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Title: OK PEOPLE THIS IS HOW IT IS DONE!!!
Post by: alexxx on December 30, 2006, 01:43:23 PM
My arm workout on friday at Pro Gym!

Close grip bench 135x12 185x12 205x9 225x4 225x4
reverse grip bench 135x12 185x10 195x8 205x5 215x4
seated overhead extensions with bar 55x15 70x12 80x11 90x8 100x6
dips bwx15 20x12 40x7 x6 x6
one arm cable extension 20x20 25x15 30x15 35x12
barbell curls 40x15 75x12 135x7 145x4 x3
preacher ez bar curls 60x15 80x12 100x9 120x5 x4
seated alternate dumbell curls 40x12 x11 x10 x10 x10
standing front concentration curls 25x14 30x8 25x12 x11 x10
barbell wrist curls 60x23 70x15 80x9 90x7 100x5
reverse wrist curls 25x25 40x10 x8 x6 x5
seated knee ups x35 x35 x35 x35
Calves where worked nonstop for 5 minutes on the seated calf raise going from 45 to 140 pounds and back down again.

This is a typical training day for me. So all you little suckers who keep on complaining about training hard you really don't know anything.

This is just the beginning week of my new schedule so the weights will be moving up fast!

Ams where pumped to the max and I didn't have a decent weight belt for dips so I used dumbell and held them together with my feet!
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Post by: ToxicAvenger on December 30, 2006, 01:48:31 PM
its talking to itself now...
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Post by: Bluto on December 30, 2006, 01:51:56 PM
you sure thats enough volume alexxx?
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Post by: haider on December 30, 2006, 01:53:16 PM
This is the stuff champions are made from  8) Some awesome volume u got goin there, Alexxx.
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Post by: MisterMagoo on December 30, 2006, 01:58:46 PM
that's some ridiculous volume consider it's just biceps and triceps, but if it's working for you keep it up.
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Post by: Devon97 on December 30, 2006, 01:59:59 PM
Alexxx, If I trained you your body would make awesome improvements
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Post by: alexxx on December 30, 2006, 02:14:07 PM
you sure thats enough volume alexxx?

I didn't have time for cardio. :(
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Post by: alexxx on December 30, 2006, 02:17:31 PM
This is the stuff champions are made from  8) Some awesome volume u got goin there, Alexxx.

Yes! I love the challenge involved of always progressin with so much volume and little rest.
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Post by: ronrico on December 30, 2006, 02:24:59 PM
It's all about you big man.
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Post by: beatmaster on December 30, 2006, 02:33:32 PM

alexxx, pro gym now?
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Post by: pinchharmonic on December 30, 2006, 02:34:44 PM
My arm workout on friday at Pro Gym!

Close grip bench 135x12 185x12 205x9 225x4 225x4
reverse grip bench 135x12 185x10 195x8 205x5 215x4
seated overhead extensions with bar 55x15 70x12 80x11 90x8 100x6
dips bwx15 20x12 40x7 x6 x6
one arm cable extension 20x20 25x15 30x15 35x12
barbell curls 40x15 75x12 135x7 145x4 x3
preacher ez bar curls 60x15 80x12 100x9 120x5 x4
seated alternate dumbell curls 40x12 x11 x10 x10 x10
standing front concentration curls 25x14 30x8 25x12 x11 x10
barbell wrist curls 60x23 70x15 80x9 90x7 100x5
reverse wrist curls 25x25 40x10 x8 x6 x5
seated knee ups x35 x35 x35 x35
Calves where worked nonstop for 5 minutes on the seated calf raise going from 45 to 140 pounds and back down again.

This is a typical training day for me. So all you little suckers who keep on complaining about training hard you really don't know anything.

This is just the beginning week of my new schedule so the weights will be moving up fast!

Ams where pumped to the max and I didn't have a decent weight belt for dips so I used dumbell and held them together with my feet!

that's pretty good. funny, i do the exact same thing with 2 more reps and 10 more lbs on everything.
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Post by: alexxx on December 30, 2006, 02:35:01 PM
alexxx, pro gym now?

