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I said I would make the video and I did. I probably could have gotten the 3rd but I pussed-out.
I did this totally raw, no belt, straps, or anything else. I also did a complete reset between reps (no bounce to make the 2nd or 3rd reps easier).
This was my 2nd workout back to conventional deadlifting and I will do another video in a few weeks with 655 lbs or more for a double.
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sick lift,
how much more could you do with equipment?
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Way to go Chris :)
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nice
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sick lift,
how much more could you do with equipment?
I honestly don't know. The best I have done thus far totally raw is 675 lbs. I would guess I could get 25-50 lbs out of equipment but it is hard to say.
Chris
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good lift man, I could only dream of lifting that!!
ta ta
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I honestly don't know. The best I have done thus far totally raw is 675 lbs. I would guess I could get 25-50 lbs out of equipment but it is hard to say.
Chris
675 :o
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Way to go Chris :)
I still have to work up to what you could do! Thank you.
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good lift man 8)
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damn great lift!! And what a strong grip you have!!
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great lift...its strange though that you didn't keep your head up. especially with that kind of weight, its pretty easy to get a bad neck injury.
anyways seems like you know your shit
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Strong as hell.
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good job Chris..one of my goals this year is to up my deads without the use of a strap.
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good job Chris..one of my goals this year is to up my deads without the use of a strap.
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Isn't hook grip "cheating" as well? Doesn't really have anything to do with strength, just pain tolerance. Your thumb becomes a "strap" in essence.
That said I'll be practicing these as well.
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Nice!!!
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Isn't hook grip "cheating" as well? Doesn't really have anything to do with strength, just pain tolerance. Your thumb becomes a "strap" in essence.
That said I'll be practicing these as well.
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that's bad ass!
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Pretty big weights, impressive!
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Incredible!
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Incredible lift using a conventional grip. Someone here compared the hook grip to using straps. It still takes a great grip strength using a hook grip. Straps gives a lot of guys a 50 to 100lbs difference in what they can deadlift. That was some lift and that is serious strength.
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Excellent hand strength, Chris. Can't wait for the squad to comment on this one, and what myriad 'flaws' they find with your lifts. ::)
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Excellent hand strength, Chris. Can't wait for the squad to comment on this one, and what myriad 'flaws' they find with your lifts. ::)
hahahahaha, you hang on our every word, we rule your thoughts.
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very excellent
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You didn't really lock the weight out. Solid lift nonetheless.
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I said I would make the video and I did. I probably could have gotten the 3rd but I pussed-out.
I did this totally raw, no belt, straps, or anything else. I also did a complete reset between reps (no bounce to make the 2nd or 3rd reps easier).
This was my 2nd workout back to conventional deadlifting and I will do another video in a few weeks with 655 lbs or more for a double.
That's all? I am just playing that is some serious weight!
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Very NICE. Next time powder your head..the glare made it hard to watch the video. :P jk. I am balding too.
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awesome strength bro! just how much juice did you stick yourself with before doing that lift?! u are one strong ass dude! :o
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Nice lift chris
Arms looking good too
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How old are you Chris?
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you are one bigass strong dude! How much are u weighing these days? I hope to be able to pull 3x bodyweight soon(before spring hopefully) ;)
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the most impressive thing about the lift is the double overhand grip w/ out straps. i use straps and once i get to 495 the weight slips out of my hands still. you're a strong fucking dude chris.
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Great lift!!
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Thanks for all of the nice compliments!
I am 36 years old.
I am weighing in the 215-220 lbs range (haven't weighed myself in a while).
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Chris,
Not meaning to denigrate your accomplishment, but as someone who has lost training partners to sloppy deadlifting technique... I just gotta question that form.
Videotape yourself from the side and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Most of the force is being transferred directly down your spine and you're literally playing tiddly-winks with your lumbar discs... keep that visual in mind and consider the recovery time for the following injuries:
-pinched disc
-frayed disc
-nerve impingement
-snapped trapezius fibres
-cracked vertebrae
Rounded-back deadlifts are a lot like shallow squats: no one is willing to tighten up their form as it means lowering the weights and building back up (to a lower level) with proper technique.
