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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Anal Iceman Lubeth on January 21, 2007, 10:03:49 PM
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ya ever notice that with all the bullshit "Ronnie vs. Dorian" threads here, you never hear a thread that compares Yates with Cutler?
If Jay is supposed to be new champ, the one who unseated Ronnie, the best the bodybuilding world has to offer... why is it no one bothers to try to put him on Dorian's pedestal?
(This is just one asian guy's opinion, sorry ronnie)
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no i think the dorian vs ronnie thread has overstayed its welcome
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fuck those honkey whiteboys
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f**k those honkey whiteboys
hows your broken penis bast?
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Theres all ready are thread on this subject some 40 pages long.
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Yes this is an old comparison, Yates destroyed Jay, making it clear that Ronnie destroys Jay also.
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I dont like. but Jay is better than yates.
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I dont like. but Jay is better than yates.
Wrong, he has a flabby lower back.
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Wrong, he has a flabby lower back.
if its one thing jay prides himself on its his back
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(http://www.athlete.ru/fotos/profi/jay_cutler/022.jpg)
Jay Cutler 2008
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Wrong, he has a flabby lower back.
Yates cant win against Jay on
Legs
Arms
Delts
Pecs.
Overall mass
Jay cant win against Yates on
Back
Overall condition.
5-2
Jay win
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if its one thing jay prides himself on its his back
Wrongly so, Flex try and make his back 'the new Olympia back' but if one views it impartially it is a huge watery blur. It's very wide but where's the christmas tree?!?!??! It's completely invisable.
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Wrongly so, Flex try and make his back 'the new Olympia back' but if one views it impartially it is a huge watery blur. It's very wide but where's the christmas tree?!?!??! It's completely invisable.
yah thats what a lot of the pros today seem to think that bigger is better
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Yates cant win against Jay on
Legs
Arms
Delts
Pecs.
Overall mass
Jay cant win against Yates on
Back
Overall condition.
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Jay win
As Yates vs. Nasser showcased in '97, back+ conditioning counts for a million bodyparts in the eyes of the judges. Otherwise Paul Dillet would have been Mr O. If Ronnie had had the lower back and glutes of yesteryear Jay would not be champ.
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(http://www.athlete.ru/fotos/profi/jay_cutler/022.jpg)
Jay Cutler 2008
this is incredible what man doesn't want to look like that?
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Yates kills Cutler, why even make a comparision unless your talking about the Kenmore appliances at SEARS. Either way it just one white mans opinion...
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Either way it just one white mans opinion...
Yep, what can ya do? :P
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Yep, what can ya do? :P
Get your sister to claim she said it and not you...
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As Yates vs. Nasser showcased in '97, back+ conditioning counts for a million bodyparts in the eyes of the judges. Otherwise Paul Dillet would have been Mr O. If Ronnie had had the lower back and glutes of yesteryear Jay would not be champ.
Agreed unfortunately back has big point unfairly.
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jays arms and legs are better,delts are better but i gotta go with yates too when it comes to overall conditioning and back development.yates back development is just fuckin insane.his back has detail plus size whereas jayas back is size size and more size.so jay at his best vs yates at his best yates wins hands down
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jays arms and legs are better,delts are better but i gotta go with yates too when it comes to overall conditioning and back development.yates back development is just fuckin insane.his back has detail plus size whereas jayas back is size size and more size.so jay at his best vs yates at his best yates wins hands down
Futher proof that Gutler is the worst Mr. O. ever...
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Futher proof that Gutler is the worst Mr. O. ever...
ohh shut up..
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ohh shut up..
Hey you wouldn't have to defend him till the death if he truly was a bad BBer. I mean come on he is a better BBer then anyone on here (cept all most all the pros) but he looks like a garage sale gone bad.
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Hey you wouldn't have to defend him till the death if he truly was a bad BBer. I mean come on he is a better BBer then anyone on here (cept all most all the pros) but he looks like a garage sale gone bad.
he did beat ronnie..what more do you want?.we can go back and forth with stupid discussions like peak ronnie vs peak jay... jay would win or lose? or peak yates vs peak jay whos gonna win jay or yates.the reality is jay is the current mr olympia and ronnie is still whining about the fact that how did a 'white man' beat him,that mutant toad is still whining like a 12yr old girl.so this is 2007 and this year jay is defending his crown.currently jay is the best in the world.i only believe in present not past
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he did beat ronnie..what more do you want?.we can go back and forth with stupid discussions like peak ronnie vs peak jay... jay would win or lose? or peak yates vs peak jay whos gonna win jay or yates.the reality is jay is the current mr olympia and ronnie is still whining about the fact that how did a 'white man' beat him,that mutant toad is still whining like a 12yr old girl.so this is 2007 and this year jay is defending his crown.currently jay is the best in the world.i only believe in present not past
So your saying you got over that 13yr old girl already.... Seriously though Jay is a mockery of the Mr. O., to believe he won the same title as King Arnold, Lee Haney, Doz while other greats like S. Ray, Cormier, Robby Robinson, Labrada never won an O, It's laughable and must be some kind of sick joke played out by the Weiders.
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ya ever notice that with all the bullshit "Ronnie vs. Dorian" threads here, you never hear a thread that compares Yates with Cutler?
If Jay is supposed to be new champ, the one who unseated Ronnie, the best the bodybuilding world has to offer... why is it no one bothers to try to put him on Dorian's pedestal?
(This is just one asian guy's opinion, sorry ronnie)
I posted a thread about the 3 of them! Just search...
I think stupidity is an Indian genetic problem...