No I only went there yesterday because someone gave me a pass. You train there?
Title: Re: OK PEOPLE THIS IS HOW IT IS DONE!!!
Post by: alexxx on December 30, 2006, 02:43:48 PM
that's pretty good. funny, i do the exact same thing with 2 more reps and 10 more lbs on everything.

Is that so?
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Post by: Farcry on December 30, 2006, 02:58:15 PM
that is alot of volume, but if it works go for it, i like to have tris and bis on different days
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Post by: TheAnimal on December 30, 2006, 03:01:52 PM
Do you train quadriceps with equal volume?
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Post by: alexxx on December 30, 2006, 03:08:21 PM
Do you train quadriceps with equal volume?

Eventually I will work back up to it but They are still sore from last workout which was 15 sets or so.
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Post by: The Squadfather on December 30, 2006, 03:47:07 PM
225 for 4 on close grips!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my God, what a beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: beatmaster on December 30, 2006, 03:49:53 PM
No I only went there yesterday because someone gave me a pass. You train there?

no i don't, i don't like the place!!!
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Post by: Stark on December 30, 2006, 04:20:32 PM
Your going to overtrain Alexxx
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Post by: ManBearPig... on December 30, 2006, 04:53:40 PM
Your going to overtrain Alexxx

no he won't.

i'd watch those joints though.
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Post by: The Squadfather on December 30, 2006, 04:57:45 PM
Your going to overtrain Alexxx
not with those light weights he won't.
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Post by: MisterMagoo on December 30, 2006, 04:59:56 PM
Eventually I will work back up to it but They are still sore from last workout which was 15 sets or so.

24 fucking sets for triceps and 15 for quads. good work.
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Post by: The Squadfather on December 30, 2006, 05:00:43 PM
24 fucking sets for triceps and 15 for quads. good work.
sounds like most guys workouts, hahahaha.
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Post by: MisterMagoo on December 30, 2006, 05:06:45 PM
sounds like most guys workouts, hahahaha.

and he said he doesn't squat or deadlift. i can just imagine him doing sets of dumbbell lunges and leg extensions to get to that massive volume, probably supersetted.
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Post by: timfogarty on December 30, 2006, 05:08:10 PM
do fewer exercises, but more sets at the heavy weights
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Post by: figgs on December 30, 2006, 05:14:14 PM
Are you tracking your progress by how many sets you can endure or how much bigger your muscles get?
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Post by: ether on December 30, 2006, 05:19:47 PM
Holy shiat, how long was that workout?

If you are not bullshitting, 2 or 3 hours minimum, working at a relatively quick pace.

Maybe you should cut the sets down and consider getting a job?
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Post by: Board_SHERIF on December 30, 2006, 05:23:17 PM
My arm workout on friday at Pro Gym!

Close grip bench 135x12 185x12 205x9 225x4 225x4
reverse grip bench 135x12 185x10 195x8 205x5 215x4
seated overhead extensions with bar 55x15 70x12 80x11 90x8 100x6
dips bwx15 20x12 40x7 x6 x6
one arm cable extension 20x20 25x15 30x15 35x12
barbell curls 40x15 75x12 135x7 145x4 x3
preacher ez bar curls 60x15 80x12 100x9 120x5 x4
seated alternate dumbell curls 40x12 x11 x10 x10 x10
standing front concentration curls 25x14 30x8 25x12 x11 x10
barbell wrist curls 60x23 70x15 80x9 90x7 100x5
reverse wrist curls 25x25 40x10 x8 x6 x5
seated knee ups x35 x35 x35 x35
Calves where worked nonstop for 5 minutes on the seated calf raise going from 45 to 140 pounds and back down again.

This is a typical training day for me. So all you little suckers who keep on complaining about training hard you really don't know anything.

This is just the beginning week of my new schedule so the weights will be moving up fast!

Ams where pumped to the max and I didn't have a decent weight belt for dips so I used dumbell and held them together with my feet!

How long did this workout take ? that is the key  - the time a workout takes...
Title: Re: OK PEOPLE THIS IS HOW IT IS DONE!!!
Post by: alexxx on December 30, 2006, 05:43:04 PM
My workouts take me 2 hours. I know 225 is pretty low right now and I have done it for 10-12 reps close grip before. I also maxed out at 275 for close grip. Do not worry sarcasm I would burry you in the gym!

