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Black people 'should get over' slavery? Comment stuns lawmakers in Virginia
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
01/17/2007
RICHMOND, Va. — A state legislator said black people "should get over" slavery and questioned whether Jews should apologize "for killing Christ," drawing denunciations Tuesday from stunned colleagues.
Delegate Frank D. Hargrove, who is white and Christian, made his remarks in opposition to a measure that would apologize on the state's behalf to the descendants of slaves.
In an interview published Tuesday in The Daily Progress of Charlottesville, Hargrove, 79, said slavery ended nearly 140 years ago with the Civil War and added that "our black citizens should get over it."
The newspaper also quoted him as saying, "are we going to force the Jews to apologize for killing Christ?" Advertisement
Black lawmakers swiftly denounced Hargrove's comments.
"When somebody tells me I should just get over slavery, I can only express my emotion by projecting that I am appalled, absolutely appalled," said Delegate Dwight C. Jones, head of the Legislative Black Caucus.
Delegate David L. Englin also criticized Hargrove's remarks, recalling that his grandparents were driven from their homes in Poland "by people who believed that as Jews, we killed Christ."
When Hargrove rose to speak, he told Englin he didn't care about Englin's religion. "I think your skin was a little too thin," Hargrove said as lawmakers gasped and groaned.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/nation/story/1D08FAF095356F648625726600148CDD?OpenDocument
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I agree, it was 100+ years ago. How many generations is that?
We need to concentrate on what's happening NOW. Not what happened 100+ years ago.
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i like the idea of jews apologizing for jesus
ron?
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I agree, it was 100+ years ago. How many generations is that?
We need to concentrate on what's happening NOW. Not what happened 100+ years ago.
I don't really have an opinion on the apology, but I see Jim Crow as an extension of slavery, and Jim Crow ended in the 1960s (at least on paper). That was one generation ago.
My daughter and I were watching a documentary on the history of the Klan the other day and she was shocked at how recent a lot of this stuff was.
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he didn't word it well.
Perhaps, "no race, religion, creed, or other group should use any events of the past to excuse any actions of the present".
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He's right.
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he didn't word it well.
Perhaps, "no race, religion, creed, or other group should use any events of the past to excuse any actions of the present".
That would have been alot better, and actually would have benefited
He is right on this issue
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i have also heard talk of some people in the black community wanting reparations for slavery.
don't know if that was ever taken seriously.
good for mr. hargrove. i await jesse's response ::)
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Everywhere you look, there are always twenty million people praying someone in power will say something to offend them so they can sue, bitch, complain, or whine on the news. People of every race, group, etc.
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i have also heard talk of some people in the black community wanting reparations for slavery.
don't know if that was ever taken seriously.
good for mr. hargrove. i await jesse's response ::)
Reparations are a different issue. I don't think they work for at least a couple reasons: (1) they use the wrong reference point - slavery instead of Jim Crow (with slavery being too remote in time), and (2) there has been so much intermarriage and we have so many immigrants that I doubt you could identify pure blood African slave descendents. For example, Obama is half white and I think both his parents were immigrants. There are many others like him.
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hahaha i love it, some old guy speaking the truth and not giving a damn about what people think about it.
hes 100% corect.
if you were ever a slave, raise your hand and by all means you'll be repaid. if not, then shut the fuck up ::)
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One of the worst things ever to happen to human kind was the day somebody crafted up the word "Political Correct" >:(
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bez is itching to del this thread..
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bez is itching to del this thread..
::) why idiot, why would I care to delete this thread... I'm in this for the political debate, not to clockwerk the board into agreeing with me ::) Real nice of you to just make shit up in an attempt to paint me as a nazi mod. Now beat it paki.
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I agree, it was 100+ years ago. How many generations is that?
We need to concentrate on what's happening NOW. Not what happened 100+ years ago.
It is easy for those who don't walk in my shoes to say this.
a black man being tied up and dragged behind a pick up truck
a black man being shot 41 times for reaching for his wallet.
a black man being shot coming from his bachelor party on the day of his wedding.
a performer on stage calling hecklers black oprah winfrey was denied entry to an exclusive store in NYC because one saw a black face.
Former mayor on NYC not being able to hail down a cab because of his skin color.
It is not us as a black race who need to get over it.
It is about people who see our color first and ask questions later to get over it.
Sandra
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It is easy for those who don't walk in my shoes to say this.
a black man being tied up and dragged behind a pick up truck
a black man being shot 41 times for reaching for his wallet.
a black man being shot coming from his bachelor party on the day of his wedding.
a performer on stage calling hecklers Black oprah winfrey was denied entry to an exclusive store in NYC because one saw a black face.
Former mayor on NYC not being able to hail down a cab because of his skin color.
It is not us as a black race who need to get over it.
It is about people who see our color first and ask questions later to get over it.
Sandra
BRAVO Sandra! Very well said!
That man is clearly out of touch with reality, ...and clearly ill-equipped to represent his constituents.
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a black man being shot 41 times for reaching for his wallet.
by black cops no?
guys..guys..listen..most of the stuff you read on here is anti AMERICAN black...
i doubt most feel the same about blacks universally..
i dislike american blacks for the most part..
the rest of the black world r just normal folks..hell brian lara is my hero and he is west indian..
American blacks gotta have done something to peeve so many off..including myself..
right?
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::) why idiot, why would I care to delete this thread... I'm in this for the political debate, not to clockwerk the board into agreeing with me ::) Real nice of you to just make shit up in an attempt to paint me as a nazi mod. Now beat it paki.
shut yo mouth noob..
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2183987220152229508&q=brian+lara
meet Brian Lara folks..i met the man in karachi once....he has attained god status in my mind! 8)
you will NEVER see such classic text book style batting...poetry in motion!
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by black cops no?
No. That's Amadou Diallo. Murdered by the NYPD right outside his home. Tragic case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo
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No. That's Amadou Diallo. Murdered by the NYPD right outside his home. Tragic case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo
oopsie...
but still..
i could tell a 100 stories here..but i'm too lazy 2 type..
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they definately need to get over it. Every time you turn around some Jesse Jackson is crying about some "harm" done to the black race. Fuck em!!!
How many times do you read stories in the paper about black on white crime? Constantly, but how often are they chareged with a hate crime? Rarely. Fuck em. quit crying about it and make a change to fit in with the rest of society and stop looking for the pity handout. bitches. >:(
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It is easy for those who don't walk in my shoes to say this.
a black man being tied up and dragged behind a pick up truck
a black man being shot 41 times for reaching for his wallet.
a black man being shot coming from his bachelor party on the day of his wedding.
a performer on stage calling hecklers Black oprah winfrey was denied entry to an exclusive store in NYC because one saw a black face.
Former mayor on NYC not being able to hail down a cab because of his skin color.
It is not us as a black race who need to get over it.
It is about people who see our color first and ask questions later to get over it.
Sandra
Oh stop crying already! People of other colors deal with the same shit. Black people use the race card to be rude, disrespectful and to push their agendas. They're also openly racist towards other and they get away with it by playing the race card.
Easy to say shit when you're not on one end of something, but I bed to differ because I've seen the bullshit up close and I'm fucking sick of it.
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they definately need to get over it. Every time you turn around some Jesse Jackson is crying about some "harm" done to the black race. f**k em!!!
How many times do you read stories in the paper about black on white crime? Constantly, but how often are they chareged with a hate crime? Rarely. f**k em. quit crying about it and make a change to fit in with the rest of society and stop looking for the pity handout. bitches. >:(
Black on white crime cannot be seen as a hate crime. But white on black can. Any violent crime commitded by a minority on a white person cannot be charged as a hate crime. That is bullshit.I cant find the story but there was a murder in chicago a few years back of a singer of a white power band that was brutally killed (walking down the street) by a spic who was not even an americian citizen.
here is an article I was able to find, along the same lines of the other
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4207/is_19950228/ai_n10187017
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shut yo mouth noob..
You're going to have to do way better than that ;) Even if I were a nood, I'd happily take that over being clueless... sucks to be you, you're the only person who doesn't know what happened yesterday ;D
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First of all, that AP article was very unfair to this delegate. He did not "question whether 'jews should apologize for killing jesus'", he said (to paraphrase) once you go down this lane where does it stop. What about the immigrants who came over here as indentured servants and were kept slaves beyond their term?
If anybody should be getting reperations, what about the 100s of thousands of soldiers who died battling the confederacy, thus enabling blacks to gain their freedom (nominally at least)?
Sandra, of course there are still rascist people out there (although much of what you listed were not acts of rascism at all). However, you realize that there are far more black murders against white people then the other way around. I believe the number was something like 9 to 1 but i would have to check. Get over yourselves, blacks are not the only ethnic group discriminated against.
Why should Virginia apologize for anything? I live in virginia and my ancestors all came over to the US in the 1910-20s, and only relatively recently moved around these parts. Why should my state apologize for something that ended over 100 years ago? IT wasn't my state, it was people living in my state. Why don't these lawmakers demand apologies from Portuguese slave traders, their african kinsmen who often sold them to the slave traders, etc?
Maybe I wouldn't be so sick of these charades if I didn't see many blacks (and other races) in my area who get food stamps and other support from the government, all the while making no effort to better themselves other than scheming on others? Surely my grandfather, who came over from Galway in 1929 as a semi-illiterate 16 year old had a much harder path to success in front of him than most people in this state. In fact, the more I think about it I should be demanding an apology from England, for its vicious occupation of Ireland, as well as the US, for its discrimination against my Irish forefathers. What a crock of shit.
I am all for reperations upon the stipulation that those who collect a check must use it to move back to their ancestral land in Africa, what country or countries it may be. Actually, pick any one you like. I would love to see what percentage of blacks took up that offer, and than hear them complain and try to get more handouts because of "white guilt".
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First of all, that AP article was very unfair to this delegate. He did not "question whether 'jews should apologize for killing jesus'", he said (to paraphrase) once you go down this lane where does it stop. What about the immigrants who came over here as indentured servants and were kept slaves beyond their term?
If anybody should be getting reperations, what about the 100s of thousands of soldiers who died battling the confederacy, thus enabling blacks to gain their freedom (nominally at least)?
Sandra, of course there are still rascist people out there (although much of what you listed were not acts of rascism at all). However, you realize that there are far more black murders against white people then the other way around. I believe the number was something like 9 to 1 but i would have to check. Get over yourselves, blacks are not the only ethnic group discriminated against.
Why should Virginia apologize for anything? I live in virginia and my ancestors all came over to the US in the 1910-20s, and only relatively recently moved around these parts. Why should my state apologize for something that ended over 100 years ago? IT wasn't my state, it was people living in my state. Why don't these lawmakers demand apologies from Portuguese slave traders, their african kinsmen who often sold them to the slave traders, etc?
