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Title: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: ToxicAvenger on January 11, 2007, 04:17:17 PM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3333992194168790800&q=water+car
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: GroinkTropin on January 11, 2007, 04:23:25 PM
His idea never worked, and if it did, it would cost SO much to ceramic coat your engine it would totally negate the +EV of not running on gas.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: ToxicAvenger on January 11, 2007, 04:34:50 PM
seems to be working in the vid..

wait you never saw it   ::)
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 11, 2007, 05:08:55 PM
His idea never worked, and if it did, it would cost SO much to ceramic coat your engine it would totally negate the +EV of not running on gas.
You don't need to ceramic coat your engine, that's oil company propaganda from the 80's...
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: GroinkTropin on January 11, 2007, 06:34:33 PM
I did watch the video, it's stupid and if you think all that bs works the fucking do it yourself. You can buy the instructions for like 15 bucks somewhere on the net, I forget where. It'll cost you no less than 50k to make it yourself, and then it has to actually WORK, which I highly doubt, and if it does work, it needs to produce enough power for your car to accelerate. Why are you guys so hurt that some cooky old con artist trying to make a buck got murdered? What do you expect? You mess with big oil, you mess with uh the US military, as far as I can tell. He was probably killed by the CIA.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: ToxicAvenger on January 11, 2007, 06:49:32 PM
. He was probably killed by the CIA.

soo they killed him over an invention that does not work...

hmmm...
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: GroinkTropin on January 11, 2007, 06:55:13 PM
soo they killed him over an invention that does not work...

hmmm...

No, they killed him for even trying to make it work. There is SOOO much money and power, globally, in oil right now that even attempting to disrupt it can likely get you killed. Besides, as good as this idea may have been there are better I'm sure. I remember someone saying every so often someone will patent an idea like this, and big oil swoops in and buys the rights for millions of dollars, and then buries it liek it never happened. Kind of like tire companies can make tires that never wear out you know?
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: ToxicAvenger on January 11, 2007, 08:50:13 PM
No, they killed him for even trying to make it work.

how old r you?
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: gordiano on January 11, 2007, 09:13:44 PM
Anyone here watch "who killed the electric car"?
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: GroinkTropin on January 11, 2007, 09:24:45 PM
how old r you?

Ok maybe not my brightest post I'm 26.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Wombat on January 11, 2007, 09:31:42 PM
As smart as the guy was, he ended up being a dummy...He should have taken the Billion dollars the Arabs were gonna give him and he could have done his shit privately behind his own small military compound with that kind of money...
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: ToxicAvenger on January 11, 2007, 09:32:45 PM
Ok maybe not my brightest post I'm 26.

you r old enough to be more open mate...

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=NASa+ufo+evidence

now take the time to watch part 1 and 2 of evidence...you'll learn a lot..just watch it before ya speak up..

cheers!  8)

Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: ToxicAvenger on January 11, 2007, 09:33:17 PM
As smart as the guy was, he ended up being a dummy...He should have taken the Billion dollars the Arabs were gonna give him and he could have done his shit privately behind his own small military compound with that kind of money...

i doubt the arabs offered him a billion...

that ws his pride talking...
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Wombat on January 11, 2007, 09:36:48 PM
i doubt the arabs offered him a billion...

that ws his pride talking...

well who knows...Im sure he would have been killed anyway before he recieved any money anyways...He should have tried to get with someone like Bill GAtes...Get some protection behind him..If in fact you could get any protection with such a thing...Dick Chaney probably shot the guy himself..
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: ToxicAvenger on January 11, 2007, 09:38:34 PM
well who knows...Im sure he would have been killed anyway before he recieved any money anyways...He should have tried to get with someone like Bill GAtes...Get some protection behind him..If in fact you could get any protection with such a thing...Dick Chaney probably shot the guy himself..

does no good

watch..its only 8 mins of your life..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2357448098911229950&q=illuminati
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 11, 2007, 10:27:38 PM
soo they killed him over an invention that does not work...

hmmm...
yea, that's what I thought.... ahahahhahhaa
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: GroinkTropin on January 11, 2007, 10:30:08 PM
well who knows...Im sure he would have been killed anyway before he recieved any money anyways...He should have tried to get with someone like Bill GAtes...Get some protection behind him..If in fact you could get any protection with such a thing...Dick Chaney probably shot the guy himself..

