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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: rccs on January 10, 2007, 08:45:56 AM
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I these pics ilustrate their best conditions. Hard to tell who's significantly superior. 3 physiques 3 different work and drug usage methods.
Who is the best?
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Ronnie is more aesthetic so he must win it.
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Cutler doesn't even belong in the argument if you're talking about peak conditions.
As far as Ronnie vs Dorian, I think that may have already been covered....
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Ronnie. Jay and Dorian are close for muscularity, but Dorian is harder.
Jay Cutler makes Dorian look like Flex Wheeler.
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I these pics ilustrate their best conditions. Hard to tell who's significantly superior. 3 physiques 3 different work and drug usage methods.
Who is the best?
Are you kidding? It's obviously Ronnie from those pics.
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Clearly Dorian is the best.
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Jay doesn't even come close.
Ronnie and Dorian can be debated, but Jay? Nice shape, for a fridge.
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If all BB were judged at thier PEAKS, Ronnie and Dorian would be 1 & 2.....Jay wouldnt make top 20. Seriously.
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If all BB were judged at thier PEAKS, Ronnie and Dorian would be 1 & 2.....Jay wouldnt make top 20. Seriously.
Yup.
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someone is missing calves out of the three.
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ahahahhaa, dorian doesnt even have a bicep in that picture, his arm just goes straight into his forarm, hahaha someone is missing an arm.
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take water and bone out of the equation...
Dorian wins hands down...
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ahahahhaa, dorian doesnt even have a bicep in that picture, his arm just goes straight into his forarm, hahaha someone is missing an arm.
yea that is weird!!!
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ahahahhaa, dorian doesnt even have a bicep in that picture, his arm just goes straight into his forarm, hahaha someone is missing an arm.
thats after his bi tear...Dorian won his first few with a full body
ronnie was never born with calves... :-\
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Thats a bad pic of Dorian to show for his peak.
That shadow fucks up his bicep pic.
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thats after his bi tear...Dorian won his first few with a full body
ronnie was never born with calves... :-\
Yates tore his left bicep, not his right bicep, just to point that out.
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Ronnie just plain outclasses the two. No if's and but's about it.
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Jay looks good here
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Ronnie just plain outclasses the two. No if's and but's about it.
I think so, even though he didn't win this year he is the best bber of all time so far.
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Yates one-biceps has nothing to do here.
He's the worst Mr.O with Dickerson...
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Yates tore his left bicep, not his right bicep, just to point that out.
yeah...and his left bi is smaller..
or r you unaware of lateral inversion?
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8)
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Yates one-biceps has nothing to do here.
He's the worst Mr.O with Dickerson...
Read thread topic :
At their peaks.
To compare Dorian and Dickerson is like comparing Ronnie and Kamali.
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As far as Ronnie vs Dorian, I think that may have already been covered....
Whereabouts, no one told me ?.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=117595.0;attach=133566;image)
Seriously, I don't think it gets much better than that. IMO only two guys in history can claim a better physique than that.
SERGIO!!!!
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Neither can match this
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More
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Ronnie spanks both of them. Hate it or love it.
First of all, his symmetry is much better than eithier of the two. Ronnie has a small hips, big arms, wide back and shoulders while Cutler has wide hips, wide shoulders and arms that don't match up. Dorian is not in the ball park on this one.
Second, Ronnie wins when it comes to size hands down.
Third, I would say Dorian and Ronnie at there best are tied in conditioning while Cutler is slightly behind.
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Ronnie spanks both of them. Hate it or love it.
First of all, his symmetry is much better than eithier of the two. Ronnie has a small hips, big arms, wide back and shoulders while Cutler has wide hips, wide shoulders and arms that don't match up. Dorian is not in the ball park on this one.
Great Post!
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Ronnie spanks both of them. Hate it or love it.
First of all, his symmetry is much better than eithier of the two. Ronnie has a small hips, big arms, wide back and shoulders while Cutler has wide hips, wide shoulders and arms that don't match up. Dorian is not in the ball park on this one.
Second, Ronnie wins when it comes to size hands down.
Third, I would say Dorian and Ronnie at there best are tied in conditioning while Cutler is slightly behind.
