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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: Stark on January 06, 2007, 01:01:46 PM
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Okay let's lift the myth about white bread.
Fact is that white bread offers lacklister nutrition, fact is also that you can eat white bread if it is part of a stable wholesome diet.
Let's assume you have Oats for breakfast, brown rice for dinner you know you can get away with a sandwich in the middle of the day.
Here is were that myth that white bread is bad comes from:
White bread is in general high of glycemic 400 calories of white bread digests quickly and of course the rise of the blood glycemic is higher than brown wholesome bread.
High blood glucose triggers the blood to secrete insulin that in return is responsible to carry the sugar out of your blood.
As we all know, insulin can stimulate hunger and maybe triggers fat storage... so looking mainly at these points white bread is indeed a bad idea..... but only if you are overweight untrained/fit person to begin with.
If you are (as most here at getbig ::) ) a physically fit person your muscles will store the sugar from the digested bread as glycogen and the need for much much less insulin is required (than a unfit/overweight person) to full fill this task.
On top of that you can rest assure that active people can in general handle high glycemic food way better and don't need to worry at all about the glycemic effect of the food.
So stop being afraid of white bread, it is certainly not a very good foodsource, but it also does not deserve the stigmata it has.
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I agree totally brother.....good read! jay
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I aint afraid of no white bread!
But the other day there was a wholewheat seed loaf coming in my direction, and I crossed the street to avoid it...
I dont mess with them.
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Am I the only person who thinks wholemeal breads taste nicer? And Stark, living in Ireland, you should be eating potato bread three times a day! :D
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too much text. wrong board.
not gonna read that.
ps. i eat anything i want. always have. always will.
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yeah Bluto and im sure you have the same physique as ron.....Train Hard Brothers! jay cutler
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too much text. wrong board.
not gonna read that.
ps. i eat anything i want. always have. always will.
no white bread for you fatty ;)
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too much text. wrong board.
not gonna read that.
ps. i eat anything i want. always have. always will.
Including your favorite, the sasauge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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no white bread for you fatty ;)
white bread doesnt do shit
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Okay let's lift the myth about white bread.
Fact is that white bread offers lacklister nutrition, fact is also that you can eat white bread if it is part of a stable wholesome diet.
Let's assume you have Oats for breakfast, brown rice for dinner you know you can get away with a sandwich in the middle of the day.
Here is were that myth that white bread is bad comes from:
White bread is in general high of glycemic 400 calories of white bread digests quickly and of course the rise of the blood glycemic is higher than brown wholesome bread.
High blood glucose triggers the blood to secrete insulin that in return is responsible to carry the sugar out of your blood.
As we all know, insulin can stimulate hunger and maybe triggers fat storage... so looking mainly at these points white bread is indeed a bad idea..... but only if you are overweight untrained/fit person to begin with.
If you are (as most here at getbig ::) ) a physically fit person your muscles will store the sugar from the digested bread as glycogen and the need for much much less insulin is required (than a unfit/overweight person) to full fill this task.
On top of that you can rest assure that active people can in general handle high glycemic food way better and don't need to worry at all about the glycemic effect of the food.
So stop being afraid of white bread, it is certainly not a very good foodsource, but it also does not deserve the stigmata it has.
Good post except for this small but hilarious typo ;D
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i eat close to 15slices of white bread a day
also always eat wtf i want i dont care
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Good post except for this small but hilarious typo ;D
So Im guess you don't know what a Stigmata is? Google it my friend ;)
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i eat close to 15slices of white bread a day
Can you quickly type out your daily diet? I love bread, but I don't know how I could fit in 15 slices a day.
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Can you quickly type out your daily diet? I love bread, but I don't know how I could fit in 15 slices a day.
5 roasted with breakfast. a few to lunch. a few along with protein after training. a few to dinner. and a cup of hot chocolate at night in front of getbig so you can dip it in the hot chocolate and you can have jam and stuff on it
there
that wasnt so hard.
enjoy
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Good post except for this small but hilarious typo ;D
Good catch D-man. Didn't notice it the 1st time through. Maybe white bread is/was the choice of Padre Pio and the rest of his capuchin brethren. :)
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Affraid of white bread,
But won't mind running frying their organs on drugs.
Vanity at all cost.
