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I think he can upset a lot of the guys and an easy top 6 in the O and might win or 2nd in the ASC
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Agree!
;D :o ;D
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Only problem is the Winner of the olympia seems to be decided way before the contest is ever held. They had Ronnie winning it every year for his run and I think they had already made their mind up before the O this year that they would give it to Cutler. now he will win it 3 or 4 years in a row. The olympia contest is a fucking joke.
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Agree!
;D :o ;D
SHAWN RAY WILL WIN THE ARNOLD CLASSIC
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He has a lot to prove. I dont think the ASC or O will happen for a while. Give him about 3 years. Thats my opinion
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He has a lot to prove. I dont think the ASC or O will happen for a while. Give him about 3 years. Thats my opinion
What does he have to prove? He just needs to be better than the others on that day.
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Looking at the Colorodo pics, Heath needs more back size.
Apparently Heath has recently brought up his back and by March he may be able to place top 3.
Dexter, Melvin, Gustavo, Victor, Branch, and Jonnie all have backs.
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Only problem is the Winner of the olympia seems to be decided way before the contest is ever held. They had Ronnie winning it every year for his run and I think they had already made their mind up before the O this year that they would give it to Cutler. now he will win it 3 or 4 years in a row. The olympia contest is a fucking joke.
So....whoever wins THIS year will have been decided before also? I guess you could say that for any given year then, right?
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If Phil brings the same conditioning he presented a the Colo pro with the added size he has been working on to the 2007 ASC, we have a new winner.
The O maybe a different story (Ronnie's unfinished business for 07).
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So....whoever wins THIS year will have been decided before also? I guess you could say that for any given year then, right?
I just say write it down, Jay Cutler has already won last year, this year and the year after, then he retires and the O brings in the new champ for a 4 or 5 year run. There always is a guy that goes on a streak of several years winning it. Can you honestly say its because hes the best every year during that run? You think Ronnie was the best his entire run? Or dorian?
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I see Phil as a real threat this yr to take the ASC title. I am looking forward to seeing him onstage comparing with Victor.
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No, I don't...but agreeing or disagreeing with the decision has nothing to do with being "pre-determined"...What would be the advantage of having a champ for 8 years in a row? Who would benefit (other than Ronnie)? Did it help the sport?
If you're going to lay claim to conspiracies, at least try and justify what you're saying...
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So....whoever wins THIS year will have been decided before also? I guess you could say that for any given year then, right?
The Olympia is VERY predictable. The top 2 next year will be Ronnie and Jay. That's a given. It would take a minor miracle for someone else to place 1st or second next year.
Heath looks good next to Vic and Dex, but in those pics he is smaller, but, he has a crisper look. I actually thinks he looks better b/c he has more detail
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Phil shouldnt win that ...melvin, dex, victor are all much better than him...the only way i can see them letting him win is to create a new star..sell mags, new controversy...
but that never happens in BB ::)
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ASC yes O, no.
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Phil's conditioning for the Colorado pro was really incredible, especially from the back.
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So....whoever wins THIS year will have been decided before also? I guess you could say that for any given year then, right?
but bob, it does to some extent have a lot to do with "what the judges are looking for"... right?... i mean the reality is that phil could never win the O looking anything like he does now, right?... ide love to see someone looking like he does walk away with it, but will that happen?, probably not, unless the judges "decide b4hand" that this year theyre going to favor a more traditional styled physique... dont these "judges" have half a dozen or so meetings the week b4 the olympia to discuss such matters.... if not, why all the meetings
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phil is a bad dude. i have already said it before i believe he can and prob. will win the arnold. him and dexter have a thing going so we will see who comes out on top..my bet is phil will. if not this yr then next.
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Phil is good, but he needs another 2-3 years I think to be a serious threat at those bigger shows. Vic is killing him in those comparison shots
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What does he have to prove? He just needs to be better than the others on that day.
that's how it SHOULD work, but sadly not how it DOES work.
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I just say write it down, Jay Cutler has already won last year, this year and the year after, then he retires and the O brings in the new champ for a 4 or 5 year run. There always is a guy that goes on a streak of several years winning it. Can you honestly say its because hes the best every year during that run? You think Ronnie was the best his entire run? Or dorian?
This is total fact, but people don't like to acknowledge it, because they want to believe it's a "sport" hahahahahaha
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Ive seen Phil in person a few weeks ago at a local Denver bodybuilding show.
The guy has gotten bigger and so has Kai Greene
For you guys to underestimate Phil is foolish. Until you can stand right next to a pro and see how small you are compared to them, youll never understand...
I thought I was a big guy..Phil is huge! And I believe in my heart he will take the Arnold....
Ive seen Dexter in person too and wasnt even impressed at all....I tell you...I believe Phil is bigger than Dexter.
Wait till you see the package Phil brings....
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Ive seen Phil in person a few weeks ago at a local Denver bodybuilding show.
The guy has gotten bigger and so has Kai Greene
For you guys to underestimate Phil is foolish. Until you can stand right next to a pro and see how small you are compared to them, youll never understand...