There are some simple incontravertable rules when it comes to REALLY heavy deadlifting:
-do NOT use a mixed grip (it creates asymmetrical forces across the torso and torque on the already loaded spinal column which induces a shearing/grinding action, it also leads to bicep ruptures/tears). the mixed grip is something espoused only by diehard powerlifters, it's not logical.
-DO use an overhand grip (it prevents injury)
-DO maintain at least a flat back, preferably arched (it's almost impossible to injure an arched back)
-avoid the tendency to point the toes out (ten to two position), parallel/parallelish is better
-avoid using weights in the 3x bodyweight range (just as triple bodyweight benching is only accomplished by means of excessive arching and overly wide grips... triple bodyweight deadlifting is also beyond the muscular capabilities of the body: it's only accomplished through cheating)
-DO use straps if necessary (unlike our primate kin, humans simply do not have sufficient grip strength... it's genetic)
Anyone (any observant person at least) who's been in the irongame for any significant time would be more impressed by 3 solid properly executed reps with 500 lbs than 2 sloppy round-backed reps with 635 lbs (or even 700 lbs for that matter).
Assuming this advice will go unheaded,
The Luke
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Chris,
Not meaning to denigrate your accomplishment, but as someone who has lost training partners to sloppy deadlifting technique... I just gotta question that form.
Videotape yourself from the side and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Most of the force is being transferred directly down your spine and you're literally playing tiddly-winks with your lumbar discs... keep that visual in mind and consider the recovery time for the following injuries:
-pinched disc
-frayed disc
-nerve impingement
-snapped trapezius fibres
-cracked vertebrae
Rounded-back deadlifts are a lot like shallow squats: no one is willing to tighten up their form as it means lowering the weights and building back up (to a lower level) with proper technique.
There are some simple incontravertable rules when it comes to REALLY heavy deadlifting:
-do NOT use a mixed grip (it creates asymmetrical forces across the torso and torque on the already loaded spinal column which induces a shearing/grinding action, it also leads to bicep ruptures/tears). the mixed grip is something espoused only by diehard powerlifters, it's not logical.
-DO use an overhand grip (it prevents injury)
-DO maintain at least a flat back, preferably arched (it's almost impossible to injure an arched back)
-avoid the tendency to point the toes out (ten to two position), parallel/parallelish is better
-avoid using weights in the 3x bodyweight range (just as triple bodyweight benching is only accomplished by means of excessive arching and overly wide grips... triple bodyweight deadlifting is also beyond the muscular capabilities of the body: it's only accomplished through cheating)
-DO use straps if necessary (unlike our primate kin, humans simply do not have sufficient grip strength... it's genetic)
Anyone (any observant person at least) who's been in the irongame for any significant time would be more impressed by 3 solid properly executed reps with 500 lbs than 2 sloppy round-backed reps with 635 lbs (or even 700 lbs for that matter).
Assuming this advice will go unheaded,
The Luke
yeah Chris, triple bodyweight deadlifts are beyond the capabilties of the human body. ::)
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any video of you performing these perfect rep deadlifts, The Luke??
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Chris,
Not meaning to denigrate your accomplishment, but as someone who has lost training partners to sloppy deadlifting technique... I just gotta question that form.
Videotape yourself from the side and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Most of the force is being transferred directly down your spine and you're literally playing tiddly-winks with your lumbar discs... keep that visual in mind and consider the recovery time for the following injuries:
-pinched disc
-frayed disc
-nerve impingement
-snapped trapezius fibres
-cracked vertebrae
Rounded-back deadlifts are a lot like shallow squats: no one is willing to tighten up their form as it means lowering the weights and building back up (to a lower level) with proper technique.
There are some simple incontravertable rules when it comes to REALLY heavy deadlifting:
-do NOT use a mixed grip (it creates asymmetrical forces across the torso and torque on the already loaded spinal column which induces a shearing/grinding action, it also leads to bicep ruptures/tears). the mixed grip is something espoused only by diehard powerlifters, it's not logical.
