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Who cares? Maybe the guy wanted his own pad and his wife is a total bitch. Maybe he found out she cheated on him, we have no idea. That has nothing to do with the NFL. Bellichicks personal life is only known by Bellicheck. Not the Boston media. All of that shit is pure speculation and really none of anyones business.
So he had mortgages? What does that have to do with anything? His life, his money, his homes.
I can understand the hatred. He has been owning you guys since he was the defensive coordinator for the gaints. Back in the day , when he shut down Jim Kelly!
Totally agree.
Who gives a fcuk about whether Belichyk is an asshole off the field.
He's the Messiah of NFL, and has the record to show for it.
Those who give Tom Brady the credit for Patriots winning the Super Bowl are wrong IMO. It's all Belichyk.
The guy could've won with Testaverde on the Q. 8)
-Hedge
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Totally agree.
Who gives a fcuk about whether Belichyk is an asshole off the field.
He's the Messiah of NFL, and has the record to show for it.
Those who give Tom Brady the credit for Patriots winning the Super Bowl are wrong IMO. It's all Belichyk.
The guy could've won with Testaverde on the Q. 8)
-Hedge
Exactly. Stick any decent QB in that system and I guarantee they win.
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Bledsoe could not win in that system. Neither could the guys that played for Bellichick in Clevelend. Tom has proven himself time after time.
The system does not make the adjustments to the pressure and make the throws. Have the uncanny ability to read defenses and react to them, to be so clutch at the biggest of moments, The guy is a two time sb mvp for a reason. Brady also led the league in passing last year with a great rating. he has gotten it done every time he has been called on. If there is not proof of his skill there is not proof we are all alive! It's all there, just watch the games!
I guess most the entire NFL who call brady one of the best of all time if not the best are all making it up for fun!!!
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Bledsoe could not win in that system. Neither could the guys that payed in Clevelend. Tom has proven himself time after time.
The system does not make the adjustments to the pressure and make the throws. The guy is a two time sb mvp for a reason. he also led the league in passing last year with a great rating.
Bledsoe sucks period. Can we get off the Patsies nuts?
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Bledsoe sucks period. Can we get off the Patsies nuts?
At the time he was considered one of the best. He was a first round pick ;D
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Belichick is a great coach, but I think having Brady has helped tremendously. Here is his record in Cleveland and his starting QBs
95: 5-11 Testaverde
94: 11-5 Testaverde
93: 7-9 Testaverde
92: 7-9 Tomczak
Not a coincidence IMO.
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Belichick is a great coach, but I think having Brady has helped tremendously. Here is his record in Cleveland and his starting QBs
95: 5-11 Testaverde
94: 11-5 Testaverde
93: 7-9 Testaverde
92: 7-9 Tomczak
Not a coincidence IMO.
Yep, solid proof. Well that and Brady leading them to 3 superbowls , being 12 and 1 postseason, and winning the superbowl mvp award, twice.
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At the time he was considered one of the best. He was a first round pick ;D
So? He's been overrated by idiots. The only thing he's slightly good at is passing yardage, nevermind ALL the INTs he throws or ALL the sacks he takes, or ALL the fumbles. The only reason he's had high passing yards is because people think he can complete 40 passes a game (which he can't).
As for Bitcheck, he got lucky in landing Tom Brady. If Tom leaves, Bitcheck's dynasty is done!
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So? He's been overrated by idiots. The only thing he's slightly good at is passing yardage, nevermind ALL the INTs he throws or ALL the sacks he takes, or ALL the fumbles. The only reason he's had high passing yards is because people think he can complete 40 passes a game (which he can't).
As for Bitcheck, he got lucky in landing Tom Brady. If Tom leaves, Bitcheck's dynasty is done!
I did not say I agree with his status. Just saying, at the time he was considered to be an elite qb.
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Totally agree.
Who gives a fcuk about whether Belichyk is an asshole off the field.
He's the Messiah of NFL, and has the record to show for it.
Those who give Tom Brady the credit for Patriots winning the Super Bowl are wrong IMO. It's all Belichyk.
The guy could've won with Testaverde on the Q. 8)
-Hedge
Billichick with Testaverde as his qb ;)
95: 5-11 Testaverde
94: 11-5 Testaverde
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I did not say I agree with his status. Just saying, at the time he was considered to be an elite qb.
Have you ever talked to a Bledsoe fan and asked them to provide facts? They just say his good because someone else did. The only good thing he has done in the NFL was come back in the playoff game against Pittsburg that same year he was hurt and win the game. Next week, Tom is the starter and wins the Super Bowl.
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Have you ever talked to a Bledsoe fan and asked them to provide facts? They just say his good because someone else did. The only good thing he has done in the NFL was come back in the playoff game against Pittsburg that same year he was hurt and win the game. Next week, Tom is the starter and wins the Super Bowl.
I hear ya man, I never liked Bledsoe. Just going on what Drews status was in the NFl his years with the pats.
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Billicheck with Testaverde as his qb ;)
95: 5-11 Testaverde
94: 11-5 Testaverde
Ok, I admit. I got pwned. :-[
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-Hedge
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Ok, I admit. I got pwned. :-[
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-Hedge
Lol!!!