My quad workout was 5 sets of squats 5 sets of front squats and 5 sets of leg extensions. My quads really do not need too much work right now but I am going to up the volume to 20 sets. Maybe all squats.
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Post by: War-Horse on December 30, 2006, 05:54:20 PM
King Alexxx has the same thinking as a little known austrian named arnold shwarzeneggereeeerrrr.   Alexxx will have victory and we will be glad we knew him. 8)
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Post by: Palpatine Q on December 30, 2006, 05:57:29 PM
My arm workout on friday at Pro Gym!

Close grip bench 135x12 185x12 205x9 225x4 225x4
reverse grip bench 135x12 185x10 195x8 205x5 215x4
seated overhead extensions with bar 55x15 70x12 80x11 90x8 100x6
dips bwx15 20x12 40x7 x6 x6
one arm cable extension 20x20 25x15 30x15 35x12
barbell curls 40x15 75x12 135x7 145x4 x3
preacher ez bar curls 60x15 80x12 100x9 120x5 x4
seated alternate dumbell curls 40x12 x11 x10 x10 x10
standing front concentration curls 25x14 30x8 25x12 x11 x10
barbell wrist curls 60x23 70x15 80x9 90x7 100x5
reverse wrist curls 25x25 40x10 x8 x6 x5
seated knee ups x35 x35 x35 x35
Calves where worked nonstop for 5 minutes on the seated calf raise going from 45 to 140 pounds and back down again.

This is a typical training day for me. So all you little suckers who keep on complaining about training hard you really don't know anything.

This is just the beginning week of my new schedule so the weights will be moving up fast!

Ams where pumped to the max and I didn't have a decent weight belt for dips so I used dumbell and held them together with my feet!

Do your close grips on a decline and your arms will explode. My arms went from 18 to 19.5 when I started doing them that way, no shit.
Title: Re: OK PEOPLE THIS IS HOW IT IS DONE!!!
Post by: alexxx on December 30, 2006, 06:06:12 PM
King Alexxx has the same thinking as a little known austrian named arnold shwarzeneggereeeerrrr.   Alexxx will have victory and we will be glad we knew him. 8)

Thanks big guy!

Do your close grips on a decline and your arms will explode. My arms went from 18 to 19.5 when I started doing them that way, no shit.

Cool I will try that out thanks!
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Post by: gh15 on December 31, 2006, 05:10:42 AM
Do your close grips on a decline and your arms will explode. My arms went from 18 to 19.5 when I started doing them that way, no shit.


did they go from 18 to 19.5 or to 20?? ;) good lord my friends,,,good lord,,,even on hormones your arms dont go that fast 1.5 inches,,do you know what 1.5 inches of muscle is??

i LOVE to read this board
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Post by: slaveboy1980 on December 31, 2006, 05:21:09 AM
what volume would you recommend for a natural gh15?
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Post by: SteelePegasus on December 31, 2006, 05:31:31 AM
Do your close grips on a decline and your arms will explode. My arms went from 18 to 19.5 when I started doing them that way, no shit.

let me guess..it only took you 21 days?

lol, you should package it and sell it on TV
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Post by: Devon97 on December 31, 2006, 05:55:28 AM
Why the SAM HILL dont u do Deads?
Are you specifically trying to NOT get bigger?

WHAT is your POST workout shake consist of?
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Post by: alexxx on December 31, 2006, 07:28:28 AM
Groink is one of the biggest members on this site. He knows his stuff.
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Post by: slaveboy1980 on December 31, 2006, 07:30:02 AM
alexxx..what weights do you use in the squat?
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Post by: alexxx on December 31, 2006, 07:36:52 AM
alexxx..what weights do you use in the squat?

250 8)
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Post by: Wiggs on December 31, 2006, 07:48:21 AM
Alex, I'm impressed from what you came from to where you are now. Keep up the good work.
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Post by: slaveboy1980 on December 31, 2006, 07:49:24 AM
250 8)


you got good legs for your relative strength.
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Post by: alexxx on December 31, 2006, 07:49:34 AM
Alex, I'm impressed from what you came from to where you are now. Keep up the good work.

