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Enough is enough.
I read these threads and all the replies and I am just blown away with all this hatred toward the president and the republicans. Where does all this come from? If there were no Iraq war, no terrorism to fight I’m sure some of you guys would still find reasons to hate the man. Why? Ignorance would be my guess. It seems to be the “in” thing to is insult the president with rhetoric they heard from someone else. Please stop listening to Cindy Sheehan and Ted Kennedy and actually think for yourselves. “He’s an idiot”, “he need’s to be impeached”, “he knew of 9/11”, “he covered this or that up”, “he lied about Iraq”. I’m sure some of you haters can add to the list. How pointless, baseless and stupid can all those attacks be?? Maybe if you threw some actual facts in to back up your insults maybe you would gain an IQ point or two. Everyone insulting him seems to have all the answers. Please do us all a favor and run for president and fix what you say is wrong with the country. Some people on these boards have it all figured out. Do I? Of course not, never claimed I did. But I see a man with a backbone and some fortitude to stand up for what’s right. Despite what some of you think, the United States done the right thing by removing Saddam. Throughout history the US has always tried to do the right thing. Which is why we are 1: the greatest country in the world and 2: the most hated. It works the same way in life, if you have the means to help someone less fortunate, it is your duty to help them and not look the other way and say, “it’s not my problem”. It is your problem if you live in this world. We all will answer for the things we did and didn’t do. Of course it can be debated on what country was more of a threat and some points are valid, but our intell, along with a dozen other countries, saw a bigger threat in Iraq. Bush did not lie about it, I’m tired of that line. If anyone can prove Bush went over to Iraq and gathered all the intell by himself then I’ll say he lied. But I’m not holding my breath. Did he have other motives to go into Iraq, maybe, but it was still the right thing to do. So it would be a big help if some of you guys would start blaming the actual terrorist who are blowing people up on all the death in Iraq and not Bush. Has he made mistakes? Of course. Is he stubborn? Yes. I never said he was perfect. To use your hindsight against him and say we never should have done this or that is pathetic and dumb. We won the war. It is these psychotic terrorist we are having to deal with now. News flash, we are not fighting WW1, WW2, Vietnam, we are fighting religious fanatics who WILL NOT surrender under any circumstance. So this will go on for a long time and I dread the day a bleeding heart liberal takes the White House. We have done so many good things over there that no one EVER discusses. Why not? I’d like to see a thread about schools being built, and power plants and water facilities and hospitals. We have done many good things all over the world and all the US gets in return is hate, hate, hate. This clown from the UN is leaving and even he has to throw some bad words toward the US and Bush. The UN is absolutely worthless, he runs it, and he’s got the nerve to talk bad about the US? What a joke.
PS… If anyone honestly thinks he knew of 9/11 you need to be removed from this country. You serve no purpose here. It happened the way it happened. Get over it.
“That’s all I have to say about that”. –Forrest Gump
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Enough is enough.
I read these threads and all the replies and I am just blown away with all this hatred toward the president and the republicans. Where does all this come from? If there were no Iraq war, no terrorism to fight I’m sure some of you guys would still find reasons to hate the man. Why? Ignorance would be my guess. It seems to be the “in” thing to is insult the president with rhetoric they heard from someone else. Please stop listening to Cindy Sheehan and Ted Kennedy and actually think for yourselves. “He’s an idiot”, “he need’s to be impeached”, “he knew of 9/11”, “he covered this or that up”, “he lied about Iraq”. I’m sure some of you haters can add to the list. How pointless, baseless and stupid can all those attacks be?? Maybe if you threw some actual facts in to back up your insults maybe you would gain an IQ point or two. Everyone insulting him seems to have all the answers. Please do us all a favor and run for president and fix what you say is wrong with the country. Some people on these boards have it all figured out. Do I? Of course not, never claimed I did. But I see a man with a backbone and some fortitude to stand up for what’s right. Despite what some of you think, the United States done the right thing by removing Saddam. Throughout history the US has always tried to do the right thing. Which is why we are 1: the greatest country in the world and 2: the most hated. It works the same way in life, if you have the means to help someone less fortunate, it is your duty to help them and not look the other way and say, “it’s not my problem”. It is your problem if you live in this world. We all will answer for the things we did and didn’t do. Of course it can be debated on what country was more of a threat and some points are valid, but our intell, along with a dozen other countries, saw a bigger threat in Iraq. Bush did not lie about it, I’m tired of that line. If anyone can prove Bush went over to Iraq and gathered all the intell by himself then I’ll say he lied. But I’m not holding my breath. Did he have other motives to go into Iraq, maybe, but it was still the right thing to do. So it would be a big help if some of you guys would start blaming the actual terrorist who are blowing people up on all the death in Iraq and not Bush. Has he made mistakes? Of course. Is he stubborn? Yes. I never said he was perfect. To use your hindsight against him and say we never should have done this or that is pathetic and dumb. We won the war. It is these psychotic terrorist we are having to deal with now. News flash, we are not fighting WW1, WW2, Vietnam, we are fighting religious fanatics who WILL NOT surrender under any circumstance. So this will go on for a long time and I dread the day a bleeding heart liberal takes the White House. We have done so many good things over there that no one EVER discusses. Why not? I’d like to see a thread about schools being built, and power plants and water facilities and hospitals. We have done many good things all over the world and all the US gets in return is hate, hate, hate. This clown from the UN is leaving and even he has to throw some bad words toward the US and Bush. The UN is absolutely worthless, he runs it, and he’s got the nerve to talk bad about the US? What a joke.