Lol another "hunting accident".
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Wombat on January 13, 2007, 02:18:06 AM
does no good

watch..its only 8 mins of your life..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2357448098911229950&q=illuminati

the video was good thanks...I've never seen that cbs shot with the "ufo" going by.. that was wild...
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Nordic Superman on January 13, 2007, 06:53:13 AM
That video was absolute trash. I feel embarrassed for you.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: a_joker10 on January 13, 2007, 04:14:48 PM
Take a thermo class.

Water powered cars don't work, because it breaks all laws of thermodynamics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics)
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: 240 is Back on January 13, 2007, 04:24:49 PM
Take a thermo class.

Water powered cars don't work, because it breaks all laws of thermodynamics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics)

and since scientists have never been proven wrong before...








...Hi Copernicus!
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 13, 2007, 04:45:15 PM
guys ::) I know of people who run these without any modifications to their engine as an injection system like with nos and get double their gas mileage.  It works.  Add stainless steal valves, exhaust, compression prior to injection and have your engine converted stainless steel heads and cylinders and bang, you can run off of brown gas no problem... water dripping from the tailpipe.  You could acutallly do it for a short time without any mods.  So with a clunker, I could hook this up to run around for a bit.  I wouln't do the injection system on a nice car either.  But it works, Nordic and others are fools if they don't think this works.  it does.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: a_joker10 on January 13, 2007, 07:22:36 PM
you don't know the science behind how it works and you also don't quite get that the laws of thermodynamics have never been broken, I am not going to give you a science class because none of you guys would believe real science anyway. But if this invention worked every lab in the world would have 1.


You know people that run these. Double there gas millage.
Sure. ::)

I have water dripping from my tail pipe as do most cars in a cold climate since combustion creates CO2 and Water.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 13, 2007, 07:56:24 PM
you don't know the science behind how it works and you also don't quite get that the laws of thermodynamics have never been broken, I am not going to give you a science class because none of you guys would believe real science anyway. But if this invention worked every lab in the world would have 1.


You know people that run these. Double there gas millage.
Sure. ::)

I have water dripping from my tail pipe as do most cars in a cold climate since combustion creates CO2 and Water.
Ok Einstein... Yes, I have seen it, it works, it's simple as f**k especially just doing a brown gas injection.  I'm not lying. go on and flip out with your thermodynamics lecture...  depending on several factors you can get anywhere from 12% to 50% increase in mpg via injection alone.  Just use a car you don't care about.  I'm going to hook one up on a bug or something this summer just for the hell of it.

THIS WORKS ;)

(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=18744_2c3.jpg)
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: ToxicAvenger on January 13, 2007, 11:49:18 PM
Take a thermo class.

Water powered cars don't work, because it breaks all laws of thermodynamics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics)

translation : i NEVER passed highskool physics..

i wont even bother here..
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: 240 is Back on January 13, 2007, 11:51:04 PM
you don't know the science behind how it works and you also don't quite get that the laws of thermodynamics have never been broken,

Actually, on 9/11, the laws of physics, thermodynamics, and common courtesy were all broken.  And you've defended the events of that day as legit.

Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Nordic Superman on January 14, 2007, 02:33:19 AM
translation : i NEVER passed highskool physics..

i wont even bother here..

Huh? He doesn't agree so you insult?

Why don't you backup your claims by proving him wrong with the physics you did in "highskool"?

You're the least intelligent person on getbig and your constant attacks on peoples intelligence/education is growing tiresome.

Ironic really after I exposed your bullshit "Cambridge, England" education for the fake it was.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: GroinkTropin on January 14, 2007, 03:29:45 AM
Here toxie, you can ask this guy all the questions you want. Only 25 mil! WHat a bargain.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HYDROGEN-ENG-FOR-AUTO-NO-FUEL-CELL-NEEDED-40-50-MPKG_W0QQitemZ120073083064QQihZ002QQcategoryZ33615QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: a_joker10 on January 14, 2007, 08:38:18 AM
Sure it does. :-\

Toxic you have no idea what your writing.

Any water injection system may slow down the knocking in a vehicle, bu it doesn't save fuel.

In fact your car might be perceived as having better gas millage because you can't accelerate quickly and there is no top end. You could experience the same millage increase in you drove differently.

Considering I have my freaking degree in mechanical engineering and had to take 3 400 level thermo classes, I might know what I am talking about.