Maybe I wouldn't be so sick of these charades if I didn't see many blacks (and other races) in my area who get food stamps and other support from the government, all the while making no effort to better themselves other than scheming on others? Surely my grandfather, who came over from Galway in 1929 as a semi-illiterate 16 year old had a much harder path to success in front of him than most people in this state. In fact, the more I think about it I should be demanding an apology from England, for its vicious occupation of Ireland, as well as the US, for its discrimination against my Irish forefathers. What a crock of shit.
I am all for reperations upon the stipulation that those who collect a check must use it to move back to their ancestral land in Africa, what country or countries it may be. Actually, pick any one you like. I would love to see what percentage of blacks took up that offer, and than hear them complain and try to get more handouts because of "white guilt".
great post esp the last paragraph.
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First of all, that AP article was very unfair to this delegate. He did not "question whether 'jews should apologize for killing jesus'", he said (to paraphrase) once you go down this lane where does it stop. What about the immigrants who came over here as indentured servants and were kept slaves beyond their term?
If anybody should be getting reperations, what about the 100s of thousands of soldiers who died battling the confederacy, thus enabling blacks to gain their freedom (nominally at least)?
Sandra, of course there are still rascist people out there (although much of what you listed were not acts of rascism at all). However, you realize that there are far more black murders against white people then the other way around. I believe the number was something like 9 to 1 but i would have to check. Get over yourselves, blacks are not the only ethnic group discriminated against.
Why should Virginia apologize for anything? I live in virginia and my ancestors all came over to the US in the 1910-20s, and only relatively recently moved around these parts. Why should my state apologize for something that ended over 100 years ago? IT wasn't my state, it was people living in my state. Why don't these lawmakers demand apologies from Portuguese slave traders, their african kinsmen who often sold them to the slave traders, etc?
Maybe I wouldn't be so sick of these charades if I didn't see many blacks (and other races) in my area who get food stamps and other support from the government, all the while making no effort to better themselves other than scheming on others? Surely my grandfather, who came over from Galway in 1929 as a semi-illiterate 16 year old had a much harder path to success in front of him than most people in this state. In fact, the more I think about it I should be demanding an apology from England, for its vicious occupation of Ireland, as well as the US, for its discrimination against my Irish forefathers. What a crock of shit.
I am all for reperations upon the stipulation that those who collect a check must use it to move back to their ancestral land in Africa, what country or countries it may be. Actually, pick any one you like. I would love to see what percentage of blacks took up that offer, and than hear them complain and try to get more handouts because of "white guilt".
The basis of this thread is black people and slavery.
I never stated that other races don't suffer also.
Many blacks have bettered themselves, that isn't the point. For all races, you know discrimination when you see it and hear it.
It is those that continually perpetrate the discriminations need to educate themselves.
There are more whites on public assistance than blacks.
I agree with you on the reparations issue.
Sandra
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THere is certainly still some discrimination these days, in one form or another. However, an official state apology would accomplish nothing and could even hurt things.
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It is easy for those who don't walk in my shoes to say this.
a black man being tied up and dragged behind a pick up truck
a black man being shot 41 times for reaching for his wallet.
a black man being shot coming from his bachelor party on the day of his wedding.
a performer on stage calling hecklers Black oprah winfrey was denied entry to an exclusive store in NYC because one saw a black face.
Former mayor on NYC not being able to hail down a cab because of his skin color.
It is not us as a black race who need to get over it.
It is about people who see our color first and ask questions later to get over it.
Sandra
And that's what I'm Talking about!
We need to concentrate on what's happening NOW. Not what happened 100+ years ago.
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Why should Virginia apologize for anything? I live in virginia and my ancestors all came over to the US in the 1910-20s, and only relatively recently moved around these parts. Why should my state apologize for something that ended over 100 years ago? IT wasn't my state, it was people living in my state. Why don't these lawmakers demand apologies from Portuguese slave traders, their african kinsmen who often sold them to the slave traders, etc?
Virgina should apologize because it was confederate state bent on keeping its slave trade.
I would think there are 11 states that are responsible directly and many others that were serving the slave trade indirectly that should be looking into a formal apology and reparations.
The same thing should be performed for Native Americans in the Black Hills region of South Dakota and other states where the government stole their treaty land.
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First of all, that AP article was very unfair to this delegate. He did not "question whether 'jews should apologize for killing jesus'", he said (to paraphrase) once you go down this lane where does it stop. What about the immigrants who came over here as indentured servants and were kept slaves beyond their term?
If anybody should be getting reperations, what about the 100s of thousands of soldiers who died battling the confederacy, thus enabling blacks to gain their freedom (nominally at least)?
Sandra, of course there are still rascist people out there (although much of what you listed were not acts of rascism at all). However, you realize that there are far more black murders against white people then the other way around. I believe the number was something like 9 to 1 but i would have to check. Get over yourselves, blacks are not the only ethnic group discriminated against.
Why should Virginia apologize for anything? I live in virginia and my ancestors all came over to the US in the 1910-20s, and only relatively recently moved around these parts. Why should my state apologize for something that ended over 100 years ago? IT wasn't my state, it was people living in my state. Why don't these lawmakers demand apologies from Portuguese slave traders, their african kinsmen who often sold them to the slave traders, etc?
Maybe I wouldn't be so sick of these charades if I didn't see many blacks (and other races) in my area who get food stamps and other support from the government, all the while making no effort to better themselves other than scheming on others? Surely my grandfather, who came over from Galway in 1929 as a semi-illiterate 16 year old had a much harder path to success in front of him than most people in this state. In fact, the more I think about it I should be demanding an apology from England, for its vicious occupation of Ireland, as well as the US, for its discrimination against my Irish forefathers. What a crock of shit.
I am all for reperations upon the stipulation that those who collect a check must use it to move back to their ancestral land in Africa, what country or countries it may be. Actually, pick any one you like. I would love to see what percentage of blacks took up that offer, and than hear them complain and try to get more handouts because of "white guilt".
PLEEEEEEEEEASE show me a stat to back that up
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Virgina should apologize because it was confederate state bent on keeping its slave trade.
I would think there are 11 states that are responsible directly and many others that were serving the slave trade indirectly that should be looking into a formal apology and reparations.
Jesus you're on big fucktard. How dare you say they should be reparamend? Fuck is wrong with you? From whos fucking pocket would that money come out of? I'd fucking take up arms if my tax dollars were ever used to pay someone FOR SOMETHING I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH.
BY your logic I should be reparemend for black robbery of my uncle's gas station and blacks eating off of government transfer payments.
Blacks need to stop whining and follow the example set my model minorities, such as Asians.
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Jesus you're on big fucktard. How dare you say they should be reparamend? f**k is wrong with you? From whos fucking pocket would that money come out of? I'd fucking take up arms if my tax dollars were ever used to pay someone FOR SOMETHING I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH.
BY your logic I should be reparemend for black robbery of my uncle's gas station and blacks eating off of government transfer payments.
Blacks need to stop whining and follow the example set my model minorities, such as Asians.
Facts are facts. Slavery happened and Virginia was among the states responsible.
Also America screwed some of these former slaves twice. Once with slavery and again when the government took the land back.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40_acres_and_a_mule (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40_acres_and_a_mule)
The former slaves and offspring are still entitled to compensation.
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He's right. Infact they should be thankful really! I mean given the choice, where would they rather have been born? Africa or America?
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hahahaha ::)
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Facts are facts. Slavery happened and Virginia was among the states responsible.
Also America screwed some of these former slaves twice. Once with slavery and again when the government took the land back.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40_acres_and_a_mule (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40_acres_and_a_mule)
The former slaves and offspring are still entitled to compensation.
Why don't you send them they're checks?
I don't give a shit what happened in the past, so neither I or any other american should have to pay shit to anyone.
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Why don't you send them they're checks?
I don't give a shit what happened in the past, so neither I or any other american should have to pay shit to anyone.
Reparations will happen and your family as well as all other Americans will pay for it, as well as business that were complicit throughout the slave trade.
BTW, You care about the past, you are ranting about Israel and Palestine all of the time.
Palestine got screwed over in the past, I guess it is time to move on.
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hahaha i love it, some old guy speaking the truth and not giving a damn about what people think about it.
hes 100% corect.
He's an idiot.
So you two have something in common.
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He's right. Infact they should be thankful really! I mean given the choice, where would they rather have been born? Africa or America?
Diesel1 no disrespect dude you know me but i have to disagree.
The thing is this...seriously
Think to yourself...what made America the super power it is now... Production with no overhead...We were able to export expensive goods w/o capital. So everything is 100% profit. Can you dig it?
If i owned an IT computer service but all my employees worked for free and i still got lots of business i would have the largest growth period in the history of business because all of my rev would be profit and could be used to expand.
That being said the slaves (free labor capital) were a huge resource (actually the number 1) towards the growth of America.
And for the state of Africa...
Ever heard of the Berlin Conference or the Scramble for Africa? It is where Neo Imperialism began with the Invasion and colonization of Africa. Why africa...Extremely rich in valuable natural resources. So we are talking about absentee landlords here. Slum lords...you know, people that own an appartment building but do nothing but collect the rent. Dont really make the conditions for its tenants any better. They just run the building into the ground until the resources (money) dry up and they move to the next one.
To me that is an explaination to the state africa that we all know. BEcause what other factors can you attribute to it..."Oh they are just dumb blacks" ...dude come onethat has been disproved many times...
This is how it is, there is an explanination for everything and nothing just is. Find the explaination and then find a solution. Or atleast get a better understanding of the current situation.
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Blacks need to stop whining and follow the example set my model minorities, such as Asians.
i agree about the asians, asian americans aretypically model citizens...they quietly go about their business and get stuff done, they succeed, they are respectful, dont whine all the time, dont expect reparations for the chinese labor that built up california, and most importantly DONT CAUSE CRIME/PROBLEMS/SOCIAL CANCERS SUCH AS THE HIP-HOP'THUG' CULTURE.
asian americans>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>black americans
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Reparations will happen and your family as well as all other Americans will pay for it, as well as business that were complicit throughout the slave trade.
Shut The Fuck Up
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HIP-HOP'THUG' CULTURE.
FYI, kid - that was created by Whites and Jews.
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The thing is this...seriously
Think to yourself...what made America the super power it is now... Production with no overhead...We were able to export expensive goods w/o capital. So everything is 100% profit. Can you dig it?
100% correct.
But that's not taught in American schools, which is why so many Americans are ignorant of true reality.
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so...ummmm like no one has the intellectual capacity to refute my proposed to my explanations....240, maybe camel jockey....someone.
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100% correct.
But that's not taught in American schools, which is why so many Americans are ignorant of true reality.
Crickets...........
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Crickets...........
lol. ;D Big mal I cannot argue with the fact that much of our industry in the 19th century was built on the backs of slaves. And there is no question American slavery was evil. What I don't think we can do is connect slavery with reparations (even though that wasn't really the topic of this thread, but it has morphed). I think Jim Crow is a better reference point than slavery, because we are one generation removed from segregation, but even then it is too problematic given the dilution of the races in this country.
