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Arnold Championed California against giving Illegal aliens drivers licenses when he first ran.
And won on it.
Now he wants to give them all free health insurance, even though many trauma centers are
Closing every year in L.A.. Even though the State is 30 billion in debt.
Arnold is an idiot politician, just like the rest. We can see Shriver "the kennedy's" now really run
California. I guess with all that dbol, arnold really did lose his balls,
What a freak.
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he is an idiot...
i have some credit card company calling me every day telling me i owe 2 grand from i card i used 2 yrs ago in iowa or something...WTF...i've never fucking been there...
i just KNOW some mexican bought himself a flat screen on my SS # >:(
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Identity theft is huge Dont know many who havent experienced it in some way. >:( ??? :-\
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It will save the State 10 BILLION DOLLARS!!!!
Arnold is the man. Everyone should have Free Healthcare.
At least Bob Chick won`t have to pretend anymore that the Bodybuilders have healthcare.
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I have to agree- Arnold has changed his positions with the political winds every year he has been in office. Monster disappointment. Won't leave much of a legacy at this rate, though, and trying to make everyone happy just makes no one happy. Of course, Maria could be a big part of the problem, too.
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Arnold is the man. Everyone should have Free Healthcare.
no they shouldn't..if it comes down to me or some ilegal mexican dying..
i'd do the mexican in with my own bare hands...i hear they taste like chalupas..
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It will save the State 10 BILLION DOLLARS!!!!
Arnold is the man. Everyone should have Free Healthcare.
At least Bob Chick won`t have to pretend anymore that the Bodybuilders have healthcare.
Now I know you don't know you're ass from a whole in the ground. You probabley have never even been to california.
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It will save the State 10 BILLION DOLLARS!!!!
Arnold is the man. Everyone should have Free Healthcare.
At least Bob Chick won`t have to pretend anymore that the Bodybuilders have healthcare.
I am very curious about something Adonis. Do you actually think you look good from a muscular standpoint?
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I'm all over the illegal problem and spend a lot of time yelling about it but this isn't it... I support the minuteman project and some border fence advocacy groups but Lou Dobbs was wrong on this issue. Basically the attack on Arnold is because illegals will be able to take advantage of this. Well they already take advantage of the system leaving taxpayers with the bill. With this the tax payers save some money. It's about all the citizens of California, not the illegals. Lou and others just glommed onto this issue from the illegal perspective. Well, fix the illegal problem. Not an insurance proposal meant to benefit the citizens of California. Oh and you can't call a politician who actually does try to work with both sides a turncoat. That's the guy he claimed to be all along...
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I have to agree- Arnold has changed his positions with the political winds every year he has been in office. Monster disappointment. Won't leave much of a legacy at this rate, though, and trying to make everyone happy just makes no one happy. Of course, Maria could be a big part of the problem, too.
beaners are happy , too.
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Arnold Championed California against giving Illegal aliens drivers licenses when he first ran.
And won on it.
Now he wants to give them all free health insurance, even though many trauma centers are
Closing every year in L.A.. Even though the State is 30 billion in debt.
Arnold is an idiot politician, just like the rest. We can see Shriver "the kennedy's" now really run
California. I guess with all that dbol, arnold really did lose his balls,
What a freak.
Arnold is the only Republican still standing and unlike the rest, his popularity is on the rise NATION WIDE.
read the papers.
woooooooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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woooooooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Xena ???
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I have to agree- Arnold has changed his positions with the political winds every year he has been in office. Monster disappointment. Won't leave much of a legacy at this rate, though, and trying to make everyone happy just makes no one happy. Of course, Maria could be a big part of the problem, too.
Not really, if you know anything about him he's only returned to his usual moderate social positions following a failed attempt at something more severe a year or two ago. This moderate progressive approach will be continued, is much more in line with California's constituents & his own views as a European, and will be popular. The health care thing's right out of Canadian/Euro approaches. His progressive approaches are sadly lacking with most other very predictable in-the-box American politicians.
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Republicans in California are more liberal than Southern Democrats. California is a huge welfare state, and if you want to survive politically, you can't pass conservative laws. Every time he tries to pass something that doesn't favor socialism, he drops in the polls. There's really not much he can do if he expects to stay in office.
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Politics and Bodybuilding ::)
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Adonis, how will giving everybody incl illegal immigrants health care save CA $? Seriously, is there some angle looking at the costs of long term care or something?
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Adonis, how will giving everybody incl illegal immigrants health care save CA $? Seriously, is there some angle looking at the costs of long term care or something?
because the state foots the bill for uninsured people who can't pay the bill. Arnold is saying they're already paying for the uninsured, might as well save some money and insure them which will have the insurance companies picking up a good part of the bill. I don't know the details yet, probably businesses are going to flip out over it and scream they'll go broke ::) I think they said, the hospitals, business and the state will share in covering everyone.
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Republicans in California are more liberal than Southern Democrats. California is a huge welfare state, and if you want to survive politically, you can't pass conservative laws. Every time he tries to pass something that doesn't favor socialism, he drops in the polls. There's really not much he can do if he expects to stay in office.
