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Look at poor Arnold. Trying to figure Mentzer out. Trying to find his fears and weaknesses.
He looks a bit dissappointed with his findings...
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Look at poor Arnold. Trying to figure Mentzer out. Trying to find his fears and weaknesses.
He looks a bit dissappointed with his findings...
Mentzer is doing what right now??????
Yea though so ::) ::)
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Alex is crying on his pillow...
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Look at poor Arnold. Trying to figure Mentzer out. Trying to find his fears and weaknesses.
He looks a bit dissappointed with his findings...
Naw, he is just saying "whew...i thought I was going to have to worry there for a second. Okay, number 7 is mine for sure."
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Mentzer is doing what right now??????
Yea though so ::) ::)
Mentzer is flashing Arnold one of the best triceps in history.
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Mentzer is flashing Arnold one of the best triceps in history.
Didn't he did dips more than anything else?
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awesome forearms too
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Didn't he did dips more than anything else?
Dips and cable pressdowns.
That was my exact tricep workout yesterday. Pre-exhausted with pressdowns first, textbook form with 8-12 second long reps to failure! Followed immediately by machine dips with the same form!
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Mentzer is dead dead dead ,,,, oh he is so dead,....
Yeah yeah yeah... oh baby Mentzeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeer
Mentzer said he can take Arnold but I say no
figgs is saying he is better than Arnold yet hitting another low
Yeah yea yea
Mentzer is dead dead dead
Yeah yea Yeah.
;D ;D
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Naw, he is just saying "whew...i thought I was going to have to worry there for a second. Okay, number 7 is mine for sure."
hahaha
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mentzer was a midget. mentally as well as physically
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Mentzer is dead dead dead ,,,, oh he is so dead,....
Yeah yeah yeah... oh baby Mentzeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeer
Mentzer said he can take Arnold but I say no
figgs is saying he is better than Arnold yet hitting another low
Yeah yea yea
Mentzer is dead dead dead
Yeah yea Yeah.
;D ;D
One day you're going to die as well.
Good luck singing that on american idol!
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His most visible weakness is his chest and Arnold has the best one and Arnold got to him because after that Mentzer was never the same , you can make a case for Arnold losing in 1980 but that doesn't change a damn thing because Mike was in 5th lol he wasn't going to win even if Arnold never showed , he couldn't close the deal in 1979 against Zane he wasn't going to do it a year later.
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One day you're going to die as well.
Good luck singing that on american idol!
You made me feel real bad now :-\ :-\ Thanks for ruining my so far good day
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His most visible weakness is his chest and Arnold has the best one and Arnold got to him because after that Mentzer was never the same , you can make a case for Arnold losing in 1980 but that doesn't change a damn thing because Mike was in 5th lol he wasn't going to win even if Arnold never showed , he couldn't close the deal in 1979 against Zane he wasn't going to do it a year later.
Agree
woshhhhhhhhhh
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somebody remind me real quick how many times Mentzer won the O?
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mentzer was a midget. mentally as well as physically
The very thought of Mentzer having less than average intelligence isn't even a reasonable idea.
And 5'8 passes for average.
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when joe good wood..arnold got on his knees
metzie said no..
the rest is history..
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The very thought of Mentzer having less than average intelligence isn't even a reasonable idea.
And 5'8 passes for average.
not in my part of the world
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Shouldn't be saying anything bad about Mike Mentzer. The guy was awesome. Im not saying Arnold wasn't but Mike should have done much better in the '80 O. he was a kickass bber whose life got cut short and its too bad that even though hes been gone for so long his physique still gets critiqued because he went up against "arnold".
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Shouldn't be saying anything bad about Mike Mentzer. The guy was awesome. Im not saying Arnold wasn't but Mike should have done much better in the '80 O. he was a kickass bber whose life got cut short and its too bad that even though hes been gone for so long his physique still gets critiqued because he went up against "arnold".
Yeah u are right he was awesome and deffiantly not dumb far from it.