Re the apology, after reflecting on this, I don't really see the big deal. Clinton apologized for slavery. The country survived. If Virginia wants to do it, so what? Now, putting your hand in my pocket is another story. :)
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i can dig it beach bum...I damn sure dont think we need reparations...seriously speaking....giving a bunch of niggas (as opposed to black people) money is not going to help the country at all. depending on the amount i dont see it really benefitting our country. I typed the post up there to explain why the "we should be glad to be in america" is a crock of shit. And i also agree that jim crow is a better reference point but actually i would have rather given the rep's in that generation.
lol. ;D Big mal I cannot argue with the fact that much of our industry in the 19th century was built on the backs of slaves. And there is no question American slavery was evil. What I don't think we can do is connect slavery with reparations (even though that wasn't really the topic of this thread, but it has morphed). I think Jim Crow is a better reference point than slavery, because we are one generation removed from segregation, but even then it is too problematic given the dilution of the races in this country.
Re the apology, after reflecting on this, I don't really see the big deal. Clinton apologized for slavery. The country survived. If Virginia wants to do it, so what? Now, putting your hand in my pocket is another story. :)
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Crickets...........
ill deflate you and tre's little delusional idea that 'america is great now because of black slaves' hahahahaha
yes the south obviously benefitted from free labor but their economy was based on cotton export and could only continue for so long. not a good foundation to build a superpower on.
the vast majority of america's economic might came from the industries of the north which basically ran on exploited WHITE labor. not technically slaves because they were 'paid' but virtually slave labor in every other sense.
the reason the north wanted to contain slavery and keep it in the states it was already in is because they wanted to keep the western half of the continent open to WHITE labor, so they could have jobs that wouldnt be done for free by black slaves.
yes the poor black slaves did get screwed and did contribute to america's success, but not even close to how much was contributed by the exploited white labor in the northern industries.
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ill deflate you and tre's little delusional idea that 'america is great now because of black slaves' hahahahaha
yes the south obviously benefitted from free labor but their economy was based on cotton export and could only continue for so long. not a good foundation to build a superpower on.
the vast majority of america's economic might came from the industries of the north which basically ran on exploited WHITE labor. not technically slaves because they were 'paid' but virtually slave labor in every other sense.
the reason the north wanted to contain slavery and keep it in the states it was already in is because they wanted to keep the western half of the continent open to WHITE labor, so they could have jobs that wouldnt be done for free by black slaves.
yes the poor black slaves did get screwed and did contribute to america's success, but not even close to how much was contributed by the exploited white labor in the northern industries.
Shittin me right.....Industrial boom...Circa 1840. The US was already making making huge land deals with France before then....(see louisiana Purchase). you retarted f**k...The backbone of america was Free capital provided by slaves... The US was a superpower by 1803...now you tell me what Industrial Phenom happend prior to then...NONE. The US was an AGRI nation before the industrial Revolution. Agri that is worked by whom. sort of like california is now (californias major export is agri and california is the 5th largest economy in the world.)
Deflate that
Dude i do this.
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Shittin me right.....Industrial boom...Circa 1840. The us was already making making huge land deals with france before then....(see louisiana Purchase). you retarted f**k...The backbone of america was Free capital provided by slaves... The US was a superpower by 1803...now you tell me what Industrial Phenom happend prior to then...NONE. The us was an AGRI nation before the industrial Revolution. sort of like california is now (californias major export is agri and california is the 5th largest economy in the world.)
Deflate that
1.the US was a 'superpower' by 1803? hahahahahaha ok
2.no shit we were an AGRI nation before an industrial nation (rocket science right there) but we were NOT a superpower prior to industrialising.
3. the only time in the history of the US when slaves were the 'backbone of the US economy' was at an extremely early point in our history when we were still weak and entirely dependent on agriculture.
at no point was the US both a Superpower and economically based on slave agriculture work.
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In fact, the more I think about it I should be demanding an apology from England, for its vicious occupation of Ireland, as well as the US, for its discrimination against my Irish forefathers. What a crock of shit.
lol... Thats exactly what I was thinking.
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1.the US was a 'superpower' by 1803? hahahahahaha ok
2.no shit we were an AGRI nation before an industrial nation (rocket science right there) but we were NOT a superpower prior to industrialising.
3. the only time in the history of the US when slaves were the 'backbone of the US economy' was at an extremely early point in our history when we were still weak and entirely dependent on agriculture.
at no point was the US both a Superpower and economically based on slave agriculture work.
Dude you said nothing there...hahaha ok...thats your response...fuckin rookie
Superpower is having the means to make major international transactions. the loiusiana purchase would qualify. 23+million in the late 17 early 1800s would qualify.
So if the industrial boom (really didnt hit the us until the late 1800's) was after agri. But we were a force in the world before the industrial boom what would that mean...let me help you...it would mean that agriculture (much much more than cotton ever heard of tobacco row) was the main source of rev for the states....Name something else. PLEASE name an export that is responsible for the rev generated before steel.
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Dude you said nothing there...hahaha ok...thats your response...fuckin rookie
Superpower is having the means to make major international transactions. the loiusiana purchase would qualify. 23+million in the late 17 early 1800s would qualify.
So if the industrial boom (really didnt hit the us until the late 1800's) was after agri. But we were a force in the world before the industrial boom what would that mean...let me help you...it would mean that agriculture (much much more than cotton ever heard of tobacco row) was the main source of rev for the states....Name something else. PLEASE name an export that is responsible for the rev generated before steel.
i guess we have different opinions of what a superpower is. also what is the point of your last paragraph? i already stated that slave agriculture was what we were based on economically in the early years. all you did was repeat this. the US did not become a true superpower until we built up our industrial might, in fact id say we werent a superpower until the later part of the 19th century, arguably not until ww1, some would say not until ww2.
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i guess we have different opinions of what a superpower is. also what is the point of your last paragraph? i already stated that slave agriculture was what we were based on economically in the early years. all you did was repeat this. the US did not become a true superpower until we built up our industrial might, in fact id say we werent a superpower until the later part of the 19th century, arguably not until ww1, some would say not until ww2.
Dude we were a superpower way before 1917 or 1940. You are a smart guy...you know this. Though the term super didnt emerge until maybe the 1930's-1940's (which is what i think you are confusing it with) the US had the Characteristics of a superpower long before then...We had a military that was capable of successful defense of foreign invaders, cultural influence based on our own ideals, and then we did have an extremely large land mass under our control. A land mass that produced resources to sustain us. We were all of those things during the early to mid 1800's
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Didn't Africans actually trade each other to the white man? ???
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we had the resources in place to be a superpower in the future(like u said the land mass-the whole damn continent pretty much) but it took time to build up to that status. its hard to say we were a superpower as early as u say when in 1812 the brits came over on a whim marched straight to the capital and burned washington to the ground. we had the resources and tools necessary for a future superpower but werent there yet imo.
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we had the resources in place to be a superpower in the future(like u said the land mass-the whole damn continent pretty much) but it took time to build up to that status. its hard to say we were a superpower as early as u say when in 1812 the brits came over on a whim marched straight to the capital and burned washington to the ground. we had the resources and tools necessary for a future superpower but werent there yet imo.
Very good point. ;)
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yes the south obviously benefitted from free labor but their economy was based on cotton export and could only continue for so long. not a good foundation to build a superpower on.
Um, ever heard of tobacco?
There would be no America - at least, not as we know it today - if not for the tobacco trade.
Somehow, you've been tricked into believing that America's greatness is something that just 'happened' in the last 75 years, when in reality, the seeds for it were planted centuries ago.
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Where should one start. Slavery was an economic institution, or a venture into free labor---probably the instance in Am hist where you could get "something for nothing". So good was it there was a Civil War, because states wanted to succeed just to keep this free labor system going. I could go on, but why :-\.
Secondly, slavery was a lifestyle, a way of life. just like your used to turning on light and having electricity,expecting to be paid foe yoru work, etc. So it was a way of life for a couple hundred years? And do you think those stereotypes, superiority and inferiority complexes are going to go away due to time. Especially when people profit off of them ,and also those who portray them, either feel comfortable in not changing the negative aspects of said behavior, or find it too hard to "step to the next level".
I've seen with my own eyes, body parts that were cut off a lynched black man's body in the 1940's. They were in Mason jars. And some of these dudes who did that mess are still alive and well. What does this say about Am? i have other personal stories, but this is not the forum .
What needs to be done is some honest, good old fashion sit down and talk. Seminars, let it out. What you think needs to be fixed, how it should be fixed. Just let it out. Becuase this can be used to divide Americans (while your paying attention to this, what are "they" doing , or bring them together.
Of course the ones who need to do this and respond this post, will not, it easier to criticize than to act.
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Current blacks have not felt the direct effects of slavery. Do you see Jews asking for reparations? Do they cry about everything? No. they are the most persecuted people throughout history IMO and you hear little bitching from them compared to blacks.
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Reparations will happen and your family as well as all other Americans will pay for it, as well as business that were complicit throughout the slave trade.
BTW, You care about the past, you are ranting about Israel and Palestine all of the time.
Palestine got screwed over in the past, I guess it is time to move on.
Indeed they did. Arabs have to accept Israel for what they are.
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Current blacks have not felt the direct effects of slavery.
You're not familiar with trickle-down economics, I see.
Do you see Jews asking for reparations? Do they cry about everything? No. they are the most persecuted people throughout history IMO and you hear little bitching from them compared to blacks.
Jews are fine, primarily because they know how to spend their money wisely.
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... you hear little bitching from them compared to blacks.
Next time you hear 'bitching from Blacks', be certain to take note of which media outlet you're reading, listening to, or watching.
I'm willing to bet money that it's owned by Whites.
Hmmm...
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Jews are fine, primarily because they know how to spend their money wisely.
So true. Pimped out cars and bling are poor investments.
Next time you hear 'bitch from Blacks', be certain to take note of which media outlet you're reading, listening to, or watching.
I'm willing to bet money that it's owned by Whites.
Hmmm...
You mean the BS coming from Jesse Jackson, the biggest racist out there.
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so...ummmm like no one has the intellectual capacity to refute my proposed to my explanations....240, maybe camel jockey....someone.
Dude, I'm thankful for the contributions of the civil rights movements and I know what slaves were subject to was quite brutal. However, how does giving current african americans money for the past accomplish anything at all? Wouldn't that money be better spent improving the school systems in urban areas? I know slavery had a big role in building up America, but the main reason America is where it's at is because of its free market system.
I understand your frustration and the frustration of other African Americans, so don't think we're ignorant on that issue. You can say what you will on slavery, the Jim Crow south, but still it doesn't mean I have to give you a dime for the past. I was not responsible for slavery, nor did I reap the benefits, so you have no right to hold me accountable, or any other American for that matter.
I find it funny that a_joker, a guy who claims he's a classical liberal, thinks black Americans should be payed for the past. I think the guy's a closet socialist at heart, and it's even funnier when he openly supports imperialism because in his delusional mind he think it brings equity to the poor. ::)
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Next time you hear 'bitch from Blacks', be certain to take note of which media outlet you're reading, listening to, or watching.
