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Adonis talk a lot of shit from time to time, however, one topic that I would be willing to discuss and I think might have some merit is the ALL ROIDS theory - from what I can see there's a number of people coming off the roids that losts a shitload of size, so maybe he's got a point here? Or does the explanation "when they get off roids they also stop training and stop eating as much" be enough?
Just how much is ALL ROIDS?
Discuss
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Adonis talk a lot of shit from time to time, however, one topic that I would be willing to discuss and I think might have some merit is the ALL ROIDS theory - from what I can see there's a number of people coming off the roids that losts a shitload of size, so maybe he's got a point here? Or does the explanation "when they get off roids they also stop training and stop eating as much" be enough?
Just how much is ALL ROIDS?
Discuss
Prince was all roids, Flex Wheeler was all roids. Granted they went on dialysis but Tom was a college swimmer and then ballooned to 320 in the offseason. Flex was a skinny kid with good shape and started juicing at 18. I think that qualifies as all roids. Guys like Coleman and Cutler would be big without them.
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Prince was all roids, Flex Wheeler was all roids. Granted they went on dialysis but Tom was a college swimmer and then ballooned to 320 in the offseason. Flex was a skinny kid with good shape and started juicing at 18. I think that qualifies as all roids. Guys like Coleman and Cutler would be big without them.
But Flex is in decent shape these days isnt he? Kevin Levrone lost a great deal of size though.
There's other examples, some I'm afraid to post because then this thread might disappear :-\
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But Flex is in decent shape these days isnt he? Kevin Levrone lost a great deal of size though.
There's other examples, some I'm afraid to post because then this thread might disappear :-\
Flex has always had good shape but a man in his 40's should have some muscle memory. Levrone is trying to stay skinny and could bulk up easily IMO. Keep posting here. It's a good thread.
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Flex has always had good shape but a man in his 40's should have some muscle memory. Levrone is trying to stay skinny and could bulk up easily IMO. Keep posting here. It's a good thread.
Question is how Kev would look without the juice though.
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Adonis talk a lot of shit from time to time, however, one topic that I would be willing to discuss and I think might have some merit is the ALL ROIDS theory - from what I can see there's a number of people coming off the roids that losts a shitload of size, so maybe he's got a point here? Or does the explanation "when they get off roids they also stop training and stop eating as much" be enough?
Just how much is ALL ROIDS?
Discuss
typically lose 25 to 50% of your gains off any cycle.
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Question is how Kev would look without the juice though.
Prolly how he looks plus ten pounds
typically lose 25 to 50% of your gains off any cycle.
Makes sense. Tom Prince is what 160 now?
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Prolly how he looks plus ten pounds
Makes sense. Tom Prince is what 160 now?
make that 60 pounds.
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I rather we have other examples than Tom Prince considering his condition etc.
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Adonis talk a lot of shit from time to time, however, one topic that I would be willing to discuss and I think might have some merit is the ALL ROIDS theory - from what I can see there's a number of people coming off the roids that losts a shitload of size, so maybe he's got a point here? Or does the explanation "when they get off roids they also stop training and stop eating as much" be enough?
Just how much is ALL ROIDS?
Discuss
well what u see with the pro BB's is them using devastating amounts of TESt that permantly ruin their levels and they also dont give them selves time to recover---like anything else moderation is the key and many of the so called teenage gym rats use the shit that have no understanding of PCT treatments and what each product does what and how it affects the body
I dont juice but know people who have used it correctly and responsibly that were able to keep most of their gains-------
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I rather we have other examples than Tom Prince considering his condition etc.
Well alot are dead (eg. Mentzers). Dunno about Matarrazo. Levrone is still big, prolly 50 pounds under contest weight but he still has good muscles. Dorian is still pretty big. About 210-220 IMO.
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if u believe that anyone bordering 300lbs ripped isn't ALL DRUGS then ur an idiot-----pro BB has gone to far and the athletes take way too much shit
I believe many of the top Naturals are the ones who use the shit correctly and responibly and thus are able ot keep most of their gains.