Thank you buddy.
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Post by: slaveboy1980 on December 31, 2006, 07:50:37 AM
 do you do a 5 split high volume routine? with one body part per session...legs,chest,back,shoulders,arms?
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Post by: alexxx on December 31, 2006, 07:50:58 AM

you got good legs for your relative strength.

Thanks but that is only my first squat workout in a long time. Most I have done full range was 335.
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Post by: Your MAAAAaaaa on December 31, 2006, 07:52:49 AM
24 fucking sets for triceps and 15 for quads. good work.

typical fag boy routine.

does this fag still leave out squats and deads like he used to.


more sets for tri's is the way the pro's do it im sure


ta ta
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Post by: alexxx on December 31, 2006, 07:53:03 AM
do you do a 5 split high volume routine? with one body part per session...legs,chest,back,shoulders,arms?

Exactly! With legs being in the middle so that I will have time to recover and hit shoulders hard. It's only the first week of that split but I feel like I am getting bigger everytime I take a while to recover.
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Post by: slaveboy1980 on December 31, 2006, 08:01:33 AM
it can work well...but make sure to have high volume each training session and stop 1-2 reps before failure..and do 6-12 reps..with reps around 8mostly, dont rest alot between sets.. do this for 8 weeks..then do a light week..then 3 weeks (with mostly basic exercises ) of low reps where you really try to push the poundages up..then take one week off (or very light week) then go back to high volume to use your new strength. etc.

remember tho if you put legs in the middel of the week shoulder or arm workout can come to close to chest workout....(when using 5 day split)

when you use such an extreme body part split..volume must be high per body part..and failure training mostly avoided.

also a good advice is to split leg session in two:..do quads by themselves (with calves)...and do hamstrings on shoulder day.
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Post by: SteelePegasus on December 31, 2006, 08:01:47 AM
Alexxx when did you start the prohormones?
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Post by: alexxx on December 31, 2006, 08:03:42 AM
it can work well...but make sure to have high volume each training session and stop 1-2 reps before failure..and do 6-12 reps..with reps around 8mostly, dont rest alot between sets.. do this for 8 weeks..then do a light week..then 3 weeks (with mostly basic exercises ) of low reps where you really try to push the poundages up..then take one week off (or very light week) then go back to high volume to use your new strength. etc.

remember tho if you put legs in the middel of the week shoulder or arm workout can come to close to chest workout....(when using 5 day split)

That's an interesting variation which I might use. For now I go to failure on all work sets. I take the weekend off now so that gives me plenty of time to recoup.
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Post by: alexxx on December 31, 2006, 08:04:13 AM
Alexxx when did you start the prohormones?

2010
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Post by: slaveboy1980 on December 31, 2006, 08:06:23 AM
That's an interesting variation which I might use. For now I go to failure on all work sets. I take the weekend off now so that gives me plenty of time to recoup.

ok i dont think you will last long on such high volume and failure training.....i think such a split can be good if failure is avoided and  volume is kept high.

also regarding 5 split: i recommend this

quads, chest, back, rest, shoulders+hams, arms, rest, legs etc...
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Post by: alexxx on December 31, 2006, 08:09:56 AM
ok i dont think you will last long on such high volume and failure training.....i think such a split can be good if failure is avoided and  volume is kept high.

also regarding 5 split: i recommend this

quads, chest, back, rest, shoulders+hams, arms, rest, legs etc...

I may try that someday but for now I feel like this split is working.
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Post by: slaveboy1980 on December 31, 2006, 08:14:57 AM
good, dont be afraid of volume, focus on each muscle group and really pump it with volume..thats the good thing with such a bodypart split..you can overload the muscle with alot of volume and pump. blood volume baby, blood volume and focused energy. i been doing the split i wrote in the other post for last few weeks it has worked well, but you have to make changes every couple of months.

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Post by: alexxx on December 31, 2006, 08:20:30 AM
good, dont be afraid of volume, focus on each muscle group and really pump it with volume..thats the good thing with such a bodypart split..you can overload the muscle with alot of volume and pump. blood volume baby, blood volume and focused energy. i been doing the split i wrote in the other post for last few weeks it has worked well, but you have to make changes every couple of months.