-DO use an overhand grip (it prevents injury)
-DO maintain at least a flat back, preferably arched (it's almost impossible to injure an arched back)
-avoid the tendency to point the toes out (ten to two position), parallel/parallelish is better
-avoid using weights in the 3x bodyweight range (just as triple bodyweight benching is only accomplished by means of excessive arching and overly wide grips... triple bodyweight deadlifting is also beyond the muscular capabilities of the body: it's only accomplished through cheating)
-DO use straps if necessary (unlike our primate kin, humans simply do not have sufficient grip strength... it's genetic)
Anyone (any observant person at least) who's been in the irongame for any significant time would be more impressed by 3 solid properly executed reps with 500 lbs than 2 sloppy round-backed reps with 635 lbs (or even 700 lbs for that matter).
Assuming this advice will go unheaded,
The Luke
You mean unheeded...
Anyway, see what Bob Peoples has to say on the topic. I have trained my body to lift safely in that style. I would not recommend it to a rote beginner. My form is far from sloppy.
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Good lift.
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Excellent lift Chris! :)
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You didn't really lock the weight out. Solid lift nonetheless.
you are a tosser arent you?
Chris, seems to me that you could do more with better leg technique.
very impressive.
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Impressive... good form too.
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you are a tosser arent you?
Chris, seems to me that you could do more with better leg technique.
very impressive.
He didn't lock out his back, dipshit. He's a strong guy, but there is no way in hell he can do a competition deadlift with 675 lb.
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He didn't lock out his back, dipshit. He's a strong guy, but there is no way in hell he can do a competition deadlift with 675 lb.
u kidding right?
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He didn't lock out his back, dipshit. He's a strong guy, but there is no way in hell he can do a competition deadlift with 675 lb.
He did 2 reps, he should be able to lock out one.
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He did 2 reps, he should be able to lock out one.
bro you do realize who you a re calling out here,
this is brian x, he rows 225. ;D
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bro you do realize who you a re calling out here,
this is brian x, he rows 225. ;D
hahahahah I forgot about the upright row claim. ::)
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Excellent lift Chris! Keep up the good work bro!
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Rounded-back deadlifts are a lot like shallow squats: no one is willing to tighten up their form as it means lowering the weights and building back up (to a lower level) with proper technique.
The Luke
I was willing and my knees thank me for it, as with deep squats the glutes take the stress off the knees rather than stopping midway through a movement "jarring the knees".
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Outstanding deadlift Chris, particularly with NO lifting belt, multi-ply deadlift suit, or straps!!
Are you an all-natural weight-trainer? I see that you weigh approx. 225 lbs.
As we discussed in a previous thread, if you are drug-free then you can theoretically add roughly a third to this poundage (to adjust for doping) and to compensate for the lack of either a multi-ply deadlift suit/belt add another 50-100 lbs...so that would be what...approx. 850-900 lbs. "adjusted"?!
Back in my "prime", I eventually reached 605 lbs. at a bwt. of 200 lbs. with only a 4-in. wide lifting belt and no straps (used a hook grip). Sadly though, it was a "gym lift" and I didn't have a camera (how I wish!)...so I "honestly" can only claim my official PL contest lift of 520 lbs. at a bwt. of 185 lbs. (light in bwt. while competing in the 198 lb. class). Of course, these lifts were drug-free.
By the way, I watched Bob Peoples deadlift and he kept his hips high in the get-set position over the bar...almost like a stiff-legged dead with a "soft" knee lock.
Again, congratulations Chris on an outstanding dead, particularly w/o any belt/support-gear!!
By the way, have you tried to do a 1RM on the Gerard trap bar?
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Chris,
Not meaning to denigrate your accomplishment, but as someone who has lost training partners to sloppy deadlifting technique... I just gotta question that form.
Videotape yourself from the side and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Most of the force is being transferred directly down your spine and you're literally playing tiddly-winks with your lumbar discs... keep that visual in mind and consider the recovery time for the following injuries:
-pinched disc
-frayed disc
-nerve impingement
-snapped trapezius fibres
-cracked vertebrae
Rounded-back deadlifts are a lot like shallow squats: no one is willing to tighten up their form as it means lowering the weights and building back up (to a lower level) with proper technique.
There are some simple incontravertable rules when it comes to REALLY heavy deadlifting:
-do NOT use a mixed grip (it creates asymmetrical forces across the torso and torque on the already loaded spinal column which induces a shearing/grinding action, it also leads to bicep ruptures/tears). the mixed grip is something espoused only by diehard powerlifters, it's not logical.
