also down. Mid-season letdown.
You got to be kidding man. Giving up over 300 yards on the ground doesn't mean much? There is no way on God's green earth the Colts will bring home a ring if they cannot stop the run.
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WOW... The KC RAVENS game... Good Job Ravens, first time in arrowhead and kicking KC's ass. ;D 20-3
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not too surprised. but didnt think they would be beat that bad.
ya they started out great but they really werent to impressive if you ask me
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375 yards rushing. :o
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Colts are just sluggish and bored. When that offense is on it doesn't matter whether they stop the run or not.
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Colts are just sluggish and bored. When that offense is on it doesn't matter whether they stop the run or not.
I hope you do not say that with a straight face. Please show me any team with no defense or running game who won a superbowl.
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I hope you do not say that with a straight face.
Um.. The Colts overcame many deamons last year, including your Pats. They've dropped games to teams like the Titans ::) it is obvious they're bored.
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Tell me about it.
Talk about a bad loss. It's demoralizing when a team just runs it down your throat, right between the tackles. They have a lot of work to do.
Good thing I'm not a betting man. I've been picking the Colts to win it all for about four years running now. :-[
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Um.. The Colts overcame many deamons last year, including your Pats. They've dropped games to teams like the Titans ::) it is obvious they're bored.
The colts got there ass handed to them by my pats when we won our 3 superbowls and they where a better team then.This has nothing to do with the pats. Did the colts win the superbowl last year with all the demons they overcame?
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Tell me about it.
Talk about a bad loss. It's demoralizing when a team just runs it down your throat, right between the tackles. They have a lot of work to do.
Good thing I'm not a betting man. I've been picking the Colts to win it all for about four years running now. :-[
The Colts would have gone to the big one last year if it weren't for roethlisberger's lucky tackle. >:(
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The Colts would have gone to the big one last year if it weren't for roethlisberger's lucky tackle. >:(
Which came on the heels of a horrible call that almost handed the Colts the game.
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I am not trying to hate. I think the colts are a GREAT team. I am just stating that the chances of them winning it all with that defense and no running game is low. Hell, you think I do not know that pats have BIG problems with all the injuries this year? With the losses of Wilfork and Watson today, we have to get some guys back for the playoffs or we are in deep shit. I only said what I did about the colts because of there record. Not a huge winning margin in most the games they have played. So for them to have no defense or running game against a More complete team will be a huge dissadvantage imo.
1 9/10 @ New York Giants 26 - 21 W 5 POINTS
2 9/17 HOUSTON TEXANS 43 - 24 W
3 9/24 JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS 21 - 14 W 7 POINTS
4 10/1 @ New York Jets 31 - 28 W 3 POINTS
5 10/8 TENNESSEE TITANS 14 - 13 W 1 POINT
6 10/15 BYE -
7 10/22 WASHINGTON REDSKINS 36 - 22 W 14 POINTS
8 10/29 @ Denver Broncos 34 - 31 W 3 POINTS
9 11/5 @ New England Patriots 27 - 20 W 7 POINTS
10 11/12 BUFFALO BILLS 17 - 16 W 1 POINT
11 11/19 @ Dallas Cowboys 14 - 21 L 7 POINTS
12 11/26 PHILADELPHIA EAGLES 45 - 21 W
13 12/3 @ Tennessee Titans 17 - 20 L
14 12/10 @ Jacksonville Jaguars 17 - 44 L
If you look at the contenders they played, the winning margin is not so high for the level that offense is on talent wise.
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The Colts rushing O has been okay. They were averaging 115 a game with 14 TDs coming into today's game. That will drop after today, but Rhodes and Addai have been serviceable. Definitely good enough to win when you have Manning, Harrison, Wayne, and Clark.
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The Colts rushing O has been okay. They were averaging 115 a game with 14 TDs coming into today's game. That will drop after today, but Rhodes and Addai have been serviceable. Definitely good enough to win when you have Manning, Harrison, Wayne, and Clark.
Not against a good defense in a superbowl they wont. I change my statement. A decent running game.
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The running is good actually, as good or better than in previous years when it was near the top. They're just running less in most games. Even the defense might do, today was an anomally just as it was for NE in their loss. None of the other good teams in the NFL are great, therefore no team has to be great in all areas to win.
It comes down to Manning making plays under pressure. No different from Elway; if he eventually gets it done after falling short, most of the negatives will be similarly forgotten.
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Not against a good defense in a superbowl they wont. I change my statement. A decent running game.
