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Title: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: pobrecito on January 02, 2007, 04:20:10 PM
They both owned Mariusz pretty badly in 2004......does Savikas not want to win it? ???
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: Bast000 on January 02, 2007, 04:21:22 PM
they are embarrassed of being fat.
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: davidpaul on January 02, 2007, 04:21:51 PM
They both owned Mariusz pretty badly in 2004......does Savikas not want to win it? ???

i think they compete in a different fed, hedge can clarify this,
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: MisterMagoo on January 02, 2007, 04:22:29 PM
they compete IFSA. savickas has been breaking records like crazy.
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: The Squadfather on January 02, 2007, 04:22:55 PM
Savikas is easily the strongest of any of the Strongman competitors, i laughed my ass off this weekend watching the WSM marathon at how these clowns were screaming and yelling about doing shit that Savikas could do as a warmup, there wasn't one guy doing WSM who is 75 percent as strong as Savikas.
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: davidpaul on January 02, 2007, 04:23:05 PM
they compete IFSA. savickas has been breaking records like crazy.

hes no  not 5'2 bast
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: pobrecito on January 02, 2007, 04:23:15 PM
they compete IFSA. savickas has been breaking records like crazy.

Didn't Mariusz compete in IFSA in 2004? I was watching Savikas last night on OLN....
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: pobrecito on January 02, 2007, 04:24:43 PM
Savikas is easily the strongest of any of the Strongman competitors, i laughed my ass off this weekend watching the WSM marathon at how these clowns were screaming and yelling about doing shit that Savikas could do as a warmup, there wasn't one guy doing WSM who is 75 percent as strong as Savikas.

Mariusz did own Savikas in the deadlift, although it was the other way around in the squat.

Mariusz is faster, although not as strong as Savikas, so it just depends on the events if they are more static lifts or dynamic lifts..
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: The Squadfather on January 02, 2007, 04:26:21 PM
Mariusz did own Savikas in the deadlift, although it was the other way around in the squat.

Mariusz is faster, although not as strong as Savikas, so it just depends on the events if they are more static lifts or dynamic lifts..
there's no way that Mariusz could out deadlift Savikas, he may have in that one meet but that's just one meet, Savikas would totally destroy Mariusz in any static strength eveny easily.
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: MisterMagoo on January 02, 2007, 04:27:23 PM
Didn't Mariusz compete in IFSA in 2004? I was watching Savikas last night on OLN....

mariusz competed in the arnold classic strongman in 2004 and got 5th place. 4th in 2003, 3rd in 2006. up against the big boys pudz gets stomped.
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: MisterMagoo on January 02, 2007, 04:28:38 PM
there's no way that Mariusz could out deadlift Savikas, he may have in that one meet but that's just one meet, Savikas would totally destroy Mariusz in any static strength eveny easily.

in 2006 on the big tire deadlift, savickas pulled 944 and pudz pulled 862. that should settle that argument.
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: pobrecito on January 02, 2007, 04:29:32 PM
mariusz competed in the arnold classic strongman in 2004 and got 5th place. 4th in 2003, 3rd in 2006. up against the big boys pudz gets stomped.

I saw that 2004 Arnold on YouTube....Mariusz got owned carrying that wood contraption up the ramp! WTF!

I have always favored Mariusz becuase I think he could be a professional BB if he wanted, but I am beggining to think he is overrated. I mean he got stomped in 2004, and then this year he loses to Pfister? ???
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: The Squadfather on January 02, 2007, 04:31:37 PM
mariusz competed in the arnold classic strongman in 2004 and got 5th place. 4th in 2003, 3rd in 2006. up against the big boys pudz gets stomped.
this latest WSM on ESPN just goes to prove that the stregth differential between WSM and IFSA is huge, what do you think guys like Kevin Nee, Josh Thigpen, Phil Pfister or some of the other clowns in WSM would do in IFSA? absolutely nothing that's what, one guy who really disappointed me was that huge Canadian Dominic Filou, that guy pussied out of so many events, he looked like a turtle on qualuudes, he literally had trouble pressing a 227lb. stone that looked like a grapefruit in his hands.
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: davidpaul on January 02, 2007, 04:32:38 PM
this latest WSM on ESPN just goes to prove that the stregth differential between WSM and IFSA is huge, what do you think guys like Kevin Nee, Josh Thigpen, Phil Pfister or some of the other clowns in WSM would do in IFSA? absolutely nothing that's what, one guy who really disappointed me was that huge Canadian Dominic Filou, that guy pussied out of so many events, he looked like a turtle on qualuudes, he literally had trouble pressing a 227lb. stone that looked like a grapefruit in his hands.