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i say you put brady in indy and they win at least 2 superbowls
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And when if he wins SB number 4 what then. He's the best QB in the league. Sack any QB and he fumbles....blizt the dog shit out of him and he will through INT's..How many does Manning have in the playoffs. Manning also has Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne. TB wins
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First off, the system thing is an attempt to rationalise how Brady can be so much better then everyone when it counts most. Rationalise why there qb cannot do what Brady has done. Proof lies in the stats and quotes posted above. The system angle is old and was used in 2001 before Brady proved that was a fallacy. Has proved it countless times. Anyone who knows anything about football (including most former NFL players, qb's, coaches and analysts)call Brady the next Montana for a reason. A reason he has earned.
Brady's greatness does not only come from the 2 superbowl mvps, the 12 and 1 postseason record, the three rings, the ability to perform in the highest pressure situation possible, the ability to read defenses and react better then anyone in the game, and the ability to win with receivers that would be considered second rate on his best competitors team. Brady's abilities have been proven year in and year out. The proof lies in the mass of playoff games and superbowl's where he has been brilliant. The system angle is a last ditch attempt to salvage a reason why the supposed best qb ever can never beat Brady, why all the weapons in the world do not make the difference, why there team cannot do what this one has and continues to do.
The greatness comes from his ability to lead his team and make plays when it matters most,. When all the marbles are on the line. The ability to throw three picks then come right back and make a throw you shake your head at to get the score you need to tie a huge game. The ability to make a bad play, then lead his team 80 yards down field against the best team in the entire NFl. When the game is on the line, has done it time after time. All one has to do is watch the games. All the evidence is there.
This talks stems most from colts fans. A team with a qb that has never been able to do what Brady has. Has folded anytime it mattered. Been outplayed on all the times they faces off. Threw interceptions to Brady's td passes.Could never get it done with the best receivers and offensive weapons in the game. Was outsmarted by a smarter coach and unable to beat a defense. Time after time after time after time. There has to be a reason or an excuse. There is proof off everything I just said. It is called 2001 - 2006 Tom Brady accomplishments and wins. Just watch the games for 100 percent proof.
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Ok, I admit. I got pwned. :-[
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-Hedge
That picture is hilarious. ;D
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First off, the system thing is an attempt to rationalise how Brady can beso much better then everyone when it counts most. Rationalise why there qb cannot do what Brady has done. Proof lies in the stats and quotes posted above. The system angle is old and was used in 2001 before Brady proved that was a falacy. Anyone who knows anything about football (inculding most former NFL players, coaches and analysts agree) call brady the next Montana for a reason.
Brady's greatness does not only come from the 2 superbowl mvps, the 12 and 1 postseason record, the three rings, the ability to perform in the highest pressure situation possible, the ability to read defenses and react better then anyone in the game, and the ability to win with receivers that would be considered second rate on his best competitors team. Brady's abilities have been proven year in and year out. The proof lies in the mass of playoff games and superbowl's where he has been brilliant. The system angle is a last ditch attempt to salvage a reason why the supposed best qb ever can never beat Brady, why all the weapons in the world do not make the difference, why there team cannot do what this won has and continues to do.
The greatness comes from his ability to lead his team and make plays when it matters most,. When all the marbles are on the line. The ability to throw three picks then come right back and make a throw you shake your head off to get the score you need to tie a huge game. The ability to make a bad play then lead his team 80 yards down field against the best team in the entire NFl. When the game is on the line. he has done it time after time. All one has to do is watch the games. All the evidence is there.
This talks stems most from colts fans. A team with a qb that has never been able to do what Brady has. Has folded anytime it mattered. Been outplayed on all the times they faces off. Threw interceptions to Bradys td passes.Could never get it done with the best recievers and offensive weapons in the game. Was outsmarted by a smarter coach and unable to beat a defense. Time after time after time after time. There has to be a reason or an excuse. There is proof off everything I just said. Just look at it.
i agree with body the pats would not have beat SD with any other QB
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i agree with body the pats would not have beat SD with any other QB
They would not have won anything they have in the last six years without him. Proof is in the tape. All you do is have to watch the games.
Who would you toss in there if not Brady, Manning? They would have lost if you switched them in all those times they met, all one needs to do to get the answer is compare Brady and Manning over the last six years. Brady is 12 - 1, with three rings, and 2 superbowl mvps. Manning with all his skill(he has a ton), awards, and many off the best offensive teams ever , a great coach, and the very best off players has never done anything. Brady has always done much more, with much less, when it counted the most. When it was do or die. Proof is in the games and results.
Those are the facts. When people talk it is opinion , to validate what I just said watch all the huge games Brady played in and won.
Manning is one of the greatest qb's ever. But if anyone can succeed because of a system it is Manning. he has the very best receivers and a great spread of weapons. But, when you take the system away and set it on his shoulders he has failed miserably up until this point. While Brady has succeeded.
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They would not have won anything they have in the last six years without him. Proof is in the tape. All you do is have to watch the games.
Who would you toss in there if not Brady, Manning? They would have lost if you switched them in all those times they met, all one needs to do to get the answer is compare Brady and Manning over the last six years. Brady is 12 - 1, with three rings, and 2 superbowl mvps. Manning with all his skill, and many off the best offensive teams ever , a great coach, and the very best off players has never done anything. Brady has always done much more, with much less. Proof is in the games and results.
Those are the facts. When people talk it is opinion , to validate what I just said watch all the huge games Brady played in and won.
