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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Stark on December 27, 2006, 03:02:39 AM
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Let's assume that you want to open a gym. You take a look around and feel that in the city (large city) you life there are already enough "wellness centers" "fitness temples" and so forth.
Do you think a "hardcore" gym mainly for the serious lifters has any chance of survival?
I'm talking about a gym were a sign at the entry informs people to beware of Meatheads with Roidrage? A place were most getbiggers would fit right in a place were 24 would stand out like a sore tooth.
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they would have a chance you spelt "Harcore" correctly
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they would have a chance you spelt "Harcore" correctly
Ok... thanks Captain Nitpicker
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If its located in a big city, it will most likely survive. You will most likely not earn the jackpot, but thats probably not what you are after. I would love to have a real hardcore gym in the future, with the size of a regular golds gym.
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it'll survive no problem anywhere...i bumpe3d into plenty of examples
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The "Location" would have to be spot on. But I think that one could survive. 8) 8)
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Nowadays is very difficult to train in a non-hardcore gym,bacause people are gayer than ever. Gyms now are changing their courses to the fitness and gay area. But I think that there will always be hardcore gyms, because there will always be people who wnat to train serioulsly.
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I seen a truly hardcore gym in central Florida once that was for competing powerlifters and serious
bodybuilders only...The guys rates were outrageous, but pre-opening he only let a certain number of guys
join the club and that was it and all those guys had to sign an agreement that they would compete in a
powerlifting/bodybuilding competition withing 1-year's time and have the gym sponsor them at whatever
competition they chose to do....Needless to say when the gym first opened he was turning guys down left
& right wanting memberships at his gym...A few months later his gym went down the tubes not being able
to afford his lease....Go figure...If your not in it for the money, than yes a truly hardcore gym can make
it, but barely and if you have good financial backing...
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what's the difference if it's hardcore or not? what's hardcore anyway? f@@king phlegm globbers on the wall, a non-functioning toilet filled with some fat powerlifter's protein dumps, old ass vintage 1980's weight systems all rusted to hell? that's the last place i'd like to give my money too---my gym is far from that but they don't stop me from doing deads, squats, grunting--shit like that..they even have dumbbells that go up to 150lbs...does that make it hardcore? you dudes kill me...
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dont think any gym opened by 'stark' would survive
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what's the difference if it's hardcore or not? what's hardcore anyway? f@@king phlegm globbers on the wall, a non-functioning toilet filled with some fat powerlifter's protein dumps, old ass vintage 1980's weight systems all rusted to hell? that's the last place i'd like to give my money too---my gym is far from that but they don't stop me from doing deads, squats, grunting--shit like that..they even have dumbbells that go up to 150lbs...does that make it hardcore? you dudes kill me...
You need to fuck of to bb.com bro.
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dont think any gym opened by 'stark' would survive
What's with the baseless attack?
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You need to f**k of to bb.com bro.
impressive rebuttal there stark...
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impressive rebuttal there stark...
I was serious I just curse a lot and forgot to attach the Mr Serious smilie.
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I was serious I just curse a lot and forgot to attach the Mr Serious smilie.
i'm still trying to figure out what constitutes hardcore....enlighten someone who lifts in the so called ''gay'' gym establishment.
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i'm still trying to figure out what constitutes hardcore....enlighten someone who lifts in the so called ''gay'' gym establishment.
Rusty dumbbells and mandatory test injections in the changing rooms that haven't been cleaned since 1842 :D
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Rusty dumbbells and mandatory test injections in the changing rooms that haven't been cleaned since 1842 :D
don't forget the dbol vinny and deca vending machine ;)
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Let's assume that you want to open a gym. You take a look around and feel that in the city (large city) you life there are already enough "wellness centers" "fitness temples" and so forth.
Do you think a "hardcore" gym mainly for the serious lifters has any chance of survival?
I'm talking about a gym were a sign at the entry informs people to beware of Meatheads with Roidrage? A place were most getbiggers would fit right in a place were 24 would stand out like a sore tooth.
No, they truly don't have a chance for survival, not enough meatheads in any city other than the huge ones, normal size town, no way. You have to cater to the women and couples to survive.
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One more thing a hardcore gym is gonna bring, undercover narcs. I worked out at a gym before i opened mine, it became known you could score juice there. FBI busted in with masks and guns, everyone on floor, searched every gym bag , found roids in owners office, loaded the entire gym up in two semi-s that day, all the equipment and even the carpet, he only got probation but never got his equipment back.
