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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Matt C on January 03, 2007, 11:58:32 PM
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Check it out on Bodybuilding Pro.com.
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Coleman soft and puffy as usual.
Here is what a balanced, proportioned, hard, and dense rear dbl looks like.
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yes that was a great contest even tommi's legs look unbelievable!
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yes that was a great contest even tommi's legs look unbelievable!
tommi was a guest poser at that show.he did not compete
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Coleman looking retarded in the front lat spread: shoulders too small, quads too big, distended gut, no calves..... :-\
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999englishgrandprix/125.jpg)
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pobrecito - you honestly consider this to be soft?
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999englishgrandprix/119.jpg)
Relative to his peers - NO
Relative to Yates - YES!
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another thread hijacked by the yates nuthuggers...very soon this will turn into a yates coleman battle and then it will reach 5 pages discussing whos ass is better yates or coleman
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tommi was a guest poser at that show.he did not compete
well yeah... ::) fkn idiot
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How about a Gaspari hijacking? ;D One of the very few to have better conditioning than either Coleman or Yates.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=116244.0
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/richgaspariseminardvd/114.jpg)
oh well here we go again..
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oh well here we go again..
haha.
In all honestly, Camp Yates did show me that Yates was a lot better than I thought he was. His structural flaws (gut and wide waist and hips) only really hindered him in the front poses (mostly when he was not posing in fact), and his dominance was due to his side and back poses which were easily the best.
But comparing him to Coleman... :-X
PS - Jay's 2006 rear lat spread beats anything Dorian ever had.
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haha.
In all honestly, Camp Yates did show me that Yates was a lot better than I thought he was. His structural flaws (gut and wide waist and hips) only really hindered him in the front poses (mostly when he was not posing in fact), and his dominance was due to his side and back poses which were easily the best.
But comparing him to Coleman... :-X
PS - Jay's 2006 rear lat spread beats anything Dorian ever had.
what does that last line mean?.your saying jays rear lat spread was better
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PS - Jay's 2006 rear lat spread beats anything Dorian ever had.
Hell no... Jay is wide but he can't touch Dorian's detail, esepecially in the lower back.
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Yes I would say so. Jay's rear lat spread is noticeably wider and while Dorian's back was in better condition, that matters more for the rear double biceps than for the rear lat spread where the entire back sort of smooths out anyway.
yep cuts back is wider than yates..although jays back really does not have cuts and detail like yates back but when jay does the back double bi hisback details look much better than when he does back lat spread..
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pobrecito - you honestly consider this to be soft?
Soft compared to this yes!
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Soft compared to this yes!
ohh ND plzz shut up man..anyone plzz ban these coleman-yates lovers.i am sick of this shit
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ohh ND plzz shut up man..anyone plzz ban these coleman-yates lovers.i am sick of this shit
You shut up and worry about the C.I.A watching you for making threats against you know who.
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Yes I would say so. Jay's rear lat spread is noticeably wider and while Dorian's back was in better condition, that matters more for the rear double biceps than for the rear lat spread where the entire back sort of smooths out anyway.
Conditioning matters in every single pose not just certain ones and Jay is wider than Dorian not doubts about it , hell he's wider than a 290 pound Coleman but there are more to a pose than width.
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You shut up and worry about the C.I.A watching you for making threats against you know who.
shut you dorian yates ass licker
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ND: are you saying you lick the anus of Dorian Yates? ???
I would say width trumps any other factor in the rear lat spread. I'm guessing that you are just biased because you can see Dorian's ass in that pose lol.
hahaahahah so true
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hahaahahah so true
the best moment of his life is when he had his pic taken next to Dorian's cock. He actually started to orgasm.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates48.jpg)
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wtf hs this got to do with bodybuilding
keep this shit on the xboard.
