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i mean we have fossels and they ruled this planet for longer than mankind has been around...
why why why?
now for ya muslims ..christians..and jews..if you ARE gionna gimme some proof ..
dont let it be ...obscure k..
g;luck :)
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DAMN GOOD QUESTION!
EDIT: Actually, I think I might know, but I'll wait on someone smarter....
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I've spoken with a muzzie on this topic. He blindly believes they were placed there by God as a test of faith.
Yup yup, another brainwashed muslim.
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I've spoken with a muzzie on this topic. He blindly believes they were placed there by God as a test of faith.
Yup yup, another brainwashed muslim.
hahahahaaa, great!
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I don't know, but here is an interesting explanation by a Christian, Science teacher who was once an atheist:
"There are several possible ways to explain the dinosaurs and how they fit into Genesis. The Bible says that God does not do anything in vain (Isaiah 45:18), and that is true of the dinosaurs. There is considerable evidence that the dinosaurs were major influences in the preparation of the earth gymnosperms--spore earth man. The dinosaurs ate gymnosperms--sporebearing plants like ferns, conifers, etc. You and I eat angiosperms--plants with fruit and seeds, not gymnosperms. The whole dinosaur ecosystem led to the successful preparing of the earth for man to be able to live and eat. If the dinosaurs were created for this purpose, then they must have been brought into existence by God in verses 1-3 of Genesis 1. The word translated earth in Genesis 1:1 does not refer to a blob of gook in the rest of the Bible it refers to a functioning, life-bearing planet. The word was in Genesis 1:2 is translated became in Genesis 19:26. Whether this has reference to the asteroid collision mentioned earlier is problematical, but the eradication of the dinosaurs by some process cleared the way for man and his world. The prehistory of the earth is in Genesis 1:1-3, while man and his world are created in what may have been a literal week, and man and his animals occupy the rest of the chapter."
"God created basic animals in a number of groups. The flesh groups are identified while insects, worms, etc., are not. Changes have occurred within these groups. An understanding of these changes allows a great deal of biological understanding. In the prehistory of the earth in Genesis 1:1-3 the earth went through an undated, untimed period in which the resources man would need were produced. They were produced by the original materials being created and then being altered by natural processes so that man could find them. As our knowledge gets better, we find more and more ways to understand these things and have even learned to copy them so we can produce them artificially. Genesis makes perfect sense when it is followed in a literal and careful way, recognizing that the sequence given was used initially and still takes place today in processes like succession. The creation week, which well may have been a normal week, describes man and the animals man domesticated and was familiar with. If we free ourselves from human traditions and creeds and look open-mindedly and fairly at the evidence, we can see that science and the Bible are friends--not enemies. Bad science and bad theology have caused an unnecessary conflict with enormous damage being done to both science and theology. If we look at these two areas as if they exist in a positive symbiotic way, we can see that the written word revealed in the Scriptures and the created message in the world around us have the same message and compliment one another in a beautiful way."
http://www.doesgodexist.org/Phamplets/GodsRevelationInHisRocksAndInHisWord/GodsRevelationInHisRocksAndInHisWord.html
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I've spoken with a muzzie on this topic. He blindly believes they were placed there by God as a test of faith.
Yup yup, another brainwashed muslim.
lol ;D
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I've spoken with a muzzie on this topic. He blindly believes they were placed there by God as a test of faith.
Yup yup, another brainwashed muslim.
the fossils? hahahahahaha
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the fossils? hahahahahaha
Yes, and I must admit, he also came across as not the sharpest tool in the shed.
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I don't know, but here is an . Whether this has reference to the asteroid collision mentioned earlier is problematical, but the eradication of the dinosaurs by some process cleared the way for man and his world. The prehistory of the earth is in
Satan was thrown out of heaven and when he hit earth, all life was wiped out! So all those dinosaur bones, "caveman" bones ect...are from a different era.
Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Note- there is a Huge time gap Between verse 1 and 2. There is a battle in heaven and Satan and 1/3 of the angels are thrown out.
2 Now the earth was (Destroyed) formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
PS- I once believed that the dinosaurs were mentioned in Job 41. I was wrong about that.
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PS- I once believed that the dinosaurs were mentioned in Job 41. I was wrong about that.
Royalty, why did you change your mind?
Toxy, remember this?
Quote from: ToxicAvenger! on September 21, 2006, 03:28:29
1) why aren't the dinasours mentioned in the bible, koran or torah?
2) why did god take a 65 mil yr break after the dinasours die to make man?