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So your saying you got over that 13yr old girl already.... Seriously though Jay is a mockery of the Mr. O., to believe he won the same title as King Arnold, Lee Haney, Doz while other greats like S. Ray, Cormier, Robby Robinson, Labrada never won an O, It's laughable and must be some kind of sick joke played out by the Weiders.
jay was always the no. 2 bodybuilder since 2001 and jay was chasing ronnie throughout after 2001.jay worked hard and he got payed big time.the pictures never lie and i don't give a rats ass about the past.past is past,its better to live in the present..so right now jay is the best and ronnie still looks like horse shit.ask bob chick,shawn ray or any other pro,jay beat ronnie and jay derserved this title.weiders have nothing to do with it
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jay was always the no. 2 bodybuilder since 2001 and jay was chasing ronnie throughout after 2001.jay worked hard and he got payed big time.the pictures never lie and i don't give a rats ass about the past.past is past,its better to live in the present..so right now jay is the best and ronnie still looks like horse shit.ask bob chick,shawn ray or any other pro,jay beat ronnie and jay derserved this title.weiders have nothing to do with it
BBing jugging in general is fucked up, Melvin or Vic should be Mr. O. if BBing still judged people by overall look and not just size.
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BBing jugging in general is fucked up, Melvin or Vic should be Mr. O. if BBing still judged people by overall look and not just size.
the biggest guy always wins.this is a fuckin trend of the mr olympia.just see the past 3 mr olympias.lee haney was huge in his time, yates was the first the bring the mass monster look and this was perfected by ronnie.remember mass wins,aesthetics suck at mr olympia.no matter how good an aesthetic bodybuilder looks,the olympia will and always be in the hands of a mass monster
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BBing jugging in general is fucked up, Melvin or Vic should be Mr. O. if BBing still judged people by overall look and not just size.
same with shawn ray
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the biggest guy always wins.this is a fuckin trend of the mr olympia.just see the past 3 mr olympias.lee haney was huge in his time, yates was the first the bring the mass monster look and this was perfected by ronnie.remember mass wins,aesthetics suck at mr olympia.no matter how good an aesthetic bodybuilder looks,the olympia will and always be in the hands of a mass monster
Go back to the early 90's though and you have 'small' guys right up there with the winner, these days it's like no one in the top 6 can weigh less then 230-240lbs.
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he did beat ronnie..what more do you want?
He didn't beat Ronnie......Age beat Ronnie.
Jay just happened to be there.
I had him 29th
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He didn't beat Ronnie......Age beat Ronnie.
Jay just happened to be there.
I had him 29th
Really I had him not placing allong with Gustavo.
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Go back to the early 90's though and you have 'small' guys right up there with the winner, these days it's like no one in the top 6 can weigh less then 230-240lbs.
correct..you just proved my point
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Really I had him not placing allong with Gustavo.
gustavo looked like utter shyte
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He didn't beat Ronnie......Age beat Ronnie.
Jay just happened to be there.
I had him 29th
jay beat ronnie fair and square..this 'ronnie beat ronnie or age beat ronnie' crap is getting too old and boring.face it the mutant toad lost and jay just happened to be there in tip top shape.this is just an excuse from you ronnie nuthuggers by saying 'ronnie beat ronnie' crap.ronnie was injured,ronnie believed in his own hype,he bad mouthed jay every year when jay came second and now when jay pwned the living daylights out of your peoples champion,you ronnie nuthuggers are just finding excuses to defend your alien coleman.just face face it jay beat ronnie..nuff said
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jay beat ronnie fair and square..this 'ronnie beat ronnie or age beat ronnie' crap is getting too old and boring.face it the mutant toad lost and jay just happened to be there in tip top shape.this is just an excuse from you ronnie nuthuggers by saying 'ronnie beat ronnie' crap.ronnie was injured,ronnie believed in his own hype,he bad mouthed jay every year when jay came second and now when jay pwned the living daylights out of your peoples champion,you ronnie nuthuggers are just finding excuses to defend your alien coleman.just face face it jay beat ronnie..nuff said
The big deal is that even when Jay is in tip top shape he still sucks, sorry to break it to you but when he was conceived they forgot to give him good genetics and a balanced physique.
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dorian does beat jay in conditioning but bady part for body part jay destroys yates!
biceps- jay, although uneven at least he has them and theyre not torn to the size of a child.
triceps- id have to say a tie. they both look good in the shot and its probably both of their best shots.
chest- jay
abs- jay, he's never bloated even at 300+
jegs- jay, obvious
shoulders- jay
back- jays is bigger but yates has the condition and lower back so i go yates
pretty close but even with better conditioning he cant beat jays overall size and even though isnt the most pleasing yates makes him look like dexter. if it were yates 93 vs jay 01 it would be close but i think jay would win. also when jay got bigger ie this year i think he beats yates every time. just my opinion and im sure everyone has their own opinion and wont even take into consideration the truth but oh well thats what opinions are for ;D
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dorian does beat jay in conditioning but bady part for body part jay destroys yates!
biceps- jay, although uneven at least he has them and theyre not torn to the size of a child.
triceps- id have to say a tie. they both look good in the shot and its probably both of their best shots.
chest- jay
abs- jay, he's never bloated even at 300+
jegs- jay, obvious
shoulders- jay
back- jays is bigger but yates has the condition and lower back so i go yates
pretty close but even with better conditioning he cant beat jays overall size and even though isnt the most pleasing yates makes him look like dexter. if it were yates 93 vs jay 01 it would be close but i think jay would win. also when jay got bigger ie this year i think he beats yates every time. just my opinion and im sure everyone has their own opinion and wont even take into consideration the truth but oh well thats what opinions are for ;D
You obivously don't follow BBing.