Woooooooshhhhhhhh
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Can you quickly type out your daily diet? I love bread, but I don't know how I could fit in 15 slices a day.
now bear in mind im still young and growing etc.
but 6x for breakfast and generally 6 before bed.
throw in a few either as part of post workout or pre workout sandwich. bingo its easily done.
when i was at school, for school alone my mum made me my lunch. it was 12 sandwiches on top of all the regular shit and all the crap i bough goin to, at and coming back from school. toast it aswell.
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So Im guess you don't know what a Stigmata is? Google it my friend ;)
your turn first!! ;D
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your turn first!! ;D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmata
http://www.mgm.com/stigmata/
Not so stupid after all huh? And no typing error as well :o :o
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The only kind of bread my kids will eat is white bread.
Why would anyone be afraid of white bread?
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http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/105185/the_truth_about_white_bread.html
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too much text. wrong board.
not gonna read that.
ps. i eat anything i want. always have. always will.
manly dark sausage eh Blut's?
ta ta
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I have not eaten white bread since the 60's ;D ;D
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmata
http://www.mgm.com/stigmata/
Not so stupid after all huh? And no typing error as well :o :o
stigma is the word you're looking for. "Stigmata" are bodily marks, sores, or sensations of pain in locations corresponding to the crucifixion wounds of Jesus Christ, whereas a "stigma" is not necessarily physical in nature; a mark of disgrace or infamy; a stain or reproach, as on one's reputation.
So there it is.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmata
http://www.mgm.com/stigmata/
Not so stupid after all huh? And no typing error as well :o :o
Are you kidding me? lol I am pretty sure I was correct, however, if you wish to disagree that is perfectly fine with me ;)
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http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/105185/the_truth_about_white_bread.html
Good link thanks
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So Im guess you don't know what a Stigmata is? Google it my friend ;)
Dorkeroo is right. The word you're looking for is 'stigma'. 'Stigmata' are the markings in the palm of the hand of one who was crucified. No one ever uses 'stigmata' in the manner in which you used it.
EDIT: Didn't see the Wiki link or haider's post until reading further down. I apologize for the repeat.
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The only kind of bread my kids will eat is white bread.
Why would anyone be afraid of white bread?
Absolutely no redeeming qualities in white bread.
At least Sara Lee (and some others) have come up with something more nutritious.
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Absolutely no redeeming qualities in white bread.
At least Sara Lee (and some others) have come up with something more nutritious.
Wonder also makes a whole grain white bread.
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http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/105185/the_truth_about_white_bread.html
It's hard to argue with this article (anecdotal evidence supplied by others above notwithstanding).
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exactly...I'm not afraid of white bread though,i just prefer whole wheat or rye or basically any bread that isn't white bread.these guys trying to justify there white bread consumption are hilarious.only time I'd even consider eating any would be post workout.
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I was looking to start a new thread, but maybe you can shed some light.
White bread doesn't have a lot of sugar in it...maybe 5 grams a slice. But there's 30 grams of carbs per slice. I'll assume it's coming from starch.
My question is, why does it rank so high on the glycemic index if there's relatively a small amount of sugar to begin with?
I'm asking because I'm going to use white bread and jam as a post workout carb source for a few weeks. Usually I go by sugar amount, using Gatorade. I'm wondering how many slices of bread should do the trick, but again..there's not much sugar. Should I just use the overall carb amount instead of direct sugar grams?
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Okay let's lift the myth about white bread.
Fact is that white bread offers lacklister nutrition, fact is also that you can eat white bread if it is part of a stable wholesome diet.
Let's assume you have Oats for breakfast, brown rice for dinner you know you can get away with a sandwich in the middle of the day.
Here is were that myth that white bread is bad comes from:
White bread is in general high of glycemic 400 calories of white bread digests quickly and of course the rise of the blood glycemic is higher than brown wholesome bread.
High blood glucose triggers the blood to secrete insulin that in return is responsible to carry the sugar out of your blood.
As we all know, insulin can stimulate hunger and maybe triggers fat storage... so looking mainly at these points white bread is indeed a bad idea..... but only if you are overweight untrained/fit person to begin with.
If you are (as most here at getbig ::) ) a physically fit person your muscles will store the sugar from the digested bread as glycogen and the need for much much less insulin is required (than a unfit/overweight person) to full fill this task.