PS… If anyone honestly thinks he knew of 9/11 you need to be removed from this country. You serve no purpose here. It happened the way it happened. Get over it.
“That’s all I have to say about that”. –Forrest Gump
*Applause* Well said man. Mighty Mouse speaks the truth . . . again.
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Open letter to all crybabies who have to resort to saying "Shut Up" to be right.
Letter: " ::)"
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Open letter to all crybabies who have to resort to saying "Shut Up" to be right.
Letter: " ::)"
Don't you realize that Bush has been right all along? He's one of the greatest Leaders our Nation has ever known. All his failures and shortcomings are nothing but Liberal propaganda.
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1. 2900 dead
2. 20,000 wounded
3. 400 Billion in debt
4. 100k to 600k iraqis dead or wounded
5. UNSTABLE TERRORIST HAVEN BECUASE OF WAR
6. A war started based on a LIE
7. A war started with out planning a good aftermath or alternate plan
And you still think we were in danger from iraq before the war and as a result of the war we are safer now don't you?
did we do the right thing be removing Sadaam? of course but not for the price 2900 mothers had to pay and the arms and legs of 20,000 service men and the increased threat of terrorism in the area combined with it's unstability.
You need to wake up MM and smell the coffee of truth.
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Don't you realize that Bush has been right all along? He's one of the greatest Leaders our Nation has ever known. All his failures and shortcomings are nothing but Liberal propaganda.
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They want you to shut up... Enough is Enough you know ;D
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Theres still Bush supporters?
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHH AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!
You kidding? ???
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They want you to shut up... Enough is Enough you know ;D
Sorry, I'll keep quiet now.
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Careful guys we might be labeled as traitors for having some brains.
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I think MM really cinched down his case with the forest gump quote... wow power ending :D
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"Stupid is, Bush does"
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I think MM really cinched down his case with the forest gump quote... wow power ending :D
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA, that killed me!!!
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Could have ended his arguement by quoting an important historical or current figure. But no, rather he quotes a retarded character from a fictional movie. That right there speaks volumes about his credibility and arguements. ::)
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*Applause* Well said man. Mighty Mouse speaks the truth . . . again.
Beach Bum I though you were better than that? ROFL :o
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Berserker, why are there planes outside spraying these white lines every where? >:( ???
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Beach Bum I though you were better than that? ROFL :o
Hey man I call them as I see them. I think he made some excellent points. There is a lot of hyperbole when it comes to Bush ("war criminal," etc.). Some revisionist history involved too (e.g., ignoring the slew of Democrats who told the American people Saddam had WMDs). The fact is more than 60 million Americans thought Bush was a better candidate than John Kerry. And an admittedly shrinking number still believe he is a good leader. Not perfect by any means (as Mighty Mouse acknowledged), but certainly better than Kerry would have been.
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1. 2900 dead
2. 20,000 wounded
3. 400 Billion in debt
4. 100k to 600k iraqis dead or wounded
5. UNSTABLE TERRORIST HAVEN BECUASE OF WAR
6. A war started based on a LIE
7. A war started with out planning a good aftermath or alternate plan
And you still think we were in danger from iraq before the war and as a result of the war we are safer now don't you?
did we do the right thing be removing Sadaam? of course but not for the price 2900 mothers had to pay and the arms and legs of 20,000 service men and the increased threat of terrorism in the area combined with it's unstability.
You need to wake up MM and smell the coffee of truth.
"Stupid is, Bush does"
you intelligent people make my point for me.
Theres still Bush supporters?
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHH AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!
You kidding? ???
you don't get out much do you?? :'(
please step away from the monitor and get some fresh air
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Enough is enough.