But you Toxic, only believe crappy Youtube videos and refuse to read.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: ToxicAvenger on January 15, 2007, 12:37:25 PM


didn't i tell you not to post in my threads...

like a dog i keep kicking you..

andyou keep coming back for more..

scram..
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: ToxicAvenger on January 15, 2007, 12:38:58 PM
Sure it does. :-\

Toxic you have no idea what your writing.

Any water injection system may slow down the knocking in a vehicle, bu it doesn't save fuel.

In fact your car might be perceived as having better gas millage because you can't accelerate quickly and there is no top end. You could experience the same millage increase in you drove differently.



But you Toxic, only believe crappy Youtube videos and refuse to read.

o good lord...

did the vid make people think and ws fun to watch right?

ok...

ya make everything about " i refuse to demouth bush cock"  which is fine..


Quote
Considering I have my freaking degree in mechanical engineering and had to take 3 400 level thermo classes, I might know what I am talking about.

sorry..i dont believe that.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: a_joker10 on January 15, 2007, 12:46:54 PM
Thats fine.

But why would I need to lie.

I have been a professional mechanical engineer for 3 years.

You can't understand how thermodynamic work. Cool.

I am a liberal by the way. I am not a conspiracy nut like you though.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: ToxicAvenger on January 15, 2007, 12:58:04 PM
Thats fine.

.

You can't understand how thermodynamic work. Cool.



ok now u r coming thru better...

the point wasn't that he made a water car..

my point ws that that coulda possibly been a source of free energy..



now do we or dont we agree on that?
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Nordic Superman on January 15, 2007, 01:01:39 PM
Hmm, Toxic not believing someone on his educational credentials... oh the irony!

Look at you back tracking ;D

Hahah good stuff :)
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: ToxicAvenger on January 15, 2007, 01:06:45 PM


read..above you numbnuts....   ;)

man even swine and dog will leave if ya hit it enough times..


remove yourself from my presence...it offends me...
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: a_joker10 on January 15, 2007, 01:07:41 PM
ok now u r coming thru better...

the point wasn't that he made a water car..

my point ws that that coulda possibly been a source of free energy..



now do we or dont we agree on that?

Free energy doesn't exist.
That is why I posted the link to thermodynamics.
The reason why water engines don't work is because of loses.
That is the basis of thermodynamics.

The only reactions that work against the laws of thermodynamics are nuclear fusion and fission.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: ToxicAvenger on January 15, 2007, 01:10:30 PM
Free energy doesn't exist.
That is why I posted the link to thermodynamics.
The reason why water engines don't work is because of loses.
That is the basis of thermodynamics.

The only reactions that work against the laws of thermodynamics are nuclear fusion and fission.

okie..umm coulda ya post it again...where did ya post it..?

i'll actually go read and look at it this once..


" but never say never mate "..i insist on keeping an open mind..
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: brianX on January 15, 2007, 01:11:20 PM
Neither one of you knows anything about thermodynamics. ::)
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 15, 2007, 01:15:49 PM
Joker, please make a list your requirements for proof?
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: ToxicAvenger on January 15, 2007, 01:19:27 PM
Neither one of you knows anything about thermodynamics. ::)

i never said i did...

i'm 30..i ws the math n physics wiz kid back in highskool and college but that ws over 10 yrs ago...



i'm NOWHERE as smart of apt anymore..n thats the truth..
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Nordic Superman on January 15, 2007, 01:21:53 PM
read..above you numbnuts....   ;)

man even swine and dog will leave if ya hit it enough times..


remove yourself from my presence...it offends me...

Hahaha, your ideas of grandure and fictional authority don't work on me.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: ToxicAvenger on January 15, 2007, 01:29:44 PM
Hahaha, your ideas of grandure and fictional authority don't work on me.

then why do you keep following me around ?lol...

i've told you to be gone and not post in my thread..yet like a lap dog you keep insisting on getting my attention...

 ::)
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Nordic Superman on January 15, 2007, 01:34:54 PM
then why do you keep following me around ?lol...

i've told you to be gone and not post in my thread..yet like a lap dog you keep insisting on getting my attention...

 ::)

The topic interests me but you're not worth my input beyond my bantering.

Do you have the authority to get me not to post in "your" threads? No... keep stum
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: a_joker10 on January 15, 2007, 01:39:13 PM

Proof.

First you need a hypothesis.
Second, you must prove your hypothesis by performing an experiment that proves your hypothesis.
Third, the experiment must be repeatable.
Fourth, Other people must be able to repeat the same experiment and come up with the same results.
Then you have a theory.