I thought I was a big guy..Phil is huge! And I believe in my heart he will take the Arnold....
Ive seen Dexter in person too and wasnt even impressed at all....I tell you...I believe Phil is bigger than Dexter.
Wait till you see the package Phil brings....
phil is big, not huge. saw him at the nats and at a restaurant after the finals and ill be the first to say it im not a big guy. dont get me wrong, heath is big. he will win a bunch in the future.
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delta..you just confused the hell out of me???? ???
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Looking at the Colorodo pics, Heath needs more back size.
Apparently Heath has recently brought up his back and by March he may be able to place top 3.
Dexter, Melvin, Gustavo, Victor, Branch, and Jonnie all have backs.
I totally agree. In those pics, Dex, and Vic are killing Heath from the back....but Phil def. holds his own from the front.
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Phil seems to have a not so wide structure- result is he doesn't have any taper in that ab-thigh.
Looks awesome though.
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Phil Narrow... Ok ::)... as in, Flex Wheeler narrow!!
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Look good. But TOO SMALL.
At least need Victors size to be a mr.O.
Shawn just want to justify his possibility to be a mr.O because of being similar body type to this Phil Heath.
i saw same tendency in Milos too. His favorite BBers are always good proportion BBer with thin muscle.
Balance is very important between Mass and Shape.
You dont need to be bigger to be ugly, but you need minimum mass to be a mr.O.
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Look good. But TOO SMALL.
At least need Victors size to be a mr.O.
Shawn just want to justify his possibility to be a mr.O because of being similar body type to this Phil Heath.
i saw same tendency in Milos too. His favorite BBers are always good proportion BBer with thin muscle.
Balance is very important between Mass and Shape.
You dont need to be bigger to be ugly, but you need minimum mass to be a mr.O.
uhhhh........
Last time I checked Frank Zane weighed 190 lbs as mr O..... Columbo UNDER 200 as well..... ::)
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Phil Narrow... Ok ::)... as in, Flex Wheeler narrow!!
Obviously comparitively narrow. ::)
And yes, in that picture you posted, Phil looks about as wide as a scarecrow compared to guys like Jay, Ronnie, Victor, DJ, Ruhl etc.
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uhhhh........
Last time I checked Frank Zane weighed 190 lbs as mr O..... Columbo UNDER 200 as well..... ::)
In old days, simply there werent tall BBers without lagging bodyparts.
In those days,if one BBer has 250, he was not big but he was tall.And its difficult to be filled with muscle for tall guys especially legs.
From this mean,also,in old time mr.U or USA,most of Overall winners are from middle weight. Not Light heavy nor heavy.
But,now a day,many tall bber without lagging bodyparts like Gunter occupy top spot.
So if you are short,you should be unbelievably huge to knock out those tall guys without lagging bodyparts.
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uhhhh........
Last time I checked Frank Zane weighed 190 lbs as mr O..... Columbo UNDER 200 as well..... ::)
that was a long time ago in a diff era. will not happen again.
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delta..you just confused the hell out of me???? ???
jerry, ive stood next to many pros. im not a big guy so i know what it is like to understand huge.
saw phil at the nats expo and at jerrys deli after the finals on miami beach. seated with him were gustavo, jeramy freeman(THIS GUY WAS HUUUUGE), haney rambod, bob chik, my freind bill wilmore,the super heavy guy that got 4th(i think), and a few i cant remember right now. dont get me wrong, phil is big, just not in the huge catagory yet.
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We all know Victor has the size over Phil and Dex, but can he come in conditioned and hold it? He was the best we'd seen him in the Olympia prejudging but wasn't able to keep it. Dexter's conditioning is never an issue and we'll know he'll come in peeled. Phil has put on some thickness in his offseason and if he can match his Colorado conditioning, this is going to be one interesting Arnold. These are your top 3 contenders without a doubt but Branch, Gustavo and Toney Freeman are looking to get in the mix as well.
This will be one of the best AC's in some time.
LIFT
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jerry, ive stood next to many pros. im not a big guy so i know what it is like to understand huge.
saw phil at the nats expo and at jerrys deli after the finals on miami beach. seated with him were gustavo, jeramy freeman(THIS GUY WAS HUUUUGE), haney rambod, bob chik, my freind bill wilmore,the super heavy guy that got 4th(i think), and a few i cant remember right now. dont get me wrong, phil is big, just not in the huge catagory yet.
Anyone who has seen Phil compete knows it's a different ballgame when he is on stage posing, his conditioning and detail give the illusion he is bigger then he is in street clothes.
Ask Dan Solomon, Dan still owes me two steak dinners over doubting that Heath would win the Colorado and New York Pro. ;)
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uhhhh........
Last time I checked Frank Zane weighed 190 lbs as mr O..... Columbo UNDER 200 as well..... ::)
Last time I checked that was the 70'. Way different criteria for judging now than even 20 years ago let alone 30. Ronnie would been a circus freak back than. The whole body type is judged differently now because of the massive drug regimes. Zane or Franco would have a hard time winning one of the small pro shows today, never mind the O. We will never see another Mr O. under 240. Even that's small for these freaks of today.