I read these threads and all the replies and I am just blown away with all this hatred toward the president and the republicans. Where does all this come from? If there were no Iraq war, no terrorism to fight I’m sure some of you guys would still find reasons to hate the man. Why? Ignorance would be my guess. It seems to be the “in” thing to is insult the president with rhetoric they heard from someone else. Please stop listening to Cindy Sheehan and Ted Kennedy and actually think for yourselves. “He’s an idiot”, “he need’s to be impeached”, “he knew of 9/11”, “he covered this or that up”, “he lied about Iraq”. I’m sure some of you haters can add to the list. How pointless, baseless and stupid can all those attacks be?? Maybe if you threw some actual facts in to back up your insults maybe you would gain an IQ point or two. Everyone insulting him seems to have all the answers. Please do us all a favor and run for president and fix what you say is wrong with the country. Some people on these boards have it all figured out. Do I? Of course not, never claimed I did. But I see a man with a backbone and some fortitude to stand up for what’s right. Despite what some of you think, the United States done the right thing by removing Saddam. Throughout history the US has always tried to do the right thing. Which is why we are 1: the greatest country in the world and 2: the most hated. It works the same way in life, if you have the means to help someone less fortunate, it is your duty to help them and not look the other way and say, “it’s not my problem”. It is your problem if you live in this world. We all will answer for the things we did and didn’t do. Of course it can be debated on what country was more of a threat and some points are valid, but our intell, along with a dozen other countries, saw a bigger threat in Iraq. Bush did not lie about it, I’m tired of that line. If anyone can prove Bush went over to Iraq and gathered all the intell by himself then I’ll say he lied. But I’m not holding my breath. Did he have other motives to go into Iraq, maybe, but it was still the right thing to do. So it would be a big help if some of you guys would start blaming the actual terrorist who are blowing people up on all the death in Iraq and not Bush. Has he made mistakes? Of course. Is he stubborn? Yes. I never said he was perfect. To use your hindsight against him and say we never should have done this or that is pathetic and dumb. We won the war. It is these psychotic terrorist we are having to deal with now. News flash, we are not fighting WW1, WW2, Vietnam, we are fighting religious fanatics who WILL NOT surrender under any circumstance. So this will go on for a long time and I dread the day a bleeding heart liberal takes the White House. We have done so many good things over there that no one EVER discusses. Why not? I’d like to see a thread about schools being built, and power plants and water facilities and hospitals. We have done many good things all over the world and all the US gets in return is hate, hate, hate. This clown from the UN is leaving and even he has to throw some bad words toward the US and Bush. The UN is absolutely worthless, he runs it, and he’s got the nerve to talk bad about the US? What a joke.
PS… If anyone honestly thinks he knew of 9/11 you need to be removed from this country. You serve no purpose here. It happened the way it happened. Get over it.
“That’s all I have to say about that”. –Forrest Gump
Another Red state Hillbilly.
Nuff Said
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bush was labeled an idiot long before he got into the white house. remember when he first announced he was running for president. that reporter asked him all those questions about different countries and different leaders in the world. bush had no idea who anybody was. his defense was "i'm the governor of texas, i dont deal with those people yet".
but that interview always stuck with him. its just like when dan quail misspelled potato. he too was always labeled an idiot.
90% of everyone who hates bush, dont even know why they hate him. they just do.
people are so fucking stupid blaming the war on iraq. bush is a judge, the Senate is the jury. the jury decided to go to iraq. how come none of those people are hated?
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Berserker, why are there planes outside spraying these white lines every where? >:( ???
chemtrails... They're spraying for neocons
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I don't hate Bush, hell... I would love to be his good friend, the guy is funny as hell. I just don't think he's President material. (see Ozmos first post)
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Yet he only won by 3 million votes after stealing OH and FL?
Stop living in early 2004, dude. What you're seeing now is only the tip of the iceberg. You want to stay behind your guy, but it's going to be such a bellyache for you as more and more info comes out about what has gone on.
Do you ever get your facts straight? He stole Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004. ::) And three million votes is more than the population of some states. He also carried more than 30 states. ::)
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you intelligent people make my point for me.
That's the best response you have? Figures.......... considering the source.
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He won those states on outright statistical anomalies ranging in the billions, then sued to prevent a recount. If you don't understand that is stealing an election, you don't understand grade 9 statistics.
And YOU said more than 60 mill candidates thought bush was better. Well, 57 mill thought kerry was better. personally, i think they both suck.
It doesn't really matter how he got elected right now. It doesn't matter he got re-elected because his competition would in my opinion not have much bettercondiering he would have walked into a Republican controlled senate and house.
What matters is we learn from this iraq debacle
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It doesn't really matter how he got elected right now. It doesn't matter he got re-elected because his competition would in my opinion not have much bettercondiering he would have walked into a Republican controlled senate and house.
What matters is we learn from this iraq debacle
Stop making sense, don't you realize that Pro-Bush wackos don't want to hear common sense. All they want is to blame it everything on the liberals and the liberal media.
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I'll be happy to run the neocons out of this country... If they think world domination is the American purpose, they're about the only people who truely don't deserve to be American Citizens.
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You liberals ruined what could have been a very nice letter to bush telling him what a great job he's doing.
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Careful guys we might be labeled as traitors for having some brains.
I love the logic in that.
I dare question things that don't add up, and I'm a traitor for not believing in what those doing me (and others, most importantly, my country) harm tell me.
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washington and jefferson would have been the loudest 911 skeptics of them all.
they designed our constitution so that the country could be "run by devils", in other words, even corrupt leaders would be kept in check by the constitution.
Of course, Bush just went and changed the constitution LMAO...
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Another Red state Hillbilly.
Nuff Said
you sure got a pretty mouth!!
:-*
90% of everyone who hates bush, dont even know why they hate him. they just do.
people are so fucking stupid blaming the war on iraq. bush is a judge, the Senate is the jury. the jury decided to go to iraq. how come none of those people are hated?
because the people that spend their time and effort hating bush are brainless. like i stated before, it's the popular thing to do. and you're right, i don't ever hear hatred about the congress that voted for it. why?
good post
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you sure got a pretty mouth!!