Actually most of the bitching I've seen has come directly from the blacks I've come across, not media outlets.
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You mean the BS coming from Jesse Jackson, the biggest racist out there.
No matter what is going on in the world, the Zionist media in this country will do whatever it can to get a microphone and camera in front of Jesse Jackson's face.
It will take Black America centuries to undo the damage done by him in just a few decades.
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No matter what is going on in the world, the Zionist media in this country will do whatever it can to get a microphone and camera in front of Jesse Jackson's face.
It will take Black America centuries to undo the damage done by him in just a few decades.
Aren't you critic of 'blame the jews!'? Now you're admiting there's a Zionist media when your agenda has come up. ::)
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Better yet. Let's give CA back to Mexico. Handouts don't solve anything and the black community has the hand out mentality so ingrained in their culture that it will take centuries to undo it. If welfare got cut off tomorrow for able bodied workers, people wouldn't know what to do because they don't have work ethic in them.
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I was not responsible for slavery, nor did I reap the benefits...
Black, White, Brown, whatever...we've all benefitted.
The best repayment plan, however, would involve making sure that all our nation's public schools are providing an adequate education for all people.
That does NOT mean that every school has to be 'equal', but some schools aren't even trying.
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Better yet. Let's give CA back to Mexico. Handouts don't solve anything and the black community has the hand out mentality so ingrained in their culture that it will take centuries to undo it. If welfare got cut off tomorrow for able bodied workers, people wouldn't know what to do because they don't have work ethic in them.
The funny shit is that illegals think they have the right to march into this country because cali and texas were once a part of mexico.
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Aren't you critic of 'blame the jews!'? Now you're admiting there's a Zionist media when your agenda has come up. ::)
I just threw 'Zionist' in there to see how it would sound. lol
I love the Jews myself, but they also have a lot of control in media.
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Black, White, Brown, whatever...we've all benefitted.
The best repayment plan, however, would involve making sure that all our nation's public schools are providing an adequate education for all people.
That does NOT mean that every school has to be 'equal', but some schools aren't even trying.
I know man. As someone who went to NYC public school, let me tell you from personal experience that the system is an absolute mess. I'm all for increased spending in urban areas, but no free hand outs to people.
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Current blacks have not felt the direct effects of slavery. Do you see Jews asking for reparations? Do they cry about everything?
They got some serious reparations. Billions of dollars of loot. And that is not including The many they were given by Swiss banks that the Nazis had hid. Or the paintings and jewelry that Nazi hid and stole in Austria and Switz. There were recently more judicials rulings within the last 8 yrs.
And lets not forget, pushing the Palestinians out of their land, creating Israel...when true Jews (jews of antueity) look more like the Palestinians (people of color) than Europeans. They have religious claims of the land, not genetic claim.
The relatives of japanese internment camp victims during WWII have received reparations as well.
Reconstruction was a quasi-way of creating government sponsored Reparation. Crating black colleges, schools. 40 acres and mule was not a law, but was mulled over. Essentialy, everything was stopped...Don't want those blacks to have true equality....hell, they're still slaves, "obsolete farm equipment"
I think it is stupid to think that I will get reparations for the free labor my ancestors did, back pay, if you will...It makes sense, but worthless to fight over, when there are other things more important. Never gonna happen. And would have never happened back when former slaves were still alive.
I ask you this, becuae you say your Italian and Spanish. Imagine if your culture, identity did not exist or was stripped away. One is mixed with this, that (Nigerian, Mali,Wolof, etc.) A Korean has his Korean heritage, a Chinese his, a Frenchman his. Af-Am's have none,even though we are an amalgam of Anglo and African. Nothing really to point to that says..."this came from such and such".
Then, to be taught, your hair texture is "bad" and believe that and come up with things to straigthen it. Anything is bad that is associated with you, and you teach that to your kids, hence the use of calling one's self nig**. I guess you can see where i am going with this, so i won't go further.
Would you still say, "Don't cry over this"
Or would understand a mentality that has, yes fostered a "victim mentality", Or a metality that gets pissed off when you get criticized, like your always being watched over more than others, and if you f-up, that's it.
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Handouts don't solve anything and the black community has the hand out mentality so ingrained in their culture...
Keep in mind that our country spends far more to lock up young Black men than we do to educate them. I don't have the exact stats in front of me, but as I recall, we spend 4 times as much on imprisoning them.
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Keep in mind that our country spends far more to lock up young Black men than we do to educate them. I don't have the exact stats in front of me, but as I recall, we spend 4 times as much on imprisoning them.
Well, that's in large part due to the worthless and pointless war on drugs. I dunno the exact stat, but aren't 50% of inmates drug offenders? Legalize and tax marijuana and you wont have to lock up a youngster for having a joint in his mouth, but the nazis wont allow that. ::)
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The relatives of japanese internment camp victims during WWII have received reparations as well.
"The United States Government has paid $1.2 billion or $20,000 per person for each Japanese American illegally imprisoned in American concentration camps during World War II. Further, the American government has issued an apology for the illegal imprisonment of the Japanese in America."
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Well, that's in large part due to the worthless and pointless war on drugs. I dunno the exact stat, but aren't 50% of inmates drug offenders? Legalize and tax marijuana and you wont have to lock up a youngster for having a joint in his mouth, but the nazis wont allow that. ::)
Right. We allowed our government to get away with deciding that there is somehow a distinction between powdered cocaine and crack.
Same drug, different sentencing.
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The best repayment plan, however, would involve making sure that all our nation's public schools are providing an adequate education for all people.
Agree.
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Agree.
Definitely agree. Education is the ultimate Reparation.
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"The United States Government has paid $1.2 billion or $20,000 per person for each Japanese American illegally imprisoned in American concentration camps during World War II. Further, the American government has issued an apology for the illegal imprisonment of the Japanese in America."
did the US give money to the people that were in the interment camps or their offspring? I dont support reperations at all. Mainly because it would be hard to track down acctual anscestory. Would we give reperations to all blacks in the US or just the ones who are dirrect anscestors of slaves? how much would we give? I think that if we give anything (which wont happen) it should be whatever people were paid back then. It wouldnt be much but maybe it would make them happy. Why not give them like .02c per hour for 20 years that would be like 832$. I dont think that it would be right to give any more because why do they deserve it? People say because they helped form america. Yea they did but so did the other people that were around then, they didnt get anymore than that.
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did the US give money to the people that were in the interment camps or their offspring? I dont support reperations at all. Mainly because it would be hard to track down acctual anscestory. Would we give reperations to all blacks in the US or just the ones who are dirrect anscestors of slaves? how much would we give? I think that if we give anything (which wont happen) it should be whatever people were paid back then. It wouldnt be much but maybe it would make them happy. Why not give them like .02c per hour for 20 years that would be like 832$. I dont think that it would be right to give any more because why do they deserve it? People say because they helped form america. Yea they did but so did the other people that were around then, they didnt get anymore than that.
Agree
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Keep in mind that our country spends far more to lock up young Black men than we do to educate them. I don't have the exact stats in front of me, but as I recall, we spend 4 times as much on imprisoning them.
DO young blacks stay in school or do they work at 15 to support their illegitimate children and sell drugs? Whose fault is it they drop out at high numbers. Their parents had children young which makes the chances of them doing it higher and they do and take my tax dollars to feed themselves and their children.
If we gave blacks reparations it would be the Dave Chapelle skit in real life. Cadillac would surpass all other car companies and diamonds would lose value so quick.
Definitely agree. Education is the ultimate Reparation.
They choose not to take advantage of education and piss my tax dollars away. That's all the money I want/have to give and that is too much for how they treat it.
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They choose not to take advantage of education and piss my tax dollars away. That's all the money I want/have to give and that is too much for how they treat it.
Is it ok to use your money to send predominantly Black and Latino people (relative to their percentage in the population) to their deaths in Iraq?
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Is it ok to use your money to send predominantly Black and Latino people (relative to their percentage in the population) to their deaths in Iraq?
Hell if my gf wasn't such a pain in the ass I'd be over there sniping those fuckers. And yes, if THEY sign up, more power to them. They get a GI Bill out of it.
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Hell if my gf wasn't such a pain in the ass I'd be over there sniping those fuckers. And yes, if THEY sign up, more power to them. They get a GI Bill out of it.
me too but its too late mow. I am having a babie on 7/15 so now it is deff. to late
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Is it ok to use your money to send predominantly Black and Latino people (relative to their percentage in the population) to their deaths in Iraq?
VOLUNTEER ARMY. and as an article i posted earlier, the percentages of races in the armed forces are close to the rest of the population, much closer thatn what you woudl believe.
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The main reason US became such an industrial power was due to its factories in the North. The unions economy was much larger and growing quickly whie the southern states had nowhere but down to go.
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They get a GI Bill out of it.
lol @ a GI Bill
If only people realized just how little worth those things have today...
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lol @ a GI Bill
If only people realized just how little worth those things have today...
40 grand signing bonus and 50 grand after service aint bad dude. Esp if you come from nothing and save money if you and spouse live on base and she can save money
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40 grand signing bonus and 50 grand after service aint bad dude. Esp if you come from nothing and save money if you and spouse live on base and she can save money
Take a pell grant and/or stafford loan, work PT at the mall, and don't get shot at. :)
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i agree about the asians, asian americans aretypically model citizens...they quietly go about their business and get stuff done, they succeed, they are respectful, dont whine all the time, dont expect reparations for the chinese labor that built up california, and most importantly DONT CAUSE CRIME/PROBLEMS/SOCIAL CANCERS SUCH AS THE HIP-HOP'THUG' CULTURE.
asian americans>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>black americans
Dude, you clearly know nothing about Asians. No disrepect to Asians intended. Some of my best friends and business partners are Asians, but you clearly know nothing about their culture, or their attitudes, or their crime stats, because so rarely do they get reported. And as for crime committed by Asians, don't even think of messing with a member of a triad. {lol} don't even LOOK the wrong way at someone who knew someone who heard of someone in a triad. :o
Just because the media like to sensationalize their reports about the mouse in your house, ...don't for a minute mistake that one tiny mouse, as more dangerous than the 500 scorpions, and 300 rattlesnakes slithering around through your vents. something for you to think about. 8)
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Current blacks have not felt the direct effects of slavery. Do you see Jews asking for reparations? Do they cry about everything? No. they are the most persecuted people throughout history IMO and you hear little bitching from them compared to blacks.
This is one of the stupidest comments I've ever heard on these boards. What the f do YOU know about what current blacks today are feeling. What do YOU know about what it's like to be Black. Go read "Black Like Me". until then stfu. ::) {please and thankyou}
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The funny shit is that illegals think they have the right to march into this country because cali and texas were once a part of mexico.
Why wouldn't they? America's long time support for Zionism, and complicity in human rights abuses by Israel based on a supposed ancestral claim to the land, sets a pretty clear precedent don't ya think?
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i can dig it beach bum...I damn sure dont think we need reparations...seriously speaking....giving a bunch of niggas (as opposed to black people) money is not going to help the country at all. depending on the amount i dont see it really benefitting our country.