Manning is one of the greatest qb's ever. But if anyone can succeed because of a system it is Manning. he has the very best receivers and a great spread of weapons. But, when you take the system away and set it on his shoulders he has failed miserably up until this point. While Brady has succeeded.
the only other qb that might have had a chance with that team to beat the chargers i would have to say brew brees
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the only other qb that might have had a chance with that team to beat the chargers i would have to say brew brees
Brady had been brilliant in the 4 games leading up to the playoffs and also in the jets playoff game. No one payed any attention. Brady has a bad game against the best team in the nfl, and still can shake it off when he has to, to make HUGE plays, and lead his team on HUGE drives to win.
He throws a terrible pass, then lead his team 70 yards to score when he has to or they lose. Shit like that is what shows the true skill. Not big stats and nothing to show for any of them.
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Brees has stepped it up this year too.
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Brady had been brilliant in the 4 games leading up to the playoffs and also in the jets playoff game. No one payed any attention. Brady has a bad game against the best team in the nfl, and still can shake it off when he has to, to make HUGE plays, and lead his team on HUGE drives to win.
He throws a terrible pass, then lead his team 70 yards to score when he has to or they lose. Shit like that is what shows the true skill. Not big stats and nothing to show for any of them.
Yup thats why i was saying yesterday he is the best qb playing right now his team needs him to win and he wins for his team dont matter how terrible he played yesterday when he had to perform he did that what makes him great! i still hate him though ;D
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Yup thats why i was saying yesterday he is the best qb playing right now his team needs him to win and he wins for his team dont matter how terrible he played yesterday when he had to perform he did that what makes him great! i still hate him though ;D
I agree, he did play poorly. but even when he played like shit, and was not on his game, when it mattered most, when it was all on the line, he got it done. He set it all on his shoulders and shredded the ball downfield, to get scores. Brady has played lights out time after time after time in important playoffs and superbowls. Just look at the last six years.
Give me that, over meaningless stats any day.
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I agree, he did play poorly. but even when he played like shit, and was not on his game, when it mattered most, when it was all on the line, He got it done. he set it on his shoulders and shredded the ball downfield, then scored.
that td pass in the fourth proved how valuable he was not to many other qbs could make that pass under the same situation
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I respect Manning, he is a phenomenal qb. When he does finally get his ring, ( which might be this year) he will have the one thing that he is missing. But, lets not let being tired of seeing the same old guy winning, diminish what he has done in the last six years. The statistics Brady has mirror those of Joe Montana. Hell, he has the best playoff winning percentage off all time. The guy deserves his credit, that is all I am saying.
People who say things like "it is the system" are often jealous, or ignorant to what they are saying. You always hear guys like Dan Marino/Ron Jaworski/Boomer/Salsberry/Montana/Steve Young and co giving Brady his due.Calling him the most clutch qb next to Montana, some say the most clutch qb ever. Which he has earned the right to be compared to/called. Then you hear some random scrub, hollering some junk they know nothing about ,refering to Brady. Bellicheck is a defensive genious. He had spent ALL his previous years as a defensive coordinator or coach, coaching defensive players. All one has to do is look at a the pats when they had Bledsoe as qb, or refer to the 3 losing years Bellichick had in Clevelend with Vin Testa and co to get the proof the system angle is an excuse, and a cop out. Not to mention, the mountains of brilliant performances Brady has had during the "dynasty" era he helped create. You do not get multiple superbowl mvp's and wins without some serious talent. Hell , he led the NFL is passing last year with a handful of recievers that never even make the top 30 in the leauge. The guy had over 4100 yards and a 90 plus rating with no one even resembaling a top guy. That team suffered massive injurys last year. Same story this year. The man is a leader, he battled his team to where they are right now. At one point in the season the injury report looked like a frekin laundry list.
The best proof is in the pudding. What Brady has done in the last six years is all there on tape. The guy has nothing to prove, and the haters will always find a way to cut him down. If you cannot explain how a person does something amazing, you need any excuse. Hell even if you can prove with historical evidence the system claim is a load of shit, they would never admit it anyway.
They always need a reason why another can win time after time when there qb with all the best of everything ( including pedigree) could not with countless chances.
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Brady has the intangibles, he knows how to get the job done. Though I think he has better talent around him than people realize. Troy Brown while not great always has been able to maKE the play!!!! Defense is always good with exception of last yr with injuries. The coach can only put the system in, it is up to the players to make the plays!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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Brady has the intangibles, he knows how to get the job done. Though I think he has better talent around him than people realize. Troy Brown while not great always has been able to maKE the play!!!! Defense is always good with exception of last yr with injuries. The coach can only put the system in, it is up to the players to make the plays!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
Yes, he does have a host of great players around him. My point was, as great as they are they are/where not anything close to the weapons Manning has in Wayne, Harrison and Clark. The offensive power he had all those years he got pwned by Brady and the pats. Lets not forget, The pats had no running game at all for a big chunk of those huge wins.The colts had the edge on top off those big time recievers and play makers.
The 2003 colts offense was a fucking juggernaut. They got held to three by a ridiculous defensive performance, but that offense was as high powered as ever.
Not taking anything away from manning here. The guy has my respect and is one of the greatest ever. Just making some legit points.
If anyone has some reliance on a system it is him. he is surrounded by the best players and weapons year after year, but when it gets shifted on to his sole shoulders he has to this point folded like a lawn chair. That may change this year, but it will not change the last 6.
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I hate to admit it, but the metrosexual from Michigan is clutch. I haven't seen a player like him since that guy from Notre Dame that had a huge Cotton Bowl and went on to win 4 Superbowls. Bill would not have won without Tom and vice versa.