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The big deal is that even when Jay is in tip top shape he still sucks, sorry to break it to you but when he was conceived they forgot to give him good genetics and a balanced physique.
whatever.every pro bodybuilder said thisJAY BEAT RONNIE FAIR AND SQUARE..i'll say it again every pro bodybuilder said this JAY BEAT RONNIE FAIR AND SQUARE
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Im guessing that there has been a lot of improvements in drugs and nutrition since Dorians reign ended nearly a decade ago.
If Yates era were 10 years later and his first Olympia were 2001, he would win.. no contest.. Ronnie would be dethroned.
Yates dominated in a more competitive era than Jay.. Jay has never stood next to the best at their best.. eg: Levrone, Flex, Ray, Nasser, Dillet. An indication of the 1990s calibre was proven when Vince Taylor placed 11th at last years olympia.. and he wasnt at 100% either.
Jays record is owned by Yates record, Yates lowest placing was 2nd twice in his first of many pro shows.
Yates actually trained back properly rather than heaving weights around, and actually has detail in his back unlike Jay.
Jay has a higher likelyness to be dethroned than Yates ever was.
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Im guessing that there has been a lot of improvements in drugs and nutrition since Dorians reign ended nearly a decade ago.
If Yates era were 10 years later and his first Olympia were 2001, he would win.. no contest.. Ronnie would be dethroned.
Yates dominated in a more competitive era than Jay.. Jay has never stood next to the best at their best.. eg: Levrone, Flex, Ray, Nasser, Dillet. An indication of the 1990s calibre was proven when Vince Taylor placed 11th at last years olympia.. and he wasnt at 100% either.
Jays record is owned by Yates record, Yates lowest placing was 2nd twice in his first of many pro shows.
Yates actually trained back properly rather than heaving weights around, and actually has detail in his back unlike Jay.
Jay has a higher likelyness to be dethroned than Yates ever was.
are you sure that jays back looks like shit..??i thnk so you're full of shit.check this pic out mr ignorant ass
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Yates cant win against Jay on
Legs
Arms
Delts
Pecs.
Overall mass
Jay cant win against Yates on
Back
Overall condition.
5-2
Jay win
god i'm glad your not a fucking judge!!!!
Real detailed insight there
ta ta
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jay is great but comparing these 2 is silly.
that's why it really isnt even done.
it wouldnt even be close between the 2.
yates easily. extremely.
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jay is great but comparing these 2 is silly.
that's why it really isnt even done.
it wouldnt even be close between the 2.
yates easily. extremely.
this is coming from a guy who thinks is his father.your 888 page gay thread proves that you think that yates fucked your mom
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Yates hands down.
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More Yates destruction
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Im guessing that there has been a lot of improvements in drugs and nutrition since Dorians reign ended nearly a decade ago.
If Yates era were 10 years later and his first Olympia were 2001, he would win.. no contest.. Ronnie would be dethroned.
Yates dominated in a more competitive era than Jay.. Jay has never stood next to the best at their best.. eg: Levrone, Flex, Ray, Nasser, Dillet. An indication of the 1990s calibre was proven when Vince Taylor placed 11th at last years olympia.. and he wasnt at 100% either.
Jays record is owned by Yates record, Yates lowest placing was 2nd twice in his first of many pro shows.
Yates actually trained back properly rather than heaving weights around, and actually has detail in his back unlike Jay.
Jay has a higher likelyness to be dethroned than Yates ever was.
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jay < dorian < ronnie
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jay < dorian < ronnie
jay < dorian = ronnie
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damn i love it when all the dorian lovers post that pic with levrone and nasser owning his ass. hahahahahahahaha!
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The 93' or 95' version of Yates would have deafeted any version of Jay Cutler. Cutler defeated a sub-par Coleman but is no match for a 98' 99' or 03' Coleman whearas Dorian clearly is.
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even though I think 93 dorian is better, both he and jay have the same dough like arms...uncanny comparison.
(http://www.graphicmuscle.com/photos/730/Men/0D9F9592.jpg)
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Early Yates in my opinion destroys Cutler..... the man has no vascularity and his waist is as wide as a fridge.... and anyone who says vascularity for cutler is all genetic look at his early pics before gh made his skin so thick
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the man has no vascularity and his waist is as wide as a fridge....
are you talking about jay or dorian?
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at 5'9 274lbs, you can just discount Jays overall mass and width.
Even at that heavy body weight, Jay had striations in his vastus lateralis, and his calves were shredded. He has tremendous depth in his 6 pack. On the downside, Jay only as visible veins in his delts and back.
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at 5'9 274lbs, you can just discount Jays overall mass and width.
Even at that heavy body weight, Jay had striations in his vastus lateralis, and his calves were shredded. He has tremendous depth in his 6 pack. On the downside, Jay only as visible veins in his delts and back.
Striations don't mean jack shit when it comes to condition. Flex Wheeler had more striations in his quads at 10% BF than most bodybuilders have at 3%.
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I think 2001 Jay beats any package that Yates has put out..
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Striations don't mean jack shit when it comes to condition. Flex Wheeler had more striations in his quads at 10% BF than most bodybuilders have at 3%.
striations mean a lot more than vascularity! thats for sure. pound for pound and inch for inch, Jay is bigger that Yates and Nasser at their peaks. And Jay doesnt have any glaring weak body parts. Jay is balanced...his best poses are 1) rear double bicep 2) side tricep 3) Abdominal/Thigh.