:-*
because the people that spend their time and effort hating bush are brainless. like i stated before, it's the popular thing to do. and you're right, i don't ever hear hatred about the congress that voted for it. why?
good post
Actually, if you look and read between the lines you'd see that people have legit reasons for hating Bush. Hell, Berserk, 240, Ozmo and myself all give you long, detailed reasons on why he's a horrible leader and you choose to fight back with the same baseless arguements that we've proven to be false. You also choose to ignore the cold hard facts we present by replying with the same nonsense over and over.
Put a sock in it.
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Actually, if you look and read between the lines you'd see that people have legit reasons for hating Bush. Hell, Berserk, 240, Ozmo and myself all give you long, detailed reasons on why he's a horrible leader and you choose to fight back with the same baseless arguements that we've proven to be false. You also choose to ignore the cold hard facts we present by replying with the same nonsense over and over.
Put a sock in it.
give me some cold hard facts camel boy.
you guys suck each others wang all day when it comes to the bush hating threads, but let someone post something that you disagree with and you get all pissy.
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because the people that spend their time and effort hating bush are brainless. like i stated before, it's the popular thing to do. and you're right, i don't ever hear hatred about the congress that voted for it. why?
good post
Brainless? LOL, isn't that ironic.
I'm curious, the Congress you mentioned voting for the War, was it a Republican Majority Congress at the time? I'm asking because I don't know the answer.
If that is the case then perhaps the people have spoken with the recent elections and they voiced their displeasure at the polls.
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Brainless? LOL, isn't that ironic.
I'm curious, the Congress you mentioned voting for the War, was it a Republican Majority Congress at the time? I'm asking because I don't know the answer.
If that is the case then perhaps the people have spoken with the recent elections and they voiced their displeasure at the polls.
ok then, all the repubs voted for it and the dems voted against it?? is that your point?
you made some sense here, voting is the way to voice your displeasure. you don't like the man or the party, then vote them out. the name calling and baseless attacks are childish.
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ok then, all the repubs voted for it and the dems voted against it?? is that your point?
you made some sense here, voting is the way to voice your displeasure. you don't like the man or the party, then vote them out. the name calling and baseless attacks are childish.
No, I'm not saying the Democrats didn't vote for the War what I'm saying is if the Congress was a Republican Majority perhaps the American People voiced their dissent with the war by voting a good amount of those Republicans out of office.
I know Democrats voted for the war, I think you would have been hard pressed to find anyone that didn't want to to into Afghanistan, Iraq is a different story but I think people were still willing to go into Iraq at that time as well.
The problem is that things changed. People's opinions of the war in Iraq changed legitimately. Clearly this War isn't what it was initially purported to be and we're not there for the reasons we were told.
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MM can't argue anypoints.
He can however, cut and paste.
Too bad his hero will go down in history as committing one of the worse mistakes in American History. That's ok though, MM, there are still nazi's worshipping Hitler.
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To all the pro-Bush guys, I used to be one of you. I used to give dirty looks to liberal scum and I would openly disrespect anyone in a kerry t-shirt.
you world is going to collapse so hard in 2009. The shit that will come out is going to floor you. And I don't just mean 9/11 stuff. Every little law he's broken, every person he's gagged, every person intimidated will suddenly feel okay to come forward.
Til then, keep on backing the guy.
Please tell me a law he has broken and if so, then can you explain how it was not in this country's best interest.
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No, I'm not saying the Democrats didn't vote for the War what I'm saying is if the Congress was a Republican Majority perhaps the American People voiced their dissent with the war by voting a good amount of those Republicans out of office.
I know Democrats voted for the war, I think you would have been hard pressed to find anyone that didn't want to to into Afghanistan, Iraq is a different story but I think people were still willing to go into Iraq at that time as well.
The problem is that things changed. People's opinions of the war in Iraq changed legitimately. Clearly this War isn't what it was initially purported to be and we're not there for the reasons we were told.
you are right sir. afganistan, no doubt. i've stated before, iraq can be debated and i have gone back and forth. but in a post 9/11 world the US cannot afford to wait for something to happen to act. saddam was not complying with the inspectors, despite what some people say. he broke the resolution 17 times. what else were we supposed to do? we won that war blind folded. did bush, or anyone else for that matter know what we would be dealing with now? of course not. but bush cannot change course just because people's opinion's have changed. he is not a poll president.
here's a question that might be good for debate. if, before 9/11, bush would have went into afganistan, destroyed the taliban, killed hundreds of people and started a new govt, would you say he was an idiot, got people killed for no reason, wasted money, lives and resources?
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The United States had plans for war prior to march 03. They were clearly out to invade, despite knowing he had nothing. Those who called Bush out and questioned the invasion (Annan, France) were ridiculed right away. Looking back, France and Kofi Annan were RIGHT.
Fact is that Bush was openly pushing for war and he conned the American people into supporting his bullshit.
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MM can't argue anypoints.
He can however, cut and paste.