Sure he does .......sure he does ::) do you even know what symmetry is? and what it means in bodybuilding? its balance & proportion and Ronnie isn't better balanced than Yates and never was
second of all Ronnie is lucky if he ' tied ' Dorian for conditioning when he was 244 pounds but his conditioning at Dorian's weight leaves a lot to be desired
do you even know the rules in which bodybuilding contests are judged? obviously not based on your opinion , based on the IFBB judging criteria Ronnie couldn't beat Dorian and neither could Jay.
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LOL ND is melting down because a newcomer can apply the criteria better than he can ;)
ND you should take some bodybuilding classes from dredlock rasta.
they might help 8)
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LOL ND is melting down because a newcomer can apply the criteria better than he can ;)
ND you should take some bodybuilding classes from dredlock rasta.
they might help 8)
he doesn't even know it , he's like you , you apply some of the criteria and ignore a host of others in favor of Yates and claim an empty victory , its nothing lol
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LOL ND is melting down because a newcomer can apply the criteria better than he can ;)
ND you should take some bodybuilding classes from dredlock rasta.
they might help 8)
so hulkster is going to accept the opinon of some newb, but ignore paul dillet, shawn ray, flex wheeler, nasser el sonbaty, numerous judges, people who make a living writing about and reviewing contests, etc.
LOSER
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he doesn't even know it , he's like you , you apply some of the criteria and ignore a host of others in favor of Yates and claim an empty victory , its nothing lol
Also, If things ever get tight, you've always got the comeback "How many times did Ronnie defeat Dorian for the Mr Olympia ?". I think the scoreboard reads 4-0 Dorian.
SERGIO!!!!
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Seriously, what are you guys looking at?
All three have shit physiques,
Excluding his arms, ronnies upper body is a disaster from the front, its just bulky muscle all over the place
Dorian has no arms and just like ronnie, front upper body is not the nicest
Jay, pretty much all shit
All guys have good poses here and there but thats not what it should be about, it shouldn't be about body parts or whos got the most muscle, the whole physique with symmetry, conditioning, size, proportion, etc should be looked at. There should be a balance. Look at Melvin Anthony, Levrone, Ray and especially Flex wheeler, minor flaws here and there but those guys physiques have IMO close to perfect physiques and kill these three piles of shit.
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Seriously, what are you guys looking at?
All three have shit physiques,
Excluding his arms, ronnies upper body is a disaster from the front, its just bulky muscle all over the place
Dorian has no arms and just like ronnie, front upper body is not the nicest
Jay, pretty much all shit
All guys have good poses here and there but thats not what it should be about, it shouldn't be about body parts or whos got the most muscle, the whole physique with symmetry, conditioning, size, proportion, etc should be looked at. There should be a balance. Look at Melvin Anthony, Levrone, Ray and especially Flex wheeler, minor flaws here and there but those guys physiques have IMO close to perfect physiques and kill these three piles of shit.
Yates dominated all your boys ;)
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Yates dominated all your boys ;)
According to who?
The same guys that keep giving the olympia to the biggest guy on stage right, nice. The same judges have been there forever and seem to give the guy with the most mass(mainly the back) the olympia, and once he gets it he can never be beaten even though its clear that guys have beaten him. Yeah Ronnie got beat, wasnt it clear why when Jay gave his speech? I wouldnt give it to either of them. Thats why DOrian "donminated" them. Funny how you say dominated, when thier scores are based on judges with preferences. Its not like an armwrestling match where you can dominate somebody, its a bunch of guys looking at somebody giving their personal opinion (following the judging criteria is not important).
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thats after his bi tear...Dorian won his first few with a full body
ronnie was never born with calves... :-\
he didnt tear the right arm.
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Ronnie has a great back, Cutlers' back is coming into its own. Dorians' inner back is unbeatable. PERIOD.
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(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianMissingArm.jpg)
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For what I see Dorian is in the lead...
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bodybuilding judging is subjective not objective.
Narc D, bodybuilding expert, how are you gonna say a man with a cow belly, wide hips, small arms (torn biceps), and little quad sweep has better symmetry than a man with small hips, a tight waist, huge arms with beautiful biceps peaks, wide shoulders, and crazy quad sweep? Come on mon. There is no way on earth. Ronnie just has Dorian outgunned in the genetics department. He is much more aesthetic than Dorian.
The Arnold vs. Sergio topic is much more debatable than Ronnie vs. Dorian.
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Nice pics NarcissisticDeity.