When I talk about peer review, it relates to the fourth requirement. Anyone can come up with a theory, but it must rigorously tested before it can in fact be proven.
In my opinion the only people to really look towards for peer reviewing is the actual scientific community.

If a theory can't be proved false, like gravity or thermodynamics, then it is a law.

Many universities are working on ways to disprove the existing laws. Thermodynamics hasn't.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: ToxicAvenger on January 15, 2007, 01:42:38 PM
The topic interests me but you're not worth my input beyond my bantering.

Do you have the authority to get me not to post in "your" threads? No... keep stum

no..other than anyone with a proper up bringing woulda..

guess the lower classes will always be the lower classes..

meh...
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Nordic Superman on January 15, 2007, 01:49:27 PM
no..other than anyone with a proper up bringing woulda..

guess the lower classes will always be the lower classes..

meh...

Once again. Ideas of grandure. :-\

Your ugly ass paki face doesn't scream out "high class".

You've achieved nothing with your life and vent on getbig with fictional life. Daddy must be proud! :-*
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: ToxicAvenger on January 15, 2007, 01:54:57 PM
Once again. Ideas of grandure. :-\

Your ugly ass paki face doesn't scream out "high class".



hey if mine is ugly..please enlighted us what a good one looks like by showing us yours..

prediction..you wont..i KNOW for a fact u wont..you just cant compare mate  8)
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Nordic Superman on January 15, 2007, 01:57:09 PM
hey if mine is ugly..please enlighted us what a good one looks like by showing us yours..

prediction..you wont..i KNOW for a fact u wont..you just cant compare mate  8)

::)

Unfortunately I like to keep my activities on Getbig anonamous, unlike you who's an attention whore. :-*
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: ToxicAvenger on January 15, 2007, 02:03:28 PM
::)

Unfortunately I like to keep my activities on Getbig anonamous, unlike you who's an attention whore. :-*

no you r just afraid of getting your ass kicked ..thanx to your bigh mouth...
 ;D


buhbye doggie..
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Nordic Superman on January 15, 2007, 02:14:12 PM
no you r just afraid of getting your ass kicked ..thanx to your bigh mouth...
 ;D


buhbye doggie..

I'm invincible you dumbass :-*

Don't you have a pedicure or an enema to attend too instead of continually insulting people on Getbig? ???
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: a_joker10 on January 15, 2007, 02:46:44 PM
A light read from Wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion)
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: ToxicAvenger on January 15, 2007, 02:49:41 PM
I'm invincible you dumbass :-*

Don't you have a pedicure or an enema to attend too instead of continually insulting people on Getbig? ???


awwwww


(http://nwlink.com/graphics/pacifier.gif)
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: ToxicAvenger on January 15, 2007, 02:52:03 PM
A light read from Wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion)

thanx!
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 15, 2007, 06:20:29 PM
Proof.

First you need a hypothesis.
Second, you must prove your hypothesis by performing an experiment that proves your hypothesis.
Third, the experiment must be repeatable.
Fourth, Other people must be able to repeat the same experiment and come up with the same results.
Then you have a theory.

When I talk about peer review, it relates to the fourth requirement. Anyone can come up with a theory, but it must rigorously tested before it can in fact be proven.
In my opinion the only people to really look towards for peer reviewing is the actual scientific community.

If a theory can't be proved false, like gravity or thermodynamics, then it is a law.

Many universities are working on ways to disprove the existing laws. Thermodynamics hasn't.
Jesus fucking Christ Joker, cut the Einstein shit, you're not impressing anyone... This is a fuckin getbig message board, not Nasa.... If I get a car running on brown gas this summer, you want me to have all the scientifics of it worked out and peer reviewed for proof ::)  It won't do to take a video of me pouring water into a tank and filming the thing take off?  Simplify this down to simple requirement for a bodybuilder with a garage... That shouldn't be to flipping hard ::) Now what are your requirements for a weekend grease monkey.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: 240 is Back on January 15, 2007, 06:32:46 PM
LOL...

inventing the water-driven car would be a seriously suicidal move.

If I had that plan, I would wipe me ass with it and flush it down my water-driven toilet, then get in my SUV and fill up my gas tank as usual.

some things you just don't mess with in this world lol...
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 15, 2007, 06:35:32 PM
LOL...

inventing the water-driven car would be a seriously suicidal move.