Therein lies the problem- staying in office by pandering as opposed to providing real leadership is, or ought to be, embarrassing. Arnold gained popularity during his first year in office by bypassing the legislature when they wouldn't play ball. He overextended on his ballot initiatives the following year and got smacked down for it, but I respected him more at the time for standing up for something he said he believed in.
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Therein lies the problem- staying in office by pandering as opposed to providing real leadership is, or ought to be, embarrassing.
What's embarassing is your lack of comprehension of his core values, which are now on display. The things he's doing now-environment, health care, infrastructure-are completely consistent with what he's always been about.
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What's embarassing is your lack of comprehension of his core values, which are now on display. The things he's doing now-environment, health care, infrastructure-are completely consistent with what he's always been about.
So Arnold was either pandering in the beginning of his term, or he's pandering now...which is it? Either way, it should be embarrassing.
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Therein lies the problem- staying in office by pandering as opposed to providing real leadership is, or ought to be, embarrassing. Arnold gained popularity during his first year in office by bypassing the legislature when they wouldn't play ball. He overextended on his ballot initiatives the following year and got smacked down for it, but I respected him more at the time for standing up for something he said he believed in.
You must realize that Arnold has bigger plans. He has no intension on staying at state level, he's ready for the big prize - the President. He is the kind of man that is always reaching for something higher, and although he's not legally eligible to be the president, I assure you it's possible. He is doing what he does best - succeeding. And in this case it means pandering to the voters. There is no politician who doesn't do the same thing, at least not one that's going to survive. You must do what your voting base wants, and there's nothing embarrassing about that. In all reality, he is doing an outstanding job considering his job consists of keeping the people happy. Not many people could have pulled off what he has. He's a staunch republican that became the governor of the most liberal state in our country. On top of that, he got reelected. The man is a walking success story.
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You must realize that Arnold has bigger plans. He has no intension on staying at state level, he's ready for the big prize - the president. He is the kind of man that is always reaching for something higher, and although he's not legally eligible to be the president, I assure you it's possible. He is doing what he does best - succeeding. And in this case it means pandering to the voters. There is no politician who doesn't do the same thing, at least not one that's going to survive. You must do what your voting base wants, and there's nothing embarrassing about that. In all reality, he is doing an outstanding job considering his job consists of keeping the people happy. Not many people could have pulled off what he has. He is a staunch Republican that became the governor of the most liberal state in our country. On top of that, he got reelected. The man is a walking success story.
I'm not demeaning his success, and I have no doubt he's after a larger prize; however, Arnold ran as a pro business, fiscal conservative with a centrist social agenda, which is what I believe propelled him to office. I'm not seeing a lot of fiscal conservatism in the plans he continues to announce, and it's certainly not going to inspire new business to come to California, outside of companies providing infrastructure improvements, i.e. construction.
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So Arnold was either pandering in the beginning of his term, or he's pandering now...which is it? Either way, it should be embarrassing.
Wait.... your saying, doing what the public wants, which HE IS ELECTED TO DO, is embarrassing? I don't understand your thinking here... If I elected him, and he did 180* of what the public wanted, I would be pissed.
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I'd like to think that those we elect use their own values to make decisions, as opposed to always looking to the public (read:polls) for what to do next. I might not always agree with what they do, but at least I know they're willing to stand up for themselves, even if it's not popular to do so.
I don't see how Arnold wins either way, though- either he panders (my opinion) or he becomes a victim of his own hubris (GWB)- glad I'm not a politician.
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I'd like to think that those we elect use their own values to make decisions, as opposed to always looking to the public (read:polls) for what to do next. I might not always agree with what they do, but at least I know they're willing to stand up for themselves, even if it's not popular to do so.
I don't see how Arnold wins either way, though- either he panders (my opinion) or he becomes a victim of his own hubris (GWB)- glad I'm not a politician.
Ok, I got you. I would do the same, but the problem is, no politicians have their own values anymore. They say what people want to hear until they get into office, and/or it's reelection time. :(
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I'm not demeaning his success, and I have no doubt he's after a larger prize; however, Arnold ran as a pro business, fiscal conservative with a centrist social agenda, which is what I believe propelled him to office. I'm not seeing a lot of fiscal conservatism in the plans he continues to announce, and it's certainly not going to inspire new business to come to California, outside of companies providing infrastructure improvements, i.e. construction.
California is a lost cause, and he knows it. Many people, such as you and I, know what his roots are. We know what he would do if he had any other chance. I would not hesitate to vote for him if he ran for president (if he was legally eligible). Believe me, I see where your coming from, but he's just not going to be able to do jack in California. It will just slip deeper and deeper into socialist society.
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So Arnold was either pandering in the beginning of his term, or he's pandering now...which is it? Either way, it should be embarrassing.
This is the "real" version, as much as he's able to be sincere. The other version was an embarassing continuation of his movie roles ("we'll kick butt"), which he discovered the hard way didn't work in reality.