Nasser = 5'11 @ 275
Yates = 5'10 @ 260
Cutler = 5'9 @ 274
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The thing to remember about Cutler is
1) There is a very noticeable difference in the size of his arms
2) There is a very noticeable difference in the size of his legs
3) From the front, there is a very noticeable difference in the size of his lats
How such a asymmetrical physique can place in a bodybuilding show, let alone win one is beyond me.
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striations mean a lot more than vascularity! thats for sure. pound for pound and inch for inch, Jay is bigger that Yates and Nasser at their peaks. And Jay doesnt have any glaring weak body parts. Jay is balanced...his best poses are 1) rear double bicep 2) side tricep 3) Abdominal/Thigh.
Nasser = 5'11 @ 275
Yates = 5'10 @ 260
Cutler = 5'9 @ 274
You do know we are talking about this guy right...
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/jay_cutler/Cutler_215.jpg) (http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Mr_Olympia/2005/Mr.O_2005_243.jpg)
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Jay needs to train forearms.
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Jay needs to train forearms.
LOL....youre just another guy who will never step foot onstage telling MR Olympia how to train. I think he has a good handle on training. He is #1 in the world right now.
Its funny seeing all the negative stuff being said about Yates and Cutler. Its mostly by guys who never even attended a pro show.
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You do know we are talking about this guy right...
yeah. Melvin and Victor had their shot to beat Jay. They have been trying year after year after year. Jay has beat them every single time they competed. Melvin and Victor have a hard time with guys like Branch Warren and Gustavo Badell. Jay will be around 280lbs in 2007...and Victor and Melvin will not be able to beat that.
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The thing to remember about Cutler is
1) There is a very noticeable difference in the size of his arms
2) There is a very noticeable difference in the size of his legs
3) From the front, there is a very noticeable difference in the size of his lats
How such a asymmetrical physique can place in a bodybuilding show, let alone win one is beyond me.
I have trained right next to Jay. Your 3 points are all completely false.
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striations mean a lot more than vascularity! thats for sure. pound for pound and inch for inch, Jay is bigger that Yates and Nasser at their peaks. And Jay doesnt have any glaring weak body parts. Jay is balanced...his best poses are 1) rear double bicep 2) side tricep 3) Abdominal/Thigh.
Nasser = 5'11 @ 275
Yates = 5'10 @ 260
Cutler = 5'9 @ 274
absolutely correct.hell jay is bigger than ronnie too pound for pound.
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The thing to remember about Cutler is
1) There is a very noticeable difference in the size of his arms
2) There is a very noticeable difference in the size of his legs
3) From the front, there is a very noticeable difference in the size of his lats
How such a asymmetrical physique can place in a bodybuilding show, let alone win one is beyond me.
this year ronnie had..
1)2 torn lats
2)left leg torn
3)left tri torn
ronnies phyisue is not even asymmetrical,its complete shit shit and shit.a bit of imbalances are easily over looked as opposed to torn muscle.ronnie had more tron muscle than yates ever had in an olympia.
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absolutely correct.hell jay is bigger than ronnie too pound for pound.
the only guy that has truly more volume than Jay is Markus Ruhl. Ruhl takes up more space. Markus takes more space than Ronnie too.
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the only guy that has truly more volume than Jay is Markus Ruhl. Ruhl takes up more space. Markus takes more space than Ronnie too.
yep.i think so its because of ruhls shoulder width.same was the case with dillet.hell dillet at his peak took even more space than ruhl :o
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yep.i think so its because of ruhls shoulder width.same was the case with dillet.hell dillet at his peak took even more space than ruhl :o
Dillett was dissplaced by Nasser IMO. Dillet didnt look so big when Nasser landed on the scene. The 1996 and 1997 Mr Olympia video would be interesting to watch.
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this year ronnie had..
1)2 torn lats
2)left leg torn
3)left tri torn
ronnies phyisue is not even asymmetrical,its complete shit shit and shit.a bit of imbalances are easily over looked as opposed to torn muscle.ronnie had more tron muscle than yates ever had in an olympia.
What a retard, he didn't tear anything, look at old pics next to new ones. There isn't much of a differece except he is older and getting more beat up but torn muscles, no.
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What a retard, he didn't tear anything, look at old pics next to new ones. There isn't much of a differece except he is older and getting more beat up but torn muscles, no.
Chad said that Ronnie has Arthritis
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What a retard, he didn't tear anything, look at old pics next to new ones. There isn't much of a differece except he is older and getting more beat up but torn muscles, no.
damn man you're one stupid irritating girl.he did tear muscles and he'll never admit it.this was even in the mags and the flex blog.you don't know shit shithead
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I have trained right next to Jay. Your 3 points are all completely false.
You should tell people to stop photoshopping all the pics of him then ::) ::) ::)
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even though I think 93 dorian is better, both he and jay have the same dough like arms...uncanny comparison.
take a hint already.
2 guys have won the Olympia based on your "flaws".
you are obvisiouly wrong with anything and you are too delusional to accept reality - like contest results.
instead you ingore qualified people and instead rely on your own expert opinion.
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take a hint already.
2 guys have won the Olympia based on your "flaws".
you are obvisiouly wrong with anything and you are too delusional to accept reality - like contest results.
instead you ingore qualified people and instead rely on your own expert opinion.
Great post !
