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THIS IS A MUST SEE, THESE ARE HIGH CRIMES... THEY COULDN'T GET THE INTELLIGENCE THEY WANTED TO MEET THE GOAL OF WAR WITH IRAQ SOOOOO CHENEY/RUMMY MADE THEIR OWN INTELLIGENCE AGENCY IN THE BOWELS OF THE PENTAGON TO PROVIDE INTELLIGENCE THAT MET THE IRAQ WAR GOALS. GOOD DOCUMENTARY, VERY DAMAGING TO CHENEY AND THE NEOTURDS...
On 9/11, deep inside a White House bunker, Vice President Dick Cheney ordered U.S. fighter planes to shoot down any commercial airliner still in the air above America. At that moment, CIA Director George Tenet met with his counter-terrorism team in Langley, Virginia. Both leaders acted fast, to prepare their country for a new kind of war. But soon a debate would grow over the goals of the war on terror, and the decision to go to war in Iraq.
Amid revelations about faulty prewar intelligence and a scandal surrounding the indictment of the vice president's chief of staff and presidential adviser, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, FRONTLINE goes behind the headlines to investigate the internal war that was waged between the intelligence community and Richard Bruce Cheney, the most powerful vice president in the nation's history.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/view/
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cue the braindead retards with cries of:
1) WMD!
2) We freed them!
3) Sadaam was a threat!
and my favorite,
4) We're not stealing their oil, we're helping them manage it.
I respect the honesty of people who just say "yeah, we're taking their shit, but that is what we do to maintain our standard of living, like Goatboy. However I seriously question the intelligence, honesty, or ability to face reality, of anyone who uses the reasons above and argues our invasion of Iraq.
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We're not stealing their oil, we're helping them manage it.
That was really funny.
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bump in light of new report:
Report says Pentagon manipulated intel
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070209/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/iraq_pentagon_intelligence
I find it amazingly ridiculous that they would say no laws were broken... BAH... ::)
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yahoo - liberal media for reporting the story.
Defense Department's inspector general - total pussy for questioning the intel.
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bump in light of new report:
Report says Pentagon manipulated intel
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070209/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/iraq_pentagon_intelligence
I find it amazingly ridiculous that they would say no laws were broken... BAH... ::)
Cue the conservative spin in 5..................4.... ...........3............ .....2.................1
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HAHAHA LOOK AT THE RESUME OF THE GUY WHO FAKED /EXAGGERATED THE INTEL
Douglas Feith is a Republican. [9] Sympathetic to the Neoconservative wing of the Republican party, he has over the last thirty years published many works on U.S. national security policy. For a substantial sample, see [10]. His work on US-Soviet detente, arms control and Arab-Israeli issues generated considerable debate. In particular, his writings on Israel and Zionism have drawn criticism from those who oppose his views. (see e.g.[11]).
Feith has long advocated a policy of peace through strength. He was an outspoken skeptic of U.S.-Soviet detente and of the Oslo, Hebron and Wye Processes on Palestinian-Israeli peace.
Feith first entered government as a Middle East specialist on the National Security Council (NSC) under Ronald Reagan in 1981. He transferred from the NSC Staff to Pentagon in 1982 to work as Special Counsel for Richard Perle, who was then serving as Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security. Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger promoted Feith in 1984 to Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Negotiations Policy and, when Feith left the Pentagon in 1986, Weinberger gave him the highest Defense Department civilian award, the Distinguished Public Service medal. Upon leaving the Pentagon, Feith established the Washington, DC law firm of Feith & Zell. His law firm colleague, Marc Zell, was resident in Israel. Three years later, Feith was retained as a lobbyist by the Turkish government. Among other clients, his firm represented defense corporations Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman.
Feith was a member of the study group which authored a controversial report entitled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm [12], a set of policy recommendations for the newly elected Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The report was published by the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies without an individual author being named. According to the report, Feith was one of the people who participated in roundtable discussions that produced ideas that the report reflects. Feith pointed out in a Sept 16, 2004 letter to the editor of the Washington Post that he was not the co-author and did not clear the report's final text. He wrote, "There is no warrant for attributing any particular idea [in the report], let alone all of them, to any one participant."
Feith criticized the Oslo Accords and the Camp David peace agreement mediated by former President Jimmy Carter between Egypt and Israel. In 1997, he published a lengthy article in Commentary, titled "A Strategy for Israel". In it, Feith argued that the Oslo Accords were being undermined by Yasser Arafat's failure to fulfill peace pledges and Israel's failure to uphold the integrity of the accords it had concluded with Arafat.