That was Dorian at his best. No one touches Dorian's conditioning and back. It's a tie between Dorian and Ronnie
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its not a tie, what is everyone looking at. dorians quads have no seperation, and his arms blow. he had a wider waist then ronnie and less taper. hi delts are not a striated nor detailed as ronnies. Even on back i beleive ronnie wins, but it could honestly go either way on the two main poses.Hams and glutes ronnie clearly wins, its not even up for debate. so dorians dryness, makes up for lack of detail, seperation and proportion,taper and asthetics? ronnie also has rounder muscle bellies and in all a much more pleasing physique at his prime.
who is better ronnie or dorian, discuss.
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Game over.. ;D
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Yates with one of of the worst all-time most-musculars getting killed:
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game over Ronnie ;)
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The best 8)
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Ronnie, then Dorian. Jay doesn't belong in the discussion.
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Ronnie, then Dorian. Jay doesn't belong in the discussion.
jay belongs in a warehouse
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jay belongs in a warehouse
Along with the bricklayer.
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Along with the bricklayer.
dorian is better than gutler...
gutler has no vascularity...and has brought nothing new to the table...
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dorian is better than gutler...
gutler has no vascularity...and has brought nothing new to the table...
Definitely better.
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its not a tie, what is everyone looking at. dorians quads have no seperation, and his arms blow. he had a wider waist then ronnie and less taper. hi delts are not a striated nor detailed as ronnies. Even on back i beleive ronnie wins, but it could honestly go either way on the two main poses.Hams and glutes ronnie clearly wins, its not even up for debate. so dorians dryness, makes up for lack of detail, seperation and proportion,taper and asthetics? ronnie also has rounder muscle bellies and in all a much more pleasing physique at his prime.
fantastic post!
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at least dorian went to a gym.
that's more than anyone can say about you pumpster.
go back to your bowflex
and stop banning people from the training forum who call you out about training advice while you are in your parents basement on your bowflex.
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Come on mon. There is no way on earth. Ronnie just has Dorian outgunned in the genetics department. He is much more aesthetic than Dorian.
what you said is true.
however, that didnt help ronnie with his genetic and asethetics when he faced dorian for 7 years and the closest he got to him was at the 96 Olympia, where dorian got another perfect score and ronnie got 6th place.
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Along with the bricklayer.
Said the expert... ;D ::)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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bodybuilding judging is subjective not objective.
Narc D, bodybuilding expert, how are you gonna say a man with a cow belly, wide hips, small arms (torn biceps), and little quad sweep has better symmetry than a man with small hips, a tight waist, huge arms with beautiful biceps peaks, wide shoulders, and crazy quad sweep? Come on mon. There is no way on earth. Ronnie just has Dorian outgunned in the genetics department. He is much more aesthetic than Dorian.
The Arnold vs. Sergio topic is much more debatable than Ronnie vs. Dorian.
Dorian at his best smokes Ronnie in the balance & proportion department , he smokes Ronnie in hardness & dryness , he smokes Ronnie in density , and spare me the aesthetics claim if you were talking about Flex maybe that would mean something and ironically enough Flex couldn't touch Yates despite his outstanding shape & aesthetics , neither could anyone else
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i think we should have a debate on who is better, Ronnie or Dorian.
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LOL dredlock owns ND yet again.
and ND keeps right on babbling stuff about balance and proportion that only he believes... ::)
dredlock summed it up beautifully:
how are you gonna say a man with a cow belly, wide hips, small arms (torn biceps), and little quad sweep has better symmetry than a man with small hips, a tight waist, huge arms with beautiful biceps peaks, wide shoulders, and crazy quad sweep? Come on mon. There is no way on earth. Ronnie just has Dorian outgunned in the genetics department. He is much more aesthetic than Dorian.
well said.
and very obvious:
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LOL dredlock owns ND yet again.
and ND keeps right on babbling stuff about balance and proportion that only he believes... ::)
dredlock summed it up beautifully:
how are you gonna say a man with a cow belly, wide hips, small arms (torn biceps), and little quad sweep has better symmetry than a man with small hips, a tight waist, huge arms with beautiful biceps peaks, wide shoulders, and crazy quad sweep? Come on mon. There is no way on earth. Ronnie just has Dorian outgunned in the genetics department. He is much more aesthetic than Dorian.
well said.
and very obvious:
You live in this fantasy world where the rules don't apply but there are rules in physique contests and they favor Yates
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.