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the biggest guy always wins.this is a fuckin trend of the mr olympia.just see the past 3 mr olympias.lee haney was huge in his time, yates was the first the bring the mass monster look and this was perfected by ronnie.remember mass wins,aesthetics suck at mr olympia.no matter how good an aesthetic bodybuilder looks,the olympia will and always be in the hands of a mass monster
almost entirely true... but some mass monster are never going to win a sandow, like Ruhl or Gunther...
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almost entirely true... but some mass monster are never going to win a sandow, like Ruhl or Gunther...
Who the hell is Gunther ??? ::)
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got to dissagree with the comparrisons
abbs and thigh, rear double bi, rear lat and side tri all belong to yates, as do the 3 quarter turns
double bi, side chest and most musc.... go to cutler,,,
that bein said, dorian would make cutler look like a water baby, dont think anyone has matched his density and conditioning
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cutler's side chest sucks.
it doesnt even look like he is flexing his chest.
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;)
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Jay is balanced...his best poses are 1) rear double bicep 2) side tricep 3) Abdominal/Thigh.
LOL.
Get a fucking grip.
Dorian kills Jay on each of those poses.
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LOL.
Get a fucking grip.
Dorian kills Jay on each of those poses.
dude...Jay competes at 275lbs...Yates competed at 255. And Jay is shorter.
If they were to stand side by side....you would be shocked at the size difference.
If a 275lb Nasser who was 5'11 made Yates look 'not so big', can you imagine was a 5'9 275lb Cutler would look like next to Yates?
Unlike Nasser, Jay hits the mandatories properly too. But the size difference is tremendous. You cant just discount the 20lb mass difference.
(http://npcnewengland.com/images/contest.jpg)
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dude...Jay competes at 275lbs...Yates competed at 255. And Jay is shorter.
If they were to stand side by side....you would be shocked at the size difference.
If a 275lb Nasser who was 5'11 made Yates look 'not so big', can you imagine was a 5'9 275lb Cutler would look like next to Yates?
Unlike Nasser, Jay hits the mandatories properly too. But the size difference is tremendous. You cant just discount the 20lb mass difference.
(http://npcnewengland.com/images/contest.jpg)
lat spread from hell...huge :o
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dude...Jay competes at 275lbs...Yates competed at 255. And Jay is shorter.
If they were to stand side by side....you would be shocked at the size difference.
If a 275lb Nasser who was 5'11 made Yates look 'not so big', can you imagine was a 5'9 275lb Cutler would look like next to Yates?
Unlike Nasser, Jay hits the mandatories properly too. But the size difference is tremendous. You cant just discount the 20lb mass difference.
(http://npcnewengland.com/images/contest.jpg)
dorian is better than jay. size aint everything, besides..yates competed at 270 in his last mr olympia (evening show)
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lat spread from hell...huge :o
I know it is from hell, not to much detail, lots of wrinkles in the lower back. HAHAHAHA I can't believe I just now notice this, his left lat like his left arm and leg is bigger then his right. Jay is the epitome of symmetry.
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I know it is from hell, not to much detail, lots of wrinkles in the lower back.
making ronnie coleman look like a little bitch..pics never lie
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jay has no detail in his upperbody...look at the wide waist. looks like shit.
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jay has no detail in his upperbody...look at the wide waist. looks like shit.
yeah ronnie and yates had 28 inch waists ::)
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making ronnie coleman look like a little bitch..pics never lie
How did Ronnie get into a thread about Cutler and Yates.......... oh wait yeah I forgot, anytime someone says anything negative about Cutler you sling back with something about Coleman and post pics from his worst contest appearance in the last 10 years. ::)
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yeah ronnie and yates had 28 inch waists ::)
shadow dont always compare to ronnie when you discuss jay...ronnie sucks these days. (and there are better bodybuilders than both)
also ronnie used to have a small waist. then he went to having a small waist and a big tummy..then he went to wide waist and big tummy. jay always had a wide waist.
dorians waste and taper is better than cutlers. besides dorian has more definition and detail in his left toe than cutler has in his whole body.
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shadow dont always compare to ronnie when you discuss jay...ronnie sucks these days. (and there are better bodybuilders than both)
also ronnie used to have a small waist. then he went to having a small waist and a big tummy..then he went to wide waist and big tummy. jay always had a wide waist.
dorians waste and taper is better than cutlers. besides dorian has more definition and detail in his left toe than cutler has in his whole body.
aheemm.did you say detail?i have never seen such detail in any pros legs..maybe munzer
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dude...Jay competes at 275lbs...Yates competed at 255. And Jay is shorter.
If they were to stand side by side....you would be shocked at the size difference.
If a 275lb Nasser who was 5'11 made Yates look 'not so big', can you imagine was a 5'9 275lb Cutler would look like next to Yates?
Unlike Nasser, Jay hits the mandatories properly too. But the size difference is tremendous. You cant just discount the 20lb mass difference.
in order for jay to match or even come close to dorian's conditioning, he'd have to come in smaller than his 2004 AC condition in which he looked like shit.
if nasser, dillet, ferrigno, fux, etc. didnt make yates look small, jay sure as hell aint.
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Cutler is the biggest joke ever to grace the stage. When he flexes nothing happens, terrible taper, no vascularity
He is 275lbs. of CRAP.
For the 50th time, the ONLY reason he is MR O is because Ronnie Coleman FINALLY started to show his age.
That's his claim to fame " I hung around long enough for the big guy to fade."
Some accomplisnment ::)
The funny thing is he acts as if he beat Ronnie Coleman.
He didn't beat Ronnie Coleman, he beat an old man who used to be Ronnie Coleman
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Cutler is the biggest joke ever to grace the stage. When he flexes nothing happens, terrible taper, no vascularity
He is 275lbs. of CRAP.