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We will never see another Mr O. under 240.
Care to place a bet on this?
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He knocked off Charles at the Colorado and NY shows... and they were close ones with an 11-20 Olympia guy. I'm sure he has improved over the last 8 mths or so...but he needs 2-3 yrs to build quality thick muscle. As noted...it will be a rip off if he wins the Arnold. Should be on the bottom half of the top 6 at the O.
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Phil Narrow... Ok ::)... as in, Flex Wheeler narrow!!
is this pic morphed or real?? if it is real than daaaaaaaaamn
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I cant wait for that show. i might even make the trip from socal to go. But if Victor is on he will win. His width is alot better then phil. But i agree phil is a legitimate threat.
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Delta9mda said
jerry, ive stood next to many pros. im not a big guy so i know what it is like to understand huge.
saw phil at the nats expo and at jerrys deli after the finals on miami beach. seated with him were gustavo, jeramy freeman(THIS GUY WAS HUUUUGE), haney rambod, bob chik, my freind bill wilmore,the super heavy guy that got 4th(i think), and a few i cant remember right now. dont get me wrong, phil is big, just not in the huge catagory yet.
Thanks for clarifying that up bro.
He doesnt have the size yet as to a Cutler or coleman but someday he will!
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Care to place a bet on this?
Lift, weren't you the same dumb fuck that posted a picture of Ronnie in a lame attempt to name drop. While claiming "Ronnie will win"?
Question for you. Who will win Dallas vs Atlanta? For the love of god please don't pick my cowboys. You what we call "reverse luck"
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Hey Lift, when is the phil DVD coming out?
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Lift, weren't you the same dumb f**k that posted a picture of Ronnie in a lame attempt to name drop. While claiming "Ronnie will win"?
Question for you. Who will win Dallas vs Atlanta? For the love of god please don't pick my cowboys. You what we call "reverse luck"
Yeah the same "dumb fuck" who told everyone to watch out for Heath before Jr. Nationals. ::) I still think Ronnie should have won, but hey you're the man in the know and when does posting a picture of Ronnie equate to name dropping?
Romo and your Cowboys will choke, Vic will run all over them and "we" will laugh at chu.
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Phil's DVD will be out in January. We teamed up with a mainstream producer to bring something better then the typical bodybuidler DVD. We're currently finishing up the artwork, trailer and web site to start taking pre-orders.
Peace
LIFT
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Phil's DVD will be out in January. We teamed up with a mainstream producer to bring something better then the typical bodybuidler DVD. We're currently finishing up the artwork, trailer and web site to start taking pre-orders.
Sounds good.
Good luck with the release.
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Yeah the same "dumb f**k" who told everyone to watch out for Heath before Jr. Nationals. ::) I still think Ronnie should have won, but hey you're the man in the know and when does posting a picture of Ronnie equate to name dropping?
Romo and your Cowboys will choke, Vic will run all over them and "we" will laugh at chu.
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Phil's DVD will be out in January. We teamed up with a mainstream producer to bring something better then the typical bodybuidler DVD. We're currently finishing up the artwork, trailer and web site to start taking pre-orders.
Peace
LIFT
thanks you Isaac..like I said...reverse luck
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thanks you Isaac..like I said...reverse luck
No prob, 'tis the season and thought I'd give your 'boys a lil luck. ;)
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Isaac...cant wait for the video to come out!
Since Im a Denver resident, can you give the DVD as an early release?
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Oh, I forgot to add:
"Just say NO to lavender posing suits."
;D
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Isaac...cant wait for the video to come out!
Since Im a Denver resident, can you give the DVD as an early release?
We're looking into having a Denver release party at some place like ESPN Zone, Jackson's Hole, Dave and Busters or some place similar. I'll keep ya posted on the details.
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jackson's hole? WTF is that?
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I think he can upset a lot of the guys and an easy top 6 in the O and might win or 2nd in the ASC
Heath owns!
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he looks like a child next to victor and dexter
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jackson's hole? WTF is that?
Sports bar in Denver. 8)
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Sports bar in Denver. 8)
catchy name
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Phil's Back is 5 years below these guys...He was the same size as Darram and Darram is tiny in comparison with these guys....Why he can't do shit at the olympia....
I've seen the off season pics of Phil and was not impressed at all...Actually looked fat to me...And no improvement in the back...
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I saw him at the O and he looked massive. He looked pretty wide and extra thick. Im sure hes on the right track. Hes dope. I cant wait for the DVD
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so is dave henry...(http://)
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You guys have to remember. He i learning from one of the best, Jay Cutler.
Some of you guys are not taking the Heath seriously
Heath 2007, baby!!!!
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You guys have to remember. He i learning from one of the best, Jay Cutler.
Some of you guys are not taking the Heath seriously
Heath 2007, baby!!!!
Hopefully gut free.