Oh I don't know about that, ...could cause the economy to soar,
...at least, ...according to these economists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnloMMvC_8k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnloMMvC_8k)
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This is one of the stupidest comments I've ever heard on these boards. What the f do YOU know about what current blacks today are feeling. What do YOU know about what it's like to be Black. Go read "Black Like Me". until then stfu. ::) {please and thankyou}
I have to admit getting a chuckle out of this, "Do you see Jews asking for reparations? Do they cry about everything? No..." ;D Oh boy, no comment :P
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The past is the past, you can't change so why sit around and dwell on it, move forward, be positive and move on to bigger and better things.................. .... or you can act like an immature ni66er and make excuses as to why your not succeeding, bring up things that happened well before your lifetime while forgeting that the place you came from is now filled with civil war, an aids epidemic and a hunger crisis.
Get over it, it has happened to every race of people on this earth at some point in time and life goes on so man up and don't take it like a bitch.
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lol @ a GI Bill
If only people realized just how little worth those things have today...
It hooked me up when I needed it.
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This is one of the stupidest comments I've ever heard on these boards. What the f do YOU know about what current blacks today are feeling. What do YOU know about what it's like to be Black. Go read "Black Like Me". until then stfu. ::) {please and thankyou}
You go Jag!
show me one race where their past isn't having a direct effect on their present life.
Look at the Kennedy family for example. Good or bad, your past helps shape your life.
The GI bill, really? What happens to the money if you get killed while serving your country?
The media doesn't have screaming headlines about how military personnel come home to find lousy benefits.
Going to the VA for medical help is a joke. Coming home and finding your family homeless due to not being able to pay rent. Having to rely on Public assistance.
And using a GF/baby as an excuse for not joining the military is weak. Either you man up and join or you don't.
There are people in the military serving with circumstances that are the same as yours or worse.
Sandra
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Jag
Aren't you Canadian?
This has strayed from the topic. I hope we can all agree reperations will, and should, never happen. Also, slavery happened and theres nothing we can do about it now. Very few americans had ancestors who had anything to do with perpetrating slavery, in any event.
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You go Jag!
show me one race where their past isn't having a direct effect on their present life.
Look at the Kennedy family for example. Good or bad, your past helps shape your life.
The GI bill, really? What happens to the money if you get killed while serving your country?
The media doesn't have screaming headlines about how military personnel come home to find lousy benefits.
Going to the VA for medical help is a joke. Coming home and finding your family homeless due to not being able to pay rent. Having to rely on Public assistance.
And using a GF/baby as an excuse for not joining the military is weak. Either you man up and join or you don't.
There are people in the military serving with circumstances that are the same as yours or worse.
Sandra
Do you know about my relationship, no. Do I want my gf to leave me? No so STFU. GI Bill and signing bonuses are a great incentive. If you die, you died willing. There is no draft. It's sad that the US gov't pays for these assholes to be trained, live, etc and they still bitch about it being a race issue. Their asses would be out on the street if it werent for the military. Or here's a thought, don't fuck young, drop out of school and have to make these decisions. Personal decisions carry PERSONAL responsibility. Just because you great great grandfather was a slave doesn't mean shit. Black people have a goddam chip on their shoulder for no reason. If their service is slow it's because they are black, bullshit.
This is one of the stupidest comments I've ever heard on these boards. What the f do YOU know about what current blacks today are feeling. What do YOU know about what it's like to be Black. Go read "Black Like Me". until then stfu. ::) {please and thankyou}
Haha. Has one black person today been a slave? NO. Direct effect. They were not slaves. They are not even second generation. It's bullshit how this fucking group of people think the world is owed to them. Give me a fucking break. Get over it. I'm half Hispanic and you don't see me bitching and moaning and saying my childhood in CA was somehow hampered by Mexico losing CA. Bullshit.
The past is the past, you can't change so why sit around and dwell on it, move forward, be positive and move on to bigger and better things.................. .... or you can act like an immature ni66er and make excuses as to why your not succeeding, bring up things that happened well before your lifetime while forgeting that the place you came from is now filled with civil war, an aids epidemic and a hunger crisis.
Get over it, it has happened to every race of people on this earth at some point in time and life goes on so man up and don't take it like a bitch.
Thank you. Everybody has been fucked over and only this group continues to whine.
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Dude, I'm thankful for the contributions of the civil rights movements and I know what slaves were subject to was quite brutal. However, how does giving current african americans money for the past accomplish anything at all? Wouldn't that money be better spent improving the school systems in urban areas? I know slavery had a big role in building up America, but the main reason America is where it's at is because of its free market system.
I understand your frustration and the frustration of other African Americans, so don't think we're ignorant on that issue. You can say what you will on slavery, the Jim Crow south, but still it doesn't mean I have to give you a dime for the past. I was not responsible for slavery, nor did I reap the benefits, so you have no right to hold me accountable, or any other American for that matter.
I find it funny that a_joker, a guy who claims he's a classical liberal, thinks black Americans should be payed for the past. I think the guy's a closet socialist at heart, and it's even funnier when he openly supports imperialism because in his delusional mind he think it brings equity to the poor. ::)
OK dude You might want to read the whole thread before commenting. I said that as of now reparations would do more harm than good. Im not for giving a bunch of people money, especially people that dont appreciate what happend in the past and what their forefathers fought and died for. My only reason for going in to that history/economic post was in response to a post that said "blacks should be happy they were born here instead of africa" . And i was making the point that blacks were a huuuuuuge part of making america what it is today and that Africa is in the state it is in today as a result of the followings of the Berlin Conference.
So to recap...i dont think blacks should get money because 1)Its impossible and time comsuming to track down all the decendants of slaves. 2) whats the point...to say sorry. and 3) I think it would further preach seperatism...like "ok this side gets money and the rest of you go fuck yourselves. To build a country it takes a united effort and assesment and action. Throwing money at a problem never solved anything...we threw money at the middle east,Central america and look at the mess...I dont know the answers but i know what not to do. And giving a bunch of ungrateful niggas (not black people, there is a difference) money is what not to do. If they appreciated their history we wouldnt be in this situation because revrence alone wouldnt allow such behavior.
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Haha. Has one black person today been a slave? NO. Direct effect. They were not slaves. They are not even second generation. It's bullshit how this fucking group of people think the world is owed to them. Give me a fucking break. Get over it. I'm half Hispanic and you don't see me bitching and moaning and saying my childhood in CA was somehow hampered by Mexico losing CA. Bullshit.
Thank you. Everybody has been fucked over and only this group continues to whine.
You should talk to a few black folks who lived in the 50s and 60s. I have. They're not that old. Ask them about their experiences with race. It was in their lifetime that they were denied jobs, education, and basic civil liberties because of the color of their skin. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss our very recent history. Keep in mind that when slavery ended in the 1860s that we essentially had an entire race of illiterate people. Millions of people. And slavery continued in many forms after the 13th Amendment (outlawing slavery) through things like the "black codes," various voting laws that excluded blacks, and Jim Crow which last through the 1960s. I am not advocating or even addressing reparations.
A lot of the problems in the inner cities (which we created) are a direct result of what our country did to black folks and their families from our country's inception through the 1960s (and later with things like racially restrictive covenants). I am a firm believer in personal responsibility and do not believe anyone today can point to history as an excuse for bad behavior, but I do believe we have to keep things in context.
I'd also recommend watching the "Eyes on the Prize" documentary on the history of the civil rights movement. It's an eye opener.
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You should talk to a few black folks who lived in the 50s and 60s. I have. They're not that old. Ask them about their experiences with race. It was in their lifetime that they were denied jobs, education, and basic civil liberties because of the color of their skin. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss our very recent history. Keep in mind that when slavery ended in the 1860s that we essentially had an entire race of illiterate people. Millions of people. And slavery continued in many forms after the 13th Amendment (outlawing slavery) through things like the "black codes," various voting laws that excluded blacks, and Jim Crow which last through the 1960s. I am not advocating or even addressing reparations.
A lot of the problems in the inner cities (which we created) are a direct result of what our country did to black folks and their families from our country's inception through the 1960s (and later with things like racially restrictive covenants). I am a firm believer in personal responsibility and do not believe anyone today can point to history as an excuse for bad behavior, but I do believe we have to keep things in context.
I'd also recommend watching the "Eyes on the Prize" documentary on the history of the civil rights movement. It's an eye opener.
You can't compare the 60's to slavery. It just doesn't match up. Other groups, such as the Chinese early in American history had it worse than the blacks during the 60's.
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You can't compare the 60's to slavery. It just doesn't match up. Other groups, such as the Chinese early in American history had it worse than the blacks during the 60's.
Sure you can. We denied an entire race of people equal education, housing, jobs, property ownership, voting rights. You name it. All of those things were extensions of slavery. There is really an unbroken chain of conduct from the 19th century through the 1960s.
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reading all the posts on this issue keeps reminding me of a line from a Tom Petty song:
"......everybody's had to fight to be free."
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Do you know about my relationship, no. Do I want my gf to leave me? No so STFU. GI Bill and signing bonuses are a great incentive. If you die, you died willing. There is no draft. It's sad that the US gov't pays for these assholes to be trained, live, etc and they still bitch about it being a race issue. Their asses would be out on the street if it werent for the military. Or here's a thought, don't f**k young, drop out of school and have to make these decisions. Personal decisions carry PERSONAL responsibility. Just because you great great grandfather was a slave doesn't mean shit. Black people have a goddam chip on their shoulder for no reason. If their service is slow it's because they are black, bullshit.
Haha. Has one black person today been a slave? NO. Direct effect. They were not slaves. They are not even second generation. It's bullshit how this fucking group of people think the world is owed to them. Give me a fucking break. Get over it. I'm half Hispanic and you don't see me bitching and moaning and saying my childhood in CA was somehow hampered by Mexico losing CA. Bullshit.
Thank you. Everybody has been fucked over and only this group continues to whine.
I don't know about you and your relationship, I don't care about you and your relationship.
Using your relationship as a reason not to join the military is weak. Grow a pair.
Sandra
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I don't know about you and your relationship, I don't care about you and your relationship.
Using your relationship as a reason not to join the military is weak. Grow a pair.
Sandra
I disagree Sandra. I'm a vet and almost signed up again a couple years. I was going to volunteer for duty in Iraq. The only reason I didn't is my "relationships" with my wife and kids, who were adamantly opposed.
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BB, there is a difference.
You have served already. That was your choice. Now when you wanted to reenlist, your family was against it. I can understand that.
I wouldn't join the military because I am against the war.
There are people in the service now losing wives and gfs because of the long seperation.
It is called sacrafice. Some do it for God and Country, some don't, which is fine.
Using a GF, to not join the military is weak, IMO. Politicians who send the military into harms' way and haven't served in the military or sacrafice or asked the country to sacrafice are also weak.
Sandra
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BB, there is a difference.
You have served already. That was your choice. Now when you wanted to reenlist, your family was against it. I can understand that.