Hi Toxy,
1) Some people believe that a dinosaur is referred to in Job 15-19:
"Look at the behemoth, which I made along w/you and which feeds on grass like an ox. What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron."
Also some people believe that a sea-creature dinosaur is referred to in Job 41:1-15
"Can you pull in the leviathan w/a fishhook or tie down his tongue w/a rope? Can you put a cord through his nose or pierce his jaw w/a hook? Will he keep begging your for mercy? Will he speak to you w/gentle words? Will hhe make an agreement w/you for you to take him as your slave for life? Can you make a pet of him like a bird or put him on a leash for your girls? Will traders barter for him? Will they divide him up among the merchants? Can you fill his hide w/harpoons or his head w/fishing spears? If you lay a hand on him, you will remember the struggle and never do it again! And hope of subduing him is false; the mere sight of him is overpowering. No one is fierce enough to rouse him."
Leviathan is also mentioned in Isaiah 27:1:
"In that day the Lord will punish w/his sword, his fierce, great and powerful sword, Leviathan the gliding serpent, Leviathan the coililng serpent; he will slay the monster of the sea."
Leviathan also in Psalm 74:14 and Psalm 104:26.
And as someone else said on that other thread, not everything that has existed is mentioned in the bible.
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ooo i asked that before...lol..sorry stells.. :-[
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ooo i asked that before...lol..sorry stells.. :-[
s'ok :)
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Most religous types say it is a test of faith, remarkably this is the same answer you will get if you ask any of these people a question their faith doesnt have an answer to. God is great, religion is dumb.
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Most religous types say it is a test of faith,
thats just fucking stupid. God planted the fossils there to confuse us, and hence test our faith?
Yea, the earth really is flat, the appearence of being spherical is just an illusion to test our faith. brilliant!
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thats just fucking stupid. God planted the fossils there to confuse us, and hence test our faith?
Yea, the earth really is flat, the appearence of being spherical is just an illusion to test our faith. brilliant!
ya juicin haider? lol...bit agressive on the poor sap no?
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ya juicin haider? lol...bit agressive on the poor sap no?
haha no, the post wasn't directed at anyone. May have to do with me being perplexed by organised religion mroe and mroe.
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haha no, the post wasn't directed at anyone. May have to do with me being perplexed by organised religion mroe and mroe.
welcome to the dark side! buuuwaaahaaaaaa haaahaaa! ;D
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thats just fucking stupid. God planted the fossils there to confuse us, and hence test our faith?
Yea, the earth really is flat, the appearence of being spherical is just an illusion to test our faith. brilliant!
Well they say that since dinosaurs aren't mentioned in the bible, they never really existed, since the bible is gospel and cannot be questioned, thus they are put here by God to test our faith in-you guessed it, the bible.
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Well they say that since dinosaurs aren't mentioned in the bible, they never really existed, since the bible is gospel and cannot be questioned, thus they are put here by God to test our faith in-you guessed it, the bible.
It has been said that the Dinosaurs were the demons that were cast down and locked up---these are their bones....
Yet, It would be funny seeing a pack of Raptors chasing someone down the street. I think if dinos did exist today (outside of the Congo River Basin), it would force humans being to be more alert, far more fit, and have lighting quick reflexes.
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It has been said that the Dinosaurs were the demons that were cast down and locked up---these are their bones....
Yet, It would be funny seeing a pack of Raptors chasing someone down the street. I think if dinos did exist today (outside of the Congo River Basin), it would force humans being to be more alert, far more fit, and have lighting quick reflexes.
It sure would shut up all the anti-gun peeps!
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Most religous types say it is a test of faith,
I've never heard that before except here.
Well they say that since dinosaurs aren't mentioned in the bible, they never really existed, since the bible is gospel and cannot be questioned, thus they are put here by God to test our faith in-you guessed it, the bible.
Tell them there are thousands (probably millions) of things that exist or have existed that aren't mentioned in the bible.
Yet, It would be funny seeing a pack of Raptors chasing someone down the street. I think if dinos did exist today (outside of the Congo River Basin), it would force humans being to be more alert, far more fit, and have lighting quick reflexes.
I think we'd kill them all.
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It has been said that the Dinosaurs were the demons that were cast down and locked up---these are their bones....
Yet, It would be funny seeing a pack of Raptors chasing someone down the street. I think if dinos did exist today (outside of the Congo River Basin), it would force humans being to be more alert, far more fit, and have lighting quick reflexes.
some say that their is more to the dinanours then meets the eye...That their may have been a whole reptilian race long before their was a human race...A race that lived here on earth way before us...And have now moved on to bigger and better things...Some say that a reptilian race is still here on earth...
arent their cravings on walls in Egypt with man and dinanour living together at the same time frame? And that humans were really on the planet long before that has been reported...