Depends. If they run well enough to keep the D honest, which they have been doing all season, that will be good enough. The Pats did it several times without a dominant running game.
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Good point. But, the pats had a dominant defense and could stop the run. My argument is based more on the Colts defense then running game.
Not trying to take anything away from the colts. They are 10 - 3. Just do not see them going all the way with this defense. Of course I could be totally wrong.
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Good point. But, they had a dominant defense and could stop the run. My argument is based more on the Colts defense then running game.
I agree.
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Sigh, don't mind me. I am in a bad mood. Wilfork and Watson went down today. Just what we cant afford to have happen. Harrison will be back but these injuries are piling up.
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Sigh, don't mind me. I am in a bad mood. Wilfork and Watson went down today. Just what we cant afford to have happen. Harrison will be back but these injuries are piling up.
Am I supposed to feel sorry for you? I'm a lifelong Niners fan. :'( Try having your son be an undercover Eagles fan. :-[
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You cannot have a run defense like that and expect to even be playing for a superbowl. Won't happen.
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Am I supposed to feel sorry for you? I'm a lifelong Niners fan. :'( Try having your son be an undercover Eagles fan. :-[
Lmao!!!
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Ravens in the motherfucking hizzzooousssssssssssssss eeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Defense! Defense! Defense!
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I'm a geek, I know. Love it when my boys win! ;D
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>:( WE let them win on purpose.
;D
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Didn't see the game but 375 rushing yards is beyond bad, much worse than before. That combined with 3 loses, ya they're in trouble.
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Didn't see the game but 375 rushing yards is beyond bad, much worse than before. Ya they could be in trouble.
lol. Pumpster has seen the light. ;D
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lol. Pumpster has seen the light. ;D
Silly, nothing like today's unravelment has been seen before.
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Silly, nothing like today's unravelment has been seen before.
You mean the Colts didn't have the worst run D in the entire NFL before they were run over by the Jags today?
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You mean the Colts didn't have the worst run D in the entire NFL before they were run over by the Jags today?
Unless you're suggesting they've averaged 375 rush yards against each game, it's not relevant to today's game. Different magnitude altogether.
The timing was GOOD FOR INDI. They'll have time to regroup and refocus, unlike last year where the distractions were last-minute.
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Dolts losing is so wonderful. THE JETS lost but I've got my own problems.
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Unless you're suggesting they've averaged 375 rush yards against each game, it's not relevant to today's game. Different magnitude altogether.
Well obviously 375 is one of the worst performances in NFL history by an NFL defense, but the Colts were giving up an average of 160 yards a game before today. They are not bringing home a ring if they give up 160 yards a game on the ground.
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No ring this year for that whiny litttle..anyway. I'm still in mourning.
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No ring this year for that whiny litttle..anyway. I'm still in mourning.
what happened to the pats today? I didn't see it.
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Um Brady ran for his life for 4 quarters. I watched it on the net. Ask Body I'm sure he saw it on TV. We have major issues. But we also had guys out so who knows. >:(
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Um Brady ran for his life for 4 quarters. I watched it on the net. Ask Body I'm sure he saw it on TV. We have major issues. But we also had guys out so who knows. >:(
Looking back, NE will realize that they had a good year considering their circumstances.
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Yeah I think so to. I'm torn we're 9-4 but we have alot of issues heading into the playoffs. I'd rather not limp in.
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>:( WE let them win on purpose.
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I was torn during that game, bro. Growing up in St louis, I was a BIG Chiefs fan. Still am. But being in Maryland for the last 10 years turned me over to the Ravens. But I'll always have a soft spot for big red. Lj still had a good game despite that defense. It's Green who they totally wrecked during that game......
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Yeah I think so to. I'm torn we're 9-4 but we have alot of issues heading into the playoffs. I'd rather not limp in.
Hate to say it, dude but letting Branch go was a huge mistake. When your top receiving threat(Caldwell) gets only 12 yards receiving, Well.......that doesn't bode well for the post season. But the get Marouny back next week, right?
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Yeah I think so to. I'm torn we're 9-4 but we have alot of issues heading into the playoffs. I'd rather not limp in.
The injuries where bad before. But now they are just awful. As long as Wilfork , watson , Maroney and Harrison are back for the playoffs, we will be ok.
Jr was a big lose. Wilfork is a HUGE lose. Same with Rodney and Wilson. Harrison has said he could be back before the playoffs. Hopefully Bill sat Meroney to make sure he was healthy for the playoffs.