If I had that plan, I would wipe me ass with it and flush it down my water-driven toilet, then get in my SUV and fill up my gas tank as usual.

some things you just don't mess with in this world lol...
Yea, no kidding, I'm willing to tinker around on the getbig message board, but I wouldn't be one to go for patents and publicize it.  Fark that.  Joker is like needing it to be peer reviewed and shit... No thanks...
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: a_joker10 on January 15, 2007, 07:13:55 PM
Yea, no kidding, I'm willing to tinker around on the getbig message board, but I wouldn't be one to go for patents and publicize it.  Fark that.  Joker is like needing it to be peer reviewed and shit... No thanks...

Hey man, go ahead and build the thing.

If it works for you great. Tell everyone on here, just post some photos of before and after and some performance, numbers. IE 0-60 before and after. Millage before and after. Proving that water injection works would be awesome.

However, you are better off in my opinion to drive a diesel.
The new voltswagen Jetta TDI is rated at 42 miles a gallon.
Also you could be a smart car http://www.smartusa.com/faq.html (http://www.smartusa.com/faq.html)
You can also convert them to run on grease from fryers, 240 would be better off doing this because oil tends to congeal in the cold even with emulsifiers. Although I would be an early model diesel for that. You can also buy kits that increase the mileage by changing some of the characteristics of the computer.
I know this works as I have seen many articles written on it, and biodiesel itself is based on vegetable oil.
http://www.hopshop.net/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=87 (http://www.hopshop.net/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=87)
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: 240 is Back on January 15, 2007, 07:16:50 PM
I cooked some chicken with a bit of crisco veg oil tonight.

It certainly had my digestive system going from 0 to 60 kinda quick.

Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: a_joker10 on January 15, 2007, 07:26:14 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 15, 2007, 07:48:23 PM
Hey man, go ahead and build the thing.

If it works for you great. Tell everyone on here, just post some photos of before and after and some performance, numbers. IE 0-60 before and after. Millage before and after. Proving that water injection works would be awesome.

However, you are better off in my opinion to drive a diesel.
The new voltswagen Jetta TDI is rated at 42 miles a gallon.
Also you could be a smart car http://www.smartusa.com/faq.html (http://www.smartusa.com/faq.html)
You can also convert them to run on grease from fryers, 240 would be better off doing this because oil tends to congeal in the cold even with emulsifiers. Although I would be an early model diesel for that. You can also buy kits that increase the mileage by changing some of the characteristics of the computer.
I know this works as I have seen many articles written on it, and biodiesel itself is based on vegetable oil.
http://www.hopshop.net/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=87 (http://www.hopshop.net/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=87)
Well no doubt, this ain't going to be a performance machine that's for sure... but if it's able to get around town, I'd call it a success.  I'm talking about just water, no gas... I already know the injection works.  This should be fun... I really don't "need the car" but it'll be fun to play with and if it does work, a cool novelty item.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 15, 2007, 07:55:19 PM
Joker, this is only a few minutes long, please just watch this one, it's not long.

http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/BrownsGas/WaterFuel.wmv
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 15, 2007, 07:57:45 PM
Biodiesel... You do know they're running all over the place now...  I've seen them, works great, getting a free source is a bit hard now and I don't like the idea of using it, it smells like ass.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: ToxicAvenger on January 15, 2007, 08:37:28 PM
Joker, this is only a few minutes long, please just watch this one, it's not long.

http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/BrownsGas/WaterFuel.wmv

that  guy is gonna be dead soon..

that vid is gonna disappear..

and it never happened..

200 sites will appear proving without a shadow of a doubt it ws a hoax..
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: a_joker10 on January 15, 2007, 10:08:25 PM
Joker, this is only a few minutes long, please just watch this one, it's not long.

http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/BrownsGas/WaterFuel.wmv
http://hytechapps.com/ (http://hytechapps.com/)
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It is the same gas as Browns gas from what I've read.
I would like to have seen independent testing and electrical requirements.

I don't believe the claims. There are always claims of fuel efficiency devices that are too good to be true.

From what I have read during the electrolysis that the H2 gas and Oxygen are being released at the same time through some sort of nozzle.
To break down water into another chemical would require quite a bit of energy. As a mater of fact in thermo it would take more energy to create HHO than would be produced By burning it Based on Second Law.

Anyway, He should let some independent labs try out his technology and let them report on their findings.


Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 15, 2007, 10:20:46 PM
To break down water into another chemical would require quite a bit of energy. As a mater of fact in thermo it would take more energy to create HHO than would be produced By burning it Based on Second Law.

As I understand it from seeing these devices work and the electricity input, this is absolutely not true.  Do I understand why, no I don't... Do I know a gorilla when I see one, yea...  Maybe these laws are bullshit or maybe there are reasons why laws get broken. 
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 11, 2008, 01:48:25 AM
Yea, no kidding, I'm willing to tinker around on the getbig message board, but I wouldn't be one to go for patents and publicize it.  Fark that.  Joker is like needing it to be peer reviewed and shit... No thanks...

I gotta bump this thread.  This is getting really interesting.  I've spent the last day checking out this hho movement and it's looking pretty unstopable.  This is really cool, there are probably a hundred people on youtube sharing their data and working somewhat as a team.  Nobody's worried about their secret discovery, they just get on and show each experiment and the data.  They can't up and kill them all Pretty cool shit.  :)
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Purple Aki on May 11, 2008, 02:22:48 AM
*Sits eagerly awaiting the men in black helicopters to come and whisk Berserker away*
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: sync pulse on May 11, 2008, 02:08:58 PM
Energy is rolling a rock down a hill.  Either literally like the Sir Adam Beck power station with water flowing over the Niagara escarpment. or steam with energy flowing down hill from a place of higher concentration of energy to a lower one.  (from the hot boiler to the cooling tower)  In an internal combustion engine, from the cylinders with high pressure from exploding fuel flowing to atmospheric pressure.

The problem with the concept of a water powered engine is that water is already at the bottom of the hill, from an energy content point of view.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: War-Horse on May 11, 2008, 02:33:52 PM
Just to be clear here.   We're not injecting water into cylinders.  Water has Hydrogen attached and can be released thru electrical current.
Hydrogen is the gas that rises from the water. This is whats pulled into the engines carb or injection system thru a vacumn line.  (BTW a little water actually cleans carbon out of engine making cleaner emmisions)

Alot of the experiments on youtube are people trying to find the best amperage to produce the most hydrogen.

Normally hydrogen can be volatile but in water its naturally compressed and safe.   I hope youtube lets people continue to post experiments....if they dont you can welcome in a totalitarian goverment soon. :-\
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 11, 2008, 02:54:52 PM
Just to be clear here.   We're not injecting water into cylinders.  Water has Hydrogen attached and can be released thru electrical current.
Hydrogen is the gas that rises from the water. This is whats pulled into the engines carb or injection system thru a vacumn line.  (BTW a little water actually cleans carbon out of engine making cleaner emmisions)

Alot of the experiments on youtube are people trying to find the best amperage to produce the most hydrogen.

Normally hydrogen can be volatile but in water its naturally compressed and safe.   I hope youtube lets people continue to post experiments....if they dont you can welcome in a totalitarian goverment soon. :-\
excellent post... From what I've learned, most of the people experimenting are pulling all hho into the combustion chamber.  Some water does form.  I didn't know this before but I guess some water also forms in gas combustion and a little water won't hurt.  It only becomes a concern running higher hydrogen levels where the water flow will be significantly more. But when the hho hits the chamber, any water will be in the form of vapor which will only increase compression such as is seen on a really humid day. 

I've found two people so far that have taken the extra step of seperating the hydrogen from the oxygen and run only on hydrogen with no gas.  There are questions I have with these ultimate setups, primarily how long can they run?  How much power are they drawing? two related questions, I know.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: kh300 on May 11, 2008, 03:00:16 PM
what i find interesting, is we can group togather some nerds and split the atom in a matter of weeks to create a bomb.

but to find an alternative way to fuel an engine isnt on their agenda. i wonder if thats because ny state pays more in taxes for gas, then what they can collect from us.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: War-Horse on May 11, 2008, 03:12:27 PM
what i find interesting, is we can group togather some nerds and split the atom in a matter of weeks to create a bomb.

but to find an alternative way to fuel an engine isnt on their agenda. i wonder if thats because ny state pays more in taxes for gas, then what they can collect from us.


Whats also crazy is that the combustion engine is antique and terribly inefficient....50% heat loss wasted..i think.