On top of that you can rest assure that active people can in general handle high glycemic food way better and don't need to worry at all about the glycemic effect of the food.
So stop being afraid of white bread, it is certainly not a very good foodsource, but it also does not deserve the stigmata it has.
no one is AFRAID of whitebread, dumbfuck
but if your dieting, its stupid as shit to eat food that are high glycemic.
even if you are eating a moderate carb/low fat diet.
...stupid shit, keep your nonsense in your own head
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Am I the only person who thinks wholemeal breads taste nicer?
yeah wheat taste better to me too.
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no one is AFRAID of whitebread, dumbfuck
but if your dieting, its stupid as shit to eat food that are high glycemic.
even if you are eating a moderate carb/low fat diet.
...stupid shit, keep your nonsense in your own head
You should be the last to say that, Mr No-toothpaste. :-X :-X
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yeah wheat taste better to me too.
Yep. White bread is probably my least favourite. I prefer multigrain breads and stuff. Much nicer i think.
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Yep. White bread is probably my least favourite. I prefer multigrain breads and stuff. Much nicer i think.
I hate white bread. Tastes like paper. ;D
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You should be the last to say that, Mr No-toothpaste. :-X :-X
bvitch squadfather slandered me, i never advocated a no-toothpaste diet
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bvitch squadfather slandered me, i never advocated a no-toothpaste diet
::) ::)
So you're saying when the wind stinks in europe it's not you?
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yep, white does have a high glycemic index. So if your diabetic, you shouldn't eat it. It will cause a high blood sugar spike, follow be a crash.
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I was looking to start a new thread, but maybe you can shed some light.
White bread doesn't have a lot of sugar in it...maybe 5 grams a slice. But there's 30 grams of carbs per slice. I'll assume it's coming from starch.
My question is, why does it rank so high on the glycemic index if there's relatively a small amount of sugar to begin with?
I'm asking because I'm going to use white bread and jam as a post workout carb source for a few weeks. Usually I go by sugar amount, using Gatorade. I'm wondering how many slices of bread should do the trick, but again..there's not much sugar. Should I just use the overall carb amount instead of direct sugar grams?
Glycemic index is calculated by how quickly blood sugar rises after consumption (based on 50 grams of whatever food on an empty stomach)(that's why you can't base everything on GI). White bread raises blood sugar very quickly, even faster than table sugar, that's why its GI is higher.
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Glycemic index is calculated by how quickly blood sugar rises after consumption (based on 50 grams of whatever food on an empty stomach)(that's why you can't base everything on GI). White bread raises blood sugar very quickly, even faster than table sugar, that's why its GI is higher.
...so if I were to use white bread as a post workout carb, since I don't have any sugar grams to count, should I just use the total carb count in grams of the bread? Since the only carbs in the white bread are 'fast' carbs, can I treat them essentially as 'sugar' grams...usually I have around 100 grams of simple carbs via Gatorade but I'd like to change some things up. Any tips?
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::) ::)
So you're saying when the wind stinks in europe it's not you?
im not im not familiar with that expression...
Glycemic index is calculated by how quickly blood sugar rises after consumption (based on 50 grams of whatever food on an empty stomach)(that's why you can't base everything on GI). White bread raises blood sugar very quickly, even faster than table sugar, that's why its GI is higher.
no, glycemic index is a rating of the amount of carbs in one serving of the food. the glycemic LOAD is the rating of how a food effects blood sugar.
for example, a carrot has a high GI, because of its sugar content. but a carrot has a low GL because of its fiber content that slows the digestion/absorbtion of the sugar.
...so if I were to use white bread as a post workout carb, since I don't have any sugar grams to count, should I just use the total carb count in grams of the bread? Since the only carbs in the white bread are 'fast' carbs, can I treat them essentially as 'sugar' grams...usually I have around 100 grams of simple carbs via Gatorade but I'd like to change some things up. Any tips?
yeah, you could use white bread postw orkout, but your better off, in my opinion, with liquid carbohydrates. im not sure, but i think that gatorade is half sucrose, half dectrose...your much better off with a pure dextrose product, or even better, a waxy maize starch. but yeah, white bread will work too.
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bvitch squadfather slandered me, i never advocated a no-toothpaste diet
No he didn't slander you. Slander involves verbal defamation, whereas libel (what he allegedly did to you) involves the written word; you are thus a victim of libel and not slander.