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Hate to say it, dude but letting Branch go was a huge mistake. When your top receiving threat(Caldwell) gets only 12 yards receiving, Well.......that doesn't bode well for the post season. But the get Marouny back next week, right?
That is incorrect. Tom Brady had no time to throw the ball yesterday. It had nothing to do with the the receivers. Here are Caldwells stats vs Dion's up until the 12th game this season.
Reche Caldwell 12 games, 46 catches,574 yards 3 tds
Dion Branch 10 games, 38, catches, 518 yards 4 tds
Dion Branch was a great player. Of course we miss him. But, the national media does not tell the whole story. The pats wanted to wait to restructure Dion's contract since he was under contract until next year. Dion wanted big money ( Top receiver money) before his contract was up.Dion Branch is not a top reciever. If you let him break a contract everyone is going to do it. You cannot let someone demand a contract restructure while they are still under a active contract. Every key player on the team would pull it. Dion was asking for way to much money. Not only that, he was blackmailing the pats. The pats told Dion they would restructure after his current contract was up. He would not do it. None of you who talk about "the pats just letting him go" mention this.
Still, the pats offered Branch a fair dea,l and he turned it down. Dion was demanding TO type money. Dion is a great player. But, not even a top 20 receiver. Hell, Dion is not even in the top 30 this year. Why would the pats let him break his current contract,pay him top receiver money when he is not a top receiver in the league? Pay him like a TO, Smith or Wayne? Why would the pats let Dion blackmail them with threats? He was under contract. You let Dion do that it sets a BAD example for the other players who want more money.Everyone thinks they should make more money. Of course we loved Dion out here. But, most you guys don't even know what you are talking about. ESPN is about the worst source for internal information ever.
I loved Dion. But, he has not done much in Seattle this year. Actually, I heard some Seattle fans where upset with how much they overpayed him and neglected others. The pats are 9 - 4. People need to relax. They are not as strong as the superbowl teams in the past ( besides 2001). But, with Harrison, Maroney,Watson and Wilfork back they will be a threat in the postseason. I never said they would run the table ::) There is alot of jealousy towards the pats. People hate how they won 3 superbowls in 5 years. People just want to see them lose. They are a good football team. If they play well (do not kill themselves with penalties,rookies making mistakes and sloppy play). If we get some key players back(which will will) we have a shot to beat anyone. This team moved the ball fine against the Chicago bears defense. They played better d then the bears did. The pats also had 5 turnovers handed to the bears in that game. Dont write them off just yet. They are not a powerhouse like they used to be. But, they are still a good football team. When playing well they can off anyone in the playoffs. Bill has won three superbowls in the last 5 years. I would think he know what he is doing.
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That is incorrect. Tom Brady had no time to throw the ball yesterday. It had nothing to do with the the receivers. Here are Caldwells stats vs Dion's up until the 12th game this season.
Reche Caldwell 12 games, 46 catches,574 yards 3 tds
Dion Branch 10 games, 38, catches, 518 yards 4 tds
Dion Branch was a great player. Of course we miss him. But, the national media does not tell the whole story. The pats wanted to wait to restructure Dion's contract since he was under contract until next year. Dion wanted big money ( Top receiver money) before his contract was up.Dion beranch is not a top reciever. If you let him break a contract, everyone is going to do it. You cannot let someone demand a contract restructure while they are still under a active contract. Every key player on the team would pull it. Dion was asking for way to much money. Not only that. He was blackmailing the pats. They told him they would restructure after his current contract was up. He would not do it. None of you who talk like the pats just let him go knew this.
Still, the pats offered him a fair deal and he turned it down. He was demanding TO type money. Dion is a great player but not even a top 20 receiver. Hell he is not even in the top 30 this year.Why would the pats let him break his current contract,pay him top receiver money(when he is not a top receiver in the league, like a TO or Wayne),let him blackmail them with threats and set a awful example for players to do the same thing? Of course we loved Dion. But most you guys don't even know what you are talking about. ESPN is about the worst source for internal information ever.
I loved Dion. But he has not done much in Seattle this year. Actually, I heard some Seattle fans where upset with how much they overpayed him and neglected others. The pats are 9 - 4. People need to relax. They are not as strong as the superbowl teams in the past ( besides 2001) but with Harrison, Maroney,Watson and Wilfork back they will be a threat. I never said they would run the table ::) There is alot of jealousy towards the pats. people hate how they won 3 superbowls in 5 years. People just want to see them lose. They are a good football team. If they play well (dont kill themselves with penalties and sloppy play), and get some key players back they have a shot to beat anyone. This team moved the ball fine against the chicago bears defense. They played better d then the bears did. The pats also had 5 turnovers handed to the bears in that game. Dont write them off just yet.