-DO use an overhand grip (it prevents injury)
-DO maintain at least a flat back, preferably arched (it's almost impossible to injure an arched back)
-avoid the tendency to point the toes out (ten to two position), parallel/parallelish is better
-avoid using weights in the 3x bodyweight range (just as triple bodyweight benching is only accomplished by means of excessive arching and overly wide grips... triple bodyweight deadlifting is also beyond the muscular capabilities of the body: it's only accomplished through cheating)
-DO use straps if necessary (unlike our primate kin, humans simply do not have sufficient grip strength... it's genetic)
Anyone (any observant person at least) who's been in the irongame for any significant time would be more impressed by 3 solid properly executed reps with 500 lbs than 2 sloppy round-backed reps with 635 lbs (or even 700 lbs for that matter).
Assuming this advice will go unheaded,
The Luke
If we are talking about powerlifters and powerlifting then most use rounded upper backs. Sure you can go to a contest, not place well, but lift with an arched back demonstrating safe technique. Your choice. Like Chris said the body can adapt to do this fairly safely.
Rounded back lifting:
Bonus footage:
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He didn't lock out his back, dipshit. He's a strong guy, but there is no way in hell he can do a competition deadlift with 675 lb.
Lol, WTF are you talking about? I have been a powerlifting judge. I work with the best in the powerlifting world. I know what will pass and what will not.
Please pick something else to complain about. Perhaps my bald spot?
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You are a strong deadlifter, nice work.
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Outstanding deadlift Chris, particularly with NO lifting belt, multi-ply deadlift suit, or straps!!
Are you an all-natural weight-trainer? I see that you weigh approx. 225 lbs.
As we discussed in a previous thread, if you are drug-free then you can theoretically add roughly a third to this poundage (to adjust for doping) and to compensate for the lack of either a multi-ply deadlift suit/belt add another 50-100 lbs...so that would be what...approx. 850-900 lbs. "adjusted"?!
Back in my "prime", I eventually reached 605 lbs. at a bwt. of 200 lbs. with only a 4-in. wide lifting belt and no straps (used a hook grip). Sadly though, it was a "gym lift" and I didn't have a camera (how I wish!)...so I "honestly" can only claim my official PL contest lift of 520 lbs. at a bwt. of 185 lbs. (light in bwt. while competing in the 198 lb. class). Of course, these lifts were drug-free.
By the way, I watched Bob Peoples deadlift and he kept his hips high in the get-set position over the bar...almost like a stiff-legged dead with a "soft" knee lock.
Again, congratulations Chris on an outstanding dead, particularly w/o any belt/support-gear!!
By the way, have you tried to do a 1RM on the Gerard trap bar?
Thank you.
I am drug free, yes.
Trust me, I think about what you are proposing quite a bit because I will hit well over 700 lbs drug free and raw before I am done. If I were to use anabolics and other gear I think I could hit over 900 lbs at my best and that would be at a relatively light body weight. I think about it a lot...
That said, I have a wife and 3 kids and at this point I want to lengthen my life not possibly shorten it so I stay drug free and have to be happy with what I can do.
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I want to thank everyone who has complimented me in this thread. It feels good and I appreciate it.
Chris
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Damn dude that is strong, also given the width of your feet on the lift. If you went sumo style, jeez there's telling how much you could pull. Absolutely out of this world.
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Chris don't let the internet training experts put down that fantastic lift. Most of them live at home and deliver pizza for their juice money. If they can do 635 for 2 reps let them video it.
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Thanks Chris. You just kicked the ass out of my best by 100lb. Doh!
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Lol, WTF are you talking about? I have been a powerlifting judge. I work with the best in the powerlifting world. I know what will pass and what will not.
Please pick something else to complain about. Perhaps my bald spot?
I already complained about the bald spot. ;D
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Just for the record....
My comments were intended for bodybuilders; powerlifters are a different kettle of fish... those guys will gladly sacrifice form (and safety) for poundage. I simply meant to point out that a 500 lb deadlift (done bodybuilding style) is a tremendous achievement and frankly, beyond the capabilities/potential of most trainees... just wanted to point that out before we have a youtube video of Alexxx herniating a disk with 135 lbs.