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Does anyone else remember that story from about 5 years ago about an intact Wooly Mammoth that was found frozen in the Siberian permafrost? Shortly after the discovery, I remember hearing some scientist(s) over there wanted to clone it using a modern elephant as a surrogate mother to give birth to the clone.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/08/21/clone.mammoth/index.html
Did this effort ever go anywhere?
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Didn't go anywhere. The problem is that DNA breaks down quite quickly after an animal's death, so that getting a whole set of intact chromosomes from even a frozen mammoth is almost impossible. Now, it theoretically ought to be possible to reconstruct a whole set of chromosomes, but we're nowhere near that yet.
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haha no, the post wasn't directed at anyone. May have to do with me being perplexed by organised religion mroe and mroe.
Good! Now abandon Islam and read 'The God Delusion' by Richard Dawkins. It's a great book where religion and belief in a supernatural figure is picked apart. Dawkins is critical of judaism, christianity and islam. It's a great read and I recommend you to read it.
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Good! Now abandon Islam and read 'The God Delusion' by Richard Dawkins. It's a great book where religion and belief in a supernatural figure is picked apart. Dawkins is critical of judaism, christianity and islam. It's a great read and I recommend you to read it.
may pick it up at the library... have you read books in favor of religon and God? If not, I reccomend you pick one up to read so you can have a balanced view of both sides. Remember that there is a LOT that we don't know, actaully I would say that human beings dont know very much at all... you will find that there's more to it all than u currently think :)
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may pick it up at the library... have you read books in favor of religon and God? If not, I reccomend you pick one up to read so you can have a balanced view of both sides. Remember that there is a LOT that we don't know, actaully I would say that human beings dont know very much at all... you will find that there's more to it all than u currently think :)
Well said, haider!
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may pick it up at the library... have you read books in favor of religon and God? If not, I reccomend you pick one up to read so you can have a balanced view of both sides. Remember that there is a LOT that we don't know, actaully I would say that human beings dont know very much at all... you will find that there's more to it all than u currently think :)
There's nothing to look at when it's all based on simple assumptions and speculation.
Of course there's a lot human beings don't and wont know, but it doesn't mean we have to go about making fairy tales of some supernatural figure who knows all and created all. ::)
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There's nothing to look at when it's all based on simple assumptions and speculation.
Of course there's a lot human beings don't and wont know, but it doesn't mean we have to go about making fairy tales of some supernatural figure who knows all and created all. ::)
STFU.
Pick up a book in favor of God.
Just being jokingly harsh bud, I'm telling you... there's a lot out there. You're in for a surprise 8)
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STFU.
Pick up a book in favor of God.
Just being jokingly harsh bud, I'm telling you... there's a lot out there. You're in for a surprise 8)
if you speculate enough there's a lot out there for everything. Books on god all focus on one thing and that's "oh god can't be disproven." The one's disputing natural selection aren't worth looking at, as giving them the attention they crave only strengthens their gullibility.
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Well they say that since dinosaurs aren't mentioned in the bible, they never really existed, since the bible is gospel and cannot be questioned, thus they are put here by God to test our faith in-you guessed it, the bible.
Of course, there is the minor fact that the term "dinosaur" was coined some 200 years AFTER the Bible was translated into English (King James Version).
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It has been said that the Dinosaurs were the demons that were cast down and locked up---these are their bones....
Yet, It would be funny seeing a pack of Raptors chasing someone down the street. I think if dinos did exist today (outside of the Congo River Basin), it would force humans being to be more alert, far more fit, and have lighting quick reflexes.
Evolution is a splendid thing: The reason we have larger, higher functioning brains than any other animal...If dinosaurs did exist today we would have them in zoo's just like all the other animals and they would most likely be on the endangered species list no doubt....
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i mean we have fossels and they ruled this planet for longer than mankind has been around...
why why why?
now for ya muslims ..christians..and jews..if you ARE gionna gimme some proof ..
dont let it be ...obscure k..
g;luck :)
The authors of the Bible didn't know anything about Dinosaurs. The science of archeology did not exist 2,000 years ago. The first dinosaur fossils were recognized as such only as recent as the nineteenth century and before that, no one knew what the bones were even if they found them. People living 2,000 years ago such as the Greeks might of interpreted the dinosaur bones as bones of Giants.