I wouldn't join the military because I am against the war.
There are people in the service now losing wives and gfs because of the long seperation.
It is called sacrafice. Some do it for God and Country, some don't, which is fine.
Using a GF, to not join the military is weak, IMO. Politicians who send the military into harms' way and haven't served in the military or sacrafice or asked the country to sacrafice are also weak.
Sandra
Yea, you're right. I know plenty of guys who get a gf because they are going off to war and then worry to death about what their girl is doing. That ain't shit you need to do in a war zone. How is my reason weak? If she dumped me tomorrow I'd enlist the next day. Life is about choices and what is important to you and she is more important to me right now. I don't want to give up the woman I want to marry when she isn't ready for me to go off to war. Sorry. Try again.
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Sure you can. We denied an entire race of people equal education, housing, jobs, property ownership, voting rights. You name it. All of those things were extensions of slavery. There is really an unbroken chain of conduct from the 19th century through the 1960s.
We denied those altogether in terms of slavery and unequally until Brown v- Board (I think that was the case) and now they have it easier at getting into college.
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Black people 'should get over' slavery? Comment stuns lawmakers in Virginia
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
01/17/2007
RICHMOND, Va. — A state legislator said black people "should get over" slavery and questioned whether Jews should apologize "for killing Christ," drawing denunciations Tuesday from stunned colleagues.
Delegate Frank D. Hargrove, who is white and Christian, made his remarks in opposition to a measure that would apologize on the state's behalf to the descendants of slaves.
In an interview published Tuesday in The Daily Progress of Charlottesville, Hargrove, 79, said slavery ended nearly 140 years ago with the Civil War and added that "our black citizens should get over it."
The newspaper also quoted him as saying, "are we going to force the Jews to apologize for killing Christ?" Advertisement
Black lawmakers swiftly denounced Hargrove's comments.
"When somebody tells me I should just get over slavery, I can only express my emotion by projecting that I am appalled, absolutely appalled," said Delegate Dwight C. Jones, head of the Legislative Black Caucus.
Delegate David L. Englin also criticized Hargrove's remarks, recalling that his grandparents were driven from their homes in Poland "by people who believed that as Jews, we killed Christ."
When Hargrove rose to speak, he told Englin he didn't care about Englin's religion. "I think your skin was a little too thin," Hargrove said as lawmakers gasped and groaned.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/nation/story/1D08FAF095356F648625726600148CDD?OpenDocument
Yeah, it's about time they'd get over it.
Next should be the indians, crying about the genocide they faced. Stupid!
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Yea, you're right. I know plenty of guys who get a gf because they are going off to war and then worry to death about what their girl is doing. I don't want to give up the woman I want to marry when she isn't ready for me to go off to war. Sorry. Try again.
There is saying that the new breed of Marine is saying. Trust a Marine with your life, not your wife. Read the current Details magazine.
since i work in the judicial field I can tell some stoies of enlisted men now whose wives and "innocent gf's" are cheating on their husbands, and boyfreinds, with the best friends, employers,other dudes. Having all types of mess.
And many of todays guys care not that a woman is wearing a ring, no respect for that, especially if the man who is pursuing is enlisted himself.
You can't compare the 60's to slavery. It just doesn't match up. Other groups, such as the Chinese early in American history had it worse than the blacks during the 60's.
Who told you this??? No they did not. And one the Chinese chose to come here, I'm not saying that they were not bad conditions, but they didn't have to worry about being hung from a tree, denied services, beating, dogs and hoses being used. All during the 20th century.
If it were not for the black people during the Civil Rights movement, all minorities would not have what they have today. The NAACP is a name that exist because, back then blacks were known as "coloreds', so that out-dated name has stuck. To me the NAACP needs to concentrate on fixing problems within the community, instead of focusing on random incidents of racism
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There is saying that the new breed of Marine is saying. Trust a Marine with your life, not your wife. Read the current Details magazine.
since i work in the judicial field I can tell some stoies of enlisted men now whose wives and "innocent gf's" are cheating on their husbands, and boyfreinds, with the best friends, employers,other dudes. Having all types of mess.
And many of todays guys care not that a woman is wearing a ring, no respect for that, especially if the man who is pursuing is enlisted himself.
Who told you this??? No they did not. And one the Chinese chose to come here, I'm not saying that they were not bad conditions, but they didn't have to worry about being hung from a tree, denied services, beating, dogs and hoses being used. All during the 20th century.
If it were not for the black people during the Civil Rights movement, all minorities would not have what they have today. The NAACP is a name that exist because, back then blacks were known as "coloreds', so that out-dated name has stuck. To me the NAACP needs to concentrate on fixing problems within the community, instead of focusing on random incidents of racism
I agree with you on the NAACP. As far as the Chinese, ever hear of the Chinese exclusion Act? Things like that are worse than the 60s but not worse than slavery.
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We denied those altogether in terms of slavery and unequally until Brown v- Board (I think that was the case) and now they have it easier at getting into college.
Brown v. Board ended segregated schools (on paper) in 1954. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 ended segregation (again on paper) in 1964. Pretty much all of the overt forms of discrimination that existed in the 1950s and 60s are gone (i.e., "legal" segregation, etc.). I'm just saying that this is a very recent part of our history.
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Brown v. Board ended segregated schools (on paper) in 1954. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 ended segregation (again on paper) in 1964. Pretty much all of the overt forms of discrimination that existed in the 1950s and 60s are gone (i.e., "legal" segregation, etc.). I'm just saying that this is a very recent part of our history.
I agree with you. I like black people. It pains me to see hard working successful black people have their reputations tarnished by other blacks who portray the (nig ga) attitude, act like fools and pull the race card all the time. Every time I hear the word "nig ga" used by a black man it pisses me off. I'd like to see more successful black people that aren't rappers or athletes but actual intelligent hard working successful people, and I'd like to see it without other blacks saying that these people are sell outs or Uncle Tom's.
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I agree with you. I like black people. It pains me to see hard working successful black people have their reputations tarnished by other blacks who portray the (nig ga) attitude, act like fools and pull the race card all the time. Every time I hear the word "nig ga" used by a black man it pisses me off. I'd like to see more successful black people that aren't rappers or athletes but actual intelligent hard working successful people, and I'd like to see it without other blacks saying that these people are sell outs or Uncle Tom's.
We agree. :)
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I agree with you. I like black people. It pains me to see hard working successful black people have their reputations tarnished by other blacks who portray the (nig ga) attitude, act like fools and pull the race card all the time. Every time I hear the word "nig ga" used by a black man it pisses me off. I'd like to see more successful black people that aren't rappers or athletes but actual intelligent hard working successful people, and I'd like to see it without other blacks saying that these people are sell outs or Uncle Tom's.
Thank you very much.
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I disagree Sandra. I'm a vet and almost signed up again a couple years. I was going to volunteer for duty in Iraq. The only reason I didn't is my "relationships" with my wife and kids, who were adamantly opposed.
Admirable. Did you feel the risk to your own life was worth helping to save iraqi lives? (the WMD and sadaam is gone now, so the only goal is now keeping iraqi lives).
Not flaming - would you really risk bullets fired at you for them?
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Admirable. Did you feel the risk to your own life was worth helping to save iraqi lives? (the WMD and sadaam is gone now, so the only goal is now keeping iraqi lives).
Not flaming - would you really risk bullets fired at you for them?
My country needed me and was I willing to serve and die for my country. Still am.
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My country needed me and was I willing to serve and die for my country. Still am.
haha, what for?
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haha, what for?
DUDE his country...
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DUDE his country...
oh, sure... ::)
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DUDE his country...
You shouldn't have to explain it. Shame.
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You shouldn't have to explain it. Shame.
For me to be able do what the f i want....i couldnt think of it another way.
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For me to be able do what the f i want....i couldnt think of it another way.
so you would die to be able to do what the fuck you want?
sounds stupid. When you're dead, you won't do shit.
Same is dying for your country. You die, then what? Terrorist attacks stop? Muslims die out?
No. You bring pain and sorrow over your family and the ones that love you. That's all.
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No poor dumb bastard ever won a war dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.
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No poor dumb bastard ever won a war dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.
yup.
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gotta love inserting patton quotes into the thread
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gotta love inserting patton quotes into the thread
Fuck ya.
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Dude, you clearly know nothing about Asians. No disrepect to Asians intended. Some of my best friends and business partners are Asians, but you clearly know nothing about their culture, or their attitudes, or their crime stats, because so rarely do they get reported. And as for crime committed by Asians, don't even think of messing with a member of a triad. {lol} don't even LOOK the wrong way at someone who knew someone who heard of someone in a triad. :o
And you do? What a crock of shit about their crime rates not getting reported. ::) I don't make too many assumptions based on reports and stats, rather I like to judge based on my observations. Believe me when I tell you that I've seen black americans commit crimes, act rude and bitch at a much higher rate than almost everyone put together. And you know what? Stats correspond to my observations.
You point to asian culture, asian attitude, precise reasons why asians are sucessful. Maybe black americans should work on their culture and attitude, instead of asking for free hand outs of money. I mean asking for money because of slavery is perhaps the most pathetic thing ever.
Jag, I respect you, you're a very intelligent woman, but you cannot be serious about being payed for something that happened a long time ago.
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A state legislator said black people "should get over" slavery
I absolutely agree with him.
It ended 150 years ago for christ's sake... get over it already!
That's really the only way we're going to be able to move forward as one society.
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And you do? What a crock of shit about their crime rates not getting reported. ::) I don't make too many assumptions based on reports and stats, rather I like to judge based on my observations. Believe me when I tell you that I've seen black americans commit crimes, act rude and bitch at a much higher rate than almost everyone put together. And you know what? Stats correspond to my observations.
You point to asian culture, asian attitude, precise reasons why asians are sucessful. Maybe black americans should work on their culture and attitude, instead of asking for free hand outs of money. I mean asking for money because of slavery is perhaps the most pathetic thing ever.
Jag, I respect you, you're a very intelligent woman, but you cannot be serious about being payed for something that happened a long time ago.
Now many Asians, especailly young men, don't like the nerdy stereotype, now "act out", and with the help of "F&F" and the "JDM" (Japanese Domes. Market) culture, it is a awy of givin' da finga to da man. Just look at all the Import magazines at the store. Notice the dudes and skippy costumed Asian women, truly trying to define a culture very unlike the "good Asian" stereotype,
Here in MD, the rate for Asian DUI's is high. And many crimes against each other in the communites (Korean) are not reported ( due to language and not trusting to police)
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The GI bill has helped millions. I'm not paying 1 red cent for reparations but if they get them I'm suing the British government, because I'm half Irish and the damm Brits tried to murder "my" people in 1849. I'm also half Italian, I'll get back to u on who I'm planning to sue on that side.
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And you do? What a crock of shit about their crime rates not getting reported. ::) I don't make too many assumptions based on reports and stats, rather I like to judge based on my observations. Believe me when I tell you that I've seen black americans commit crimes, act rude and bitch at a much higher rate than almost everyone put together. And you know what? Stats correspond to my observations.