You should seriously consider getting an education Cumdrizzle.
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im not im not familiar with that expression...
no, glycemic index is a rating of the amount of carbs in one serving of the food. the glycemic LOAD is the rating of how a food effects blood sugar.
for example, a carrot has a high GI, because of its sugar content. but a carrot has a low GL because of its fiber content that slows the digestion/absorbtion of the sugar.
yeah, you could use white bread postw orkout, but your better off, in my opinion, with liquid carbohydrates. im not sure, but i think that gatorade is half sucrose, half dectrose...your much better off with a pure dextrose product, or even better, a waxy maize starch. but yeah, white bread will work too.
I've tried straight dextrose...made me wanna vomit!...thanks for the ideas though.
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no one is AFRAID of whitebread, dumbfuck
but if your dieting, its stupid as shit to eat food that are high glycemic.
even if you are eating a moderate carb/low fat diet.
...stupid shit, keep your nonsense in your own head
no need to be so aggressive..god..
white bread is lame for teh dietz though and those vultures at the marketing companies sure hit it big when they thought of "LETS JUST DYE THE BREAD BROWN" gimmick, so make sure you get the dark dark dark seeded ones (i like them better anyway)
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no, glycemic index is a rating of the amount of carbs in one serving of the food. the glycemic LOAD is the rating of how a food effects blood sugar.
for example, a carrot has a high GI, because of its sugar content. but a carrot has a low GL because of its fiber content that slows the digestion/absorbtion of the sugar.
Incorrect.
This from the Linus Pauling Institute
Measuring the Glycemic Index of Foods
To determine the glycemic index of a food, volunteers are typically given a test food that provides 50 grams of carbohydrate and a control food (white bread or pure glucose) that provides the same amount of carbohydrate on different days (2). Blood samples for the determination of glucose are taken prior to eating and at regular intervals after eating over the next several hours. The changes in blood glucose over time are plotted as a curve. The glycemic index is calculated as the area under the glucose curve after the test food is eaten, divided by the corresponding area after the control food is eaten. The value is multiplied by 100 to represent a percentage of the control food. For example, a baked potato has a glycemic index of 76 relative to glucose and 108 relative to white bread, which means that the blood glucose response to the carbohydrate in a baked potato is 76% of the blood glucose response to the same amount of carbohydrate in pure glucose and 108% of the blood glucose response to the same amount of carbohydrate in white bread (3). In contrast, cooked brown rice has a glycemic index of 55 relative to glucose and 79 relative to white bread (4). In the traditional system of classifying carbohydrates, both brown rice and potato would be classified as complex carbohydrates despite the difference in their effects on blood glucose levels.
Physiological Responses to High- versus Low-Glycemic Index Foods
By definition, the consumption of high-glycemic index foods results in higher and more rapid increases in blood glucose levels than the consumption of low-glycemic index foods. Rapid increases in blood glucose are potent signals to the beta-cells of the pancreas to increase insulin secretion (2). Over the next few hours, the high insulin levels induced by consumption of high-glycemic index foods may cause a sharp decrease in blood glucose levels (hypoglycemia). In contrast, the consumption of low-glycemic index foods results in lower but more sustained increases in blood glucose and lower insulin demands on pancreatic beta-cells (5).
Glycemic Load
The glycemic index compares the potential of foods containing the same amount of carbohydrate to raise blood glucose. However, the amount of carbohydrate consumed also affects blood glucose levels and insulin responses. The glycemic load of a food is calculated by multiplying the glycemic index by the amount of carbohydrate in grams provided by a food and dividing the total by 100 (1). Dietary glycemic load is the sum of the glycemic loads for all foods consumed in the diet. The concept of glycemic load was developed by scientists to simultaneously describe the quality (glycemic index) and quantity of carbohydrate in a meal or diet.
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nope...ahaha... princess.. glycemic index is a very shitty way of looking at foods... trust me..use my carrot example... HIGH GI, but LOW GL... what actually matters? what matters is insulin. plain and simple....thats what it all boils down to. how does a carbohydrate effect your insulin levels. and the GI is in no way an indication as to how a carbohydrate is going to effect slin levels. the GL, however, is a DIRECT indication as to how a carb will effect insulin levels.
the GI is straight from the mouth of those rat bastard FDA fools. how many grams of sugar are in a given unit of food ...same type of thinkign as "calories in vs. calories out"...= LOAD OF BULLSHIT!!