For the 50th time, the ONLY reason he is MR O is because Ronnie Coleman FINALLY started to show his age.
That's his claim to fame " I hung around long enough for the big guy to fade."
Some accomplisnment ::)
The funny thing is he acts as if he beat Ronnie Coleman.
He didn't beat Ronnie Coleman, he beat an old man who used to be Ronnie Coleman
I think these guys speng too much time in the appliance section at sears and not enough time following BBing.
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Cutler is the biggest joke ever to grace the stage. When he flexes nothing happens, terrible taper, no vascularity
He is 275lbs. of CRAP.
For the 50th time, the ONLY reason he is MR O is because Ronnie Coleman FINALLY started to show his age.
That's his claim to fame " I hung around long enough for the big guy to fade."
Some accomplisnment ::)
The funny thing is he acts as if he beat Ronnie Coleman.
He didn't beat Ronnie Coleman, he beat an old man who used to be Ronnie Coleman
cutler owns bodybuilding...and enough with this'ronnie beat ronnie crap'..just admit it..jay was better on game day
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Cutler is the biggest joke ever to grace the stage. When he flexes nothing happens, terrible taper, no vascularity
He is 275lbs. of CRAP.
For the 50th time, the ONLY reason he is MR O is because Ronnie Coleman FINALLY started to show his age.
That's his claim to fame " I hung around long enough for the big guy to fade."
Some accomplisnment ::)
The funny thing is he acts as if he beat Ronnie Coleman.
He didn't beat Ronnie Coleman, he beat an old man who used to be Ronnie Coleman
when ronnie flexes.................. ........nothing happens.all that happnes i visible torn muscles
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Yates - The ugliest most unhealthy physique to ever win the MR. O
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Yates - The ugliest most unhealthy physique to ever win the MR. O
correct................torn triceps,big stomach,crappy legs,torn biceps..he looked even worse than shit
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dorian is better than jay. size aint everything, besides..yates competed at 270 in his last mr olympia (evening show)
Yates look aweful at the 1997 Olympia. Most felt that Nasser won that show. And the 2006 Cutler would CRUSH the 1997 Nasser.
Yates at was never this dry at 275lbs...
(http://www.ifbb.com/ifbbpro/2006events/cutler1.jpg)
Plus Jay is Shorter
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cutler has never been close to this level of conditioning.
at times, his hams have been ripped, but not even close.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Yates02.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy209.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy187.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy52.jpg)
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Cutler at 280-290...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/diablo86/ripped%20to%20shreds%20d2/dfsfasd.jpg)
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Cutler at 280-290...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/diablo86/ripped%20to%20shreds%20d2/dfsfasd.jpg)
Stretched photo.
Looks like ASS regardless
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Dorian is much better than cutler
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Please post pictures of Cutler matching this....but don't embarrass yourself :-*
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Yates look aweful at the 1997 Olympia. Most felt that Nasser won that show. And the 2006 Cutler would CRUSH the 1997 Nasser.
Yates at was never this dry at 275lbs...
(http://www.ifbb.com/ifbbpro/2006events/cutler1.jpg)
Plus Jay is Shorter
agreed nasser won 1997!....as for jay...he is one of the worst mr olympias ever. and jay was never in the same condition as dorian was.
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ya ever notice that with all the bullshit "Ronnie vs. Dorian" threads here, you never hear a thread that compares Yates with Cutler?
If Jay is supposed to be new champ, the one who unseated Ronnie, the best the bodybuilding world has to offer... why is it no one bothers to try to put him on Dorian's pedestal?
(This is just one asian guy's opinion, sorry ronnie)
There'a a very simple explanation for that. Ronnie was unseated because he was almost 43 and off in conditioning. This is about comparing peak forms. At their best, Ronnie and Dorian are so far above Cutler that it isn't even funny. No, seriously, it is cruelty. It isn't even a discussion.
Cutler is slightly bigger than both Ronnie and Dorian at their bests, but that's the only thing that Cutler has on Coleman and Yates. Both Ronnie at 249 lbs and Dorian at 260 lbs - their respective bests - are so much more symmetrical, proportional, hard and have such superior structures than Jay that it is almost like comparing the pros to the amateurs.
Even at his worst, at the 1997 Olympia, Dorian was hard as granite at 270 lbs and had clearly separated abdominals and serratus, besides that his back was more separated, much, much harder and even thicker than Cutler's - only the 2003 Coleman has a back as thick as the 1997 Dorian.
Cutler at only 5 lbs heavier is bloated, soft as marschmellow, has little separations and the worst midsection ever. Arguing Dorian vs Ronnie is acceptable, but Dorian vs Jay is retarded. Sorry.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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There'a a very simple explanation for that. Ronnie was unseated because he was almost 43 and off in conditioning. This is about comparing peak forms. At their best, Ronnie and Dorian are so far above Cutler that it isn't even funny. No, seriously, it is cruelty. It isn't even a discussion.
Cutler is slightly bigger than both Ronnie and Dorian at their bests, but that's the only thing that Cutler has on Coleman and Yates. Both Ronnie at 249 lbs and Dorian at 260 lbs - their respective bests - are so much more symmetrical, proportional, hard and have such superior structures than Jay that it is almost like comparing the pros to the amateurs.
Even at his worst, at the 1997 Olympia, Dorian was hard as granite at 270 lbs and had clearly separated abdominals and serratus, besides that his back was more separated, much, much harder and even thicker than Cutler's - only the 2003 Coleman has a back as thick as the 1997 Dorian.