Wow. Had some things to get off your chest, did we?
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Sorry, I just hate hearing people talk about the Branch thing like the pats just let him go. People who do not know what they are talking about, make it out be be like the pats where arrogant ,and just told Dion to screw. Farthest thing from the truth. Branch was the one who people should be mad at. His demands where ludicrous. The guy is asking for top 5 receiver money? Dion is not even in the top 20 in the receivers in the league ( top 30 this year). He wants to scrap a currently active contract, and does so by threatening not to play and not showing up for camp? Dion was a great player. But, more of a key to our specific offense. He was not a Steve Smith or Reggie Wayne.
How could the pats not let him go? Should they let him show all the other players all they have to do to get what they want, is be a good player and blackmail them? Do not forget the pats let Dion seek to be traded. The pats could have blocked all that. They could have been dicks about it. Dion was under contract until next season. They could have sat him on top of the 100 grand he racked up in fines.
With Caldwells almost identical stats they made the right decision imo. Branch would have been a great guy to keep here. Believe me I miss him. He was one of my favortie players ( and a great one at that) But, he was the one who shipped himself off demanding dumb things. Dion could have waited until the end of the season to restructure, when his contract was up. He could have also accepted the market value deal the pats offered him. Dion figured he could blackmail the pats into giving him huge money and nixing his contract since he was a loyal player.
The pats troubles this year have been turnovers,fumbles by rookies, timing by rookie receivers, penalties and injuries. Not the loss of Dion Branch. take a look at the minnasota game if you want to see what the new guys can do when playing well. They are not superstars like Wayne and Harrison but they are not shit either. These guys are rookies! Trust me, I wish Dion was still here to. But, the pats are 9-4. Pretty good if you ask me.
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The guy is asking for top 5 receiver money, and he is not even in the top 20 in the league
Value can't be gauged just by numbers in the case of receivers, since they're reliant on getting volume. Better to base it on value to the team, which is admittedly harder to determine.
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Sorry, I just hate hearing people talk about the Branch thing like the pats just let him go. People who do not know what they are talking about make it out be be like the pats where arrogant ,and just told Dion to screw. Farthest thing from the truth. Branch was the one who people should be mad at. His demands where ludicrous. The guy is asking for top 5 receiver money, and he is not even in the top 20 in the league ( top 30 this year). He wants to scrap a currently active contract and does so by threatening not to play and not showing up for camp?
How can the pats not let him go? Should they let him show all the other players all they have to do to get what they want, is be a good player and blackmail them? Do not forget the pats let Dion seek to be traded. The pats could have blocked all that. They could have been dicks about it. Dion was under contract until next season.
With Caldwells almost identical stats they made the right decision. Branch would have been a great guy to keep here. Believe me I miss him. He was one of my favortie players ( and a great one at that) But, he was the one who shipped himself off demanding dumb things. Dion could have waited until the end of the season to restructure, when his contract was up. He could have also accepted the market value deal the pats offered him. Dion figured he could blackmail the pats into giving him huge money and nixing his contract, since he was a loyal player. He chose no to. So f**k em.
The pats troubles this year have been turnovers,fumbles by rookies, timing by rookie recievers, penalties and injuries. Not the loss of Dion Branch. Trust me, I wish here was still here to. The pats are 9-4. Pretty good if you ask me.
I hope the Ravens get to play them in the playoffs. Classic matchup. Brady and his postseason poise vs. that defense.
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Value can't be gauged just by numbers in the case of receivers, since they're reliant on getting volume. Better to base it on value to the team, which is admittedly harder to determine.
True. But, Dion was asking for much more money then he was worth. It was not all about the money. It was about Dion being under contract and demanding a restructure by blackmail. You cannot let players do that. What happens when Ty Warren decided he does not like the contract he signed?
The pats offered Branch a fair deal. They also offered to restructure after this season when his contract was up. Dion chose to go the other route.
The pats could have forced Dion to pay fines for not showing up to play on top of losing his salary for a year. They let him walk and get his money.
I wish the guy was here to. Dion was a model teammate and great player. But you cannot look at the situation in a unbiased light and agree with Dion.
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Well if this injury train keeps chuggin I thinkBrady will be the only one who can play!
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True. But, Dion was asking for much more money then he was worth.
The market determines worth; someone else must've thought his value was higher.
As far as holding out, don't know the details on that part.
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The market determines worth; someone else must've thought his value was higher.