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Shouldn't be saying anything bad about Mike Mentzer. The guy was awesome. Im not saying Arnold wasn't but Mike should have done much better in the '80 O. he was a kickass bber whose life got cut short and its too bad that even though hes been gone for so long his physique still gets critiqued because he went up against "arnold".
You're absolutely right, but then again most of these guys don't know a thing about Mentzer. I mean, he was a "midget intellectually"?
He's done enough exceptional work in bodybuilding to earn legend status and the respect that should come with it.
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Shouldn't be saying anything bad about Mike Mentzer. The guy was awesome. Im not saying Arnold wasn't but Mike should have done much better in the '80 O. he was a kickass bber whose life got cut short and its too bad that even though hes been gone for so long his physique still gets critiqued because he went up against "arnold".
Mike was a great bodybuilder no doubts about it , but even if Arnold never entered the 1980 Menzter wasn't going to win , he had a legitimate shot in 1979 and still lost , NO Arnold , NO excuses .
This is Mike at the 1979 Mr Olympia
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Mentzer was a great bb'er, one of the most complete ever.
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Mike was a great bodybuilder no doubts about it , but even if Arnold never entered the 1980 Menzter wasn't going to win , he had a legitimate shot in 1979 and still lost , NO Arnold , NO excuses .
This is Mike at the 1979 Mr Olympia
that left arm looks crazy.
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Someone called Arnold's bluff and he piped down real quick ! but Arnold accomplished what he wanted getting to Mike and it worked
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Someone called Arnold's bluff and he piped down real quick ! but Arnold accomplished what he wanted getting to Mike and it worked
You think Arnold might have calculated that reaction from Mike? Why? To make Mike look like a madman or something? (There were rumors of Mike at that time regarding ampetamines use I think)
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Someone called Arnold's bluff and he piped down real quick ! but Arnold accomplished what he wanted getting to Mike and it worked
This was Arnolds gift. He manipulated Mentzer until he was finished w/him. Arnold could cower, he could turn his back on Mike, it didnt matter. Mike had already lost the battle and the war.
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You think Arnold might have calculated that reaction from Mike? Why? To make Mike look like a madman or something? (There were rumors of Mike at that time regarding ampetamines use I think)
hahahaha, remember the picture of Mentzer pointing at Arnold in anger while Arnold just sits there and smiles, that was a good one, someone should post it.
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You think Arnold might have calculated that reaction from Mike? Why? To make Mike look like a madman or something? (There were rumors of Mike at that time regarding ampetamines use I think)
Oh, they werent rumours. Mentzer put the AMP in amphetimines..... ::)
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The pictures speak for themselves!
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Oh, they werent rumours. Mentzer put the AMP in amphetimines..... ::)
I read in his final interview that the ampthetamines were prescribed by doctors to help him with the energy crash that accompanies super strict pre-contest diets.
Why doubt that? He was a brutally honest person. And if steroids were being prescribed by doctors, why not ampthetamines?
If Arnold had no legs at that show, Mentzer had no chest. :-X
Discuss.
Not the best pecs, but they're certainly not bad.
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The pictures speak for themselves!
They certainly do! Mentzer clearly has the best mass/conditioning combo! His shape is the pinnacle of contest conditioning!
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Someone called Arnold's bluff and he piped down real quick ! but Arnold accomplished what he wanted getting to Mike and it worked
the funny thing is that Waller probably had a better build than either of them.
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the funny thing is that Waller probably had a better build than either of them.
and could beat both of their asses
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As I posted at this thread :
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=107748.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=107748.0)
I thought that the top three were Mentzer, Arnold & Dickerson with either one being the worthy winner. I really didn't think Zane was that great at the '80 Olympia, though others would disagree. Looked like he hadn't eaten in months, way too thin. This contest, along with the '72 Olympia, is considered to be the worst judging in the history of the sport. Yes, Menzter was atomically screwed but I didn't think that everyone was THAT much better than Arnold that there would be the uproar there was.