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well what u see with the pro BB's is them using devastating amounts of TESt that permantly ruin their levels and they also dont give them selves time to recover---like anything else moderation is the key and many of the so called teenage gym rats use the shit that have no understanding of PCT treatments and what each product does what and how it affects the body
I dont juice but know people who have used it correctly and responsibly that were able to keep most of their gains-------
Question is though how much of those gains were due to roids and how long it would've take to get it anyway
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Question is though how much of those gains were due to roids and how long it would've take to get it anyway
I have seen many guys blow up 30 pounds on cycle and keep 10-15 max. This isn't bad for the moderate cycles.
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Question is though how much of those gains were due to roids and how long it would've take to get it anyway
many of the freak BB's at 300lbs are all drugs--thats why u see the health problems so prevalent in pro BB today
I agree some do have fantastic genetics to begin with but they are defintly not using the same amounts the normal gym rat juicer is using
remember 99.9% of the pro BB's who retire are not completely natural anyway---they are still getting test from their doctors due to the fact that they would have the test levels of my 86yr old grandma if they didnt
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Most of these "all roids" guys don't have the heart to train naturally....not all, but most. So when they come off the sauce they also stop the gym cause the results don't happen in a week anymore.
Chemically generate physiques are ultimately meaningless. They're freaky to look at, but when the plug is pulled the truth comes out. I don't care if anyone juices or not, but when I see a freaky bb loaded up on gear I don't think "awesome" I think "he got no heart to go at it alone". It's really just a party trick.
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Modern BBing is crazy and has gone too far. The amount of juice needed is too much for the year round cycles they take.
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I think if someone trains naturally for some time (years) and then runs some cycles and gets off, they will still have the motivation to train naturally. It's the guys who start juicing from the start (which I see all the time in the gym) that can't do it naturally once they're clean. They can't deal with the doing it the slow way.
The same goes for retaining size. The guys who built a good base before the juice, will have decent size when they get off. The lifetime juices are who shrink down to nothingness.
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You can't regress. People won't go to the shows.
There is a reason the Olympia and the Arnold draw a bigger crowd than the Ironman (which often rewards "asthetic" physiques), people pay to see the freaks.
Everyone who is saying to themselves, "I wish they judged the symmetrical guys more favorably. If they started doing that, I would go to the shows."
How many times have you been to the Ironman? How many natural shows do you go to?
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EVERYONE IS FUCKING WRONG UNTIL GH15 TELLS HIS SIDE OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-* ;D JK ...ITS NOT ALL ROIDS MY BUDDY SCOTT MILINE IS 337 WITH ABS AS OF RIGHT NOW AND BELIEVE ME HE DOESNT TAKE ALOT OF GEAR THATS WHY SCOTT ABLE DROPPED HIM AND WOULDNT TRAIN HIM CUZ HE WOULDNT DO THE AMOUNTS HE WANTED HIM TO....HE DOES NO MORE THEN 6IU AND SITS AROUND 3000MG A WEEK IN TEST ........YES ITS ALOT BUT FUCK ALL COMPARED TO THE "OTHER GUYS"
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EVERYONE IS FUCKING WRONG UNTIL GH15 TELLS HIS SIDE OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-* ;D JK ...ITS NOT ALL ROIDS MY BUDDY SCOTT MILINE IS 337 WITH ABS AS OF RIGHT NOW AND BELIEVE ME HE DOESNT TAKE ALOT OF GEAR THATS WHY SCOTT ABLE DROPPED HIM AND WOULDNT TRAIN HIM CUZ HE WOULDNT DO THE AMOUNTS HE WANTED HIM TO....HE DOES NO MORE THEN 6IU AND SITS AROUND 3000MG A WEEK IN TEST ........YES ITS ALOT BUT f**k ALL COMPARED TO THE "OTHER GUYS"
Yeah, he's practically natural.
I know Scott Abel, and while his amounts are a bit out there, they are generally in the ballpark, or even lower of your buddy.
Milne is a huge dude though.