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the best moment of his life is when he had his pic taken next to Dorian's cock. He actually started to orgasm.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates48.jpg)
hhhhhhhhhhhahahahaah
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How about a Gaspari hijacking? ;D One of the very few to have better conditioning than either Coleman or Yates.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=116244.0
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/richgaspariseminardvd/114.jpg)
looks like his head is about to explode
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Matt, you still have so much to learn. Ronnie's size and thickness could never be doubted and he certainly outmuscles Yates but even in top shape he always has that somewhat "inflated" look and lacks the real grainy appearance. Hard no doubt, but still a little pumped up, like his muscle quality is slightly lacking even after all his years training - yes, it came together for him a time or two. Gargantuan mass aside, he looks plain wrong in the front lat due to overly long arms for his torso and his bulbous, breast-like pecs overpowering his shulders and his balloon thighs making his calves look poor. Yates had a wide waist (at times) for sure but his actual hip structure is quite narrow. Gaspari was mega hard and vascular but even he lacked the real deep cuts and detail - compare him to a vintage Al Beckles (85 for example) - especially the detail of the upper back.
Ruhl looks very good in the 99 GP pics by the way.
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Matt, you still have so much to learn. Ronnie's size and thickness could never be doubted and he certainly outmuscles Yates but even in top shape he always has that somewhat "inflated" look and lacks the real grainy appearance. Hard no doubt, but still a little pumped up, like his muscle quality is slightly lacking even after all his years training - yes, it came together for him a time or two. Gargantuan mass aside, he looks plain wrong in the front lat due to overly long arms for his torso and his bulbous, breast-like pecs overpowering his shulders and his balloon thighs making his calves look poor. Yates had a wide waist (at times) for sure but his actual hip structure is quite narrow. Gaspari was mega hard and vascular but even he lacked the real deep cuts and detail - compare him to a vintage Al Beckles (85 for example) - especially the detail of the upper back.
Ruhl looks very good in the 99 GP pics by the way.
Great post and you're right he does have a LOT to learn.
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Matt I've seriously lost all respect for your opinion when you said Jay had a better rear lat spread than Dorian. If you said Ronnie did, I would argue with you, but I would still respect your decision. But Jay is not even close, Jay is the puffiest and softest Mr. Olympia of all-times, who only won the title not becuase of his superiority but rather becuase Ronnie was off.
Take a close look at these pictures. Cutler isn't even in the same league.
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Matt I've seriously lost all respect for your opinion when you said Jay had a better rear lat spread than Dorian. If you said Ronnie did, I would argue with you, but I would still respect your decision. But Jay is not even close, Jay is the puffiest and softest Mr. Olympia of all-times, who only won the title not becuase of his superiority but rather becuase Ronnie was off.
Take a close look at these pictures. Cutler isn't even in the same league.
read Matt's review about Yates lol he said Yates was nothing special from the front lol he had probably the best front latspread and ab-thigh in the sport , yet he was nothing special from the front !! lol Matt is another guy who is like Hulkster they can't figure Yates out so he must be overrated .
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Those pictures are the rear double biceps and it is true that Dorian clearly trumps Jay's condition in those pictures.
But post the rear lat spread comparison now.
I meant in the front relaxed pose, Dorian was nothing special. In other front poses he still wasn't that much better than the other nearest competitors - it was close. It was only when he turned to the side or the rear where he was dominant. there is a difference.
It seems like there's no budging with you or meeting halfway with your opinions. I can fairly explain Dorian's strengths and his weaknesses, yet it seems you won't be satisfied unless I admit that Dorian utterly destroys Ronnie and everyone else in every area.
No never said what you meant and I can only take your opinion for what you type , and no one was close with Yates in the front latspread ! ab-thigh Nasser was close but thats about it , and this has nothing to do with Ronnie/Dorian it has to do with your abilities , you think Jay beats Yates in the rear latspread because he's wider when there are a host of other factors .
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Yates had the best front spread ever.
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Yates had the best front spread ever.
no doubt
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that pic of jay's back is really really sad.
we went from Mr. O backs like Ronnie and dorian and then that :-\
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big thick and wide
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(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Arnold_Classic/2003/Arnold_Classic_2003_084.jpg)
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Arnold_Classic/2003/Arnold_Classic_2003_085.jpg)
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Arnold_Classic/2003/Arnold_Classic_2003_086.jpg)
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Arnold_Classic/2003/Arnold_Classic_2003_087.jpg)(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Arnold_Classic/2003/Arnold_Classic_2003_088.jpg)
[/quote]these are some better pics of Jays back, look at the rear double biceps shot.
