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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: realkarateblackbelt on January 08, 2007, 06:28:57 PM
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Now that Rampage is coming to the UFC, I predict Rampage will brutally destroy Chuck the same way he did in pride. Chuck was losing so bad, the referee had to stop the fight in the second round to save his ribs from breaking.
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Chuck more than held his own in the first round. You're a fucking retard. If they were to fight today, Chuck would win.
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He didn't win the first round. And even if he did, that still doesn't change the fact that the fight was stopped because chuck was whincing in pain from the heavy hands of Rampage hahahahah!!!!
Now he's come to the UFC to finish off your hero.
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I have watched that fight alot. IMO I thought it was a great fight and Rampage had an awesome gameplan but the fact is that Rampage has not been the old Rampage for a while. Still can't wait to see this fight lets see if old 'Page comes out to play when they fight. Either way 2007 is going to have some interesting fights...
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ive said this several times before so ill say it again:
i.) Rampage back then was alot stronger and more formidable than the Rampage we see today
ii.) Rampage is well suited to the Pride format
iii.) Chuck has improved to be the best LHW in the world
iv.) Chuck is perfectly suited for the Octagon
I see Chuck winning this fight, not sure how but he will do it convincingly i believe. Im willing to back that up anyway you see fit
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im pretty sure rampage is stronger now becuase he finally started doing weights, but to be sure he used to be alot more explosive (ie power, not strength)... explosive power tends to peak at about 22 years old, strength doesnt peak till youre near 40 ... hell follow in vitors footsteps and i cannot see him beating chuck (though his game is better suited to a cage)
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Chuck was losing so bad, the referee had to stop the fight in the second round to save his ribs from breaking.
I think that Chuck's corner threw the towel in to stop the fight.
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im pretty sure rampage is stronger now becuase he finally started doing weights, but to be sure he used to be alot more explosive (ie power, not strength)... explosive power tends to peak at about 22 years old, strength doesnt peak till youre near 40 ... hell follow in vitors footsteps and i cannot see him beating chuck (though his game is better suited to a cage)
Any proof of this explosive power peaking at 22 years old, or is this just another scientific study that no one's ever heard of?
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explosive power is immense for younger fighters: early Vitor and BJ are the best 2 UFC examples i can think of right now. That doesnt necessarily mean that their ability to burst with raw power peaks in their early 20's. Some fighters can peak 28-30 if they train the right way and have the natural ability to do so. Its a shame for the fighters who do peak at 21-22 however because they fight on for the next 15 years living off their old name, i.e. Vitor!
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explosive power is immense for younger fighters: early Vitor and BJ are the best 2 UFC examples i can think of right now. That doesnt necessarily mean that their ability to burst with raw power peaks in their early 20's. Some fighters can peak 28-30 if they train the right way and have the natural ability to do so. Its a shame for the fighters who do peak at 21-22 however because they fight on for the next 15 years living off their old name, i.e. Vitor!
I think it has more to do with desire than anything when it comes to Vitor.
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explosive power is immense for younger fighters: early Vitor and BJ are the best 2 UFC examples i can think of right now. That doesnt necessarily mean that their ability to burst with raw power peaks in their early 20's. Some fighters can peak 28-30 if they train the right way and have the natural ability to do so. Its a shame for the fighters who do peak at 21-22 however because they fight on for the next 15 years living off their old name, i.e. Vitor!
yeah they can peak later, but that statement is somewhat misleading; biologically their body is best suited for explosive power in its early twenties (ie peak) ... but you can make up for your diminishing potential by training harder with plyo and shit
still when you take guys like vitor who were alredy training hard, there is no way they can ever be as good asthey were when they peaked ... tyson (asdie from the fact he stopped training hard) would be anohter example of this, maybe vince carter too
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it's hilarious how people think rampage is washed up after losing to shogun and wandy (probably the two best) and chuck is the best in the world after knocking out over the hill couture and lousy strikers like ortiz, babalu, and horn ::)
as for vitor, he never had "it"
just because he was fighting at a young age doesn't mean he was ever destined for greatness
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actually fag we thinks hes washed up cause the old rampage used to knock motherfuckers out and teh new rampage looked like shit in his decision victories over lindland, dong sik yoon and ninja .... in addition to losing to shogun and wandy
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actually fag we thinks hes washed up cause the old rampage used to knock motherfuckers out and teh new rampage looked like shit in his decision victories over lindland, dong sik yoon and ninja .... in addition to losing to shogun and wandy
lindland had a much more impressive win over horn you muscleless, pale, ugly, deliverance banjo playing lookalike fag ;D
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if couture thought he still had it he wouldn't have retired after a knockout loss
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ive said this several times before so ill say it again:
ii.) Rampage is well suited to the Pride format
iv.) Chuck is perfectly suited for the Octagon
I see Chuck winning this fight, not sure how but he will do it convincingly i believe. Im willing to back that up anyway you see fit
Agree with scimowser on these two points. Chuck will be a lot harder to take down in the cage than he is in a ring. He is a notorious "wallwalker." Lindland is no slouch, Page gutting out a win is more of an indication of Matt's ability versus a verdict on Page's downfall. As boring (I call it technical) as Lindland can be. He has some pretty big wins against good competition. He recently TKOed Jeremy Horn, TKOed Nino, who is as slick as they get on the ground. Subbed Mike Van Arsdale, one of the top wrestlers in MMA, and submitted Travis Lutter, a decorated submission grappling champion. I still see Chuck as the favorite, it just matters which guy(s) show up. If Chuck gets pushed into the later rounds, I can see Q grinding out a UD, or getting the TKO. If Chuck can backpedal and throw bombs, look out.