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EVERYONE IS FUCKING WRONG UNTIL GH15 TELLS HIS SIDE OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-* ;D JK ...ITS NOT ALL ROIDS MY BUDDY SCOTT MILINE IS 337 WITH ABS AS OF RIGHT NOW AND BELIEVE ME HE DOESNT TAKE ALOT OF GEAR THATS WHY SCOTT ABLE DROPPED HIM AND WOULDNT TRAIN HIM CUZ HE WOULDNT DO THE AMOUNTS HE WANTED HIM TO....HE DOES NO MORE THEN 6IU AND SITS AROUND 3000MG A WEEK IN TEST ........YES ITS ALOT BUT f**k ALL COMPARED TO THE "OTHER GUYS"
Holy shit, if 3k grams is not a lot, how much do the other guys use?
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Holy shit, if 3k grams is not a lot, how much do the other guys use?
AROUND 6000MG for some reason the guys in the states its all drugs there...everyone knows that
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AROUND 6000MG for some reason the guys in the states its all drugs there...everyone knows that
I heard it was all drugs over in Europe?
Funny how it is always somewhere else...
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SAD thing is that 6000mg is only the test not including all the other shit that has to be taken ...anyway boys good thread im out gym time
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i was in the army for a good while and i trained natural the whole time i was there, up until the last 6 months. after that cycle, i kept 9 lbs. i dont think that is bad and i dont think using gear is bad either. its like an added bonus to enhance already hard training.
dudes like cutler and ronnie coleman and markus ruhl were already big and they just use that stuff to take big to new levels.
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You will never keep your gains from juicing...eventually...a ny muscle size that is above and beyond what your body would acheive naturally will disppear with a long enough time off of gear....The reason your muscles grow while on is that the drugs create a false reality chemically of how much muscle your body should have.
Supposing that you start lifting and juicing at the same time...then stop juicing and keep lifting hard core and doing everything right...you should keep all of your gains and then some until you reach you bodys maximum naturally....Whereas a pro bodybuilder with 280lbs of lean mass is going to lose muscle at the drop of a hat when those ideal conditions for muscle growth are altered.
As far as how much of the pros etc. are "all drugs" i'm sure it varies widely from person to person.....but I have a hard time believing that the top 20-30 guys in the world wouldnt be massive regardless of whether they have taken gear or not. Your natural genetic coding dictates your body type.....drugs only amplify it.
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I can only talk from experience, i have taken shitloads of drugs in the past and have ballooned from 225 natural at 6ft to 280 pound same bodyfat around 10% and have had medical problems after prolonged use, after i have stopped taking the drugs i always return to back to my natural bodyweight.I cannot hold on to my gains, so this makes me believe most Pros are on something all the time.
The pitures of Jay Cutler at 315 tend me to believe hes on year round maybe hes on a third of what he takes when preparing for a show.
As i have said i probaly have taken more roids than most pros though i do not use HGH or IGF or Slin and these drugs i believe most pros use year round keeping them at a high bodyweight.
Doctors are the most inportant statistic in bodybuilding and the use of roids safely must be adheared to.
Tom Prince obviosly did not consult a doctor and i do not buy the Advil theory in my opinion it was an abuse of diuretics when guest posing or just vanity of ridding the body of subcutanous water.
When i stop taking Anadrol A Bombs i drop about 20 pounds of water, thats my doctors opinion and with many bodybuilders do not take post cylcle therapies which i believe is the most inportant factor of a cycle.
Anyway thats my rant on roids, used properly with a doctor they are magic and feeling your body transform is exstacy.
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Tom Prince really messed himself up as did Wheeler. I like how all these guys had "preexisitng conditions" when what they really had was an overabdundance of foreign chemicals for their bodies to process.