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that pic of jay's back is really really sad.
we went from Mr. O backs like Ronnie and dorian and then that :-\
not to be a dick but if Ron would have kept his back looking like it used to look instead fo the bloated mess it's been for the last few years he'd still be mr. O...don't hate the player-jay-hate the game (what the "mr. O" has become over the last decade or so...all mass but no quality)
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Jay's rear lat isn't even in the same stratosphere as Yates :-\
(http://bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006olympia_pre_men154.jpg)
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I would like to see a comparison with Dorian to this picture:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=116253.0;attach=131698;image)
I've also seen even better pictures of Jay's lat spread.
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does jay charge admission to using the rink on his back? :-X
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like I've said in the past, it ain't jay's fault he's 285 and smooth as a babies butt...it's the judges fault for dictating that look to him for the last few years. Honestly he never, ever would have won if he didn't come in at the size he did...didn't matter how cut he was if he was smaller than Ron he would loose, that was established in 01. The Mr. Olympia is a tottally different animal than what it used to be, it used to be about who was the best bodybuilder on the planet now it's just "if you're bigger than everybody else and kinda cut we'll give it to ya....shape, aesthetics, seperation, muscularity...what do those things have to do with being mr. O?"
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Indeed Jay's back is very good but Yates is in his own world
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Dorians 95 lat spread is the freakiest condition and mass from top to bottom ever. Jesus
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thing is, some people can get great conditioning in one bodypart and be unconditioned in another. That is the problem with Jays back. Jays quads are super cut and defined but his back is still holding water. Yates had a dry and cut back but never had conditioned quads with straitions and cuts like Jay have.
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How can we trust ND who said that Frank Zane was better than Shawn Ray and 1999 ronnie? ???
I also think ND should lose credibility for swallowing the sperm of Dorian Yates.
Matt I've lost my ' credibility ' for years now on here lol and I may not know everything but I easily know more than you ;) and you're the same guy who who said Marky-Mark and Bob Paris have similar physiques ::)
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thing is, some people can get great conditioning in one bodypart and be unconditioned in another. That is the problem with Jays back. Jays quads are super cut and defined but his back is still holding water. Yates had a dry and cut back but never had conditioned quads with straitions and cuts like Jay have.
Unforntunately, you will probably never understand this, but Dorian's legs were as conditioned as humanly possible. Cuts and striations are a predicated upon the actual makeup of the muscles and how they are put together. Dorian literally could have been 0% BF and still had less cuts in his quads than Flex or Jay at 10% BF. Jay's problem on the other hand is conditioning, and not just in his back, his whole upper body looks very soft and watery.
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Matt I've lost my ' credibility ' for years now on here lol and I may not know everything but I easily know more than you ;) and you're the same guy who who said Marky-Mark and Bob Paris have similar physiques ::)
The point there was that aesthetics alone doesn't beat sheer mass. If Bob should beat Ronnie because of aesthetics as you say, where do you draw the line?
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The point there was that aesthetics alone doesn't beat sheer mass. If Bob should beat Ronnie because of aesthetics as you say, where do you draw the line?
yes but aesthetics aren't even considered anymore at the olympia...shouldn't they count for a thing?
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The point there was that aesthetics alone doesn't beat sheer mass. If Bob should beat Ronnie because of aesthetics as you say, where do you draw the line?
Paris was not a small competitor he competed at 235-240 pounds at his best plus he had aesthetics , one shouldn't trump the other its the best compromise of all.
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http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006olympia_pre_men154.jpg (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-1881271-10409943?url=http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006olympia_pre_men154.jpg)
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006olympia_pre_men265.jpg (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-1881271-10409943?url=http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006olympia_pre_men265.jpg)
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Yes they should. So if we are going based on who has the best overall combination of:
(1) Size
(2) Condition
(3) Proportion
(4) Stature
Who would the best be? Victor Martinez? Bodybuilding contests haven't been judged like that for a long time. Think back to Rich Gaspari at the 1986 Pro Mr. World. He was the best, but not for the combination of reasons described above. In his case, muscularity and overall impressiveness gave him the win. For Jay in 2006 it was a size and conditioning combination.