And yes Chris, it should have been "unheeded"... gotta make the occasional mistake to maintain rapport with the mere mortals.
Again, congrats on the lift. Simply amazing poundage for a natural.
The Luke
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Thank you.
I am drug free, yes.
Trust me, I think about what you are proposing quite a bit because I will hit well over 700 lbs drug free and raw before I am done. If I were to use anabolics and other gear I think I could hit over 900 lbs at my best and that would be at a relatively light body weight. I think about it a lot...
That said, I have a wife and 3 kids and at this point I want to lengthen my life not possibly shorten it so I stay drug free and have to be happy with what I can do.
Chris, doing 635 lbs. for reps in the deadlift, at an approx. 220 lb. ALL-NATURAL bwt. w/o ANY support gear, is a truly phemonenal achievement!!
Most of us guys, who are all-natural lifters in the 200 lb. bwt. range, have had just enough experience struggling up with deads in the 500-600 lb. range to TRULY appreciate the magnitude of your accomplishment...particu larly being drug-free and w/o using even a single-ply lifting belt for back support!
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Dude is a beast
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Chris, doing 635 lbs. for reps in the deadlift, at an approx. 220 lb. ALL-NATURAL bwt. w/o ANY support gear, is a truly phemonenal achievement!!
Most of us guys, who are all-natural lifters in the 200 lb. bwt. range, have had just enough experience struggling up with deads in the 500-600 lb. range to TRULY appreciate the magnitude of your accomplishment...particu larly being drug-free and w/o using even a single-ply lifting belt for back support!
I second that!
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Just for the record....
My comments were intended for bodybuilders; powerlifters are a different kettle of fish... those guys will gladly sacrifice form (and safety) for poundage. I simply meant to point out that a 500 lb deadlift (done bodybuilding style) is a tremendous achievement and frankly, beyond the capabilities/potential of most trainees...
The Luke
In my five decades of lifting, I've come to the conclusion, after observing seeming legions of lifters incur back injuries through deads, that some individuals have leverages that are so favorable to deads that regardless of how much they round their backs, at the critical point of clearing the knees with the straight bar, that they never incur back injuries. However, others w/o these favorable leverages are literally playing “Russian roulette” with their backs in trying to emulate the “pull-out-all-the-stops” back rounding form/technique of deadlifting on a 1 RM effort!
The great Bob Peoples started with his hips high, did almost a “stiff-legged” deadlift, and rounded his back considerably…but he seemed to have perfect leverages for the deadlift and his finger-tips seemed to dangle just below his knees! Go figure?!
Yeah, we all know that we are supposed to keep our backs flat while doing deads…but who REALLY does this when doing a true 1RM, or squeezing out the last of your reps.?!
Personally, not having good leverages for the deadlift and not being a competitive powerlifter anymore, but still pushing to beat personal records (at different stages of my life), the Gerard trap bar was a “salvation” to me.
The trap bar allows trainees, like myself, with relatively poor deadlifting leverages to set their hips low in a “perfect” get-set position (which a straight bar prevents some lifters from doing at all!), and then being able to pull the bar straight up and back over ones’ heels. Thus, one gains much better leverage and SAFETY to ones’ lower back…because rounding of the spine is minimized (compared to the straight bar) as the bar passes the knees!
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Richard2004,
The critical factors are:
-thigh bone to torso length ratio (which decides how "optimum" your starting position is)
-ankle flexibility (same as above)
-shin length to thigh bone length ratio (which is a measure of stunting/cold-adaption)
...these factors expalin the pattern you are seeing. Glad someone else noticed it.
Those who can/do deadlift with a rounded UPPER back generally suffer no noticeable ill affects... no NOTICEABLE effects because the damage takes longer to present itself as a debilitating condition.
Rounded lower back = back problems in 40s/50s
Rounded upper back = back problems in 50s/60s
Flat back = no difference from non-lifters
Arched back = robust lumbar health well into 70s/80s
I have formulas for working out predictive trends from almost all the body ratios... from finger length ratios to ankle and wrist ratios (surprisingly finger length ratios can best predict bodybuilding aptitude/potential). I really must get around to writing a How-To guide or an article or something.
The Luke
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hahahahaha, you hang on our every word, we rule your thoughts.