SERGIO!!!!
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Mentzer's chest is so dense and full. Makes Arnolds look like a couple of pancakes...*sarcasm*
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Mentzer's chest is so dense and full. Makes Arnolds look like a couple of pancakes...*sarcasm*
lol maybe he skipped every chest workout or used machines hahahahahahah
Looks like Arnold also had something to say. ;)
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Someone called Arnold's bluff and he piped down real quick ! but Arnold accomplished what he wanted getting to Mike and it worked
I would have loved to be there, one of the classic Arnold moments I'm sure of it.
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basically you can't compare anyone to Arnold in this sport, its Arnold. If we walked on stage right now they'd have to give him 1st place because the industry would collapse if they didn't. That fact alone makes me mad. I don't care what anybody says Arnold shouldn't have 7 Sandows.
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basically you can't compare anyone to Arnold in this sport, its Arnold. If we walked on stage right now they'd have to give him 1st place because the industry would collapse if they didn't. That fact alone makes me mad. I don't care what anybody says Arnold shouldn't have 7 Sandows.
You're right! He should have at least 20!
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You're right! He should have at least 20!
I know you love em alex, so do i. but NO.
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Mentzer was incredibly intelligent from what I've seen of him. This is an excellent DVD which displays his great intelligence:
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mikeandraymentzerinthegymdvd.html
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mikeandraymentzerinthegym/128.JPG)
Looks much better here but chest is still lagin bad!
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=113863.0;attach=128357;image)
Where were the video cameras when you REALLY need them. I've only watched The Comeback once and didn't think that much of it, should give it another look soon. It would have been awesome if they captured that exchange on film. I think Boyer had a strong opinion of himself as well, anyone seen Stand Tall ?.
SERGIO!!!!
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Here's some great chest shots.
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Here's some great chest shots.
Sorry I just don't see it.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=113863.0;attach=128357;image)
Where were the video cameras when you REALLY need them. I've only watched The Comeback once and didn't think that much of it, should give it another look soon. It would have been awesome if they captured that exchange on film. I think Boyer had a strong opinion of himself as well, anyone seen Stand Tall ?.
SERGIO!!!!
Holy shit I have not seen this picture before... awesome :D
Arnold had a time in his life with daily rows and fights in beerhalls in Munich... so I wonder who would have kicked ass in a confrontation with Arnold
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=113863.0;attach=128357;image)
Where were the video cameras when you REALLY need them. I've only watched The Comeback once and didn't think that much of it, should give it another look soon. It would have been awesome if they captured that exchange on film. I think Boyer had a strong opinion of himself as well, anyone seen Stand Tall ?.
SERGIO!!!!
Yes! THAT would have been good footage!
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Mentzer got robbed in 1977 at the Universe, in 1979 at the Olympia and 1980 at the Olympia. No wonder he quit.
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Mentzer got robbed in 1977 at the Universe, in 1979 at the Olympia and 1980 at the Olympia. No wonder he quit.
sure ::)
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sure ::)
Don't mind him he has 13 inch arms!
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Don't mind him he has 13 inch arms!
I'm sorry massa, don't hurt me massa, I will do what you say just don't wip me poor ni66er again massa. :-\ :-\
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I'm sorry massa, don't hurt me massa, I will do what you say just don't wip me poor ni66er again massa. :-\ :-\
I meant bigmc..
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=113863.0;attach=128337;image)
I have Arnold first here. Far superior mass, arms, shoulders, chest, and good conditioning. His muscles are big and round, making everyone else look positively flat. None of these guys have great legs, the standard was different then.
2. I've got Zane. Great proportion and conditioning.
3. I've got Mentzer.
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Mentzer is dead dead dead ,,,, oh he is so dead,....
Yeah yeah yeah... oh baby Mentzeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeer
Mentzer said he can take Arnold but I say no
figgs is saying he is better than Arnold yet hitting another low
Yeah yea yea
Mentzer is dead dead dead
Yeah yea Yeah.