As for some of the other comments on this thread, how can anyone take the man who has one of the widest rear lat spreads ever and say he is not in the same class as Yates? It's as if you guys aren't giving him any credit at all. Dorian trumps him on conditioning, but Jay has him on width. Side by side, neither "destroys" the other or anything of that sort.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006olympia_pre_men154.jpg (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-1881271-10409943?url=http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006olympia_pre_men154.jpg)
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006olympia_pre_men265.jpg (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-1881271-10409943?url=http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006olympia_pre_men265.jpg)
factor in Yates had better conditioning and a better back , much better sweep to his lats , Jay would be wider but by how much? Yates at a similar weight
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After looking at these pictures, I have to take back my statement that Jay is clearly superior in the rear lat spread. Not due to Dorian's hardness though, as I already knew he was harder, but I didn't realize just how big Dorian's lat spread was. I remember it not being as big as Ronnie's, and this year Jay had Ronnie's beat in terms of size. If anything, that just goes to show how far Ronnie has regressed, sadly. :-\
But Jay appears to have Dorian in calves and his back is round and full. Put them side by side and Dorian by no means would be dwarfing Jay, but the hardness might give him the edge.
;) similar weight
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Jay's calves better than Dorian's :-\ dude..put down the crack pipe.
It's truly laughable that we are even debating this. Jay is nowhere near Ronnie or Dorian at their bests. In fact, in my opinion, Jay is a disgrace to the heritage of the Mr. Olympia. With his wide, saggy waist, and super soft and poor condition, Jay has actually regressed the sport.
You are seriously dumber than suckymyass and that is saying a lot :-\
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LOL!!! @ my own comment.
I meant Jay has Dorian on hamstrings, not calves. Edited.
Jay's calves as good as they are, are not better than Dorian's. Matarazzo had better calves than Dorian though.
By the way, if Jay had the same conditioning as Rich Gaspari, I don't think you would say a comparison to Dorian is silly.
Hams?
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Look at the size difference in this picture:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=116253.0;attach=131737;image)
You just won't budge at all on your opinion will you, you close minded ****! (no offense). It seems no matter how many times Team Coleman concedes with any of your points you won't look at your refrigerator god as anything less than perfect.
I never claimed he was perfect
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Do you think he could beat Bob Paris and Frank Zane?
Absolutely , however I think Flex 1993 ASC would beat Yates !
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So in a contest at their bests, this would be the result (yes or no?):
1. Flex Wheeler
2. Dorian Yates
3. Bob Paris
4. Frank Zane
5. Ronnie in 2003
based on the IFBB criteria
Flex
Dorian
Ronnie
Paris
Zane
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I think Ronnie at his best (either AC or 99 O. depending on your preference) could beat them all.
lats would help to take out flex 93
overall quality would take out Yates 93..
just look at how amazing Ronnie was:
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I think Ronnie at his best (either AC or 99 O. depending on your preference) could beat them all.
lats would help to take out flex 93
overall quality would take out Yates 93..
just look at how amazing Ronnie was:
LMFAO overall quality , bitch tits is a quality?
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And Shawn Ray at his best to round out the top six?
No Shawn Ray would place ahead of Paris & Zane !
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=116253.0;attach=131782;image)
for all those not involved in the 'other thread' - this picture is not real.
the color has been tampered with to make ronnie look harder and dryer.
please disregard.
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for matt c, please think before you make totally incorrect statements. in this case jay's back is anywhere near this.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy62.jpg)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=116253.0;attach=131782;image)
for all those not involved in the 'other thread' - this picture is not real.
the color has been tampered with to make ronnie look harder and dryer.
please disregard.
to those not involved in the other thread:
by now, you probably realize that IceCold is mentally retarded.
Please disregard..
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I had forgotten that Dorian's knockout back pose was his rear lat spread - for some reason I was thinking it was his rear double biceps. His rear double biceps was good, but was not as dominant as his rear lat spread.
Condition aside, Jay's back is definitely as wide or wider as Dorian's however.
nope, it still isnt.
if guys like nasser, dillet, fux, kevin, coleman, etc, werent wider in the back than yates, jay certainly isnt.
yates won the olympia fair and square.
jay won after beating a pathetic version of ronnie.
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to those not involved in the other thread:
by now, you probably realize that IceCold is mentally retarded.