he was a big fucker, but to me he seemed slugglish.
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: The Squadfather on January 02, 2007, 04:34:06 PM
he was a big fucker, but to me he seemed slugglish.
all the size in the world but no heart whatsoever, even Kazmaier commented on it, if that guy had even a little fire or passion he'd be scary.
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: davidpaul on January 02, 2007, 04:34:35 PM
all the size in the world but no heart whatsoever, even Kazmaier commented on it, if that guy had even a little fire or passion he'd be scary.

summed it up there.
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: MisterMagoo on January 02, 2007, 04:35:59 PM
the one that kills me is that pudz got popped for drug usage. obviously they're all gassed up, what the hell was pudz doing that got him caught?  ???
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: Bast000 on January 02, 2007, 04:36:25 PM
one guy who really disappointed me was that huge Canadian Dominic Filou, that guy pussied out of so many events, he looked like a turtle on qualuudes, he literally had trouble pressing a 227lb. stone that looked like a grapefruit in his hands.

I saw that, that was embarrassing.  just a little more than half his body weight  :-\
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: The Squadfather on January 02, 2007, 04:38:19 PM
I saw that, that was embarrassing.  just a little more than half his body weight  :-\
what a joke, he is probably the biggest human being i've ever seen and he couldn't press a weight that most guys here could push press, the fuccking stone looked the size of a basketball ih nis hands.
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: davidpaul on January 02, 2007, 04:39:22 PM
the one that kills me is that pudz got popped for drug usage. obviously they're all gassed up, what the hell was pudz doing that got him caught?  ???

i was thinking that aswell, maybe stuff like dnp/clen?
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: pobrecito on January 02, 2007, 07:10:01 PM
How does Savikas compare to Kazmier?
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: body88 on January 02, 2007, 07:23:52 PM
Do you guys have any videos of Marious getting owned? I know shit about powerlifting.
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: pobrecito on January 02, 2007, 07:27:47 PM
Do you guys have any videos of Marious getting owned? I know shit about powerlifting.

It's hard to say Mariusz got "owned" considering he has 3 worlds strongest man and Savikas has none ;)
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: body88 on January 02, 2007, 07:37:05 PM
My bad.. I was referring to the contest where some posters said he was beaten soundly. I find that suprising as Pudz is strong as shit.
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: brock125 on January 02, 2007, 09:33:31 PM
Some of those guys didn't even get the first stone which was 229 lbs. Come on now these are supposed to be some of the strongest guys in the world here.
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: MisterMagoo on January 02, 2007, 09:56:38 PM
It's hard to say Mariusz got "owned" considering he has 3 worlds strongest man and Savikas has none ;)

well let's do the math.

pudz has beaten savickas at 2 WSM contests, savickas beat pudz at 3 arnold classics
pudz has 3 WSM victories, savickas has 4 arnold classic victories
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: Drij on January 02, 2007, 10:02:21 PM
What happend to Virastyuk and Starov?
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: pobrecito on January 02, 2007, 10:03:05 PM
well let's do the math.

pudz has beaten savickas at 2 WSM contests, savickas beat pudz at 3 arnold classics
pudz has 3 WSM victories, savickas has 4 arnold classic victories

Well, it all comes down to static lifts vs dynamic lifts. Pudzianowski has more speed, agility, endurance. Savikas has more brute strength. Personally, I prefer Pudzianowski.....

Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: MisterMagoo on January 02, 2007, 10:12:49 PM
Well, it all comes down to static lifts vs dynamic lifts. Pudzianowski has more speed, agility, endurance. Savikas has more brute strength. Personally, I prefer Pudzianowski.....

yes, he's definitely more on the endurance side (speed i'm not so sure about, they've each out-sped each other on a few events). and if you like that, that's your thing. but personally i don't think that's really "the world's strongest man". the world's strongest man, to me, is a guy who does a 440 lb log lift, not the one who gets 8 reps with 300 pounds.
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: pobrecito on January 02, 2007, 10:14:24 PM
yes, he's definitely more on the endurance side (speed i'm not so sure about, they've each out-sped each other on a few events). and if you like that, that's your thing. but personally i don't think that's really "the world's strongest man". the world's strongest man, to me, is a guy who does a 440 lb log lift, not the one who gets 8 reps with 300 pounds.