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Put Peyton in Brady's position and I bet he wins just as many SB's. Same with the rest of the elite QB's in the league. Not some mediocre scrub like Bledsoe. ::)
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Slightly off-topic, but IMO the standard of QB seems to be higher than ever.
In the mid-90's, another great era, Aikman, Kelly, Young, Favre(!), Marino, Elway, et al.
But still, a guy like Aikman was overrated IMO, and I think Marino was too, although he was good, but not THAT good, had good longetivity though.
Elway, Young and Favre walked the line though IMO. Still, today seems like almost half the teams have an outstanding QB.
-Hedge
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Put Peyton in Brady's position and I bet he wins just as many SB's. Same with the rest of the elite QB's in the league. Not some mediocre scrub like Bledsoe. ::)
First off, in his prime Bledsoe was not a scrub.He also led the pats to the superbowl in 97, but we will get to tall that later in this post.
I bet Ne does not win a superbowl with Manning as the qb. Manning could not win one with better talent around him. What makes you think he can win one with less? What makes you think the pats players would respect a guy notorious for throwing his players under the bus when things do not work out? Throwing his arms up in disgust when a teamate botches a play. Do not start either, all those years Brady and Manning squared off Manning had a massive advantage on the offensive side of the ball. In 2003 the pats where pegged to have absolutely no shot against that beast of an offense. Not a sole gave them a chance, then Manning choked and the savage pats d held them to three points. Brady went to work and the rest is history It was the same story time after time. You act like Bellichiks "System" is some big secret that every other coach in the league does not know about,studied or used in some way. All the nfl coaches learned the game of football with the same information.The NFL is a copy cat league. Everyone emulates or uses variations of things that win. Bill's system is variations of things everyone knows about. There is no big secret to it. Again, Bellicheck is a defensive genius, yes. Even then, it is all variations of things all coaches and coordinates know about. Bill just happens to be the best at what he does. It has been six years now. Dungy is a great coach, with a great system, Just watch the 2001 - 2006 seasons. The problem was never the system or talent, it was getting outplayed. Or manning folding under pressure. At the time Bledsoe played for NE , he was far from a scrub. He had just inked a huge deal over an extended period of time. He was the first overall pick in the draft. At the time when he started for NE he was thought of in a different light then he is now. He was in his prime. Lets talk about manning in 6 years,if he is still playing. Then equate his skills to when he is playing over the hill and past his prime. Drew has pretty good career numbers, look them up. You claimed to stick any "decent" QB in his spot and you get the same result. Bledsoe was better then "decent", at the time he was in NE. He led them to a superbpwl in 97, but you didnt know that. He had over 4000 yards passing in 96. But you said "decent" so we will stick with that. Further more, back in Clevelend Billichick had "decent" nfl qb's and his system tanked there for three years. He is a genius, but players need the ability to make it happen. You are better then decent if you are still starting in the NFL 300 years after your prime, like Bledsoe is/was.
Stop ignoring the facts, Manning has choked every single time all the pressure was layed square on him. If anyone is reliant on a system it is him. When it comes down to do or die, and all the marbles rest on him, he has failed for years on end. With all his weapons and all his big time receivers. When it is up to him, and the system cannot help him, he chokes.Time after time after time. While Brady has not. Brady has all the mvps and rings to prove it. All the huge playoff performances and wins when it was all rested on his shoulders. All the stats/videos of games where it happened are there mang. Everything I said occured. You are speculating, even then all the proof points against what you are saying.
If you would like to debate something, stop ignoring what you said, or the facts. Stop making claims without facts to back them up. There is mountains of evidence against your claim. Yet, none to support it. Just look at Brady's resume and stats. Hell, pull the games up on youtube. Lets see some proof.There is no one more clutch, well besides Montana. Keep the huge stats and white uniforms, well take the clutch guy who gets the job done and wins superbowls. I think you are jelous, like you admited in another post I have saved. So, you say anything to discredit or cut Brady down. We all see that by now. Holds true to most anything you do not agree with. You make statments, but ignore the pile of evidence that refute's every word you type. Ignore all Brady has accomplished and make wild claims! You are one sided with arguments.
BTW, I think Manning is one of the greatest qb's ever, who could get his ring this year. So save me the manning basher accusations. Stating facts and stats that actually happened is not hating. I made the comment for pure skill, manning is second to none.
Some of Drew's numbers in NE
1996 New England 16 83.7 373 623 59.9 4086 255.4 6.6 27 15 24 27 1.7 1.1 0 30 190 9
1997 New England 16 87.7 314 522 60.2 3706 231.6 7.1 28 15 28 55 3.4 2.0 0 30 258 4
1998 New England 14 80.9 263 481 54.7 3633 259.5 7.6 20 14 28 44 3.1 1.6 0 36 295 9
1999 New England 16 75.6 305 539 56.6 3985 249.1 7.4 19 21 42 101 6.3 2.4 0 55 342
2000 New England 16 77.3 312 531 58.8 3291 205.7 6.2 17 13 47 158 9.9 3.4 2 45 264 9
2001 New England 2 75.3 40 66 60.6 400 200.0 6.1 2 2 5 18 9.0 3.6 0 5 21 1 0
2002 Buffalo 16 86.0 375 610 61.5 4359 272.4 7.1 24 15 27 67 4.2 2.5 2 54 369 10 4
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I hate to admit it, but the metrosexual from Michigan is clutch. I haven't seen a player like him since that guy from Notre Dame that had a huge Cotton Bowl and went on to win 4 Superbowls. Bill would not have won without Tom and vice versa.