Too bad his hero will go down in history as committing one of the worse mistakes in American History. That's ok though, MM, there are still nazi's worshipping Hitler.
make a valid point brainiac. your little snide comments are about as worthless as you are. you want to debate something, then let's debate. you want to throw insults then so be it.
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France and Kofi Annan were RIGHT.
you have just described yourself perfectly.
understanding your ignorance now.
sad, so sad :'(
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we won that war blind folded.
REally? Perhaps you could convince the people who are still dying there every day of that fact.
but in a post 9/11 world the US cannot afford to wait for something to happen to act.
And we cannot let stupid emotions and greed cuase us to manipulate the American publlic in supporting a war that was poorly thought out.
did bush, or anyone else for that matter know what we would be dealing with now? of course not.
Did Bush consult Powell? NO.
he is not a poll president.
He's a presitdent in title only. He'll be remembered as a baffoon.
here's a question that might be good for debate. if, before 9/11, bush would have went into afganistan, destroyed the taliban, killed hundreds of people and started a new govt, would you say he was an idiot, got people killed for no reason, wasted money, lives and resources?
That by itself probably wouldn;t have stopped 9/11. Might have changed the date however.
However we should be talking about what BUSH did do......totally f**ked up.
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make a valid point brainiac. your little snide comments are about as worthless as you are. you want to debate something, then let's debate. you want to throw insults then so be it.
I'm still waiting for you to make one. the one of yours i responded to above is a joke. So far at the beginning of the thread, from your cut and patse crap you haven't done jack except to look foolish by posting that weak ass article.
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REally? Perhaps you could convince the people who are still dying there every day of that fact.
apparently you didn't read anything. start blaming the people who are actually doing the killing. is the US killing innocent people?? we would have been gone a long time ago.
And we cannot let stupid emotions and greed cuase us to manipulate the American publlic in supporting a war that was poorly thought out.
your opinion, means nothing. i guess you knew everything the way it was going to happen beforehand?? wonder why they didn't listen to you. hind sight 20/20. you can't script a war enstein.
He's a presitdent in title only. He'll be remembered as a baffoon.
your opinion, means nothing. name calling has not sustanance
I'm still waiting for you to make one. the one of yours i responded to above is a joke. So far at the beginning of the thread, from your cut and patse crap you haven't done jack except to look foolish by posting that weak ass article.
dude, how old are you? you've got to be 12 or 13. grow up.
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you have just described yourself perfectly.
understanding your ignorance now.
sad, so sad :'(
Okay, go call french fries 'freedom fries' ;D
They were right, if not, then explain how they were wrong.
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apparently you didn't read anything. start blaming the people who are actually doing the killing. is the US killing innocent people?? we would have been gone a long time ago.
The amount of death and destruction that is going on there now appalling. people can't even wait in line for a job with out worrying about a bomb. We caused this. We allowed it to happen becuase the American poeple were sold a bull shit bill of goods planned by idiots like Rumsfield who didn;t even have the wisdom to do the right amount of research before they created a living hell in iraq.
Fucking brilliant of them and you run around saying shit like we won? Priceless!
your opinion, means nothing. i guess you knew everything the way it was going to happen beforehand?? wonder why they didn't listen to you. hind sight 20/20. you can't script a war enstein.
From the very beginning i thought the war was a bad idea. I knew we were doing something that wasn;t our nature and because of the "fear" of terrorism we were being manipulated into supporting it.
And i do know this......becuase i listen to guys like Powell. We didn't go in with enough troops. that was the catalist of the instability 2900 U.S. mothers are grieving for.
Why do you think Powell resigned? THINK YOUNG MAN THINK!
your opinion, means nothing. name calling has not sustanance
dude, how old are you? you've got to be 12 or 13. grow up.
OK fair enough, name calling. You can do that to. but can you make a good point? You haven't yet.
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ok put yourself in this position. your the president of the united states. 911 happens. your getting shit on everyday because you didnt do enough to prevent the attacks. your worried that the U.S. will get attacked again. you see whats going on in iraq. they're harboring terrorists, saddam kicks out the weapons inspectors. the russian cia, tony blairs cia, and your own cia tells you that saddam has wmd's. what would you do?
bush himself has admitted that if he knew they didnt have the wmd's he would not have taken such drastic action. but with the info they had, the president and the senate made the right decision. if they could go back in time, im sure they would do something different. but to call him an idiot and a criminal is unnecessary
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ok put yourself in this position. your the president of the united states. 911 happens. your getting shit on everyday because you didnt do enough to prevent the attacks. your worried that the U.S. will get attacked again. you see whats going on in iraq. they're harboring terrorists, saddam kicks out the weapons inspectors. the russian cia, tony blairs cia, and your own cia tells you that saddam has wmd's. what would you do?
bush himself has admitted that if he knew they didnt have the wmd's he would not have taken such drastic action. but with the info they had, the president and the senate made the right decision. if they could go back in time, im sure they would do something different. but to call him an idiot and a criminal is unnecessary
It was never proven they were haboring terrorist. In fact reports said the presense of Al Queda in iraq was next to nothing. Sadaam wasn't a threat. He was under control for many reasons including that he knew very well we were just looking for an excuse to remove him from power. violating 17 resoltuions does not justify 2900 USA dead, 20,000 wounded, 100k to 600K iraqis dead or wounded.