We should be on to magnetics or crystals by now. ;D   
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 11, 2008, 03:20:13 PM
what i find interesting, is we can group togather some nerds and split the atom in a matter of weeks to create a bomb.

but to find an alternative way to fuel an engine isnt on their agenda. i wonder if thats because ny state pays more in taxes for gas, then what they can collect from us.
I think we can all probably guess the real reason ;D

I just think it's cool something actually good might come out of people getting together without financial gain in mind, aiding each other in achieving a goal that could be revolutionary.  even if success is not to be had, this is cool to see people gathing and doing this with such spirit.  This is the human spirit I like to see.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: War-Horse on May 11, 2008, 03:26:17 PM
I think we can all probably guess the real reason ;D

I just think it's cool something actually good might come out of people getting together without financial gain in mind, aiding each other in achieving a goal that could be revolutionary.  even if success is not to be had, this is cool to see people gathing and doing this with such spirit.  This is the human spirit I like to see.



Amen!!   Feels good to see this happening.  :)
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on May 11, 2008, 04:05:47 PM
I think we can all probably guess the real reason ;D

I just think it's cool something actually good might come out of people getting together without financial gain in mind, aiding each other in achieving a goal that could be revolutionary.  even if success is not to be had, this is cool to see people gathing and doing this with such spirit.  This is the human spirit I like to see.

Are you talking about the Revolution March or the fuel solution here?  ;D
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 11, 2008, 04:11:44 PM
Are you talking about the Revolution March or the fuel solution here?  ;D
Of course both, the revolution is blooming ;D
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 11, 2008, 04:21:17 PM
AH HA!!!  as of 5pm I've produced my first hydrogen!  ;D

Ok, I started my first experiment this morning at 8:00am as soon as home depot was open for business ;D  Had several setbacks because I didn't know shit about using an multimeter so had to google my ass off.  didn't know how to crimp gator clips on wire, then remembered I use to know and am on butthead setting, did some research to make sure I was seting the cell up right and boom, I'm on my way 8) bobble booble booble... :P  BANG :o fuck, that's loud shit... right now I'm just playing with a 6v battery, NO SHIT!!! :)
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 11, 2008, 05:24:51 PM
weird, I already ran into my first strange phenomenon.  The water I started with in the cell was ice cold, no choice, my only source unless I take another trip to the store for water and lazy is set in after 5 trips to home depot.  So anyway, cold slows the reaction.  I didn't want to wait for the water to warm up so I just took some hot water in a separate glass and set it in the hydrogen reaction cell to warm up the water.  The fucking hot water evaporated over an inch out of the glass that I set in the cell, in a matter of minutes.  Now I've nuked a lot of water for earl grey or whatever and never had that much naturally evaporate off in a few minutes.  This was really odd.  I don't know what this is.  Maybe nothing but weird.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 11, 2008, 09:05:14 PM
booya... got production off of 3 volts.  I'm not hooking up to the car for a bit of initial pre testing. taking a few videos if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: War-Horse on May 11, 2008, 09:07:32 PM
weird, I already ran into my first strange phenomenon.  The water I started with in the cell was ice cold, no choice, my only source unless I take another trip to the store for water and lazy is set in after 5 trips to home depot.  So anyway, cold slows the reaction.  I didn't want to wait for the water to warm up so I just took some hot water in a separate glass and set it in the hydrogen reaction cell to warm up the water.  The fucking hot water evaporated over an inch out of the glass that I set in the cell, in a matter of minutes.  Now I've nuked a lot of water for earl grey or whatever and never had that much naturally evaporate off in a few minutes.  This was really odd.  I don't know what this is.  Maybe nothing but weird.


Cant you just use warm tap water in a mason jar?   Water evaporated from open air source may be the difference.??
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: a_joker10 on May 12, 2008, 10:16:34 AM
You can get hydrogen from an even smaller voltage.
However it will take more energy to produce hydrogen, then you will get converting it back to water.

That simple chemistry.

Entropy is a bitch.

If you want to increase the reaction add salt to the water, add  as much salt as the water can take and add heat.

The only way for you to take advantage of it as free energy though is to use solar power to achieve the electrolysis and then some means of compressing and storing the gas.
Title: Re: Creator of the water fueled car murdered!..NO surprise here
Post by: sync pulse on May 12, 2008, 12:35:18 PM
Add a small amount of hydrochloric acid, that increases the conductivity much more than salt would.

You can find it at Home Depot in the swimming pool department.  Some people call it muriatic acid.

Above all, don't get any on you