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One more thing a hardcore gym is gonna bring, undercover narcs. I worked out at a gym before i opened mine, it became known you could score juice there. FBI busted in with masks and guns, everyone on floor, searched every gym bag , found roids in owners office, loaded the entire gym up in two semi-s that day, all the equipment and even the carpet, he only got probation but never got his equipment back.
oh yeah..forgot...another reason why I should lift in a place like that...nothing more hardcore than squat day at the state penetentiary.
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You need to f**k of to bb.com bro.
you might want him to go to BB.com.....but hes pretty much right! what constitutes "hardcore". you can open a gym that has a "hardcore" edge, but the end all be all will be the $$$$$ that needs to come in to pay the bills. $6-$8000 in rent alone, plus power, equipment leases, employee salary, advertising......these are monthly bills that dont go away. start doing the math....youll be supprised to see how many people you need to have join in order to keep your doors open.
the days of the hardcore gym are gone.....we must face it. you can be as hardcore as you want, but the soccer moms are the ones that are gonna keep the food on your table.
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Fuck working out in dungy old ass, asbestos filled basements with burly musclebears ...... i rather work out in a state of the art facility with hot bitches !!
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right where I used to live there was a hardcore gym called "muscles" and about 1/2 mile away they opened a powerhouse "fitness center". dB's only up to 100lbs, "Powerhouse TV" on all the time, TV's everywhere. That was about 5 years ago. I was in the old neighborhood over the weekend and muscles was packed..powerhouse, not so much.
there's another hardcore gym in my area, I go there every once in awhile, I work on the other side of town so it's a little out of my way to go there-I train at a powerhouse by my work....anyway the hardcore place by my house is always packed. Lots of cools stuff there, I'd love to train there fulltime. They've got 2 powerlifting teams you can join, karate class, boxing class, dumbells up to 130's, hammer strength machines, some old nautilus machines, tons of free weights, 4 or 5 power racks, a bunch of "old school" machines and a portion of the gym is outside in a "pit" like muscle beach..they even call it "muscle beach" it's cool as hell to workout there in the summer.
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im thinking in maybe someday open one near me...
lots of tvs with porno on it, just Opeth and Meshuggah playing out loud, dumbells up to 400lbs (just to create the gossip of 'i heared that there is one guy in the morning that train with that' lol'). Straps, belts, chalk, gloves all for FREE to use, and of course, a giant fridge with all the test, gh, winstrol, nubain, etc you can have!
just with posters of Ahnold on the walls, and some of Vida Guerra naked!!!
all girls train for free, but they have to train in bikinis!!!!!
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im thinking in maybe someday open one near me...
lots of tvs with porno on it, just Opeth and Meshuggah playing out loud, dumbells up to 400lbs (just to create the gossip of 'i heared that there is one guy in the morning that train with that' lol'). Straps, belts, chalk, gloves all for FREE to use, and of course, a giant fridge with all the test, gh, winstrol, nubain, etc you can have!
just with posters of Ahnold on the walls, and some of Vida Guerra naked!!!
all girls train for free, but they have to train in bikinis!!!!!
say what?
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i have a gym that me and 10 of my boys own,, we got a small, shitty old warehouse and only pay 300 a month for rent,, we got nothing but heavy freeweights and basic equipment. one guy is a welder so we made a lot of stuff,, so that was cheap for us, its really cheap and easy to make heavy dumbbells- that look good too,, and rent is easy to pay. we each have a key so its very private,, no cardio,,no fitness balls,, heavy metal being blasted,, weights dropping,, guys screaming. sure as hell better than ballys
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What's with the baseless attack?
well for one thing you're a nazi, so a gym that just accept whites as members with the decreasing number of white people in the world would not survive
and then you wont accept homosexuals, lesbians etc which would limit it even further
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im thinking in maybe someday open one near me...
lots of tvs with porno on it, just Opeth and Meshuggah playing out loud, dumbells up to 400lbs (just to create the gossip of 'i heared that there is one guy in the morning that train with that' lol'). Straps, belts, chalk, gloves all for FREE to use, and of course, a giant fridge with all the test, gh, winstrol, nubain, etc you can have!
just with posters of Ahnold on the walls, and some of Vida Guerra naked!!!
all girls train for free, but they have to train in bikinis!!!!!
hahaha, awesome!