Cutler at only 5 lbs heavier is bloated, soft as marschmellow, has little separations and the worst midsection ever. Arguing Dorian vs Ronnie is acceptable, but Dorian vs Jay is retarded. Sorry.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
agreed!
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contdown to MAXMUSCLE:
5....., 4......... 3,..........2,........
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There'a a very simple explanation for that. Ronnie was unseated because he was almost 43 and off in conditioning. This is about comparing peak forms. At their best, Ronnie and Dorian are so far above Cutler that it isn't even funny. No, seriously, it is cruelty. It isn't even a discussion.
Cutler is slightly bigger than both Ronnie and Dorian at their bests, but that's the only thing that Cutler has on Coleman and Yates. Both Ronnie at 249 lbs and Dorian at 260 lbs - their respective bests - are so much more symmetrical, proportional, hard and have such superior structures than Jay that it is almost like comparing the pros to the amateurs.
Even at his worst, at the 1997 Olympia, Dorian was hard as granite at 270 lbs and had clearly separated abdominals and serratus, besides that his back was more separated, much, much harder and even thicker than Cutler's - only the 2003 Coleman has a back as thick as the 1997 Dorian.
Cutler at only 5 lbs heavier is bloated, soft as marschmellow, has little separations and the worst midsection ever. Arguing Dorian vs Ronnie is acceptable, but Dorian vs Jay is retarded. Sorry.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
True, Jay Cutler is the most overrated guy next to Dexter. All Cutler has goin for him is size and popularity.
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ahahahah some of you assclowns totally hate jay....pathetic but the truth is that is not over-rated
he never tore any muscle
he trains the smartest
he is bigger than yates
he is bigger than ronnie
and by the way i hate living in the past.jay might not have been the greatest in the past but thats a different story.this is march 2007 and not march 2003.jay has improved and he will keep on improving and right now is the greatest bodybuilder on this planet.i love to live in the present and look forward to the future...past is past..i don't give a fuck about it.jay will again win the sandow this year
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some of you assclowns totally hate jay
not true.
jay is a great bber and great for the sport.
he just isnt on yates or coleman's level.
at least not yet.
it took ronnie 7 years to get mr. olympia and into his prime - after he turned pro in 91.
yates was an enigma - he was dominant from the beginning.
time will tell about jay.
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comparison video
YATES vs cutler
(http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/VIDEO-BEHEADING-Eugene-Armstrong.WMV/)
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not true.
jay is a great bber and great for the sport.
he just isnt on yates or coleman's level.
at least not yet.
it took ronnie 7 years to get mr. olympia and into his prime - after he turned pro in 91.
yates was an enigma - he was dominant from the beginning.
time will tell about jay.
jay will never be great
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not true.
jay is a great bber and great for the sport.
he just isnt on yates or coleman's level.
at least not yet.
it took ronnie 7 years to get mr. olympia and into his prime - after he turned pro in 91.
yates was an enigma - he was dominant from the beginning.
time will tell about jay.
i don't live in the past and you should too..i live in the present and currently jay is the champ
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lol its like comparing gold to silver
btw dorian is gold, ronnie is silver
and culter is refrigerator
hahahhaha
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ahahahah some of you assclowns totally hate jay....pathetic but the truth is that is not over-rated
he never tore any muscle
he trains the smartest
he is bigger than yates
he is bigger than ronnie
and by the way i hate living in the past.jay might not have been the greatest in the past but thats a different story.this is march 2007 and not march 2003.jay has improved and he will keep on improving and right now is the greatest bodybuilder on this planet.i love to live in the present and look forward to the future...past is past..i don't give a fuck about it.jay will again win the sandow this year
Sure, Dorian competed at 260 lbs while Cutler came in at 275 lbs for last year's Olympia, so he's bigger. However, the point is that this is the only thing that Jay has on Dorian, because the latter's musculature is much harder and more separated than Jay's.
In fact, Dorian defeats Jay even for absolute size. The evidence? Dorian looked like a rock at 270 lbs; Cutler looks bloated and without separations at the same weight. This points out that Dorian actually carried more absolute mass than Jay. Dorian was at his best at 260 lbs, but he could come in much heavier and still be more conditioned than Cutler. Dorian was a vastly superior bodybuilder than Jay at everything.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I'm going to make some comparisons of Jay and Dorian at their bests - I personally think Jay is underrated, but he's not at the level Ronnie and Dorian presented at their peaks.
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Yates hands down.
Clear proof why Nasser could NEVER beat Dorian.... ;)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=121675.0;attach=137113;image)
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I have trained right next to Jay. Your 3 points are all completely false.
hahahaha, oh brother, another clown who's "trained next to Cutler", where does Jay find the time to train with all these guys?
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Ok, here is Cutler and Yates through the 8 mandatories, hope you like, enjoy :)
(http://xs316.xs.to/xs316/07266/yatescutler1.jpg)
(http://xs316.xs.to/xs316/07266/Yatescutler2.jpg)
(http://xs316.xs.to/xs316/07266/Yatescutler3.jpg)
(http://xs316.xs.to/xs316/07266/Yatescutler4.jpg)
(http://xs316.xs.to/xs316/07266/yatescutler5.jpg)
(http://xs316.xs.to/xs316/07266/Yatescutler6.jpg)
(http://xs316.xs.to/xs316/07266/yatescutler7.jpg)
(http://xs316.xs.to/xs316/07266/yatescutler8.jpg)
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which one is dorian?