I agree.
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Exactly. Stick any decent QB in that system and I guarantee they win.
There's four possibilities for someone having this point of view.
1. You're so jealous of Brady and the Patriots success that it has blinded them from the truth.
2. You just hate all things Brady and or Patriots. Haters hate for numerous reasons, most likely that Brady and the Patriots consistently beat their team. The
reason doesn't really matter, it's still pure unadulterated hate.
3. You're too stupid to actually know anything about the NFL and what it takes to win.
4. You're a troll just looking for reactions.
It doesn't matter which one fits you, the point is you're wrong, dead wrong. The only team in the entire NFL that wouldn't sell their soles to the devil to have Brady leading their team is the Colts and I'm still not convinced they wouldn't trade up to Brady from Manning. Given the chance to trade Manning for Brady I'd say it's 50/50 they trade up to the proven winner. That's a fact.
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There's four possibilities for someone having this point of view.
1. You're so jealous of Brady and the Patriots success that it has blinded them from the truth.
2. You just hate all things Brady and or Patriots. Haters hate for numerous reasons, most likely that Brady and the Patriots consistently beat their team. The
reason doesn't really matter, it's still pure unadulterated hate.
3. You're too stupid to actually know anything about the NFL and what it takes to win.
4. You're a troll just looking for reactions.
It doesn't matter which one fits you, the point is you're wrong, dead wrong. The only team in the entire NFL that wouldn't sell their soles to the devil to have Brady leading their team is the Colts and I'm still not convinced they wouldn't trade up to Brady from Manning. Given the chance to trade Manning for Brady I'd say it's 50/50 they trade up to the proven winner. That's a fact.
Haha same people are still calling the world flat. There could not be more evidence to destroy a claim, then there is in this situation. It is all there on tape, lol. Best postseason record in history, 3 rings, 2 time sb mvp, lead the leauge in passing and has stats that mirror those of Montana, but he stinks!
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hahahahaha, option #4 seems to fit the bill pretty well "ieffinthatecardio".
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Haha same people are still calling the world flat. There could not be more evidence to destroy a claim, then there is in this situation. It is all there on tape, lol. Best postseason record in history, 3 rings, 2 time sb mvp, lead the leauge in passing and has stats that mirror those of Montana, but he stinks!
When all is said and done Brady might go down in history as the best and most clutch QB to ever play the game. Hell, as far as winning goes only Montana and Bradshaw are better.
You know the beauty of it all, he was chosen in the sixth round, that means every team passed him over at least 5 times and some 6 times before he was drafted.
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Yep, solid proof. Well that and Brady leading them to 3 superbowls , being 12 and 1 postseason, and winning the superbowl mvp award, twice.
Remember when they signed Belichnyk? All those questions and his record in Cleavland. No one thought the Sullivan's were thinking clearly. Now he's a genius. Billy Sullivan saw something that no one else saw.
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Remember when they signed Belichnyk? All those questions and his record in Cleavland. No one thought the Sullivan's were thinking clearly. Now he's a genius. Billy Sullivan saw something that no one else saw.
Kraft signed Bellichick. Are you talking about when Parcells was coaching here and Bellichick was his coordinator? Didn't Kiam bring in Parcells?
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Kraft signed Bellichick. Are you talking about when Parcells was coaching here and Bellichick was his coordinator? Didn't Kiam bring in Parcells?
Kraft and Parcells hated one another. Billichick was the buffer who kept the peace. Kraft loved Bellichick, he was the one who coaxed him into coaching the pats.
Smart move since Billichick is the reason Parcells has ever won anything. I never liked Parcells style of coaching. He has won nothing without Bill by his side. While Billicheck has won three rings on his own... Hmmmmmmm.
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I bet if you go look back at Bledsoe's career, he has been one of the most sacked quarterbacks wherever he's gone. Sure he made it to the 97 Super Bowl, but he floundered the entire game.
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Kraft and Parcells hated one another. Billichick was the buffer who kept the peace. Kraft loved Bellichick, he was the one who coaxed him into coaching the pats.
Smart move since Billichick is the reason Parcells has ever won anything. I never liked Parcells style of coaching. He has won nothing without Bill by his side. While Billicheck has won three rings on his own... Hmmmmmmm.
hahahaha, could you be any more of a fanboy? Unreal. So now Parcells is a terrible coach, eh? ::)
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hahahaha, could you be any more of a fanboy? Unreal. So now Parcells is a terrible coach, eh? ::)
No not at all, I am actually quoting a book. Parcells is an abusive coach. I was never a fan of that.
Bill won his rings with Billichick running his defense in NY. When they seperated Bill did nothing and Billicheck set new standerds. Just a true statement. If you do not like my posts do not respond to them.
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I bet if you go look back at Bledsoe's career, he has been one of the most sacked quarterbacks wherever he's gone. Sure he made it to the 97 Super Bowl, but he floundered the entire game.
Here are the numbers Kieth, check them out.