Two years later, Feith and other former U.S. officials signed an open letter to President Bill Clinton calling for the United States to oust Saddam Hussein. Feith was part of a group of former national security officials in the 1990s who supported Ahmad Chalabi and the Iraqi National Congress and encouraged the U.S. Congress to pass the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998. That act was approved by Congress and signed into law by President Clinton.
Feith also served on the board of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), a think tank that promotes a military and strategic alliance between the United States and Israel. [13]
Feith is a conservative on foreign policy and arms control. He was an outspoken opponent of the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, the International Criminal Court and the Chemical Weapons Convention which he criticized as ineffective and dangerous to U.S. interests.
Feith favors US support for Israeli security and has promoted US-Israeli cooperation. He also favors stronger US-Turkish cooperation, and increased military ties between Turkey and Israel. Both Feith and his father have been honored by the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), a conservative organization that often makes common cause on foreign policy issues with conservative Christian organizations.
Feith also cofounded the organization One Jerusalem to oppose the Oslo peace agreement. Its purpose is "saving a united Jerusalem as the undivided capital of Israel." [14][15] He is also Director of Foundation for Jewish Studies, which "offers in-depth study programs for the adult Washington Jewish community that cross denominational lines."
Feith's writings on international law and on foreign and defense policy have appeared in The Wall Street Journal, Commentary, The New Republic and elsewhere. He has contributed chapters to a number of books, including James W. Muller's Churchill as Peacemaker, Raphael Israeli's The Dangers of a Palestinian State and Uri Ra'anan's Hydra of Carnage: International Linkages of Terrorism, as well as serving as co-editor for Israel's Legitimacy in Law and History.
During his time in the Pentagon in the Reagan Administration, Feith was instrumental in getting the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Secretary of Defense Weinberger and Secretary of State Shultz all to recommend (successfully) to the President not to ratify changes to the Geneva Conventions. The changes, known as Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions, would have allowed non-state militants to be treated as combatants and prisoners of war even if they had engaged in practices that endangered non-combatants or otherwise violated the laws of war. President Reagan informed the Senate in 1987 that he would not ratify Protocol I. At the time, both the Washington Post and the New York Times editorialized in favor of President Reagan's decision to reject Protocol I as a revision of humanitarian law that protected terrorists. As Under Secretary, Feith continued to champion US respect for the Geneva Conventions, i.e. his Op-Ed article "Conventional Warfare" in the Wall Street Journal on May 24, 2004. When the logic of President Reagan's decision on Protocol I was applied by President Bush in 2001 in designating Al Qaeda fighters as "enemy combatants" or "unlawful combatants" rather than as "prisoners of war" a passionate debate ensued (and continues) as to whether one is undermining or supporting the Geneva Conventions by designating combatants as "terrorists" and denying detainees POW status.
Feith is now on the faculty of the Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University, where he teaches a course on the Bush administration's antiterrorism policy.
He came to Georgetown's School of Foreign Service after leaving Stanford's Hoover Institution and was appointed by School of Foreign Service Dean, Ambassador Robert Gallucci. [16]
He is writing a memoir about his involvement in the War on Terrorism which will be published by HarperCollins. Feith has four children. [17]
Feith confided to The New Yorker in 2005, "When history looks back, I want to be in the class of people who did the right thing, the sensible thing, and not necessarily the fashionable thing, the thing that met the aesthetic of the moment."[18]
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THIS IS A MUST SEE, THESE ARE HIGH CRIMES... THEY COULDN'T GET THE INTELLIGENCE THEY WANTED TO MEET THE GOAL OF WAR WITH IRAQ SOOOOO CHENEY/RUMMY MADE THEIR OWN INTELLIGENCE AGENCY IN THE BOWELS OF THE PENTAGON TO PROVIDE INTELLIGENCE THAT MET THE IRAQ WAR GOALS. GOOD DOCUMENTARY, VERY DAMAGING TO CHENEY AND THE NEOTURDS...
On 9/11, deep inside a White House bunker, Vice President Dick Cheney ordered U.S. fighter planes to shoot down any commercial airliner still in the air above America. At that moment, CIA Director George Tenet met with his counter-terrorism team in Langley, Virginia. Both leaders acted fast, to prepare their country for a new kind of war. But soon a debate would grow over the goals of the war on terror, and the decision to go to war in Iraq.
Amid revelations about faulty prewar intelligence and a scandal surrounding the indictment of the vice president's chief of staff and presidential adviser, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, FRONTLINE goes behind the headlines to investigate the internal war that was waged between the intelligence community and Richard Bruce Cheney, the most powerful vice president in the nation's history.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/view/
LOL!!
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cue the braindead retards with cries of:
1) WMD!
2) We freed them!
3) Sadaam was a threat!
and my favorite,
4) We're not stealing their oil, we're helping them manage it.