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I think Jay actually has worse abs than Ronnie..never though anyone could have worse abs than him, but man, what the hell happened to Jay's abs? ???
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Cutler is inferior.
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Ok, here is Cutler and Yates through the 8 mandatories, hope you like, enjoy :)
(http://xs316.xs.to/xs316/07266/yatescutler1.jpg)
(http://xs316.xs.to/xs316/07266/Yatescutler2.jpg)
(http://xs316.xs.to/xs316/07266/Yatescutler3.jpg)
(http://xs316.xs.to/xs316/07266/Yatescutler4.jpg)
(http://xs316.xs.to/xs316/07266/yatescutler5.jpg)
(http://xs316.xs.to/xs316/07266/Yatescutler6.jpg)
(http://xs316.xs.to/xs316/07266/yatescutler7.jpg)
(http://xs316.xs.to/xs316/07266/yatescutler8.jpg)
No contest, Dorian by far.... :o
Man, the further we get away from that era (early to mid 90s), the more impressive those pictures get.
gotta agree with you... :'(
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Yates cant win against Jay on
Legs
Arms
Delts
Pecs.
Overall mass
Jay cant win against Yates on
Back
Overall condition.
5-2
Jay win
agree
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Thats a good comparison Pobrecito.
On the other hand its hard to make a comparison if the 2 bodybuilders don't stand next to eachother.
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Now I don't think Yates really has very good separation but he would certainly out-separate Jay any day!
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I think its funny how they share some many odd characteristics:
they both have blocky tapers with thick waists
they both have medicore upper bodies as displayed in the most muscular yet won the O. anyways..
they both have wrinkles of loose skin in the rear lat spread pose..
both have great calves..
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comparison video
YATES vs cutler
(http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/VIDEO-BEHEADING-Eugene-Armstrong.WMV/)
i see no yates or cutler
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LOL thats a lot more than one wrinkle..
see the truce thread for an in-depth discussion lol
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Dorian was clearly better than Jay or Ronnie.
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Yates by a mile. Culter is good and deserves at least 2 sandow's. Only weakness Yates had were his arms. Yates conditioning was amazing for such a large guy. imo, there only three guys who in the history of the sport that could have beaten Yates. Coleman 98' O, Levrone 95' O 00' 0, Wheeler 99' O 99 Britsh Gran Prix.
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yes, Coleman 98 could have definately beat Yates.
I agree totally. 8)
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Yates by a mile. Culter is good and deserves at least 2 sandow's. Only weakness Yates had were his arms. Yates conditioning was amazing for such a large guy. imo, there only three guys who in the history of the sport that could have beaten Yates. Coleman 98' O, Levrone 95' O 00' 0, Wheeler 99' O 99 Britsh Gran Prix.
95 levrone?
i guess you never actually saw the contest then.
::)
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Ithey both have medicore upper bodies as displayed in the most muscular yet won the O. anyways..
why is it that you seem to think that the one pose that determines everything is the most muscular?
just bc ronnie looks good in it, and others dont look as good, means nothing in reality.
but for a pathetic guy as yourself, it means everything.
this has been discussed before - many others have better mm's than ronnie.
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just bc ronnie looks good in it, and others dont look as good, means nothing in reality.
LOL means nothing in reality?
no retard.
it means they have an upper body that can't come close to Ronnie's if ronnie blows them away in the pose.. ::)
god, you are so clueless.. :-\
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and besides, don't even start with your bullshit about how Fux has a better mm than Ronnie.. ::)
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95 levrone?
i guess you never actually saw the contest then.
::)
was there in atlanta in 95. kev could not and did not come close to yates.
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was there in atlanta in 95. kev could not and did not come close to yates.
what qualities would you say separated Dorian from Kevin at that year's Olympia?
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LOL means nothing in reality?
no retard.
it means they have an upper body that can't come close to Ronnie's if ronnie blows them away in the pose.. ::)
god, you are so clueless.. :-\
all bc of one pose.
you cant be serious.
but you are which makes it all the more pathetic.
acutally, the mm hides ronnie's gyno and the worst midsection of any olympia winner and top ifbb pro.
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yes. one pose.
one pose that shows the delts, arms, pecs,- it showcases the upper body.
here is a lesson for you:
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what qualities would you say separated Dorian from Kevin at that year's Olympia?
size, hardness and separations (believe it or not!). kev was big and relatively hard but nowhere near defined or separated as yates.
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yes. one pose.
one pose that shows the delts, arms, pecs,- it showcases the upper body.
here is a lesson for you:
what's the lesson?
that ronnie despite what you claim being better with arms, chest, etc. never beat dorian?
thanks for the lesson, we already knew that.
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what's the lesson?
that ronnie despite what you claim being better with arms, chest, etc. never beat dorian?
thanks for the lesson, we already knew that.
And LOST to Gunter and JAY.. :o.... :P
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when did prime time Ronnie ever lose to gunter Jay or dorian?
it never happened.
hell, ronnie's 2003 form (not even his best IMO) destroyed Jay and Gunter so bad they didn't even know what to do..
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when did prime time Ronnie ever lose to gunter Jay or dorian?
it never happened.
hell, ronnie's 2003 form (not even his best IMO) destroyed Jay and Gunter so bad they didn't even know what to do..
Ronnie never competed against anyone with a better back then him as would be the case if he faced Dorian when both were in peak shape.
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Ronnie never competed against anyone with a better back then him as would be the case if he faced Dorian when both were in peak shape.
LOL not many people share your opinion that yates had a better back..
maybe over on ironage.us. but not anywhere where the progress of the sport is recognized..