1996 New England 16 83.7 373 623 59.9 4086 255.4 6.6 27 15 24 27 1.7 1.1 0 30 190 9
1997 New England 16 87.7 314 522 60.2 3706 231.6 7.1 28 15 28 55 3.4 2.0 0 30 258 4
1998 New England 14 80.9 263 481 54.7 3633 259.5 7.6 20 14 28 44 3.1 1.6 0 36 295 9
1999 New England 16 75.6 305 539 56.6 3985 249.1 7.4 19 21 42 101 6.3 2.4 0 55 342
2000 New England 16 77.3 312 531 58.8 3291 205.7 6.2 17 13 47 158 9.9 3.4 2 45 264 9
2001 New England 2 75.3 40 66 60.6 400 200.0 6.1 2 2 5 18 9.0 3.6 0 5 21 1 0
2002 Buffalo 16 86.0 375 610 61.5 4359 272.4 7.1 24 15 27 67 4.2 2.5 2 54 369 10 4
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No not at all, I am actually quoting a book. Parcells is an abusive coach. I was never a fan of that.
Bill won his rings with Billichick running his defense in NY. When they seperated Bill did nothing and Billicheck set new standerds. Just a true statement. If you do not like my posts do not respond to them.
And where do you think Bellichick learned all his shit from? It just came to him in a dream I suppose. ::)
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And where do you think Bellichick learned all his shit from? It just came to him in a dream I suppose. ::)
Billichick's father was one of the greatest scouts to ever live. He was also one of the greatest assistant coaches ever to be in the game of football. Billicheck has been involved with coaching/football since he was about 5 years old.
Billicheck was Bills defensive coordinator. Bill sought him out and brought him in. If anything Parcells learned from Billichick. Billichick obviously had guidance from great coaches over the years. Long before he ever met Bill Parcells.He had many jobs breaking down film and coaching (with other teams college and pro) before He ever went to the Giants. You think Bill's first gig was in NY with the giants?
Do some research.
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Billichick's father was one of the greatest scouts to ever live. He was also one of the greatest assistant coaches ever to be in the game. Billicheck has been involved with coaching/football since he was about 5 years old.
Billicheck was Bills defensive coordinator. Bill sought him out and brought him in. If anything Parcells learned from Billichick. Billichick obviously had guidance from great coaches over the years. Long before he ever met Bill Parcells. You think he first gig was in NY with the giants?
Do some research.
Good point, Belichick's father wrote a very detailed book on scouting that is well respected. Belichick was learning about football when he was a toddler, football is literally in his blood. He's had many influential football people in his life and clearly Parcells is one of them.
The thing is Belichick surpassed Parcells. The pupil outgrew the teacher. When it's all said and done Belichick will probably be considered the greatest modern day football coach to have ever coached and NFL team.
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Payton wouldn't win in NE. The great thing about Greg Brady is his ability to make the right reads, and either eat the ball or take the sack. He doesn't commit drive killing mistakes. He has a weak arm, is marginally athletic, but has a freaking computer brain, and can assimilate information at an incredible rate, and make good decisions.
Payton, on the other hand, can't do ANYTHING against the 3-4 defense. As much credit as he gets for being so smart, and able to play call on the spot, he still can't see where the pressure comes from. Look back at the last six years and see the teams that take Indy apart, they all run the 3-4. Payton can blame protection problems, but Brady seemed to deal with Pittsburghs 3-4 quiet well in 2001, 2004. Paton was killed by them in the divisional round, and was taken out of the unbeaten ranks by a San Diego team that runs the same defense. In 03, Payton, again couldn't handle the Pats 3-4 D and Indy went home once again.
I want Indy to win, (Tony Dungy deserves one), but I don't think Payton will clutch up. Mannings are great at stats, but they haven't won anything, yet.
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Good point, Belichick's father wrote a very detailed book on scouting that is well respected. Belichick was learning about football when he was a toddler, football is literally in his blood. He's had many influential football people in his life and clearly Parcells is one of them.
The thing is Belichick surpassed Parcells. The pupil outgrew the teacher. When it's all said and done Belichick will probably be considered the greatest modern day football coach to have ever coached and NFL team.
I believe parcells contacted Billichick while Parcels was still at navy, but it never panned out. I am sure Billichick learned a lot from Parcels in his time with him ( when he was not taking his insults) Billichick genius was already developed long before he went to the Giants. Hell , when Billichick was in his early 20's he was the most sought after guy to break down film in the NFL.
Maybe my point of Billichick learning little from Bill was a little extreme ;)
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I believe parcells contacted Billichick while Parcels was still at navy, but it never panned out. I am sure Billichick learned a lot from Parcels in his time with him ( when he was not taking his insults) Billichick genius was already developed long before he went to the Giants. Hell , when Billichick was in his early 20's he was the most sought after guy to break down film in the NFL.
Maybe my point of Billichick learning little from Bill was a little extreme ;)
That's all I wanted to hear. To make those claims about Parcells is a little extreme.
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That's all I wanted to hear. To make those claims about Parcells is a little extreme.
I agree, while Bellichick may have been established as a defensive genius he took away the uncanny ability Parcells has to get every ounce of performance out of his players. Among other things obviously. My point is, Bellichick could only leave his time with Bill as better coach.
What I said was a bit extreme, I admit it.