You think there was crazy torture and murder going in iraq before we invaded? It's far worse now. And it was far worse in N.. Korea., and Africa.
the real threat was ( and more so now) N. Korea and Iran becuase knew then that they were short years away from Nukes. Now becuase we are so strung out we do not have the resources to fight another conflict as large as Iran or N. Korea.
What if we spent and extra 400 billion in anti terrorism? think about that? instead we've spend 400 billion and we sitll have a mess that is worse than it was before.
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bush himself has admitted that if he knew they didnt have the wmd's he would not have taken such drastic action.
Bush admitted that to save his politcal ass and well his parties. Believe me if there no instablity in iraq and there was no wide spread violence he'd be sitting a smug as a bug in a rug admitting to nothing.
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take the blinders off. every intelligence agency in the world believed he was up to no good. was it good info, no. was it the right decision with that info? yes
would bush or the senate do the same thing with the info we have now? no
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take the blinders off. every intelligence agency in the world believed he was up to no good. was it good info, no. was it the right decision with that info? yes
would bush or the senate do the same thing with the info we have now? no
EVERY? How many leaders are up to no good now? should we just arbitrarily invade them too?
Open you eyes! they had the perfect excuse to go grab the oil and take control of it and establish a military presense in the area.
They didn;t go in for the reasons you specified: Iraq was a danger to the USA. At the time Iran and N. Korea were more of a danger.
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The United States had plans for war prior to march 03. They were clearly out to invade, despite knowing he had nothing. Those who called Bush out and questioned the invasion (Annan, France) were ridiculed right away. Looking back, France and Kofi Annan were RIGHT.
Fact is that Bush was openly pushing for war and he conned the American people into supporting his bullshit.
France continually tries to recapture former colonial glory so any time it can project the polar opposite postion of the US it will try. Their military is worthless so they would be of no help. As for Kofi Annan and the UN...... ::)
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France continually tries to recapture former colonial glory so any time it can project the polar opposite postion of the US it will try. Their military is worthless so they would be of no help. As for Kofi Annan and the UN...... ::)
(http://portal.singularity.be/pictures/soldier_of_surrender_french_military_magazine.jpg)
;D
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the real threat was ( and more so now) N. Korea and Iran becuase knew then that they were short years away from Nukes. Now becuase we are so strung out we do not have the resources to fight another conflict as large as Iran or N. Korea.
saddam was a threat. i said before, there were and still are other threats and you can debate this all day, but we chose to take iraq. as history would tell us, saddam had more hatred toward the US than NK or Iran.
We caused this. We allowed it to happen becuase the American poeple were sold a bull shit bill of goods planned by idiots like Rumsfield who didn;t even have the wisdom to do the right amount of research before they created a living hell in iraq.
Fucking brilliant of them and you run around saying shit like we won? Priceless!
are you an american? do you constantly bad mouth the US? can you not see that the US has tried to do the right thing. did we create the war? no. saddam did. we told him to comply. and yes, 17 times you break an international law and something needs to be done. how many times would let a child break a rule and not punish him. have a backbone man. are we continually killing innocent people now. no. i never said this was planned right. name me any war or conflict where there were no mistakes. for you to say we are causing all the innocent killing is the same as you defending the bombers and terrorist. why would you do that. why don't you get on our side for once and stop defending them. maybe if they stop, we can come home. do changes need to be made? yes. i'm glad rummy is gone.
of course you said you were against it, you knew what was going to happen.
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saddam was a threat. i said before, there were and still are other threats and you can debate this all day, but we chose to take iraq. as history would tell us, saddam had more hatred toward the US than NK or Iran.
Um, the president of Greenland might have more "hatred" for us than anyone else in the world. It's capability to attack - which NK obviously has far greater capacity than Iraq. Just because "sadaam had more hatred"... um, who gives a shit if a leader doesn't like us? If he had no WMD (besides that 80s crap buried), and he hadn't attacked us, why the heck did we take on them before North Korea, who 1) has nukes, and 2) FIRES MISSILES AT US?
Why are people so blind? NK fired missiles at hawaii on the 4th of July. Yet you want a 3rd war in the middle east against a nation which hasn't attacked us. Incredible.
*And no- afghanistan didn't attack us - Taliban warned us about 9/11 and offered up bin laden. We wanted war instead.
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This is always a hot debate.
I don't hate Bush, I don't agree with his policies. That doesn't mean I hate him.
I think he isn't Presidential material. But he is the Prez, end of that story.
Is he better than Kerry would've been? Who knows, We can only speculate as to what another person would do in the Oval office.
As stated by others, there are other countries that hate us more than Iraq. Iran is a country of religious fanatics.
Now Bush is globetrotting to get some of these countries that hate us to figure out a solution to the mess in Iraq.
He is looking for a solution to the problem by talking to others. You can teach old dogs new tricks.
The generals on the field seem to want more people to train the Iraqi army, not more troops to kill, kill, kill.