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EVERYONE IS FUCKING WRONG UNTIL GH15 TELLS HIS SIDE OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-* ;D JK ...ITS NOT ALL ROIDS MY BUDDY SCOTT MILINE IS 337 WITH ABS AS OF RIGHT NOW AND BELIEVE ME HE DOESNT TAKE ALOT OF GEAR THATS WHY SCOTT ABLE DROPPED HIM AND WOULDNT TRAIN HIM CUZ HE WOULDNT DO THE AMOUNTS HE WANTED HIM TO....HE DOES NO MORE THEN 6IU AND SITS AROUND 3000MG A WEEK IN TEST ........YES ITS ALOT BUT f**k ALL COMPARED TO THE "OTHER GUYS"
I know Milne's source dude, he does WAY more then just test and growth.
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Tom Prince really messed himself up as did Wheeler. I like how all these guys had "preexisitng conditions" when what they really had was an overabdundance of foreign chemicals for their bodies to process.
Flex like Don Long did have genetic problems with there kidneys i cannot remember the disease but im sure it was legit.
Tom Prince im sure was stupidity not genetic,He probaly never got his bloodwork done and had no supervision and blamed Advil.
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I can only talk from experience, i have taken shitloads of drugs in the past and have ballooned from 225 natural at 6ft to 280 pound same bodyfat around 10% and have had medical problems after prolonged use, after i have stopped taking the drugs i always return to back to my natural bodyweight.I cannot hold on to my gains, so this makes me believe most Pros are on something all the time.
The pitures of Jay Cutler at 315 tend me to believe hes on year round maybe hes on a third of what he takes when preparing for a show.
As i have said i probaly have taken more roids than most pros though i do not use HGH or IGF or Slin and these drugs i believe most pros use year round keeping them at a high bodyweight.
Doctors are the most inportant statistic in bodybuilding and the use of roids safely must be adheared to.
Tom Prince obviosly did not consult a doctor and i do not buy the Advil theory in my opinion it was an abuse of diuretics when guest posing or just vanity of ridding the body of subcutanous water.
When i stop taking Anadrol A Bombs i drop about 20 pounds of water, thats my doctors opinion and with many bodybuilders do not take post cylcle therapies which i believe is the most inportant factor of a cycle.
Anyway thats my rant on roids, used properly with a doctor they are magic and feeling your body transform is exstacy.
thanks for sharing. whatabout the increased strength+bodyweight on roids giving you more power in the gym and because of this enabling you to move heavier weights leading to bigger growth? surely THAT muscle is "real" and will be kept, or is it just not a whole lot at the end of the day?
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Flex like Don Long did have genetic problems with there kidneys i cannot remember the disease but im sure it was legit.
Tom Prince im sure was stupidity not genetic,He probaly never got his bloodwork done and had no supervision and blamed Advil.
If they had that disease would the new kidney be rejected?
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thanks for sharing. whatabout the increased strength+bodyweight on roids giving you more power in the gym and because of this enabling you to move heavier weights leading to bigger growth? surely THAT muscle is "real" and will be kept, or is it just not a whole lot at the end of the day?
You keep some of the muscle but it slowly dissapates over a few months, the best way to hold on to some muscle is to continue using very small amounts of dianabol and anadrol.Thats from personel experience.
I fucked my shoulder and will not be training for quite a period of time so the holiday to Mexico is off.
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You keep some of the muscle but it slowly dissapates over a few months, the best way to hold on to some muscle is to continue using very small amounts of dianabol and anadrol.Thats from personel experience.
I fucked my shoulder and will not be training for quite a period of time so the holiday to Mexico is off.
I get the impression you lost most of your gains still you consider it worth it?
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I get the impression you lost most of your gains still you consider it worth it?
YES my cycle last 6 months and the strength and size gains make me feel incredible, i do it for myself i cover up and feel very insecure around people, the typical response from non lifters is your a dumbass steroidhead.But with the insecurity Comes incredible pride in my appearance though i do where very baggy clothing so its not to obvious to many around me.
My girl loves the muscles and when i am natural its a nice change she loves me XXXXL or XXL and its a nice change to be a natural and a juicer.I will never compete but have had a precontest regiem a few years ago and got my bodyfat down to near death and weiged 235 to 237 with a diuretics.THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT ALWAYS SEE A DOCTOR GET YOUR BLOODWORK DONE and be careful of some of the side effects GYNO use Arimidex or Novaldex especially with Anadrol and Look after your Testicles with HCG.