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he wasn't a genius until bledsoe got hurt
before that he was 5-11 and had a losing record until brady came in
he also was a failure with the browns
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he wasn't a genius until bledsoe got hurt
before that he was 5-11 and had a losing record until brady came in
he also was a failure with the browns
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man was bledsoe over rated ::)
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man was bledsoe over rated ::)
belichick preferred him over brady ;D
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he wasn't a genius until bledsoe got hurt
before that he was 5-11 and had a losing record until brady came in
he also was a failure with the browns
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His defenses won two superbowls for the Giants. He was also considered a defensive genius within the nfl, long before he took a head coaching job. He was highly sought after by many teams. Look it up my friend! Either way , His record speaks for itself. 12 - 2 postseason, 5 straight division titles, 3 rings in 5 years and the complete turn around of a struggling franchise ;D
Dont be mad he put a whoopin on the steelers d earl ;)
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His defenses won two superbowls for the Giants. He was also considered a defensive genius within the nfl, long before he took a head coaching job. He was highly sought after by many teams. Look it up my friend! Either way , His record speaks for itself. 12 - 2 postseason, 5 straight division titles, 3 rings in 5 years and the complete turn around of a struggling franchise ;D
Dont be mad he put a whoopin on the steelers d earl ;)
I never said he was a bad coach definitly not
i'm just saying he doesn't deserve more credit than brady
he wasn't a supposed genius until brady became his qb
they said george seifert was a genius because he won a super bowl with montana and rice in their primes and also the super bowl the 9ers bought in 94 with steve young and company
he wasn't much of a genius when he coached carolina
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I never said he was a bad coach definitly not
i'm just saying he doesn't deserve more credit than brady
he wasn't a supposed genius until brady became his qb
they said george seifert was a genius because he won a super bowl with montana and rice in their primes and also the super bowl the 9ers bought in 94 with steve young and company
he wasn't much of a genius when he coached carolina
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Just pulling your leg buddy! I know how get about your steelers!
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Just pulling your leg buddy! I know how get about your steelers!
I know
I wasn't going to own you or anything ;D
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Totally agree.
Who gives a fcuk about whether Belichyk is an asshole off the field.
He's the Messiah of NFL, and has the record to show for it.
Those who give Tom Brady the credit for Patriots winning the Super Bowl are wrong IMO. It's all Belichyk.
The guy could've won with Testaverde on the Q. 8)
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most ignorant post i've ever read.
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Bledsoe could not win in that system. Neither could the guys that played for Bellichick in Clevelend. Tom has proven himself time after time.
The system does not make the adjustments to the pressure and make the throws. Have the uncanny ability to read defenses and react to them, to be so clutch at the biggest of moments, The guy is a two time sb mvp for a reason. Brady also led the league in passing last year with a great rating. he has gotten it done every time he has been called on. If there is not proof of his skill there is not proof we are all alive! It's all there, just watch the games!
I guess most the entire NFL who call brady one of the best of all time if not the best are all making it up for fun!!!
Bledsoe stinks. He is a statue and throws into triple coverage and crap like that way too much.
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Bledsoe stinks. He is a statue and throws into triple coverage and crap like that way too much.
I agree.
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Bledsoe stinks. He is a statue and throws into triple coverage and crap like that way too much.
Right, the point was the Bellichick system could not make just anyone a amazing qb. Nevermind a three time superbowl winner,12-1 postseason, wildly successful with 3 sets of different receivers (who are not top 20 guys, in a 6 year period), 2 time superbowl MVP and league leading passer with a 92 plus rating (in 05). Bellichick and Brady was the ying to the yang. A coaching/defensive genius mated to a QB with the clutch ability/skill to bring the system to life.
Back when Bledsoe led the pats to a superbowl in 97 he was considered a good qb. The Bledsoe reference was to the "decent" comment. In his prime Bledsoe was certainly "decent" I was speaking of the 97 - 2002 Bledsoe, not the current, over the hill version.
Bledsoe is far past his prime and should just retire.
Bledsoe's #
1996 New England 16 83.7 373 623 59.9 4086 255.4 6.6 27 15 24 27 1.7 1.1 0 30 190 9
1997 New England 16 87.7 314 522 60.2 3706 231.6 7.1 28 15 28 55 3.4 2.0 0 30 258 4
1998 New England 14 80.9 263 481 54.7 3633 259.5 7.6 20 14 28 44 3.1 1.6 0 36 295 9
1999 New England 16 75.6 305 539 56.6 3985 249.1 7.4 19 21 42 101 6.3 2.4 0 55 342
2000 New England 16 77.3 312 531 58.8 3291 205.7 6.2 17 13 47 158 9.9 3.4 2 45 264 9
2001 New England 2 75.3 40 66 60.6 400 200.0 6.1 2 2 5 18 9.0 3.6 0 5 21 1 0
2002 Buffalo 16 86.0 375 610 61.5 4359 272.4 7.1 24 15 27 67 4.2 2.5 2 54 369 10 4
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Okay, so that's one year he may have put up decent numbers. He was still a sack addict. And still throws into triple coverage.
Right, the point was the Bellichick system could not make just anyone a amazing qb. Nevermind a three time superbowl winner,12-1 postseason, wildly successful with 3 sets of different receivers (who are not top 20 guys, in a 6 year period), 2 time superbowl MVP and league leading passer with a 92 plus rating (in 05). Bellichick and Brady was the ying to the yang. A coaching/defensive genius mated to a QB with the clutch ability/skill to bring the system to life.
Back when Bledsoe led the pats to a superbowl in 97 he was considered a good qb. The Bledsoe reference was to the "decent" comment. In his prime Bledsoe was certainly "decent" I was speaking of the 97 - 2002 Bledsoe, not the current, over the hill version.
Bledsoe is far past his prime and should just retire.