Obviously, what has been going on in Iraq is not working and Bush has to change the plan.
Working on getting troop withdrawal after all of this time. Would that be considered "cutting and running"?
I do believe that is what the warmongers always said whenever anyone mentioned getting out of Iraq.
sidebar: Word on the street is there is a book coming out about the rocky Bush marriage, his drinking binges in the whitehouse and his having the hots for Condi rice.
Sandra
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This is always a hot debate.
I don't hate Bush, I don't agree with his policies. That doesn't mean I hate him.
I think he isn't Presidential material. But he is the Prez, end of that story.
Is he better than Kerry would've been? Who knows, We can only speculate as to what another person would do in the Oval office.
As stated by others, there are other countries that hate us more than Iraq. Iran is a country of religious fanatics.
Now Bush is globetrotting to get some of these countries that hate us to figure out a solution to the mess in Iraq.
He is looking for a solution to the problem by talking to others. You can teach old dogs new tricks.
The generals on the field seem to want more people to train the Iraqi army, not more troops to kill, kill, kill.
Obviously, what has been going on in Iraq is not working and Bush has to change the plan.
Working on getting troop withdrawal after all of this time. Would that be considered "cutting and running"?
I do believe that is what the warmongers always said whenever anyone mentioned getting out of Iraq.
sidebar: Word on the street is there is a book coming out about the rocky Bush marriage, his drinking binges in the whitehouse and his having the hots for Condi rice.
Sandra
Wow, that's a hell of a sidebar. I didn't need to know about his hots for Rice. Yikes.
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are you an american? do you constantly bad mouth the US? can you not see that the US has tried to do the right thing. did we create the war? no. saddam did. we told him to comply. and yes, 17 times you break an international law and something needs to be done. how many times would let a child break a rule and not punish him. have a backbone man. are we continually killing innocent people now. no. i never said this was planned right. name me any war or conflict where there were no mistakes. for you to say we are causing all the innocent killing is the same as you defending the bombers and terrorist. why would you do that. why don't you get on our side for once and stop defending them. maybe if they stop, we can come home. do changes need to be made? yes. i'm glad rummy is gone.
of course you said you were against it, you knew what was going to happen.
He didn't have much hate when we sold him those chemical weapons so he could gas his own people. We only singled him out at a badguy when he threatened our oil interests by invading Kuwait.
Saddam could have kissed the ass of Bush and still it wouldn't have mattered considering the fact that the US was openly out for war. Hell, they conned the American people into supporting the war via the faulty intelligence reports.
People like you are beyond stupid. You must admit 1) Iraq was a huge mistake
Don't give a half-assedly reply say we are doing it wrong. Bottom line is that Iraq was a HUGE MISTAKE.
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If Bush committed an impeachable offense then he should be impeached. No one's "opinion" matters.
The Republican controlled congress refused to do their job and so there have been no investigations (for perspective - the Republican controlled congress held ~ 100 hours of hearings on the Clinton administrations alleged abuse of the White House Christmas List).
The 110th Congress will do oversight (hopefully) and if crimes were committed then he should be impeached.
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saddam was a threat. i said before, there were and still are other threats and you can debate this all day, but we chose to take iraq. as history would tell us, saddam had more hatred toward the US than NK or Iran.
Are you so simple that you think Saddam's motivations were pure hatred? Saddam motivations were power and money. He wanted to keep his power and money. He only had a problem with the US because we partially controlled his power and money by not letting him project power economically/militarily outside of Iraq. World politics is not like the play ground, MM. You don't have people that "hate" you so that you have to pick a fight with them before they do. Saddam was interested in one thing: Keeping his power. Any idiot including Saddam knew in order to do that he'd have to NOT f**k with the US.
But this may be way to complex for you to comprehend outside your playground mentality.
are you an American? do you constantly bad mouth the US?
YES.
NO. And i don't hide my head in the sand or stop using my brain. I speak out. It's my right. It's your right too.
can you not see that the US has tried to do the right thing. did we create the war? no. saddam did. we told him to comply. and yes, 17 times you break an international law and something needs to be done. how many times would let a child break a rule and not punish him. have a backbone man.
You are priceless! You are more brainwashed than most of the neo-cons on this board. You make this fun.
WE INVADED A COUNTRY UNPRVOKED! IRAQ DID NOT ATTACK THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
17 times they broke UN laws....DID THE UN BACK THIS INVASION? FUCKING NO.
and guess what: Iraq isn't our child. it's country..... (more of your play ground mentality)
no. i never said this was planned right. name me any war or conflict where there were no mistakes. for you to say we are causing all the innocent killing is the same as you defending the bombers and terrorist. why would you do that. why don't you get on our side for once and stop defending them. maybe if they stop, we can come home. do changes need to be made? yes. I'm glad rummy is gone.
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You think that because I'm against the iraq war that I'm defending bombers and terrorist?
How fucking stupid are you?
I'm not saying we caused the innocent killing..............I'm saying we caused this mess.
Classic, uneducated, brainwashed, drone to think that some who is against this war is for the terrorist. You'd make a good candidate for a cult.