;D ;D
You are a complete tool...
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Someone called Arnold's bluff and he piped down real quick ! but Arnold accomplished what he wanted getting to Mike and it worked
This is BS; he didn't get to Mike at all, in fact Boyer Coe was there and verified that Arnold as usual was all talk & backed down because he was known not to be a fighter & had to rely on cronies like Waller, who was nearby. Not that Mentzer deserved to win but the rest is just speculation.
Most of the stuff about Arnold psyching opponents is garbage, but obviously it was worth saying since many still buy it with little proof. ;D
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This was Arnolds gift. He manipulated Mentzer until he was finished w/him. Arnold could cower, he could turn his back on Mike, it didnt matter. Mike had already lost the battle and the war.
You are easily manipulated. There was no proof that Arnold had the upper hand, it's only your willingness to believe it.
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I would have loved to be there, one of the classic Arnold moments I'm sure of it.
Hilarious; on what basis do you make the assumption that he had the upper hand?
Not saying that Mentzer deserved to win but the stuff about psyching him out has no basis, just interpretation of Arnold groupies let's face it.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=113863.0;attach=128337;image)
I have Arnold first here. Far superior mass, arms, shoulders, chest, and good conditioning. His muscles are big and round, making everyone else look positively flat. None of these guys have great legs, the standard was different then.
2. I've got Zane. Great proportion and conditioning.
3. I've got Mentzer.
I agree 100%. I have seen the footage, and IMO, there is little doubt that Arnold was the best on stage.
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Hilarious; on what basis do you make the assumption that he had the upper hand?
What proof do you have to say he didnt?
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What proof do you have to say he didnt?
That's my point genius; i never made the claim the Arnold groupie did in making that silly assumption with no proof. ;) Neither was psyched out, this is more speculation to support Arnold fantasies.
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Oh, ok. Did not see the other post. So yes.... Owned
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Mentzer got robbed in 1977 at the Universe, in 1979 at the Olympia and 1980 at the Olympia. No wonder he quit.
Come on that's very biased; robbed? It was close; Szkalak dominated him on upper body & lost on legs so it wasn't a clear choice either way. Robinson & Padilla were also better than Mentzer.
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basically you can't compare anyone to Arnold in this sport, its Arnold. If we walked on stage right now they'd have to give him 1st place because the industry would collapse if they didn't. That fact alone makes me mad. I don't care what anybody says Arnold shouldn't have 7 Sandows.
He gets it: special treatment for Schwarzenegger, Michael Jordan, Gretzky, etc., as confirmed by Serge Nubret here. Hello, anyone aware of it finally? The naivete on getbig's disappointing. As long as it was close Schwarzenegger was *not* losing, bottom line even with half the crowd booing in Sydney.
All the other stuff here about Schwarzenegger "psyching out" anyone is farcical, just wishful misinterpretations after the fact.
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the funny thing is that Waller probably had a better build than either of them.
Can't agree with that at all; Waller's upper bod was so-so. Shouldn't have even beaten Robinson or Walker in subsequent Universes but was an established Weider boy with seniority.
Basically Arnold, Waller & Columbu all benefitted from Weider "sponsorship", as Nubret so kindly puts it. Anytime it was reasonably close (or not, '81 Olympia) they were gonna win, and did. ;D
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But Pump, wouldn't you agree that all Mr. O's are weider's boys and yet out of all of them, fans like Arnold the best. There is a charisma about him that draws people to him. Haney won 8 but not many people care, Yates was a monster and so was Coleman but in the end Arnold is synonymous with BBing.
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This is BS; he didn't get to Mike at all, in fact Boyer Coe was there and verified that Arnold as usual was all talk & backed down because he was known not to be a fighter & had to rely on cronies like Waller, who was nearby. Not that Mentzer deserved to win but the rest is just speculation.