Bledsoe's #
1996 New England 16 83.7 373 623 59.9 4086 255.4 6.6 27 15 24 27 1.7 1.1 0 30 190 9
1997 New England 16 87.7 314 522 60.2 3706 231.6 7.1 28 15 28 55 3.4 2.0 0 30 258 4
1998 New England 14 80.9 263 481 54.7 3633 259.5 7.6 20 14 28 44 3.1 1.6 0 36 295 9
1999 New England 16 75.6 305 539 56.6 3985 249.1 7.4 19 21 42 101 6.3 2.4 0 55 342
2000 New England 16 77.3 312 531 58.8 3291 205.7 6.2 17 13 47 158 9.9 3.4 2 45 264 9
2001 New England 2 75.3 40 66 60.6 400 200.0 6.1 2 2 5 18 9.0 3.6 0 5 21 1 0
2002 Buffalo 16 86.0 375 610 61.5 4359 272.4 7.1 24 15 27 67 4.2 2.5 2 54 369 10 4
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Right, the point was the Bellichick system could not make just anyone a amazing qb. Nevermind a three time superbowl winner,12-1 postseason, wildly successful with 3 sets of different receivers (who are not top 20 guys, in a 6 year period), 2 time superbowl MVP and league leading passer with a 92 plus rating (in 05). Bellichick and Brady was the ying to the yang. A coaching/defensive genius mated to a QB with the clutch ability/skill to bring the system to life.
Back when Bledsoe led the pats to a superbowl in 97 he was considered a good qb. The Bledsoe reference was to the "decent" comment. In his prime Bledsoe was certainly "decent" I was speaking of the 97 - 2002 Bledsoe, not the current, over the hill version.
Bledsoe is far past his prime and should just retire.
Bledsoe's #
1996 New England 16 83.7 373 623 59.9 4086 255.4 6.6 27 15 24 27 1.7 1.1 0 30 190 9
1997 New England 16 87.7 314 522 60.2 3706 231.6 7.1 28 15 28 55 3.4 2.0 0 30 258 4
1998 New England 14 80.9 263 481 54.7 3633 259.5 7.6 20 14 28 44 3.1 1.6 0 36 295 9
1999 New England 16 75.6 305 539 56.6 3985 249.1 7.4 19 21 42 101 6.3 2.4 0 55 342
2000 New England 16 77.3 312 531 58.8 3291 205.7 6.2 17 13 47 158 9.9 3.4 2 45 264 9
2001 New England 2 75.3 40 66 60.6 400 200.0 6.1 2 2 5 18 9.0 3.6 0 5 21 1 0
2002 Buffalo 16 86.0 375 610 61.5 4359 272.4 7.1 24 15 27 67 4.2 2.5 2 54 369 10 4
Didn't Bledsoe and Rick Mirer go 1 and 2 in the draft in 1993? Both were built up to be as good as Marino, Elway, Montana etc...
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mirer was a fucken joke for Seattle at least bledsoe can keep a team competitive
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mirer was a fucken joke for Seattle at least bledsoe can keep a team competitive
In his prime he was a good qb. Not great, but def good. people look at him now when he is over the hill and should be retired.
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Here are some stats of Brady and Mannings.
sept 30 2001
Brady Td's 0 Int 0 cp% (56.5)
Pats 44 - 13
Mannings Td's 1 Int 3 cp% (58)
Oct 21 2001
Brady Td's 3 Int 0 cp% (80)
Pats 38 - 17
Mannings Td's 1 Int 0 cp% (64.7)
Nov 30 2003
Brady Td's 2 Int 2 cp% (75)
Pats 38 - 34
Mannings Td's 4 Int 1 cp% (57)
Jan 18 2004
Brady Td's 1 Int 1 cp% (59.5)
Pats 24 - 14
Mannings Td's 1 Int 4 cp% (48.9)
Sept 9 2004
Brady Td's 3 Int 1 cp% (68.3)
Pats 27 - 24
Mannings Td's 2 Int 1 cp% (55.2)
Jan 16 2005
Brady Td's 1 Int 0 cp% (66.9)
Pats 20 - 3 (2003 afc championship)
Mannings Td's 0 Int 1 cp% (64)
Nov 7 2005
Brady Td's 3 Int 0 cp% (67)
colts 40 - 21
Mannings Td's 3 Int 1 cp% (74)
Nov 5 2006
Brady Td's 0 Int 4 cp% (58)
colts 27 - 20
Mannings Td's 2 Int 1 cp% (55)
Total playoff interception/td ratio for manning and Brady[/b] (vs all teams)
Brady 19 td 8 int
Manning 16 td 13 int
Brady 12 - 1 postseason
Manning 5 - 6
Manning - 60 season regular victories
Brady - 59
Brady - 3 time superbowl champion, 2 time superbowl mvp
Manning - 2 time leauge mvp, holder and breaker of numerous nfl records.
Brady : Led leauge in passing 05, 4110 yards 92.3
Manning : Led in 03, 4267 yards, rating 99
Current playoff stats
td int
1 Tom Brady NE 492 85 49 4 3 49 75.2 (worst playoff performance of career)
2 Peyton ManningIND 438 68 45 1 5 42 58.3 (also struggling)
I think Manning is one of the greatest qb's ever. These are merley stats from when the two faced of over the last six years. They are also stats from the playoffs as a whole.Some stats are rfom the regular season also. The are stats pulled from nfl.com and other credible sites. I am looking forward to tommorow's game as I think both qb's will have a great day. Merley a breakdown of the playoff history of the two great qb's.