Get out of the play ground and join the real world.
of course you said you were against it, you knew what was going to happen.
I was against it before it happen. I have friends in the military who told me it looked as though we going in there months before we did. I was against it then because i think America isn't about attacking first. (although we have in the past)
I had no idea this current mess would have happened until the looting started after we took bagdad. then i found out about how many troops we had used there and knew it was a fucking stupid mistake by BUSH to allow us to invaded a country with out enough troops to keep order.
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If Bush committed an impeachable offense then he should be impeached. No one's "opinion" matters.
The Republican controlled congress refused to do their job and so there have been no investigations (for perspective - the Republican controlled congress held ~ 100 hours of hearings on the Clinton administrations alleged abuse of the White House Christmas List).
The 110th Congress will do oversight (hopefully) and if crimes were committed then he should be impeached.
I suspect "impeachment" will be reserved to internet message boards and outgoing kooky members of Congress.
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I suspect "impeachment" will be reserved to internet message boards and outgoing kooky members of Congress.
by "impeachment" I"m guessing you mean talk of impeachment. Actual impeachment proceedings will only take place in Congress (first) and then the Senate. My suspicion is that the whole tenor will change once the 110 congress starts investigating Bush.
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by "impeachment" I"m guessing you mean talk of impeachment. Actual impeachment proceedings will only take place in Congress (first) and then the Senate. My suspicion is that the whole tenor will change once the 110 congress starts investigating Bush.
I mean talk of impeachment and actual impeachment proceedings. The whole idea is silly.
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No investigations have been done and actual impeachment proceedings haven't been started - how can you conclude that the idea is silly? If there is evidence of a crime that is an impeachable offense then he should be impeached.
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No investigations have been done and actual impeachment proceedings haven't been started - how can you conclude that the idea is silly? If there is evidence of a crime that is an impeachable offense then he should be impeached.
It's silly because Bush hasn't committed any crimes. Absurd. We tried that nonsense with Clinton. I think Congress learned its lesson. There won't be any witch hunts in the next two years. The Dems cannot afford to make fools of themselves with a wide open presidential election less than two years away.
But we can still talk about it on this message board. :)
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"It's silly because Bush hasn't committed any crimes"
How do we know that? There's been no oversight.
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"It's silly because Bush hasn't committed any crimes"
How do we know that? There's been no oversight.
They are not going to have a committee go on a fishing expedition looking for possible "crimes" committed by Bush.
Most of the people who talk about impeachment refer to the war. There will be no impeachment over the war. No laws were broken and there were too many Democrats involved.
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sounds like you've done your own investigation - shouldn't we let Congress do one now.
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sounds like you've done your own investigation - shouldn't we let Congress do one now.
No. See my prior posts.
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No. See my prior posts.
As you've said - on the internet it's all talk
Congress' job is oversight and regardless of our various points of view - oversight is coming .... or not. I don't have a lot of faith in Democrats either quite frankly.
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Actually,
There is a Rep. Henry Waxman out of Los Angeles who has been investigating different things in this administration for the last 6 years.
Now that the dems are back in the house, he will have more leeway. Some of the things he is credited for investigating are steroids in baseball, abuse at Abu Gharaib, contracts given to halliburton, etc.(NJ star ledger)
So, things will be interesting as time goes on.
Sandra
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John Dingell is another one to watch. From Wikipedia:
During his first stint as chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee, Dingell was regarded by analysts as one of the four or five most powerful members of the House.
Dingell was well known, and often feared, for his vigorous approach to oversight. He hung a portrait of the Earth near his committee's hearing room, and pointed to it when asked about his committee's jurisdiction. He subpoenaed numerous high government officials to testify before the committee and grilled them for hours. He insisted that anyone testifying before his committee do so under oath, thus exposing them to perjury charges if they didn't tell the truth. His committee uncovered numerous instances of corruption and waste, such as the use of $600 toilet seats at the Pentagon. Dingell takes credit for forcing the resignations of many Food and Drug Administration officials, and sending many Environmental Protection Agency officials to jail.
After serving as the committee's ranking Democrat for 12 years, Dingell is poised to regain the chairmanship. He told Newsweek that he wants to investigate the Bush Administration's handling of port security, the Medicare prescription drug program and Dick Cheney's energy task force. [3]
link to Newsweek article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15365610/site/newsweek/
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If they get some good solid dirt on BUSH maybe they will try to impeach. I just don't they will be able to in time before he leaves office.
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Actually,
There is a Rep. Henry Waxman out of Los Angeles who has been investigating different things in this administration for the last 6 years.
Now that the dems are back in the house, he will have more leeway. Some of the things he is credited for investigating are steroids in baseball, abuse at Abu Gharaib, contracts given to halliburton, etc.(NJ star ledger)
So, things will be interesting as time goes on.
Sandra
I like what Waxman did to the tobacco company chiefs, but other than that he isn't all that useful.
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Steroids in professional sports?
Who'da Thunk It
what a colossal f'ng waste of time and money
Then again, I guess there was nothing else going on at the time that needed their attention