I respect the honesty of people who just say "yeah, we're taking their shit, but that is what we do to maintain our standard of living, like Goatboy. However I seriously question the intelligence, honesty, or ability to face reality, of anyone who uses the reasons above and argues our invasion of Iraq.
we're borrowing it... ;D
they can have it back when we're done.
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LOL!!
lol??? huh :-\
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bump in light of new report:
Report says Pentagon manipulated intel
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070209/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/iraq_pentagon_intelligence
I find it amazingly ridiculous that they would say no laws were broken... BAH... ::)
O.K. Read the article. What laws do you think were broken?
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O.K. Read the article. What laws do you think were broken?
yea I read the article, did you watch the documentary?... It's really good, a step by step of exactly what happend. I'm no lawyer but if there are no laws broke by coming up with your own intelligence angency to customize false intelligence to make a case to the american people to go to war, there needs to be. As many laws as we have, they broke something... I can't believe not... At the very least, this has got to be one of the biggest unethical stunts in a long time. a lot of people have died...
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yea I read the article, did you watch the documentary?... It's really good, a step by step of exactly what happend. I'm no lawyer but if there are no laws broke by coming up with your own intelligence angency to customize false intelligence to make a case to the american people to go to war, there needs to be. As many laws as we have, they broke something... I can't believe not... At the very least, this has got to be one of the biggest unethical stunts in a long time. a lot of people have died...
I didn't watch the documentary. I clicked on the link, but when it said "90 minutes," I had to pass. :) I'll try and watch it one of these days.
What I gathered from the article is there may have been one fabricated piece (the Saddam/Al Qaeda link). There was apparently still plenty of other evidence that convinced a whole lot of people.
If you assume the worst (that they actually falsified one piece of evidence), I see this as similar to the police who some believe try and bolster evidence against an accused that they believe is guilty. For example, some people believe the LAPD did this with O.J. (i.e., tried to frame a guilty man).
That said, I agree with you that if there isn't a law against falsifying this type of evidence, there should be.
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I didn't watch the documentary. I clicked on the link, but when it said "90 minutes," I had to pass. :) I'll try and watch it one of these days.
What I gathered from the article is there may have been one fabricated piece (the Saddam/Al Qaeda link). There was apparently still plenty of other evidence that convinced a whole lot of people.
If you assume the worst (that they actually falsified one piece of evidence), I see this as similar to the police who some believe try and bolster evidence against an accused that they believe is guilty. For example, some people believe the LAPD did this with O.J. (i.e., tried to frame a guilty man).
That said, I agree with you that if there isn't a law against falsifying this type of evidence, there should be.
I hope you see the difference between a detective lying in an interrogation to get the truth to be divulged from the suspect and a nation lying to make a case to go to war. Something that is suppose to be a last resort and only done when there is no other options. I'm a little shocked that you see this a similar and assume you must not :-\ You need to watch the documentary, it's split into short segments so you can watch a small segment at a time. Don't worry, you won't wabble away crosseyed chanting "Liberals are Good" :P
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I hope you see the difference between a detective lying in an interrogation to get the truth to be divulged from the suspect and a nation lying to make a case to go to war. Something that is suppose to be a last resort and only done when there is no other options. I'm a little shocked that you see this a similar and assume you must not :-\ You need to watch the documentary, it's split into short segments so you can watch a small segment at a time. Don't worry, you won't wabble away crosseyed chanting "Liberals are Good" :P
Actually, my comparison involved the police planting evidence to try and prove that a guilty man is actually guilty, not lying during an interrogation. I wasn't condoning the practice. A cop who plants evidence should be punished, along with the criminal (assuming he is guilty). Anyone who fabricated evidence should be punished, and if there was no law broken, I agree with you that we ought to have one.
I think where we disagree is whether ALL of the evidence against Saddam was fabricated. I don't think so.
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Actually, my comparison involved the police planting evidence to try and prove that a guilty man is actually guilty, not lying during an interrogation. I wasn't condoning the practice. A cop who plants evidence should be punished, along with the criminal (assuming he is guilty). Anyone who fabricated evidence should be punished, and if there was no law broken, I agree with you that we ought to have one.
I think where we disagree is whether ALL of the evidence against Saddam was fabricated. I don't think so.
Beach, you need to watch the video. It's pretty good.
I do have issue with it tho, in that it's not as big a condemnation of the administration as it should be.
It also let a few people off the hook, treated them with kid gloves, when clearly serious body blows were called for.
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Beach, you need to watch the video. It's pretty good.
I do have issue with it tho, in that it's not as big a condemnation of the administration as it should be.
It also let a few people off the hook, treated them with kid gloves, when clearly serious body blows were called for.