Its worth every cent and like Arnold said the Pump is like coming ;D
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If they had that disease would the new kidney be rejected?
I do not know,Don Long is still on dialisis and i think Flex is okay.But They have to eat a very low protien diet and i remember Goudy who has one Kidney was put in hospital because of creatine.
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I think these guys make shit up, just like Prince. It's dumb. Advil would affect your stomach before your kidneys. Try again.
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Not that many people under like 5'10" can be over 215 lbs and something like 6% bf. Drugs are a huge part of it, but some people are genetic freaks. There's like this 220 ripped to shreds black dude at my gym and he struggles to bench 185 pounds and rows like 75 lb dumbells. He's fucking ripped like hell and I don't think he's on anything, a true freak of nature.
Hendrix
What type of doses did you use? I am told that 10 weeks cycle of500 mg of test a week stacked with d-bol everyday is a good and pretty safe cycle to follow.
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dont post too much about cycles or this might be moved to the 'roids board.
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Not that many people under like 5'10" can be over 215 lbs and something like 6% bf. Drugs are a huge part of it, but some people are genetic freaks. There's like this 220 ripped to shreds black dude at my gym and he struggles to bench 185 pounds and rows like 75 lb dumbells. He's fucking ripped like hell and I don't think he's on anything, a true freak of nature.
Hendrix
What type of doses did you use? I am told that 10 weeks cycle of500 mg of test a week stacked with d-bol everyday is a good and pretty safe cycle to follow.
Its up to your doctor and i foolishly went against my doctor orders and continued using an insane amount of Anadrol and i was lucky my Liver survived the damage and regenerated when i was clean.
Now my cycle is big and i do not advise anyone use it,PLEASE get monitered by a DOCTOR.
1000mg test a Week(HCG your testicles can shrink over prolonged use of Test)
1000mg Deca a week
250mg Anadrol aday ( the dosages vary on my bloodwork)Also use Arimidex or Novaldex for Gyno
50mg Dianabol(spread over three dosages a day)
100mg to 200mg a day of Stanazol or Winnie injectible
Thats it a huge amount you could probaly get the same results with half this amount but i push my body to the limit.Anadrol is the most poweful steroid on the market but it is very toxic so be careful.To the MODS remove the post not the thread just being honest.
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Adonis talk a lot of shit from time to time, however, one topic that I would be willing to discuss and I think might have some merit is the ALL ROIDS theory - from what I can see there's a number of people coming off the roids that losts a shitload of size, so maybe he's got a point here? Or does the explanation "when they get off roids they also stop training and stop eating as much" be enough?
Just how much is ALL ROIDS?
Discuss
Geez broos, dont cum off dem roids' EVER...youse don't want to fvck up da $$$ strem to youse suppliers...man, wut da f**k is wrong wit youse huh???!
Jes stuf un stuf on dem roids' and keeps bloatinn youse slfs ups!! Dat wa youse cann falls ova DEDDD at 35 insted of 45!!
I meens youse don wants to start shrivelin/shrinkin up un getin week or sumpin doos youse...HUH...un loos dem drugg bloatedd 21 iinch gunss dooess youse???!
I meens jus livs fas and dies yung en keps youse psyco idjit 'roid rage...youse FVKKIN MORONS!!!
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I know Milne's source dude, he does WAY more then just test and growth.
Are you sure you know milne's source...you might then again probably not ;)
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Prince was all roids.
Prince was never that impressive, are you talking about before or after Purple Rain though?
"Hope this helps"
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And, I bet that 95% (or is it 98%?!) of you dim-witted, insecure, MF's posting here DON'T EVEN COMPETE IN BB!!???
Runnin' around "juiced-to-the-gills", hopped-up on amphets/speed, and rec. drugs (I'm sure), just to gain a few extra inches in muscle size, get "ripped", and lift some heavier training poundages...while throwing away your PRECIOUS health and longevity "with both hands"...and, AGAIN, YOU DON"T EVEN COMPETE...you LAZY, IGNORANT, IMPATIENT, MF's!!