You point to asian culture, asian attitude, precise reasons why asians are sucessful. Maybe black americans should work on their culture and attitude, instead of asking for free hand outs of money. I mean asking for money because of slavery is perhaps the most pathetic thing ever.
Jag, I respect you, you're a very intelligent woman, but you cannot be serious about being payed for something that happened a long time ago.
CJ, First of all, I live among and work with Asians daily. My ex-boyfriend is a cop who works right in the heart of 22 division. For those that do not know, that is downtown Toronto's Chinatown district. I am well familiar with Asian crime.
2ndly, ...tell me where in this thread or any other I have made a claim or statement that I felt reparations were in order. in the past when it has been brought up, I have suggested that it is impossible. I know of one billionaire jewish family that made their fortune in the transatlantic slave trade. I won't mention their name because I know they are intensely private, but every year they donate billions of dollars to the UNCF in an attempt to atone for the sins of their fathers, and are doing everything they can to wipe the guilt out of their hearts and bloodstains off their fingers. They are well aware their cushy situation in life came about at the detriment to so many others. I have never made a case for reparations. I do think an apology is not out of order, but logistically, it is an unpayable debt. The best way to address it in my opinion is through proper education, and living up to the promise of the constitution, something that has never occurred.
That said, I think that a lawmaker saying "Black people should just get over slavery" indicates the guy has not got a clue. Just like Beachbum said, ...there has been an unbroken chain of slavery in America, and the legacy has been left with both black and white. Just because the physical shackles have been removed, doesn't mean the mental ones are not in place, ...and have not infact been re-inforced.
Black people are victimized by racism every day, and this racism they experience is a direct result and legacy of slavery. You cannot 'get over slavery' when it's effects are hitting you in the face everyday. There are those who 'WILL' rise above any challenge... by hook or by crook, but not everybody. Many will literally die trying. You cannot expect a people as a whole to accomplish this until the legacy it has left has been removed. Then you'll see some real progress. You can't just point to individuals who have 'made it' and say "why can't others make it? Get over it!" That's ridiculous. Especially when these people who have 'made it' are experiencing the same crap. Telling the mayor of NYC to "Just get over slavery" doesn't help him to catch a cab. He's fortunate however that he can afford private car services and limos wherever he needs to go, ...but what about the majority who cannot afford limo services to take them where they want to go. Many people work hard and own their own businesses. Businesses they were able to start because of a loan or line of credit. There are however those who cannot do this, cannot get those loans... not because they have bad credit, but because they live in a black neighbourhood, places they were forced to live in, because of discrimination against them because of their skin color. So now they live in a part of town that has been red-lined on the map. Areas within which bankers do not give loans. It's real easy for people who do not experience the same challenges to yell 'Just Get Over It!', but until you walk a mile in another wo/man's shoes, you have no clue. And as a lawmaker charged with representing his constituents, I think he oughta be somewhat, if not well versed in the complexities, and have a firm understanding of the root of the challenges they face, in order to come up with a viable and logistically implementable solution.
I've always been a believer in rising up to meet a challenge head on. I believe what doesn't kill you can make you stronger, and that we as individuals have the power to turn obstacles facing us into opportunities. But it's assinine to tell people to "just get over it". It's clear that fool has no clue about the challenges facing people. Reminds me of 11 yrs ago when Ontario's conservative finance minister Tsabouchi told welfare recipients to buy tuna in bulk when it goes on sale. This after cutting back welfare rates by 20%. Someone with a total budget of $30 left to pay their food bill, and phone bill, and toiletries isn't gonna have a whole lotta room to be buying in bulk. Clued out.
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CJ, First of all, I live among and work with Asians daily. My ex-boyfriend is a cop who works right in the heart of 22 division. For those that do not know, that is downtown Toronto's Chinatown district. I am well familiar with Asian crime.
2ndly, ...tell me where in this thread or any other I have made a claim or statement that I felt reparations were in order. in the past when it has been brought up, I have suggested that it is impossible. I know of one billionaire jewish family that made their fortune in the transatlantic slave trade. I won't mention their name because I know they are intensely private, but every year they donate billions of dollars to the UNCF in an attempt to atone for the sins of their fathers, and are doing everything they can to wipe the guilt out of their hearts and bloodstains off their fingers. They are well aware their cushy situation in life came about at the detriment to so many others. I have never made a case for reparations. I do think an apology is not out of order, but logistically, it is an unpayable debt. The best way to address it in my opinion is through proper education, and living up to the promise of the constitution, something that has never occurred.
That said, I think that a lawmaker saying "Black people should just get over slavery" indicates the guy has not got a clue. Just like Beachbum said, ...there has been an unbroken chain of slavery in America, and the legacy has been left with both black and white. Just because the physical shackles have been removed, doesn't mean the mental ones are not in place, ...and have not infact been re-inforced.
Black people are victimized by racism every day, and this racism they experience is a direct result and legacy of slavery. You cannot 'get over slavery' when it's effects are hitting you in the face everyday. There are those who 'WILL' rise above any challenge... by hook or by crook, but not everybody. Many will literally die trying. You cannot expect a people as a whole to accomplish this until the legacy it has left has been removed. Then you'll see some real progress. You can't just point to individuals who have 'made it' and say "why can't others make it? Get over it!" That's ridiculous. Especially when these people who have 'made it' are experiencing the same crap. Telling the mayor of NYC to "Just get over slavery" doesn't help him to catch a cab. He's fortunate however that he can afford private car services and limos wherever he needs to go, ...but what about the majority who cannot afford limo services to take them where they want to go. Many people work hard and own their own businesses. Businesses they were able to start because of a loan or line of credit. There are however those who cannot do this, cannot get those loans... not because they have bad credit, but because they live in a black neighbourhood, places they were forced to live in, because of discrimination against them because of their skin color. So now they live in a part of town that has been red-lined on the map. Areas within which bankers do not give loans. It's real easy for people who do not experience the same challenges to yell 'Just Get Over It!', but until you walk a mile in another wo/man's shoes, you have no clue. And as a lawmaker charged with representing his constituents, I think he oughta be somewhat, if not well versed in the complexities, and have a firm understanding of the root of the challenges they face, in order to come up with a viable and logistically implementable solution.
I've always been a believer in rising up to meet a challenge head on. I believe what doesn't kill you can make you stronger, and that we as individuals have the power to turn obstacles facing us into opportunities. But it's assinine to tell people to "just get over it". It's clear that fool has no clue about the challenges facing people. Reminds me of 11 yrs ago when Ontario's conservative finance minister Tsabouchi told welfare recipients to buy tuna in bulk when it goes on sale. This after cutting back welfare rates by 20%. Someone with a total budget of $30 left to pay their food bill, and phone bill, and toiletries isn't gonna have a whole lotta room to be buying in bulk. Clued out.
Good points Jag. I think anyone who believes blacks should just "get over" this whole race issue should simply read the comments about blacks on this board. The doublespeak is amazing. Racism is alive and well and many of the bigots frequent this board.
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Sorry, Jag. I misunderstood you. I agree that black people, or any other people that have been discriminated against cannot simply get over it and forget about it. I was arguing against reparations, which I think are not nescessary because it wont solve anything. The best reparation we should give is increased spending on education in urban areas and overall urban development, and also end the worthless and pointless war on drugs in the United States.
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Sorry, Jag. I misunderstood you. I agree that black people, or any other people that have been discriminated against cannot simply get over it and forget about it. I was arguing against reparations, which I think are not nescessary because it solve anything. The best reparation we should give is increased spending on education in urban areas and overall urban development, and also end the worthless and pointless war on drugs in the United States.
is increased spending on education in urban areas going to make black kids go to school? I dont think so. The only thing that is going to change this is that their culture is going to have to change. They are going to have to learn how to interact with the rest of society without trying to get something for free. They are going to have to get their minds off of trying to be "cool" or whatever they are doing and go to school. No ammount of money in the education system is going to get them to want to change the stereotype of the young black people in america only they can do that.
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is increased spending on education in urban areas going to make black kids go to school? I dont think so. The only thing that is going to change this is that their culture is going to have to change. They are going to have to learn how to interact with the rest of society without trying to get something for free. They are going to have to get their minds off of trying to be "cool" or whatever they are doing and go to school. No ammount of money in the education system is going to get them to want to change the stereotype of the young black people in america only they can do that.
Quite true, but what happens in our culture is that one gets two polizing images. For instance, the show "Family Matters" it showed the smart guy Urkel, and the cool guy Eddie who was dumb, there was no in between. So that screams to african am males, if your smart your not cool, an if your stupid you're cool. I even was pressured in school from doing well in class, or raising my hand.
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Quite true, but what happens in our culture is that one gets two polizing images. For instance, the show "Family Matters" it showed the smart guy Urkel, and the cool guy Eddie who was dumb, there was no in between. So that screams to african am males, if your smart your not cool, an if your stupid you're cool. I even was pressured in school from doing well in class, or raising my hand.
that is true. how do we as a society change that?
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that is true. how do we as a society change that?
Some black americans have tried but they've been labled sellouts in turn, Bill Cosby being an example. Other influential black americans such as Oprah haven't even tried to speak out on the issues.
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Quite true, but what happens in our culture is that one gets two polizing images. For instance, the show "Family Matters" it showed the smart guy Urkel, and the cool guy Eddie who was dumb, there was no in between. So that screams to african am males, if your smart your not cool, an if your stupid you're cool. I even was pressured in school from doing well in class, or raising my hand.
That's when you turn to them and say, hey be nice because the thousands in taxes I will pay to the government will go to feed you and keep you warm in your cell.
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What black people need to do for their own good is that they should look at themselves and get over their pride of being black because they need to admit what to what looks too urban, so ghetto, and very gang related. The history of their hip hop and rap exposes that problem very easily.
As far as slavery goes, they should have already taken many lessons from that part of their history and wonder why so many males who have criminal blackness in them are stuck in the prison population. Realistically there are unfair reasons why black crime is more magnified under the microscope than crimes that definitely are caused by people in other communities.
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Some black americans have tried but they've been labled sellouts in turn, Bill Cosby being an example. Other influential black americans such as Oprah haven't even tried to speak out on the issues.
its like Chris Rock says "books are like kryptonite to niggas"
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that is true. how do we as a society change that?
In new jersey, it was legislated to give the schools construction corp over 8 billion dollars to build schools, books, educate teachers, etc.
That money is gone, not even half of the projects were done. The politicians are so corrupt, it is disgusting.
I forget what character on "The Wire" stated....The most dangerous thing in white society is a black man with a library card.
Sandra
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In new jersey, it was legislated to give the schools construction corp over 8 billion dollars to build schools, books, educate teachers, etc.
That money is gone, not even half of the projects were done. The politicians are so corrupt, it is disgusting.
I forget what character on "The Wire" stated....The most dangerous thing in white society is a black man with a library card.
Sandra
You have Corsine, enough said.