I'd love to see a video of you deading even 300lbs.
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Thanks all!
gtbro - :P Lol, it sucks losing hair. It's funny that I didn't realize how bad it was getting until I saw the video... :-[
Ahhh well, c'est la vie.
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It's a good lift but I do agree about the form. He definitely had a rounded back and I believe that's asking for trouble in the long run. I would consider Trop's deadlifting form to be ideal for a bodybuilder. I think he also did 635 x 2 in a video and did not stop and do a complete reset.
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GREAT LIFT CHRIS
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awesome lift chris..amazing strength dude..
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Good lift, keep it up.
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whats crazy is that Mr I is only 50lbs away from benching that weight ;D
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Impressive lifts Chris...i've seen alot of power lifters use that form and there is nothing wrong with it if your body is ready for it.
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whats crazy is that Mr I is only 50lbs away from benching that weight ;D
hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I almost didn't view this thread since I figured it would be some bs post. Boy, was I wrong. Freaking insaine lift Chris, be careful and keep up the good work.
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I almost didn't view this thread since I figured it would be some bs post. Boy, was I wrong. Freaking insaine lift Chris, be careful and keep up the good work.
Thank you!
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Richard2004,
The critical factors are:
-thigh bone to torso length ratio (which decides how "optimum" your starting position is)
-ankle flexibility (same as above)
-shin length to thigh bone length ratio (which is a measure of stunting/cold-adaption)
...these factors expalin the pattern you are seeing. Glad someone else noticed it.
Those who can/do deadlift with a rounded UPPER back generally suffer no noticeable ill affects... no NOTICEABLE effects because the damage takes longer to present itself as a debilitating condition.
Rounded lower back = back problems in 40s/50s
Rounded upper back = back problems in 50s/60s
Flat back = no difference from non-lifters
Arched back = robust lumbar health well into 70s/80s
I have formulas for working out predictive trends from almost all the body ratios... from finger length ratios to ankle and wrist ratios (surprisingly finger length ratios can best predict bodybuilding aptitude/potential). I really must get around to writing a How-To guide or an article or something.
The Luke
Do you have some type of medical background?
Some powerlifters even do deliberately rounded back good mornings, and some type of upper back rolls where you sit with a barbell on your back and round your upper back and then crunch back into arched position. Probably not healthy either, even with moderate weights?
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Very good lift. I round my back slightly as well when I DL heavy. I think that your body gets accustomed to the way that you lift. I never have had any back pain.
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mason, keep up the excellent lifting.
Stay strong bro.
-Hedge
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Thanks!
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Chris, nice lift. You are strong as hell......
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Freaky strong bro, im looking foreward to the next installment with u deadlifting 675 for at least 3!!
Awesome strength, u going down the mainly powerlifting route now??
davie
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Very good lift chris, impressive weight....
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Outstanding lift, especially at your bodyweight. Inspiring...
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HAHAHAH Chris just owned the haters!!! ;D
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Richard2004,
The critical factors are:
-thigh bone to torso length ratio (which decides how "optimum" your starting position is)
-ankle flexibility (same as above)
-shin length to thigh bone length ratio (which is a measure of stunting/cold-adaption)
...these factors expalin the pattern you are seeing. Glad someone else noticed it.
Those who can/do deadlift with a rounded UPPER back generally suffer no noticeable ill affects... no NOTICEABLE effects because the damage takes longer to present itself as a debilitating condition.
Rounded lower back = back problems in 40s/50s
Rounded upper back = back problems in 50s/60s
Flat back = no difference from non-lifters
Arched back = robust lumbar health well into 70s/80s
I have formulas for working out predictive trends from almost all the body ratios... from finger length ratios to ankle and wrist ratios (surprisingly finger length ratios can best predict bodybuilding aptitude/potential). I really must get around to writing a How-To guide or an article or something.
The Luke
I don't know what all that means, but I can say I make a conscious effort to ALWAYS arch my back when lifting heavy shit (in the gym or out) and I'm one of the few people i know my age that has zero back problems
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I don't know what all that means, but I can say I make a conscious effort to ALWAYS arch my back when lifting heavy shit (in the gym or out) and I'm one of the few people i know my age that has zero back problems
...well now you know why.
The Luke