Please disregard..
time to prove you wrong on a different thread.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=116253.0;attach=131782;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=131327;image)
everyone, see how much darker coleman is in the first pic.
the collection of pictures represent what is on you tube, the dvd, vhs, pictures, etc.
the 1st pic reflect no other documentation related to the 99 olympia.
just take a look at the background.
why is it so dark?
why is ronnie darker?
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Ronnie is definitely wider than Yates.
Which Olympia(s) are you referring to?
the ones they competed against.
coleman was only wider in 03 and 04.
but even then their width was pretty close. overall, yates has a larger structure.
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You are seriously dumber than suckymyass and that is saying a lot :-\
But I'm more intelligent than you, so how stupid does that make you? ;) By the way, considering the number of arguments that you have parroted from me at the truce thread, I find this statement of yours utterly bizarre.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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read Matt's review about Yates lol he said Yates was nothing special from the front lol he had probably the best front latspread and ab-thigh in the sport , yet he was nothing special from the front !! lol Matt is another guy who is like Hulkster they can't figure Yates out so he must be overrated .
He also said that comparing Dorian to Ronnie is the same as comparing him to Ronnie. I have seen his pics, and he wouldn't win a local NPC show. The fact that he has the audacity to compare himself to the Mr.Olympia with the greatest number of straight-firsts scores ever goes to show how seriously we should consider his opinions. ::)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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But I'm more intelligent than you, so how stupid does that make you? ;) By the way, considering the number of arguments that you have parroted from me at the truce thread, I find this statement of yours utterly bizarre.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Hey, go ahead and live out your internet fantasies...everybody can see through your bullshit.
I highly doubt you are more intelligent than me...otherwise you would be at the least on my level academically and professionally, which you are not.
:)
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I think you are misconstruing the meaning of what I'm saying to make my argument sound as though I'm comparing myself to Dorian. I'm saying that Ronnie is so clearly ahead of Dorian that debating it would be like debating that I am better than Ronnie - what I mean is there is no debate. Although my opinion has changed since the beginning of the truce thread, I still wouldn't put Dorian in Ronnie's caliber.
PS, why are you being rude? No flame, just curious.
Matt,
Suckmyass's reading comprehension is extremely poor, if you cannot already tell. The truce thread is full of his garbage in which he makes all kinds of false claims, and then harasses other members verbally and by PM when he is trumped (which is about every other page, check it yourself).
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I think you are misconstruing the meaning of what I'm saying to make my argument sound as though I'm comparing myself to Dorian. I'm saying that Ronnie is so clearly ahead of Dorian that debating it would be like debating that I am better than Ronnie - what I mean is there is no debate. Although my opinion has changed since the beginning of the truce thread, I still wouldn't put Dorian in Ronnie's caliber.
PS, why are you being rude? No flame, just curious.
That's exactly what I implied. The distance that separates you from Dorian Yates is infinitely greater than the distance that separates Dorian from Ronnie. Your analogy was hyperbolic to the point of being ridiculous. Dorian might actually be ahead of Ronnie, so you made a fool of yourself when you implied that Ronnie was as much greater than Dorian as he is than you. Get it?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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suckmymuscle: aren't you and pobrecito both on Team Yates? ???
No, Pobrecito just follows mine and NarcissisticDeity's lead. He has no thought of his own. This has been mentioned several times at that thread.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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It's not that I'm saying the difference is the same, but that in both cases there really is not a comparison.
Forget about the fact I used me. Let's replace the comparison to me with that of Frank Zane for example. In both the cases of Frank and Dorian, I don't think either compares favourably to Ronnie for the overall - although Dorian is clearly closer than Frank.
How you had the stupidity combined with the audacity to say that Ronnie is as far ahead of Dorian as he is from you is baffling. He won the super-bowl of bodybuilding six time, whereas you are a nerd who owns a bodybuilding website. Using Zane as another example also sucks, because Dorian is also far ahead of him physique-wise, at least in terms of mass. Matt C, I'll finish this with the classic line that I've said a dozen times before: you are a moron. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I'm not saying you can always sway the opposition in a debate, but what do you expect to accomplish using the debating techniques you employ? IQ doesn't matter as much as EQ when it comes to debating subjective matters. As I said, I'm not saying it's always possible to change the opinion of other parties, but insulting them is a surefire way to make them cling on to their beliefs even more.