Fronline has a long and excellent reputation for accurately digging into a specific aspect of something and pulling out important facts that aren't widely known. They could have made a bigger smack, but sticking to what they did, it's harder to refute and the good thing about that is it reveals a uncluttered path for the viewer to find/accept bigger condemnations currently being made.
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Fronline has a long and excellent reputation for accurately digging into a specific aspect of something and pulling out important facts that aren't widely known. They could have made a bigger smack, but sticking to what they did, it's harder to refute and the good thing about that is it reveals a uncluttered path for the viewer to find/accept bigger condemnations currently being made.
uncluttered path = sugarcoated & sanitized
They should not have minced words.
Collin Powell KNEW his speech to the UN was BS. When it was presented to him, he literally threw it across the room and said "I'm not reading this Bulls#it". They took a heavy red pencil to it. Considering how much crap was left in, you can imagine how much was taken out. Then there was that little piece of theatre with the vial of white powder. ::) Nary even a mention of that. Is it too horrible to reveal the depths the administration went to, to manipulate the minds of their own citizens?
Another thing I found equally disgusting was the free skate they gave to Congress.
If ordinary citizens aound the world knew Chalabi was nothing more than a well paid story teller, why didn't Congress? One would think a member of the US Congress would be far better informed than your average Torontonian, or your average Parisian, ...but apparently not. :-\
Yes, it was a good video, ...yes it presents information in a form palatable to scared sheeple, ...but dammnit... how much longer do the rest of us have to wait before we see some swift hard kicks to the gonads? I wanna see people writhing on the ground in pain, ...unable to reproduce, ...and speaking in very high octaves! Is that too much to ask? :D
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funny thing - unrelated but...
When Kruschev beat the UN podium with his shoe, he was still wearing both of his.
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uncluttered path = sugarcoated & sanitized
They should not have minced words.
Collin Powell KNEW his speech to the UN was BS. When it was presented to him, he literally threw it across the room and said "I'm not reading this Bulls#it". They took a heavy red pencil to it. Considering how much crap was left in, you can imagine how much was taken out. Then there was that little piece of theatre with the vial of white powder. ::) Nary even a mention of that. Is it too horrible to reveal the depths the administration went to, to manipulate the minds of their own citizens?
Another thing I found equally disgusting was the free skate they gave to Congress.
If ordinary citizens aound the world knew Chalabi was nothing more than a well paid story teller, why didn't Congress? One would think a member of the US Congress would be far better informed than your average Torontonian, or your average Parisian, ...but apparently not. :-\
Yes, it was a good video, ...yes it presents information in a form palatable to scared sheeple, ...but dammnit... how much longer do the rest of us have to wait before we see some swift hard kicks to the gonads? I wanna see people writhing on the ground in pain, ...unable to reproduce, ...and speaking in very high octaves! Is that too much to ask? :D
::) You really must have no clue about American politics. Not everything can be or should be an all out assault. How fucking long did you want the goddamned show to be because you have to go into an in depth on all of that and if it's an all out, you're more likely to have the people you're trying to address tune out and label you never to look again. If you want Frontline to be a Michael Moore documentary, that's exactly where it will find itself on the shelf of public opinion. Frontline didn't give any free passes, that's bullshit. What they did is leave the initiate with troubling facts that they should want to find out more on. Good, it's a goddamed pointer ::)
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:o OMG ...BeachBum is contagious?!
expaned canadian...
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expaned canadian...
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::) You really must have no clue about American politics.
And this is news? :D
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The eye roll was posted for a very short time. you beat me to a reply before the rest was posted, ;D but I was expanding on the post before you accused me of sucking beach juice :-X ach!
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::) You really must have no clue about American politics.
{ouch} This hurts :'( ...especially coming from you since you should know better than that.
Not everything can be or should be an all out assault. How fucking long did you want the goddamned show to be because you have to go into an in depth on all of that and if it's an all out, you're more likely to have the people you're trying to address tune out and label you never to look again. If you want Frontline to be a Michael Moore documentary, that's exactly where it will find itself on the shelf of public opinion. Frontline didn't give any free passes, that's bullshit. What they did is leave the initiate with troubling facts that they should want to find out more on. Good, it's a goddamed pointer ::)
I don't want a pointer. I want to see swift hard kick to the gonads! >:(
...does that make me a bad person? C'mon, admit it, ...wouldn't you love to see a few turned into sopranos? ;D
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...I'm off for now. Gene Hackman, Dustin Hoffman, & Edward Norton all in the same film. A must-see! :D
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The eye roll was posted for a very short time. you beat me to a reply before the rest was posted, ;D but I was expanding on the post before you accused me of sucking beach juice :-X ach!
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The eye roll was posted for a very short time. you beat me to a reply before the rest was posted, ;D but I was expanding on the post before you accused me of sucking beach juice :-X ach!
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