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Nothing new here.
White bread linked to heart disease
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23349006-36398,00.html
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nope...ahaha... princess.. glycemic index is a very shitty way of looking at foods... trust me..use my carrot example... HIGH GI, but LOW GL... what actually matters? what matters is insulin. plain and simple....thats what it all boils down to. how does a carbohydrate effect your insulin levels. and the GI is in no way an indication as to how a carbohydrate is going to effect slin levels. the GL, however, is a DIRECT indication as to how a carb will effect insulin levels.
the GI is straight from the mouth of those rat bastard FDA fools. how many grams of sugar are in a given unit of food ...same type of thinkign as "calories in vs. calories out"...= LOAD OF BULLSHIT!!
but its not, its usually on a scale of 1-10 integers, and as you know Candidate, there is alot more to food than a rating - good luck getting an 'energy boost' from carrots.. the sugar in carrots is pretty low, and theres not much to it.. basically water + sugar (and packed full of vitamins).
oh and caloric consumption vs caloric intake is a good place to start if you're looking to lose fat :)
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but its not, its usually on a scale of 1-10 integers, and as you know Candidate, there is alot more to food than a rating - good luck getting an 'energy boost' from carrots.. the sugar in carrots is pretty low, and theres not much to it.. basically water + sugar (and packed full of vitamins).
oh and caloric consumption vs caloric intake is a good place to start if you're looking to lose fat :)
you made my point for me! the carrot has a high GI, but a low GL. if you went by the gi, then you WOULD think that you could get an energy boost from a carrot.
YEAH, SURE... calories in vs. calories out... how do you take into account protein calories, essential fat calories, carbohydrate calories when uyou have depleted glycogebn stores..? or how abouteating some almonds in the morning, and then 5 hours later eating a high glycemic meal>? how does that effect calories in vs. calories out?? HUH???
YOU FUCKING MORON!!!
think about it
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I wasn't contesting your idea really.. lol don't call me a moron thats no way to make freinds now.
I think you're also being a little extreme here Candizzle, i'm always open to advice.. but if you want to number crunch, sure. I'd rather just use a logical system of prescription - e.g. high-moderate GI carb sources before high-extreme energy expenditure activity, and the same soon after, then when activity decreases.. lowering the GI intake, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to think about this.
Oh and, are you trying to make a point by saying carrots can be more significant that most people think while dieting because they are 'high GI'? I highly doubt carrots are something to be afraid of, unless you ate 3lbs of the things.
I suppose our trains of thought are different.. because you want to live as a bodybuilder, i want to live practically.. building muscle is part of my lifestyle, but it isn't my life. I prefer to start the day with a low GI but calorie-dense carb source.. whole wheat cereal and a green tea. I have more problems with my energy levels as it is.. i avoid high GI foods ALWAYS unless it's before or after anything that involves muscle breakdown for me.
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you made my point for me! the carrot has a high GI, but a low GL. if you went by the gi, then you WOULD think that you could get an energy boost from a carrot.
YEAH, SURE... calories in vs. calories out... how do you take into account protein calories, essential fat calories, carbohydrate calories when uyou have depleted glycogebn stores..? or how abouteating some almonds in the morning, and then 5 hours later eating a high glycemic meal>? how does that effect calories in vs. calories out?? HUH???
YOU FUCKING MORON!!!
think about it
By the way.. if you eat often, and your diet is fairly rich in carbs and protein then you won't deplete your Glycogen stores for fucks sake, anyone who eats pre and post workout won't have any problems with this, unless you live off pork crackling.
EDIT - I have to ask one more thing in the bolded part, i really do wonder what you're getting at.. are you saying that calories in vs calories out, between sleeping patterns (i.e. a 14-16 hr concious day) isn't a total and final number to be worked off? i know the body doesn't calculate the deficit while sleeping and just 'minus' the fat for the next day, but any shitkicker with half an idea about energy systems knows that individual prescription is just that.. individual, you can't talk specifics here Candidizzle.
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I think white bread is not nearly as filling as wheat or multigrain.
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...soooo....
...anybody wanna suggest how many slices of white bread one might have after a workout that would simulate a good insulin response? Four slices sound about right?