And once again, while Dorian is closer to Ronnie than Frank Zane or myself or almost anyone else for that matter, I still think Ronnie is far enough ahead of him that a comparison seems almost silly.
This is exactly my point: since the difference between Dorian and Ronnie is actually very small, there is a debate. Making an analogy using yourself as an example is implying that Ronnie was infinitely superior to Dorian, which is retarded. What version of him is far ahead of Dorian? None. His 2003 version might have a great advantage in size, but he also had a distended gut - there goes the symmetry round - and he looked bloated when compared to Dorian's outrageous conditioning. Bodybuilders have been known to defeat others who had a size advantage of 50 lbs, so I think that Dorian at his best would have a great chance of defeating the 2003 Ronnie, because he had so many advantages over Ronnie in other areas. As for Ronnie in his 1998/9/0/1/2 forms, please...it is the Ronnie side who have to take the defensive side here and justify how Ronnie could possibley defeat a bodybuilder who was more muscula and conditioned than him, with the added bonus of not having Ronnie's symmetrical liabilities. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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jays lat spread was wider than yates if not better but wider nonetheless..
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all you yates ass lickers and coleman ass lickers don't know shit about bodybuilding..here is big jay dwarfing the shit out of connie coleman
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all you yates ass lickers and coleman ass lickers don't know shit about bodybuilding..here is big jay dwarfing the shit out of connie coleman
it couldn't possibly be due to the fact that Jay is standing closer to the camera? I guess he could have grown taller than Ronnie for that show. I've heard it's quite common for a person to magically grow 3-4 inches in a day. ::)
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it couldn't possibly be due to the fact that Jay is standing closer to the camera? I guess he could have grown taller than Ronnie for that show. I've heard it's quite common for a person to magically grow 3-4 inches in day. ::)
keep whining dickseminole..your pimp is getting owned there
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keep whining dickseminole..your pimp is getting owned there
yeah, okay shithead. You claimed that Jay is dwarfing Ronnie based on 2 pics where he's standing closer to the camera. Jay could never make Ronnie look small, not in a million years.
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yeah, okay shithead. You claimed that Jay is dwarfing Ronnie based on 2 pics where he's standing closer to the camera. Jay could never make Ronnie look small, not in a million years.
heres jay dwarfing ronnie for millions of years...closer to the camera my ass
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closer to the camera my ass...coleman dwafed by none other than MR OLYMPIA JAY CUTLER
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heres jay dwarfing ronnie for millions of years...closer to the camera my ass
alright, I'll try to make this as simple as possible for you to understand. Jay is 5' 9" while Ronnie is 5' 11". In the pics you posted, Jay looks as tall or taller than Ronnie. Therefore, Jay is standing closer to the camera which makes him appear larger than he really is. Ronnie is taller and weighs more than Jay. There's no way in hell Jay dwarfs Ronnie.
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alright, I'll try to make this as simple as possible for you to understand. Jay is 5' 9" while Ronnie is 5' 11". In the pics you posted, Jay looks as tall or taller than Ronnie. Therefore, Jay is standing closer to the camera which makes him appear larger than he really is. Ronnie is taller and weighs more than Jay. There's no way in hell Jay dwarfs Ronnie.
jay is 274lbs at 5.9,your bitch coleman is 297lbs at 5.11..pound for pound jay pwns your bitc ronnie..so keep whining
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jay is 274lbs at 5.9,your bitch coleman is 297lbs at 5.11..pound for pound jay pwns your bitc ronnie..so keep whining
dude, are you high? Just curious b/c your posts don't make any sense. I disagreed with your comment that Jay is dwarfing Ronnie, and you accused me of whining.
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the shadow - are you saying that neo-semen-ole swallows the sperm of Ronnie Coleman? ???
He wants to but Hulkster already did the job ;)
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dude, are you high? Just curious b/c your posts don't make any sense. I disagreed with your comment that Jay is dwarfing Ronnie, and you accused me of whining.
For whatever reason, Ronnie's back was sub par this year...
Face it dude, Jay's back dwarfed Ronnie this year...
Not as much detail, but he was wider, by a long shot.