Yeah I noticed ever since I picked up the pace, I have been getting these killer pumps. :)
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Post by: IFBBwannaB on December 31, 2006, 08:25:45 AM
Pussy weights and pussy reps,its sucks being you Fagexxx
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Post by: slaveboy1980 on December 31, 2006, 08:26:14 AM
Yeah I noticed ever since I picked up the pace, I have been getting these killer pumps. :)

good imagine the body part your training big as a mountain..and pump the up volume keep it  high 20-25 sets..do like sergio and arnold did real high volume..altho in my opinion you should avoid failure and doing muscle groups 2-3 times a week with such volume (so once a week with such high volume is enough, as you do now). working body parts can be done 2-3 times a week but volume must be lowered then of course.
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Post by: davie on December 31, 2006, 08:27:12 AM
Do your close grips on a decline and your arms will explode. My arms went from 18 to 19.5 when I started doing them that way, no shit.

I dont doubt what  groink said, i am just curious as to what difference these make to how the exercise effects ur triceps?? I am willing to try it though!!

davie
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Post by: alexxx on December 31, 2006, 08:28:30 AM
good imagine the body part your training big as a mountain..and pump the up volume keep it  high 20-25 sets..do like sergio and arnold did real high volume..altho in my opinion you should avoid failure and doing muscle groups 2-3 times a week with such volume (so once a week with such high volume is enough, as you do now). working body parts can be done 2-3 times a week but volume must be lowered then of course.

Are you saying that Arnold and Sergio didn't go to failure that often? Cause I am pretty sure they did..
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Post by: davie on December 31, 2006, 08:31:33 AM
Are you saying that Arnold and Sergio didn't go to failure that often? Cause I am pretty sure they did..

Arnold didnt really, sergio did, especially wen he trained low volume.

davie
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Post by: alexxx on December 31, 2006, 08:32:40 AM
Arnold didnt really, sergio did, especially wen he trained low volume.

davie

By failure I mean that he cannot complete another rep by himself.
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Post by: slaveboy1980 on December 31, 2006, 08:33:33 AM
Are you saying that Arnold and Sergio didn't go to failure that often? Cause I am pretty sure they did..
no no..they did go to failure regularly (not always tho) .im just saying do high volume like they did but avoid failure...works better.
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Post by: alexxx on December 31, 2006, 08:38:22 AM
no no..they did go to failure regularly (not always tho) .im just saying do high volume like they did but avoid failure...works better.

If you don't go to failure then you are not training as hard as you should. Take a look at Jay Cutler and see for yourself. ;D
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Post by: Devon97 on December 31, 2006, 08:41:02 AM
If you don't go to failure then you are not training as hard as you should. Take a look at Jay Cutler and see for yourself. ;D
Wheather or not u train to failure every set makes no difference, your load isnt heavy enough to illicit enough muscle damage :D
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Post by: slaveboy1980 on December 31, 2006, 08:41:16 AM
yeah,gutler looks shit but he doesnt go to failure all the time and he got big..altho im not sure he is the best example as he is on more medicins than a belgian blue cow.
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Post by: Palpatine Q on January 02, 2007, 06:33:31 AM

did they go from 18 to 19.5 or to 20?? ;) good lord my friends,,,good lord,,,even on hormones your arms dont go that fast 1.5 inches,,do you know what 1.5 inches of muscle is??

i LOVE to read this board


I'm talking over the course of about six months. My arms were 18 and basically staying that way, until I was farting around one day decided to try my close grips on the decline. My triceps grew like a fucking weed. Laugh all you want those are my guns in the pic and I'm 100% natty
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Post by: buffbodz on January 02, 2007, 08:28:31 AM
I dont doubt what  groink said, i am just curious as to what difference these make to how the exercise effects ur triceps?? I am willing to try it though!!

davie

You can use more weight and the exercise becomes more like a triceps pushdown.  Plus you can get a nice lockout at the top, which increases size on the long head.  Flat closegrips tend to bring the delts and chest into the exercise.  Declines isolate the tris.