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California is a lost cause, and he knows it. Many people, such as you and I, know what his roots are. We know what he would do if he had any other chance. I would not hesitate to vote for him if he ran for president (if he was legally eligible). Believe me, I see where your coming from, but he's just not going to be able to do jack in California. It will just slip deeper and deeper into socialist society.
I am not a fan of that state. You're right, it is bordeline socialism.
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California is a lost cause, and he knows it. Many people, such as you and I, know what his roots are. We know what he would do if he had any other chance. I would not hesitate to vote for him if he ran for president (if he was legally eligible). Believe me, I see where your coming from, but he's just not going to be able to do jack in California. It will just slip deeper and deeper into socialist society.
No idea why you think that. Thanks to a bigger than expected budget surplus coupled with borrowing, he'll be able to make a substantial difference in a state badly in need of overhaul.
Also don't understand why "boarderline socialism" is bad, when clearly the American model's not such a great one these days. Bottom line the Canadian/Euro socialist models work better for the average person right now.
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Real Estate value and property taxes had more to do with the budget surplus than anything Arnold has done- as the real estate boom cycles down, those property tax revenues stand to decline as well, and then we will be sitting on a tremendous deficit brought on by inflated budget projections.
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No idea why you think that. Thanks to a bigger than expected budget surplus coupled with borrowing, he'll be able to make a substantial difference in a state badly in need of overhaul.
Also don't understand why "boarderline socialism" is bad, when clearly the American model's not such a great one these days. Bottom line the Canadian/Euro socialist models work better for the average person right now.
The American model is a great one. It's the same model that propelled us in a few hundred years to the top of the economic food chain, not to mention the largest super-power. Kind of hard to argue that.
It's the kind of model that allows anyone who is willing to work their ass off enjoy the fruits of their labor. The "average" person has more opportunities in American than anywhere else in the world. With all that oppertunity, why should someone who sits on his or her ass enjoy the money I busted my mine for? Sorry Charlie, not while I can vote
Our problem is we now have more and more people who aren’t contributing to the system, but are still receiving. Those people love the socialist model. The rest of us taxpayers think it sucks.
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Arnold is the man. Everyone should have be given a chance to get medical help when something goes wrong.
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Arnold is the man. Everyone should have be given a chance to get medical help when something goes wrong.
He's not proposing anything that hasn't been thought of before but it would be nice to see it happen for a change, and would probably add momentum to other states' efforts as well as federal initiatives for something overdue.
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No idea why you think that. Thanks to a bigger than expected budget surplus coupled with borrowing, he'll be able to make a substantial difference in a state badly in need of overhaul.
Also don't understand why "boarderline socialism" is bad, when clearly the American model's not such a great one these days. Bottom line the Canadian/Euro socialist models work better for the average person right now.
You must be kidding, where's your evidence for that? France?? I hardly think the most powerful economy in the world needs advice from Europe on how to operate. Please give me an example of any economy where 'borderline socialism' has been successful.
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You must be kidding, where's your evidence for that? France?? I hardly think the most powerful economy in the world needs advice from Europe on how to operate. Please give me an example of any economy where 'borderline socialism' has been successful.
You're living in the past. The United States isn't the envy of many right now in many aspects, including quality of life.
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LOS ANGELES — Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is in constant pain as a result of his leg surgery last month, and he said Wednesday he's immersing himself in work to keep his mind off the aching injury.
"I don't think I can remember ever having had pain _ ongoing pain, 24 hours a day _ like after this operation," the actor-governor told reporters in Sacramento.
"So this is really annoying to me," he added. "The only thing when I don't have pain is when I work."
Schwarzenegger fractured his right femur _ the longest bone in the body _ in a Dec. 23 skiing accident in Idaho. Surgeons used cables and screws to repair his leg three days later in what the governor called a "very complicated" 90-minute operation.
His comments Wednesday _ his first to reporters about the mishap at the Sun Valley resort _ were an abrupt departure from prepared statements from his office that said he was "feeling great."
Recalling his misadventure on the slopes, Schwarzenegger described a fluky, slow-speed accident in which his ski failed to release from its binding, twisting his leg until it snapped.
"I had an artificial hip that was replaced around five year ago. With that, because it was vulnerable, the ski torqued the leg and it broke the femur because of that," Schwarzenegger said. "If I would have had that accident at 50 mph, which many times I've crashed at that speed, nothing happens."
"I'm working through all of this and then trying to get rid of this problem as soon as I can," he added.
Under doctor's orders, he cut back his public appearances and traveling.
Schwarzenegger used crutches to hobble around at his inauguration last week, and again when he delivered two major speeches in Sacramento this week, including his annual budget presentation Wednesday.
The broken leg is just the latest in a line of injuries for the seven-time Mr. Olympia.
He had a heart valve replaced in 1997, rotator cuff surgery in 2003 and a rapid heartbeat sent him to a hospital in 2005. One motorcycle crash in 2001 left him with several broken ribs, and another in January 2006 resulted in 15 stitches in his lip.