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Nowadays is very difficult to train in a non-hardcore gym,bacause people are gayer than ever. Gyms now are changing their courses to the fitness and gay area. But I think that there will always be hardcore gyms, because there will always be people who wnat to train serioulsly.
lol....good post. but it's hard to find a hardcore gym these days, unless somebody tells you about one. there is a local ymca I used to know, it was the most hardcore in the city. we had dumbells up to 180lbs and membership was like $45 every 3 months. The most hilarious about that dungeon was that there was a sign in the weight room right in front of the door that says "rerack your weights, Remember, your mother doesn't work here" I miss that place when I left the city. but , like I said, it's hard to find those dungeon unless some body tells you
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well for one thing you're a nazi, so a gym that just accept whites as members with the decreasing number of white people in the world would not survive
and then you wont accept homosexuals, lesbians etc which would limit it even further
hahahaha how come "we" are decreasing? "We" make sure as hell that we "controll" the population in the middle east :D ... and let me assure you... the numbers are going down... those towelheads down there cannot f**k fast enough the way "we" kill them down there.
And were do you get the shit that I'm a Nazi? I might have some strong views on some people on this planet, but seriously dude read up on the term Nazi, I might be a racist but I'm sure as hell no Nazi.
And as far as fags and lesbian ::) I think I have said it a million times to you, I don't give a shit what anybody is doing in his free time (especially how and when they fuck) as long as my gym does not have to "play" with the standart fucked up PC rules of this world (as in an extra fag chaniging room, or mirrors in the urinals so they can spy on other members dick) I couldnt care less if they join up or not... if you mean with fags Derek Anthony, that's a whole different shoe all together... since I don't support male or female prostitution in my gym... YES I have to say Derek Anthony would not be allowed to join up. ;D ;D
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what's the difference if it's hardcore or not? what's hardcore anyway? f@@king phlegm globbers on the wall, a non-functioning toilet filled with some fat powerlifter's protein dumps, old ass vintage 1980's weight systems all rusted to hell? that's the last place i'd like to give my money too---my gym is far from that but they don't stop me from doing deads, squats, grunting--shit like that..they even have dumbbells that go up to 150lbs...does that make it hardcore? you dudes kill me...
I guess hardcore has to do more with the environment rather than the equipment. I know a bally's in Florida where the weight room is more hardcore than most gold's gym I've seen. the guys that goes there push some serious ass weights and management upgrade lots of equipment there because of those guys and I heard membership went sky high by word of mouth. It's the only bally's so far I've seen with 170lbs dumbells, and they have a small area for the ladies who want to use the free weights also.
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What i think would be better is if you opened up a gym that is like most fitness gyms but you had a seperate room for hardcores and that room has different rules. If the guys in the "hardcore" room need to do cardio or something they can use the rest of the gym but they must follow the rules to that room. So you could have the best of both worlds.
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I would love to see all these "hardcore gyms" if there were no drugs. Nothing hardcore about taking shots in the ass, sorry. It's great if you do, but not really "hardcore".
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I would love to see all these "hardcore gyms" if there were no drugs. Nothing hardcore about taking shots in the ass, sorry. It's great if you do, but not really "hardcore".
whats it like being the only person on earth to not only be natural but also hardcore? must be an amazing feeling, do you give out a lot of autographs?
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I would love to see all these "hardcore gyms" if there were no drugs. Nothing hardcore about taking shots in the ass, sorry. It's great if you do, but not really "hardcore".
thats like a rave party without ex or glow sticks....
or a porn with no nudity....
or a greg valentino post WITH NO CAPS....
or a Croatch post without some comment in regard to fake tits or steroids....
IN OTHER WORDS.....
impossible....
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I would love to see all these "hardcore gyms" if there were no drugs. Nothing hardcore about taking shots in the ass, sorry. It's great if you do, but not really "hardcore".
That's the problem. A hardcore gym implies a lot of steroid users. Eventually, the place will come under police scrutiny. The rewards aren't worth the risks.
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i have a gym that me and 10 of my boys own,, we got a small, shitty old warehouse and only pay 300 a month for rent,, we got nothing but heavy freeweights and basic equipment. one guy is a welder so we made a lot of stuff,, so that was cheap for us, its really cheap and easy to make heavy dumbbells- that look good too,, and rent is easy to pay. we each have a key so its very private,, no cardio,,no fitness balls,, heavy metal being blasted,, weights dropping,, guys screaming. sure as hell better than ballys
Your lucky bro.
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YES, I would beleive so. In my hometown in Norway(250.000 ppl) there are at least
2 "hardcore" gyms. But it depends what you define as hardcore. People are expecting
some standards. Decent wardrobe facilities, showers etc. etc.
So basement gym like Dorians Temple Gym would be hard to manage I think, unless
youre Dorian or someone like that.