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lindland had a much more impressive win over horn
Yeah, but that's the same Horn that Liddell literally beat blind (temporary). I will say that I hope UFC does the smart thing and sets this up as Chuck's next fight, assunming Rampage beats Eastman in strong fashion...Eastman holds an old victory over a young Rampage at KOTC. Have they had a rematch since then, or is this the first?
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if and when they do fight it will be a great fight to say the least. right now though i give the advantage to chuck
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Agree with scimowser on these two points. Chuck will be a lot harder to take down in the cage than he is in a ring. He is a notorious "wallwalker."
I noticed that, too. Chuck has gotten really good at getting back to his feet once he's been taken down. Another point to consider is that the UFC has been standing the fighters up more and more quickly, also favoring Chuck.
If I had to bet, I'd go with Chuck, but I still give Jackson a good shot, if he's motivated. He has definitely faced the superior competition. It's not even close.
And people here make it seem as though he's old. He's 28. If anyone's skills will decline by the time they fight, it's Chuck's.
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??? Chuck is only 37. What are you saying about old guys. (I got a tourney coming up in a week). I hope Page is on his game. I want to see a competitive fight.
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??? Chuck is only 37. What are you saying about old guys. (I got a tourney coming up in a week). I hope Page is on his game. I want to see a competitive fight.
I got one coming up in two weeks and I'm older than you. I'm competing in the "Executive" division, which is a nice term for "Over the hill".
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it's hilarious how people think rampage is washed up after losing to shogun and wandy (probably the two best) and chuck is the best in the world after knocking out over the hill couture and lousy strikers like ortiz, babalu, and horn ::)
as for vitor, he never had "it"
just because he was fighting at a young age doesn't mean he was ever destined for greatness
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hahahahaa
But Earl, Chuck has dramitically improved!!!!!!!
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You're absolutely right. Chuck is always fed these sub-par strikers with decent wrestling ability, that are afraid to trade blows with him. He's never really been tested in the UFC by a good standup guy.
Rampage will dominate him standup or on the ground, the same as he did last time.
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hahahahaa
But Earl, Chuck has dramitically improved!!!!!!!
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You're absolutely right. Chuck is always fed these sub-par strikers with decent wrestling ability, that are afraid to trade blows with him. He's never really been tested in the UFC by a good standup guy.
Rampage will dominate him standup or on the ground, the same as he did last time.
your always saying how everyone is busy hugging chuck's nuts. I'm suprised you can type with as much time as you spend rubbing spray painted baseballs and chanting Rampage's name... Bottom line Chack is the champ. Rampage needs to come with his A game if he plans on winning. I wouldnt be suprised to see Eastman put up a good fight against Rampage.. My cousin trains at the same gym he does in Vegas and my family says he looks pretty damn good. So lets just see im saying Rampage shows up ready to do business he might have a chance but this isnt his house, it is Chacks though... So we shall see, but my money is on Chuck TKO 2nd round...
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I wouldnt be suprised to see Eastman put up a good fight against Rampage.. My cousin trains at the same gym he does in Vegas and my family says he looks pretty damn good.
what pro fighter doesn't look good in a gym?
if rampage struggles with a bum like eastman then i'll say he's on decline but then again rampage I feel is one of those guys who doesn't train hard when he knows he's fighting a subpar fighter
oh and can somebody explain to me how chuck has improved and what you base that on besides knocking out an old man that knows he doesn't have it anymore ::)
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oh and can somebody explain to me how chuck has improved and what you base that on besides knocking out an old man that knows he doesn't have it anymore ::)
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Can you explain to me how Rampage is anywhere near as good as he was when he beat Chuck? ::)
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Can you explain to me how Rampage is anywhere near as good as he was when he beat Chuck? ::)
haha I knew it wouldn't be too long before you defended a ufc golden boy ::)
I asked first, how is rampage all of a sudden worse in his late 20's and how is chuck better in his late 30's?