As far as holding out, don't know the details on that part.
Another good point. But, I think Seattle overpayed for Dion as they thought he would be the addition to finally get them over the hump.
I wish he was still a Patriot. But the way he held out and made the front office to be that bad guys sucked. He was under contract. He could have restructured after this season.
With Caldwell putting up almost identical stats to Dion, I think they made the right choice. Caldwell is a rookie. If he can mature into the same type player as a branch ( which he looks to be doing) the first round pick we got for Dion will be worth it.
Most these critics do not even know the full story. They fail to post the stats showing caldwells numbers to be almost identical to Dion's. Fail to acknowledge these guys are rookies.Caldwell missed the first 2 games and the entire preseason.Critics just are tired of the pats winning. Anytime they lose or have trouble people blow it up. Yet get all exited when Dallas wins a game.
We both know the pats have problems. Hell, we know the injuries/turnovers are killing them right now. I do not think they are going to run the table. I project them to get into the playoffs and hopefully get some key guys back. From there if playing well,they have just as good a shot as anyone else.
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What happened to Doug Gabriel?
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What do you mean? I know the reciever core is not the greatest in the world. But, when playing well they do what they where intended to.These guys are rookies.
The only answer I have for you is this stat
Reche Caldwell 12 games, 46 catches,574 yards 3 tds
Dion Branch 10 games, 38, catches, 518 yards 4 tds
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What do you mean? I know the reciever core is not the greatest in the world. But, when playing well they do what they where intended to.These guys are rookies.
The only answer I have for you is this stat
Reche Caldwell 12 games, 46 catches,574 yards 3 tds
Dion Branch 10 games, 38, catches, 518 yards 4 tds
I was asking about Doug Gabriel. He started off great then disappeared. Is he in the dog house or something?
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Oh, sorry about that. Bill has him in the dog house. No idea what his story is.
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Oh, sorry about that. Bill has him in the dog house. No idea what his story is.
He's gone from the dog house to the outhouse:
Patriots release WR Doug Gabriel
Foxboro, MA (Sports Network) - The New England Patriots released wide receiver Doug Gabriel on Tuesday.
The 26-year-old Gabriel was acquired by the Patriots before the start of the season from the Oakland Raiders in exchange for an undisclosed draft pick.
Gabriel had 25 receptions for 344 yards and three touchdowns in 12 games (five starts) for New England.
The Pats also signed defensive back Justin Phinisee and safety Guss Scott to the practice squad.
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Hahah owned!!! I forgot about this thread. He was terrible. Next years first round pics should be used to get the best QB in football some serious weapons. I would love to see Brady with a Harrison and Wayne. Compliment that with a 1 , 2 Maroney and Dillon sandwich. Caldwell and Jackson would be a great compliment to a few big time wr's. But they have to be team players!!! With the nucleous of Teddy B, Koppen Seymour,Light,Vrabel and Jr a few additions will make this team dominant again. The defensive line is extremley talented flanked by big Wilfork and pro bowl bound Ty warren. Obviously we need to upgrade to big time recievers to make the team complete. Oh ya and get a punter also. Walters fucking sucks!!!!!!!
Lol, we need pick up a good defensive back . Harrison and Wilson are both down until the playoffs We need depth in the backfield for when the starters are out. Scott is a corner and Asanti is nasty. Should be interesting to see Asanti, Harrison and Hobbs at full strength for the playoffs!
I still have faith. 9-4 aint so bad for a team with the issues this one is having.
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This week, I am cheering for the Colts. Go Manning, beat the Bungholes!
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This week, I am cheering for the Colts. Go Manning, beat the Bungholes!
Yeah, f**k the Bengals!!!!
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I missed out on some of this. Body's right but the one thing is that Brady was comfortable with Givens and Branch. Any 3rd and long and you would always see Tom throw to Givens and move the chains. We have major issues on defense now. Before Vince went down th phish had 38 yards rushing after that they gave up another 80 plus. We don't have a deep threat. There is a major fall off without Harrison in the line-up. He keeps everybody in th secondary in line. I hope he's back soon. I think BB figured we could get enough done with the running game to keep LM on the bench and he was right. This was't Dillions fault. Pass/Faulk/Dillion got the job done on the ground. The damm O line killed us. I guess there is talk about audio tapes being bought by the Phish..still they gotta block.
Anyway Body I'm sure u listen to sports radio up there..let me know what the are saying about Gabrial and the injuries. I read on a thread on the Globe that Big Ben might be done. I kinda doubt that with the release of Gabrial.