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if you speculate enough there's a lot out there for everything. Books on god all focus on one thing and that's "oh god can't be disproven." The one's disputing natural selection aren't worth looking at, as giving them the attention they crave only strengthens their gullibility.
you dont know what your talking about. theology doesnt attack evolution. read a book. stop the ignorance.
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i mean we have fossels and they ruled this planet for longer than mankind has been around...
why why why?
now for ya muslims ..christians..and jews..if you ARE gionna gimme some proof ..
dont let it be ...obscure k..
g;luck :)
I am not a hard core religious guy...but the bible does make mention in the Creation story of massive sea creatures or soemthing or other. If you belive as I do that the bible was really just a guide used to control the masses and it uses many metaphors, the strange thing about the creation story is that they actually get...metaphorically...t he order of evolution correct. That is the truly amazing thing about it to me. For example, in the beginning there was nohting but dust etc...then the light (sunlight)...then the water...then it was teaming with life...then there were massive creature...etc. etc...and humans were last. Those who belive it word for word think that is literally seven days. I tend to think they were trying to explain millions of years of evolution in a simple manner to uneducated barbarians...so they made millions of years a metaphor of one day...the order is correct though which is wierd.
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Unless you know the Hebrew and Koine Greek versions then you really have no business making assumptions about what this or that means in the Bible. Many things in the bible that were translated into the KJV or NIV or NLT were incorrectly translated from their original languages. One important example is the idea that Jesus' mother, Mary, was a virgin. This is incorrect translation from Hebrew to Greek then to English.
The precise words in Hebrew were...
Isaiah 7:14
Hinneh ha almah harah ve yeldeth ben ve karath shem o immanuel.
Which translates to...
Behold, the young woman has conceived — and bears a son and calls his name Immanuel.
The Greek translators accidentally translated the Hebrew word "almah" (Young woman) into the Greek word parthenos (Virgin).
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i mean we have fossels and they ruled this planet for longer than mankind has been around...
why why why?
now for ya muslims ..christians..and jews..if you ARE gionna gimme some proof ..
dont let it be ...obscure k..
g;luck :)
The answer is simple - they didn't know about dinosaurs when those books were written.
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The answer is simple - they didn't know about dinosaurs when those books were written.
ahhh but the koran is the direct word of god....god dosen't know fo dinasours??
and jesus is god no..so he should know.....wait no he's human..noo he's god..well he died so he cant be..well wait..err..?
<GASP>
thanx fot taking the bait! :)
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Yes well not all of us believe that it is the direct word of god.
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Yes well not all of us believe that it is the direct word of god.
i didn't say i believe it either.. :-\
neither do i believe that jesus ws actually god...lol..
i'm an athiest..
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It's ignorant to believe that the Bible is the "direct word of God" especially when most of the books of the bible say no such thing. The verses that say "all is inspired by God" are separate books which were never meant to be put together or canonized. People often read the Bible as if it were one single book. However the truth is, it's dozens of books written by separate people over a period of 1,000 years most of whom never knew each other. This is one of the main reasons we find contradictions between the various books of the Bible. They were never meant to be put into one single book and read as if written by a single author.
Moreover, There are numerous other books with just as much validity which aren't contained in the Bible due to the early church declaring them heretical.
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It's ignorant to believe that the Bible is the "direct word of God" especially when most of the books of the bible say no such thing. The verses that say "all is inspired by God" are separate books which were never meant to be put together or canonized. People often read the Bible as if it were one single book. However the truth is, it's dozens of books written by separate people over a period of 1,000 years most of whom never knew each other. This is one of the main reasons we find contradictions between the various books of the Bible. They were never meant to be put into one single book and read as if written by a single author.
Moreover, There are numerous other books with just as much validity which aren't contained in the Bible due to the early church declaring them heretical.
So it's just an arbitrary collection of text which have nothing to do with God ;D
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So it's just an arbitrary collection of text which have nothing to do with God ;D
Well it's not 'arbitrary'. It was put together by the early Christian church. The Christians at the start didn't have any sort of "Bible" for themselves and only had the Hebrew bible (now the old testament books) and oral traditions which they eventually "canonized" into what we now know as the New testament.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Canon#Canonic_texts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Canon#Canonic_texts)
Different Christian sects have different books in their Bibles. For instance the Catholic old testament has the Book of Baruch included in it but the Protestant Old Testament doesn't.
Also, We're talking about religious books here so all of them "have to do with God". They were written by incredibly religious individuals and the subject of the books are almost entirely about religion. None of them were written by or inspired by "God" though.