Well, there's a sport for that...it's called powerlifting ;)
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: MisterMagoo on January 02, 2007, 10:20:15 PM
Well, there's a sport for that...it's called powerlifting ;)

i just think the WSM side has gone too far. when people are getting 16 reps on the deadlift or 13 reps on the presses, then the loads are too light. that's just a retardedly high amount of reps. strongman should be about brute strength, that's what it was when kaz did it. silver dollar deadlifts, real log lifts, overhead stones, that was the shit. now it's these long runs and endurance events.
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: pobrecito on January 02, 2007, 10:31:15 PM
Awesome quote from Glenn Ross:

"I disagree with that," Ross said regarding the idea that Pudzianowski's level of competition hurt him. "I'll be truly honest with you, Mariusz Pudzianowski is the best strength athlete in the whole world. He is not the best strongman. TWI, they produce the 'World's Strongest Man' (television show)...it is now down to speed, speed events, not power. If you want to see power, come to the Arnold."
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: Drij on January 02, 2007, 10:47:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MNjPo5guuc&mode=related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MNjPo5guuc&mode=related&search=)
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: Hedgehog on January 02, 2007, 11:00:37 PM
the one that kills me is that pudz got popped for drug usage. obviously they're all gassed up, what the hell was pudz doing that got him caught?  ???

Politics within the Polish branch of the strongman federation if I remember it correctly.

The details, I've forgotten.

-Hedge
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: haider on January 02, 2007, 11:02:09 PM
Politics within the Polish branch of the strongman federation if I remember it correctly.

The details, I've forgotten.

-Hedge
the polish screwed him over? lol!
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: Hedgehog on January 02, 2007, 11:18:40 PM
Well, it all comes down to static lifts vs dynamic lifts. Pudzianowski has more speed, agility, endurance. Savikas has more brute strength. Personally, I prefer Pudzianowski.....



A lot of people prefer Pudzi, they do so, IMHO, because he has a kickass physique.

If people would judge purely on performance, Pudzi wouldn't even be top 3. You would have at least Savickas, Mikhail Koklyaev and Virastuk ahead of Pudzi IMO. There are several guys like Steve McDonald and Muramets that are at least on par with Pudzi as well.


Koklyaev displaying some incredible raw power:






-Hedge
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: pobrecito on January 02, 2007, 11:22:49 PM


If people would judge purely on performance, Pudzi wouldn't even be top 3.

It depends on what the criteria is. In itself, this is a very ludicrous statement from you IMO considering Mariusz has 3 WSM title, and the chance to go down as the greatest WSM ever if he wins 2 more which is fully possible.
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: Fury on January 02, 2007, 11:25:44 PM
Should've had his fourth this year. He lost 2 events by less than a second each to Pfister. If he didn't stumble on the first few steps in the car carry, he would've had it won easily.
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: tommywishbone on January 02, 2007, 11:25:56 PM
A lot of people prefer Pudzi, they do so, IMHO, because he has a kickass physique.

If people would judge purely on performance, Pudzi wouldn't even be top 3. You would have at least Savickas, Mikhail Koklyaev and Virastuk ahead of Pudzi IMO. There are several guys like Steve McDonald and Muramets that are at least on par with Pudzi as well.

Koklyaev displaying some incredible raw power:



-Hedge

Excellent video. That "muscle snatch" with 330 lbs is pretty much a 330 lb upright row & press. Incredible power.
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: Mongol on January 02, 2007, 11:57:55 PM
I read somewhere (and this may be wrong) that up until the year that Marius was stripped of his title (2004?) Vasyl, Zavickas and the ilk were indeed competing along side Marius in the WSM. At the same time IFSA (who was contracted to help run the WSM) started to place binding contracts on their athletes not to take part in any non IFSA run events. Because of this a few athletes split from IFSA because of the restrictive nature of the contracts, when Marius was stripped of his title and banned for one year something happened between Met-rx (the main sponser of WSM - and the main sponser of Marius) and IFSA. I dont know extactly waht happened here but suffice to say that the split led to IFSA guys doing their strongman events and Met-rx guys doing the WSM. IFSA guys are not allowed to compete in the WSM (presumably due to contractual issues)