You are fvckin' TIME BOMBS and a DISGRACE to everything the great pioneers of physical culture and BB ever preached/intended!!!
??? >:(
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I'm not a Tom Prince aplogist so dont' take it that way. Before I label him all drugs I'd like to see some pics of him before he started juicing, I don't think you can look at the current pics and say anything, from what I understand the treatment he had to go through was pretty rough and he doesn't train or eat like a guy trying to build or hold onto muscle at all anymore.
About the advil, I had some liver problems when I was 19, I got a form or airborne hepatitus and it messed me up big time, I went from getting ready to do the junior michigan at 175lbs, with prety low BF to 125-130lbs by the time it was all said and done and my liver/kidneys had pretty much recovered by the time it was all said and done...anyway one of the things they told me in the hospital was to stay away from advil and tylenol until I got the ok cause they are very hard on the liver....I don't know how much he took but I'm sure that they caused "some" of the damage he incured.
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And, I bet that 95% (or is it 98%?!) of you dim-witted, insecure, MF's posting here DON'T EVEN COMPETE IN BB!!???
Runnin' around "juiced-to-the-gills", hopped-up on amphets/speed, and rec. drugs (I'm sure), just to gain a few extra inches in muscle size, get "ripped", and lift some heavier training poundages...while throwing away your PRECIOUS health and longevity "with both hands"...and, AGAIN, YOU DON"T EVEN COMPETE...you LAZY, IGNORANT, IMPATIENT, MF's!!
You are fvckin' TIME BOMBS and a DISGRACE to everything the great pioneers of physical culture and BB ever preached/intended!!!
??? >:(
MELTfuckinDOWN ;D
Just kidding!!!! I actually give a two thumbs up to your post. You are absolutely right. :)
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I'm not a Tom Prince aplogist so dont' take it that way. Before I label him all drugs I'd like to see some pics of him before he started juicing, I don't think you can look at the current pics and say anything, from what I understand the treatment he had to go through was pretty rough and he doesn't train or eat like a guy trying to build or hold onto muscle at all anymore.
About the advil, I had some liver problems when I was 19, I got a form or airborne hepatitus and it messed me up big time, I went from getting ready to do the junior michigan at 175lbs, with prety low BF to 125-130lbs by the time it was all said and done and my liver/kidneys had pretty much recovered by the time it was all said and done...anyway one of the things they told me in the hospital was to stay away from advil and tylenol until I got the ok cause they are very hard on the liver....I don't know how much he took but I'm sure that they caused "some" of the damage he incured.
That would be SOME DEMAGE to an already fucked up liver and kiddneys , due to years and more years of abusing roids and rec drugs.
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There is a good thread on steroids board currently about the gear and pros. Has an example of a pro's cycle.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117318.0
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EVERYONE IS FUCKING WRONG UNTIL GH15 TELLS HIS SIDE OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-* ;D JK ...ITS NOT ALL ROIDS MY BUDDY SCOTT MILINE IS 337 WITH ABS AS OF RIGHT NOW AND BELIEVE ME HE DOESNT TAKE ALOT OF GEAR THATS WHY SCOTT ABLE DROPPED HIM AND WOULDNT TRAIN HIM CUZ HE WOULDNT DO THE AMOUNTS HE WANTED HIM TO....HE DOES NO MORE THEN 6IU AND SITS AROUND 3000MG A WEEK IN TEST ........YES ITS ALOT BUT f**k ALL COMPARED TO THE "OTHER GUYS"
Milne is great, always looks healthy and has the clean cut all american look that bodybuilders used to have. Doesn't look all diseased and freaky like most of the IFBB. Suprised he doesn't get more endorsement deals. Any recent pics of him?
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Yeah, he's practically natural.
I know Scott Abel, and while his amounts are a bit out there, they are generally in the ballpark, or even lower of your buddy.
Milne is a huge dude though.
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