Most of the stuff about Arnold psyching opponents is garbage, but obviously it was worth saying since many still buy it with little proof. ;D
Arnold had more class than that. That's the same reason he didn't respond to Sergio's request for an impromptu posedown. That always gets brought up as if it means anything. Arnold brought it contest day and that's all that mattered. It's clear to me he did get in the head's of his competitors, otherwise we wouldn't be hearing about all these incidents.
Alex Velickovic was there and said he deserved his placing. If there's no controversy there's nothing to talk about I guess.
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Arnold had more class than that. That's the same reason he didn't respond to Sergio's request for an impromptu posedown. That always gets brought up as if it means anything. Arnold brought it contest day and that's all that mattered. It's clear to me he did get in the head's of his competitors, otherwise we wouldn't be hearing about all these incidents.
Your interpretations are extremely warped: "it's clear to me" becomes fact. Arnold pussying out of a challenge somehow becomes a positive.
How many Arnold posters line your walls currently?
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But Pump, wouldn't you agree that all Mr. O's are weider's boys and yet out of all of them, fans like Arnold the best. There is a charisma about him that draws people to him. Haney won 8 but not many people care, Yates was a monster and so was Coleman but in the end Arnold is synonymous with BBing.
Only a few got the most preferred treatment.
Popularity isn't supposed to make a difference in contests.
The BS about "psyching out" opponents has been repeated so long that various suckers still believe it with little proof other than Schwarzenegger saying it. The problem is that most of the other BBs weren't articulate and never answered that stuff. Just like Arnold's made up story in the movie about his dad dying, when it wasn't true either. ;)
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I have Arnold first here. Far superior mass, arms, shoulders, chest, and good conditioning. His muscles are big and round, making everyone else look positively flat. None of these guys have great legs, the standard was different then.
2. I've got Zane. Great proportion and conditioning.
3. I've got Mentzer.
Arnolds conditioning wasn't good, he never had shoulders or forearms even in his prime let alone the 80 Olympia. His legs were skinny. Coe, Mentzer, Dickerson, etc.. had great legs for the day.
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Mentzer like some other guys (padilla is an example) who chest looked better when it was relaxed, wen he tensed up it lost sum of its impressivness. When relaxed it looked awesome!!
davie
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Mentzer like some other guys (padilla is an example) who chest looked better when it was relaxed, wen he tensed up it lost sum of its impressivness. When relaxed it looked awesome!!
davie
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Awesome shot bro. thats what i mean, he looked immense when it was relaxed, but it lost a bit of its impressivness wen he tensed it up.It still looked good, just not as good as wen it was relaxed.
U not agree?
davie
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Awesome shot bro. thats what i mean, he looked immense when it was relaxed, but it lost a bit of its impressivness wen he tensed it up.It still looked good, just not as good as wen it was relaxed.
U not agree?
davie
It's a decent chest. Not freaky like Arnold's but I would be happy with pecs like that.
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It's a decent chest. Not freaky like Arnold's but I would be happy with pecs like that.
I agree.
Hows the training/log going??
I added an update to ur log.
Im thinking of starting one myself??
davie
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Come on that's very biased; robbed? It was close; Szkalak dominated him on upper body & lost on legs so it wasn't a clear choice either way. Robinson & Padilla were also better than Mentzer.
Come on Pumpster, Kal didn't dominate Mentzer on upper body but Mentzer totally dominated Kal on legs. Mentzer was way ahead on prejuding but the crowd swayed the judges during the posedown.
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Come on Pumpster, Kal didn't dominate Mentzer on upper body but Mentzer totally dominated Kal on legs. Mentzer was way ahead on prejuding but the crowd swayed the judges during the posedown.
No it was close. Szkalak had the dominant upper body.
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Look at Zane's arms compared to Mentzer's. They look small.
And? Same differential standing next to Robinson or Padilla. Didn't matter with good conditioning and politics on his side.
BTW you can see from that shot that Mentzer was not in top condition compared with Zane & Dickerson, evident in the quads.