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haha I knew it wouldn't be too long before you defended a ufc golden boy ::)
I asked first, how is rampage all of a sudden worse in his late 20's and how is chuck better in his late 30's?
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I'm a Rampage fan but I'm curious as to how you can explain this. If you can't, you're just coming off like a hypocrite which wouldn't be surprising.
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Rampage lost to much better competition. He hasn't shown any signs of deteriorating ability. He's an upper-mid level guy in Pride, and that's enough to beat Chuck. Twice! Wanderlei would destroy Chuck like nothing at all.
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I'm a Rampage fan but I'm curious as to how you can explain this. If you can't, you're just coming off like a hypocrite which wouldn't be surprising.
I already explained just because rampage lost to arguably the best in the world in wandy and shogun doesn't mean he is all of a sudden a can and just because chuck knocks out wrestlers and jui jitsu guys with barely mediocre striking (if that) doesn't mean he has improved
now for THE 3RD TIME HOW HAS CHUCK IMPROVED?
and do you even know what the word "hypocrite" means? ::)
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Rampage lost to much better competition. He hasn't shown any signs of deteriorating ability. He's an upper-mid level guy in Pride, and that's enough to beat Chuck. Twice! Wanderlei would destroy Chuck like nothing at all.
haha but chuck knocked out tito who dominated a legend like ken shamrock :D
none of them can tell me how chuck has improved, they're just repeating what every other jackass at sherdog says ::)
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You're exactly right.
Chuck beat up some old guys that retired soon after, and Tito "lord of the cans" Ortiz. ::)
That's all Chuck does is beat up these wrestlers with mediocre striking skills. Ortiz is the lord of the cans, it's no big deal that he beat him. Chuck is going to get beat and I love it, only because people like Beserkerfairy are so obsessed it's sickening.
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Okay, time to play devil's adovcate. Like I, and many others have always contended, styles makes fights.
Chuck matches up really well with wrestling/jits based fighters. Particularly in the cage. When Chuck has fought striking based fighters, he hasn't been able to KO, or TKO them with regularity. Chuck was getting as good as giving against Mezger, up until he caught Mezger. Likewise, Overeem was killing Chuck on his feet prior to eating a big right hand.
Amar and Murillo both gave Chuck a tough fight. Both of these fighters have good tight structures that are willing to stay on their feet and trade. Rampage will be content to stand and trade with Chuck. He has better striking than Tito, a better chin, and can slip as well as shield (Tito's fatal flaw). Page lost to 2 Chute Boxe fighters in Wandy and Shogun. Wandy beat Page in the clinch with knees, something that Chuck does not do. Shogun punished Page, but he is one of the better strikers currently out of Chute Boxe. In any case, it should be interesting. I hope to see a competitive fight, but as a betting man, I would still take Chuck to win. (Retrospectively, Page wins dull decisions against grappling based fighters like Dong Yong Sik, Bustamante, Matt Lindland) BTW, he should have lost to Ninja.
For those who say Chuck hasn't improved, he definitely has. His footwork has gotten a lot better. He was cutting good angles setting up his looping overhands and uppercuts. This is one of the reasons he is able to keep his hands so low, and remain flat on his feet. When Tito threw a straight right, Chuck would be somewhere else, and counterpunches.
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Chuck Liddell = King of Sprawl and Brawl. I'm a big Rampage mark, but he's got his work cut out for him...
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Chuck Liddell = King of Sprawl and Brawl. I'm a big Rampage mark, but he's got his work cut out for him...
Mirko Fillopivic=King of the Sprawl and Brawl. >Chuck Liddell.
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Chuck has improved IMO though the following points:
1. Most importantly he has CONFIDENCE. Being champion has ridden his mind of any self doubt he may have had. It gives fighters a sense of invincibility and you can see the swagger they have when theyre champ.
2. His take down defence is untouchable. Ok he has been taken down in the past, name a fighter who hasnt in as many fights? But every fight allows him to master his current skills and try new things, and he has a take down defence that is practically impenetrable now.
3. His gameplan is solid with every fight he has. He doesnt chase the guys he knows are a threat to him, he simply waits for an optimal opening and finishes them - or causes them serious damage with his power.
4. He has adapted to the Octagon better than alot of his opposition, Rampage is entering a new world there. He has excellent ring awareness and can use it to his advantage no matter where he is.