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Title: White House relents on warrantless spying
Post by: OzmO on January 17, 2007, 04:11:45 PM
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/3f2d4ad6-a662-11db-937f-0000779e2340.html (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/3f2d4ad6-a662-11db-937f-0000779e2340.html)


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Title: Re: White House relents on warrantless spying
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 17, 2007, 04:17:06 PM
Quite frankly, I don't believe a word of it from the master of doublespeek.  While we're all looking at this reversal, they just went another route to get what they want, I guarantee it...
Title: Re: White House relents on warrantless spying
Post by: Dos Equis on January 17, 2007, 04:25:37 PM
Good compromise.  Good decision. 
Title: Re: White House relents on warrantless spying
Post by: OzmO on January 17, 2007, 04:28:47 PM
After just skimming it (the article) it seems like a good compromise to me.  But i'm interested in everyone's view on the matter and why they feel the way they do.
Title: Re: White House relents on warrantless spying
Post by: sandycoosworth on January 17, 2007, 04:33:20 PM
come on boys, this is simply lipservice

how spying works is canada spys on the US, UK spies on Canada, Aus spies on UK... so on and so forth ... its a chain of information and it is all perfectly legal :)
Title: Re: White House relents on warrantless spying
Post by: 240 is Back on January 17, 2007, 04:39:14 PM
I'm interested in how many people here, who were blindly defending Bush's use of warrantless wiretaps and non-inform searches a few months back, are suddenly saying "Great compromise, smart move, boss!"
Title: Re: White House relents on warrantless spying
Post by: Dos Equis on January 17, 2007, 04:39:55 PM
After just skimming it (the article) it seems like a good compromise to me.  But i'm interested in everyone's view on the matter and why they feel the way they do.

I understand the rationale behind the warrantless spying on suspected terrorists, but I don't like the idea of no judicial oversight.  It shouldn't be that difficult for the gov. to articulate to a judge why they need to spy on an individual or group, so long as they don't compromise national security.
Title: Re: White House relents on warrantless spying
Post by: OzmO on January 17, 2007, 04:43:43 PM
I'm interested in how many people here, who were blindly defending Bush's use of warrantless wiretaps and non-inform searches a few months back, are suddenly saying "Great compromise, smart move, boss!"


BB never did support wire tapping with out judicial approval.   If i remember it right it was one of the first discussions i had with him.  That's one of the reasons i've never viewed BB as an extreme conservative but rather more of a practical conservative
Title: Re: White House relents on warrantless spying
Post by: Dos Equis on January 17, 2007, 04:44:24 PM
BB never did support wire tapping with out judicial approval.   If i remember it right it was one of the first discussions i had with him.  That's one of the reasons i've never viewed BB as an extreme conservative but rather more of a practical conservative

Correct.   :)
Title: Re: White House relents on warrantless spying
Post by: 240 is Back on January 17, 2007, 04:45:24 PM
I understand the rationale behind the warrantless spying on suspected terrorists, but I don't like the idea of no judicial oversight.  It shouldn't be that difficult for the gov. to articulate to a judge why they need to spy on an individual or group, so long as they don't compromise national security.

I agree!

BB never did support wire tapping with out judicial approval.   If i remember it right it was one of the first discussions i had with him.  That's one of the reasons i've never viewed BB as an extreme conservative but rather more of a practical conservative

I was actually thinking about our neocon bastards who could witness a white house staff member clobbering an old lady with a shovel and they'd find a way to defend it.  The delusional ones!
Title: Re: White House relents on warrantless spying
Post by: sandycoosworth on January 17, 2007, 04:51:56 PM
i think you mean the intense ones ;D
Title: Re: White House relents on warrantless spying
Post by: 24KT on January 17, 2007, 05:52:03 PM
...the intensely delusional ones  ;D
Title: Re: White House relents on warrantless spying
Post by: 24KT on January 17, 2007, 05:57:26 PM
Now the next question you must all ask is "When does the current authorization expire?" ???