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You have Corsine, enough said.
Actually, it is Corzine. No, I don't love him otherwise I would be sleeping with him.
Previous corrupt govenors of New Jersery.
Mcgreevy( had that whole gay, nepolism thing going on)
Whitman(EPA czar under Bush41, no need to say more)
Kean(it's not my fault)
In my opinon, republican/democrats they all suck.
Sandra
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Actually, it is Corzine. No, I don't love him otherwise I would be sleeping with him.
Previous corrupt govenors of New Jersery.
Mcgreevy( had that whole gay, nepolism thing going on)
Whitman(EPA czar under Bush41, no need to say more)
Kean(it's not my fault)
In my opinon, republican/democrats they all suck.
Sandra
Sorry my bad. Anyway, yes you have shitty legislators. Does NJ have many Repub in gov't these days? Corzine fucked up the budget last summer if I remember correctly. AC shut down for the first time. BUmmer.
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Sorry my bad. Anyway, yes you have shitty legislators. Does NJ have many Repub in gov't these days? Corzine fucked up the budget last summer if I remember correctly. AC shut down for the first time. BUmmer.
I am looking at the BIG picture.
Atlantic city. How can you have a multibillion dollar casinos and homeless people sleeping outside your door?
The judicial/legislature system that we have in place now is not working.
It is all about pay to play from the local government all the way up to the federal government, The whole American voting process has to change.
If you aren't a multimillionaire or have contacts with wealthy backers, you are NOT getting into office, local, state or federal.
Then you have to pay back all of your supporters.
It is up to us, as the VOTERS to get out and VOTE!
That is the only thing that politicians realize is when their asses are on the line.
Politicians don't fuck with seniors because they vote
Politicians don't fuck with gays because the vote
People that earn 100k or more, they vote
The Jewish block?
Tobacco industry...Money to sponser a politicians campaign
Same thing with NRA
same thing with the Insurance industry
Same thing with the technology/cable
etc, etc, etc
But it all begins with us.
The peanut gallery who vote.
This last election made "THEM" realize that we are sick of their shit and we are not gullible sheep.
Listen, learn, vote.
Sandra
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I am looking at the BIG picture.
Atlantic city. How can you have a multibillion dollar casinos and homeless people sleeping outside your door?
The judicial/legislature system that we have in place now is not working.
It is all about pay to play from the local government all the way up to the federal government, The whole American voting process has to change.
If you aren't a multimillionaire or have contacts with wealthy backers, you are NOT getting into office, local, state or federal.
Then you have to pay back all of your supporters.
It is up to us, as the VOTERS to get out and VOTE!
That is the only thing that politicians realize is when their asses are on the line.
Politicians don't f**k with seniors because they vote
Politicians don't f**k with gays because the vote
People that earn 100k or more, they vote
The Jewish block?
Tobacco industry...Money to sponser a politicians campaign
Same thing with NRA
same thing with the Insurance industry
Same thing with the technology/cable
etc, etc, etc
But it all begins with us.
The peanut gallery who vote.
This last election made "THEM" realize that we are sick of their shit and we are not gullible sheep.
Listen, learn, vote.
Sandra
You guys have some high ass taxes to have so many problems. Maybe guys like Schiano shouldn't have gotten a raise. I'm surprised with all the tolls things aren't better
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Everyone in this thread is a racist...
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Everyone in this thread is a racist...
Everyone in this thread is a racist if you believe that being particularly prejudiced means you are a hate monger. I'm not a John Rocker type of talker or a Mark Fuhrman extremist.
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Everyone in this thread is a racist if you believe that being particularly prejudiced means you are a hate monger. I'm not a John Rocker type of talker or a Mark Fuhrman extremist.
I think having an opinion does not make anyone prejudiced or racist. If I think homosexuality is wrong, it doesn't make me a hate monger, homophobe or prejudice. It means I have an opinion on an issue or group just like some have their opinions about me.
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If I think homosexuality is wrong, it doesn't make me a hate monger, homophobe or prejudice.
O Rly? :) Depends on who you talk to (or who is talking to you). I've been called a homophobe for voicing objections to the lifestyle.
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O Rly? :) Depends on who you talk to (or who is talking to you). I've been called a homophobe for voicing objections to the lifestyle.
Yes, really....
O really heir doctor....?
Yes, really....
Lol...I coould give two shits about what people think. I know people and don't agree with their lifestyle but it is their life. I don't like it but it doesn't make me a bigot. If I beat the shit out of gay people, then I would be a bigot.
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If I beat the shit out of gay people, then I would be a bigot.
only if you beat the shit out of them for being gay
if you beat the shit out of them for being assholes, are you still a bigot?
ps: everyone should get over racism, fucking crybabies 8)
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Only if I say, you buttfucking homo, I'll kill you, you DA lovign son of a bitch. Die Bluto! But I digress...BTW, just kiddin Bluto
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;D
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Everyone in this thread is a racist if you believe that being particularly prejudiced means you are a hate monger. I'm not a John Rocker type of talker or a Mark Fuhrman extremist.
I am in this thread too so I am also a racist. I was just making a stupid statement which I had no intentions of passing off as a serious comment, I am all about getting people to shut the fuck up about racsim and telling them to get over it...
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I am in this thread too so I am also a racist. I was just making a stupid statement which I had no intentions of passing off as a serious comment, I am all about getting people to shut the f**k up about racsim and telling them to get over it...
Exactly...people need to get over racism and rasist people. You are always going to have racist people. Just learn to deal with their stupidity. Just like you see stupid people around youll see racist people around. Just deal with it.
I actually like racist people because i know im at least smarter than that percent of the population. And it is so easy to argue against a racist because they never have a valid argument
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Exactly...people need to get over racism and rasist people. You are always going to have racist people. Just learn to deal with their stupidity. Just like you see stupid people around youll see racist people around. Just deal with it.
I actually like racist people because i know im at least smarter than that percent of the population. And it is so easy to argue against a racist because they never have a valid argument
Not true. Calling someone a racial slur doesn't make you smarter, it just means you hold different values and aren't prejudicial. Saying you hate asians doesn't make you dumber than me.
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Not true. Calling someone a racial slur doesn't make you smarter, it just means you hold different values and aren't prejudicial. Saying you hate asians doesn't make you dumber than me.
No thats exactly what it means. Like if you say..."______'s are dumb" that premise is already debunked and it shows a lack of rational thinking because to say ________'s are dumb but there are many extremely ________'s on this planet means your argument or comment is wrong. Your intelligence shows in comments also. Now to hold prejudices against a certian group means you are ignorant. Because it means to "pre-judge" without information. To make an uninformed judgement on someone is ignorant. Ignorance means to not know.
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Ignorance does mean "not to know", not that one prejudges. I could know everything about blacks and still hate them, it still doesn't make me ignorant or less intelligent.
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Most true Racist lack all if any ability to conceive rational thoughts, Hitler was in some ways a genius but his lack of rational thinking (that the Germans were superior and unbeatable) was a big part of his downfall. You can def be very intelligent yet lack the ability to work with or work against someone because your close mindedness keeps you from seeing the whole picture by generalizing something to assume it's something it clearly is not (i think that makes sense ;D). Basically a true racist lacks the ability to see whats right in front of them based on pre-determined generalizations which tend to be false and missleading.
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Again, I don't think that anyone is a rational being. Some people just take it extremes, like Hitler. I think you can be intelligent, racist and not kill 6 million Jews. ;D
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Ignorance does mean "not to know", not that one prejudges. I could know everything about blacks and still hate them, it still doesn't make me ignorant or less intelligent.
Thats exactly what it does. Beecause to say "i know everything about black's" thats assuming all blacks are the same. Like me saying i know everything about whites, that basically puts a rational man and jeffery domer in the same boat. Or saying every white person thinks like hitler. Dude its irrational and to think you can know everything there is to know about a group made up of different people And if so. Say you know everything there is to know about blacks and everything there is to know about whites. And what you know about blacks is bad and what you know about whites is good. there is a kid that is hald black and half white...does that make him half good and half bad? See what im saying. To be a racist is to be ignorant.
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Intelligence and ignorance are difference. Pick one and stick with it. I think we might be thinking some similar thoughts but you really can be a smart person and be racist. They can co-exist. You can say you are stupid and your beliefs show little thought or are dismissive but I would hardly say ignorant.
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Intelligence and ignorance are difference. Pick one and stick with it. I think we might be thinking some similar thoughts but you really can be a smart person and be racist. They can co-exist. You can say you are stupid and your beliefs show little thought or are dismissive but I would hardly say ignorant.
Sure a person can be a "smart" racist. But the racist is just dumb in some areas.
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Sure a person can be a "smart" racist. But the racist is just dumb in some areas.
True. I think it exists in logical thinking, which can be confused/exchanged with rational. I think it is a stupid stance to take but I don't know too many racists.
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True. I think it exists in logical thinking, which can be confused/exchanged with rational. I think it is a stupid stance to take but I don't know too many racists.
I know plenty. The overwhelming majority of them were either raised that way or make huge assumptions about entire classes of people.
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I know plenty. The overwhelming majority of them were either raised that way or make huge assumptions about entire classes of people.
I wrote it wrong. I meant to say that racism is a stupid stance to take. It is especially dumb considering the diversity of America today. It would be like hating Mexicans in CA or asians in Hawaii. It just doesn't make sense because you would walk around hating the majority. Illogical is all. Hope that clarifies.
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I wrote it wrong. I meant to say that racism is a stupid stance to take. It is especially dumb considering the diversity of America today. It would be like hating Mexicans in CA or asians in Hawaii. It just doesn't make sense because you would walk around hating the majority. Illogical is all. Hope that clarifies.
I think it's illogical regardless of the percentage of the population you're dealing with. Don King (a black racist) is as ignorant as David Duke (a white racist). A person cannot logically make an assumption about ALL whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. Plus, with the dilution of the races in this country, it really makes no sense. Obama, for example, is half white. I know tons of mixed race people. Huge population of mixed race people in Hawaii.
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I think it's illogical regardless of the percentage of the population you're dealing with. Don King (a black racist) is as ignorant as David Duke (a white racist). A person cannot logically make an assumption about ALL whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. Plus, with the dilution of the races in this country, it really makes no sense. Obama, for example, is half white. I know tons of mixed race people. Huge population of mixed race people in Hawaii.
Like I said. It is based on logical thinking. I know who I do hate though, internet tough guys aka Shadow and DA.
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Like I said. It is based on logical thinking. I know who I do hate though, internet tough guys aka Shadow and DA.
Point well taken.
I spoke with DA at a Christmas party. He was all gung ho for the fight with Adonis.
The fight didn't happen, not because of DA.
So, I give him the benefit of the doubt as to taking his talk into Real life.
Sandra
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Point well taken.
I spoke with DA at a Christmas party. He was all gung ho for the fight with Adonis.
The fight didn't happen, not because of DA.
So, I give him the benefit of the doubt as to taking his talk into Real life.
Sandra
Touche.