It's a real shame as I would love to see Vasyl and Zydrunas etc compete against Marius! Also I dont like some of the events in WSM like the Keg carry in the water. The Commentator said it tests the core strength of the athletes, Christ what next - squatting on a fit ball??!!     
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: Fury on January 03, 2007, 12:04:26 AM

It's a real shame as I would love to see Vasyl and Zydrunas etc compete against Marius! Also I dont like some of the events in WSM like the Keg carry in the water. The Commentator said it tests the core strength of the athletes, Christ what next - squatting on a fit ball??!!     

Are you saying that Kaz doesn't know what he's talking about? Interesting claim.  ::)
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: kck0006 on January 03, 2007, 12:13:32 AM
Not sure how it works now but in the past WSM was by invitation only.  After Kaz won three in a row he was not invited back for several years for no other reason than he was so dominate at the time.  He could easliy have 5 or 6 titles under his belt. 
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: Mongol on January 03, 2007, 12:26:34 AM
Are you saying that Kaz doesn't know what he's talking about? Interesting claim.  ::)

Before you start to cry Kaz wasn't the one that said it, it was an ex English rugby player that stated it. He is the main commentator on WSM.   :-*
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: Fury on January 03, 2007, 12:28:44 AM
Before you start to cry Kaz wasn't the one that said it, it was an ex English rugby player that stated it. He is the main commentator on WSM.   :-*

Kaz didn't disagree with him. So you're saying that Kaz doesn't know what he's talking about? Interesting.  ::)
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: Mongol on January 03, 2007, 12:37:10 AM
Kaz didn't disagree with him. So you're saying that Kaz doesn't know what he's talking about? Interesting.  ::)

Because Kaz wasn't even in the picture, I dont know where he was or whether he personally agrees with the guy or not and neither do you. I just find it strange for a WSM competition to be talking about core strength and stability excercises.
Anyway lets not get too upset about it shall we. :-\
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: The Squadfather on January 03, 2007, 07:05:16 AM
here's an example of Savikas' ridiculous pressing strength, Kocklaev and Phister are both using quite a bit of leg to drive the weight up and Savikas uses none.

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Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: Overload on January 03, 2007, 07:17:49 AM
here's an example of Savikas' ridiculous pressing strength, Kocklaev and Phister are both using quite a bit of leg to drive the weight up and Savikas uses none.

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Awesome...pure strength!

8)
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: Hedgehog on January 03, 2007, 07:20:26 AM
here's an example of Savikas' ridiculous pressing strength, Kocklaev and Phister are both using quite a bit of leg to drive the weight up and Savikas uses none.

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That's beyond fcuking insane.

Just ridiculous. Nothing can describe that dominating strength.

Extreme.

-Hedge
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: Marty Champions on January 03, 2007, 07:29:35 AM
That's beyond fcuking insane.

Just ridiculous. Nothing can describe that dominating strength.

Extreme.

-Hedge

how much does that dumbell weigh? looks like 85 pounds
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: The Squadfather on January 03, 2007, 07:32:00 AM
how much does that dumbell weigh? looks like 85 pounds
i like you daddywaddy but sometimes you talk out of your ass, it's more like 185.
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: Hedgehog on January 03, 2007, 08:22:29 AM
how much does that dumbell weigh? looks like 85 pounds

198 lbs.

-Hedge
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: The_Hammer on January 03, 2007, 09:25:26 AM
Who more pressing strength, Savikas or Ross?
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: pobrecito on January 03, 2007, 12:17:42 PM
Why were those IFSA athletes wearing Met-RX shirts?
Title: Re: Why are Savikas and Virastuk not in WSM anymore?
Post by: MisterMagoo on January 03, 2007, 05:23:44 PM
Who more pressing strength, Savikas or Ross?

i'd say ross. he has more brute static strength than anyone, he just can't really nail his lift technique. he struggles so hard to get into position with the apollon wheel but then gets the first two reps like it's bitch weight. if he could get his hands even like savickas an get some leg drive into it he'd have gotten seven reps easy.