Dorian depending on the year has the edge in muscular bulk
1998 Ronnie 249 pounds - Dorian 260 pounds
1999 Ronnie 257 pounds - Dorian 260 pounds ( and one inch shorter )
2001 Ronnie 244 pounds - Dorian 260 pounds
2003 Ronnie 287 pounds - Dorian 260 pounds ( edge to Ronnie )
Balanced development - Dorian period , end of sentence NO debate
Muscular Density - Yates
Definition which is conditioning - Yates , Ronnie may have come close in 98/01 but he was smaller than a 260 pound Yates
There are rules and they favor Dorian
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Dorin being 5'10 is BS BTW.
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At their peaks, Ronnie hands down.
Between Yates and Cutler, it is the Shadow, hands down. (Not the Kal Penn shadow, btw)
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LOL dredlock owns ND yet again.
and ND keeps right on babbling stuff about balance and proportion that only he believes... ::)
dredlock summed it up beautifully:
how are you gonna say a man with a cow belly, wide hips, small arms (torn biceps), and little quad sweep has better symmetry than a man with small hips, a tight waist, huge arms with beautiful biceps peaks, wide shoulders, and crazy quad sweep? Come on mon. There is no way on earth. Ronnie just has Dorian outgunned in the genetics department. He is much more aesthetic than Dorian.
thanks mon
well said.
and very obvious:
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In Jays defense here....he is like 10 years younger than Ronnie. Jay at 33 vs Ronnie at 33 isnt even a contest. Jay would blast him. Ronnie at 33 competed at ~250lbs....Jay at 33 competes at 274lbs....and is considerably shorter. Ronnie didnt have cut hams and glutes before 1998 (age 35). So Jays got a lot of improvement to look foward to.
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Along with the bricklayer.
Look at his left bicep or lack of it. And this is a guy who won four Mr. O after the tear? Give me a break.
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Look at his left bicep or lack of it. And this is a guy who won four Mr. O after the tear? Give me a break.
yawn another baseless claim these two pics are 93/94 respectively Dorian's biceps post-tear is maybe 1/2 shorter if you're lucky and thats just shorter from the bicep to the forearm NOT around his biceps post tear were virtually the same with the exception of one being a tad shorter than the other , you guys with this missing arm nonsense
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yoru just kidding right, that 2nd pic looks like it a 15'' arm suffering from palumboism! that pic is sad. id take jays right are over that poop any day!
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Isn't it great how everyone is rightfully putting dorian well below Ronnie?
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Isn't it great how everyone is rightfully putting dorian well below Ronnie?
Well most people are like you , ignorant and base their opinions on personal preference , there is criteria and it favors Yates reguardless of what you think looks better ;)
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Well most people are like you , ignorant and base their opinions on personal preference , there is criteria and it favors Yates reguardless of what you think looks better ;)
no, most people know what the judges look for:
shape, detail, vascularity, taper etc etc.
its more than just mass:
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no, most people know what the judges look for:
shape, detail, vascularity, taper etc etc.
its more than just mass:
You will never be able to counter this ;)
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.
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You will never be able to counter this ;)
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.
yes, and we have 850 pages showing how dorian looked good up close and alone, but lost most of his flare when standing next to monsters, like.... Lee Labrada.. ::)
(http://www.dohertysgym.com/public_html/emAlbum/albums/Bodybuilding%20Classics/Dorian%20Yates%201992%20Photos%20by%20TD/Posedown.jpg)
(http://www.dohertysgym.com/public_html/emAlbum/albums/Bodybuilding%20Classics/Dorian%20Yates%201992%20Photos%20by%20TD/TopSix1.jpg)
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yes, and we have 850 pages showing how dorian looked good up close and alone, but lost most of his flare when standing next to monsters, like.... Lee Labrada.. ::)
(http://www.dohertysgym.com/public_html/emAlbum/albums/Bodybuilding%20Classics/Dorian%20Yates%201992%20Photos%20by%20TD/Posedown.jpg)
(http://www.dohertysgym.com/public_html/emAlbum/albums/Bodybuilding%20Classics/Dorian%20Yates%201992%20Photos%20by%20TD/TopSix1.jpg)
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Yawn the judges made their decision based on the criteria and Yates was above & beyond the clear winner , learn the criteria kid , its your friend , well not its not lol it actually works against your argument lol