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I think the hardcore training gyms can survive but the law of the land these days is that gyms have to somehow appeal to everyone. The gym I go to is a local chain here in town but it still has some "hardcore" to it by isolating the power racks, smith machines, dumbbells, and so on off to the side for the bodybuilders and powerlifters. But with the pure hardcore gyms its hard for a lot of soccer moms, track and fielders, and so on to fit in. Have to have a balance somehow. Doesnt mean I dont sneak down to the "hardcore" gym every once in a while to get refocused and train hard. Different atmosphere altogether.
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Absolutely no chance of survival. With commercial rent spaces costing an arm and a leg, lots of members who come in all the time, beat the snot out of the equipment, and don't pay, or can't pay.
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I guess hardcore has to do more with the environment rather than the equipment. I know a bally's in Florida where the weight room is more hardcore than most gold's gym I've seen. the guys that goes there push some serious ass weights and management upgrade lots of equipment there because of those guys and I heard membership went sky high by word of mouth. It's the only bally's so far I've seen with 170lbs dumbells, and they have a small area for the ladies who want to use the free weights also.
Cool!! The heaviest dumbbells I've ever seen at a Bally Total Fitness center has been 140s. The one where I train now goes up to 105s. But, it's those blasted rubber-coated Ivanko ones.
The environment where I train is great, too. Some local-level bodybuilders train there. The equipment is better; nearly all of the benches and all of the squat racks are bolted to the floor. There's more than enough stuff there to get it done.
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Do a test on the demographics, see what other gyms in the area have.load the place with heavy free weights and assortment of Hammer Press equipment,loud heavy music blaring, no aerobics or sissy classes.
Make it 24/7 365 days a year and call it "Hardcore Metal"also an idea i got on the board 50% percent of gym dues if you can bench 500, 25% if yuo can lift 400 pound bench.
But make it very clear no steroids in the gym.Keep tham at home.
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There is a "hardcore" gym near to me that my cousin joined and invited me too. For me the novelty wore off the minute they didn't have a stack of towels at the front desk. The equipment as someone stated was the 80s, there was nothing new there. The bathroom was disgusting and would give anyone nightmares.
Suffice it to say I never went back. I work out at one of the largest NYSC in NY (belt pkwy in Brooklyn). New equipment and lots of them. Clean bathroom and lots of cardio bitches in skimpy clothes. I work out at 6am so usually I have every weight and machine to myself.
Guys, there is nothing wrong with having a TV on every cardio machine. Why should I deprieve myself just to feel hardcore?
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In order to be financially viable it helps to have members who spend money on extras such as personal training, protein shakes etc. (It also helps to have members who are so busy in their jobs that they hardly find the time to show up, despite paying the full annual fee...)
The following gyms are examples that are different from each other, but have in common that plenty of hardcore trainers work out there (amateur and professional bodybuilders). They still manage to be reasonably clean and friendly enough to attract normal members who are serious about working out without being bodybuilders (people who use the gym to help them in other sports etc.).
http://www.muscleworksgym.co.uk/
http://www.bodylimitgym.co.uk/
http://www.fitness1.ch/
If you design the gym intelligently (enough space between machines, good lighting etc), keep the place clean but don't waste money or space on unnecessary luxuries you can find the right mix.
In the end, hardcore trainers are looking for good equipment, plenty of weights and enough space to train without having to wait or get people into their way. They are not looking for dirty changing rooms, bad heating or unfriendly staff... (hardcore trainers might be more tolerant than others, but all else being equal everybody prefers not to have to chase away rats while training...)
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Does chasing away the rats count as cardio at these hardcore gyms?
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Let's assume that you want to open a gym. You take a look around and feel that in the city (large city) you life there are already enough "wellness centers" "fitness temples" and so forth.
Do you think a "hardcore" gym mainly for the serious lifters has any chance of survival?
I'm talking about a gym were a sign at the entry informs people to beware of Meatheads with Roidrage? A place were most getbiggers would fit right in a place were 24 would stand out like a sore tooth.
Absolutely not. Not at this day and age. A good gym needs to accomadate everyone from beginners, novice, intermidiate and professional athletes. Bodybuilders are far and few. A gym simply would not survive on them alone. The trick is to have a good gym manager that knows the business, a good juice/supplement bar, good personal trainers, and has on or two people working for him that can set proper examples such as putting dumbbells away, taking plates off machines when done, etc. This way when a newbie joins, they can learn properly from the start. Not like a lot of stupidity that you see in some of todays gyms.
PB
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Sorry, their a thing of the past. If they weren't, than the fitness centers wouldn't be on the rise while the old hardcore gym just doesn't make money and they change or close >:(. It's the place for me, but I'm in the minority. 10 years ago they were all hardcore, today it just doesn't make the bottom line.