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Title: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: Board_SHERIF on January 23, 2007, 12:57:01 PM
Brilliant:

Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: Board_SHERIF on January 23, 2007, 01:00:25 PM
natural king:
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: timfogarty on January 23, 2007, 02:20:01 PM
natural king:

stop with the "natural".   no one today can prove any bodybuilder in the last 65 years was lifetime drug free.
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: alexxx on January 23, 2007, 02:22:30 PM
stop with the "natural".   no one today can prove any bodybuilder in the last 65 years was lifetime drug free.

Well it sure doesn't look like he juiced..
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on January 23, 2007, 02:23:57 PM
stop with the "natural".   no one today can prove any bodybuilder in the last 65 years was lifetime drug free.


Sure they can especially when Anabolics weren't intoduced into the game until the earliest 1956 , so pre-D-Bol its very safe to say bodybuilders were natural
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: The True Adonis on January 23, 2007, 02:26:46 PM

Sure they can especially when Anabolics weren't intoduced into the game until the earliest 1956 , so pre-D-Bol its very safe to say bodybuilders were natural
Careful, He is going to try and fabricate a contrived argument that Eugene Sandow and Bobby Pandour were walking GH banks.

hahahah
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on January 23, 2007, 02:28:48 PM
Careful, He is going to try and fabricate a contrived argument that Eugene Sandow and Bobby Pandour were walking GH banks.

hahahah

Like gh15 and his Reeves claims  ::)
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: Pollux on January 23, 2007, 02:59:44 PM
Speakin' of Reg Park magazines...
Here's another RARE Arnold magazine I have in my collection where he's featured on the May 1967 of Man's World & Reg Park Journal.

(http://vintagemusclemags.com/magCovers/mwrpj/mwrpj6705.jpg)

Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: bmacsys on January 23, 2007, 03:42:33 PM
stop with the "natural".   no one today can prove any bodybuilder in the last 65 years was lifetime drug free.

Nobody can prove they weren't either. Especially Vince Gironda.
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: Board_SHERIF on January 23, 2007, 04:51:53 PM
stop with the "natural".   no one today can prove any bodybuilder in the last 65 years was lifetime drug free.

I guess you have not read any of Vince's stuff ? he deplored steriods - He was truely natural   ;D
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: timfogarty on January 23, 2007, 05:05:06 PM
Sure they can especially when Anabolics weren't intoduced into the game until the earliest 1956 , so pre-D-Bol its very safe to say bodybuilders were natural

testosterone esters have been available in the US since at least 1938, as they were already being discussed in the November 1938 issue of Strength and Health.
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on January 23, 2007, 05:08:41 PM
testosterone esters have been available in the US since at least 1938, as they were already being discussed in the November 1938 issue of Strength and Health.

They been discussed , okay now its taking a massive leap to say people had them available and were using them and even if they did how they worked , its very safe to assume that pre 1958 for all intents & purposes bodybuilders were natural
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: timfogarty on January 23, 2007, 05:22:14 PM
They been discussed , okay now its taking a massive leap to say people had them available and were using them and even if they did how they worked , its very safe to assume that pre 1958 for all intents & purposes bodybuilders were natural

- they were available in 1938
- if they are available, people are using them, whether with the help of a doctor or not
- world class athletes have always been on the forefront of advances.  they'd be the first to experiment.  they're always the first to have access to what's new
- there would be no reason for a world class athlete not to use them. 
- the evidence may be circumstantial, but the evidence is there that Eiferman and Delinger used them when they visited Yarick's gym in 48 and 49.  and yes, I believe that Reeves used them in 53.

and while I cannot prove that a specific athlete used them any more than you can prove that someone didn't use them, to say that they weren't being used prior to the late 1950s defies all evidence.

btw, dianabol was released in the US in 1956
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on January 23, 2007, 05:30:18 PM
- they were available in 1938
- if they are available, people are using them, whether with the help of a doctor or not
- world class athletes have always been on the forefront of advances.  they'd be the first to experiment.  they're always the first to have access to what's new
- there would be no reason for a world class athlete not to use them. 
- the evidence may be circumstantial, but the evidence is there that Eiferman and Delinger used them when they visited Yarick's gym in 48 and 49.  and yes, I believe that Reeves used them in 53.

and while I cannot prove that a specific athlete used them any more than you can prove that someone didn't use them, to say that they weren't being used prior to the late 1950s defies all evidence.

btw, dianabol was released in the US in 1956

You're right all circumstantial , and why would Revess use them post retirement? he retired in 1950 at the age of 24 because there were no more titles to win , and he pursued his acting career and he was noticeably smaller in his movie roles , he competed at 215 pounds in some reports for movies he was down to 187 pounds and Reeves flat out denies ever taking any steroids and I'm sure you know he was a man of integrity , he had nothing to gain by lying .

and I know were D-bols were released
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: nycbull on January 24, 2007, 06:07:55 AM
stop with the "natural".   no one today can prove any bodybuilder in the last 65 years was lifetime drug free.

truth.
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: Bluto on January 24, 2007, 06:14:57 AM
im not impressed with vince's physique
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: Board_SHERIF on January 24, 2007, 08:26:38 AM
im not impressed with vince's physique


Are you blind ??
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: Bluto on January 24, 2007, 08:52:50 AM
Are you blind ??

i must be, i dont think he looks anything special :-\
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: Board_SHERIF on January 24, 2007, 08:55:59 AM
i must be, i dont think he looks anything special :-\



The guy was 40 plus years old, no drugs, no advanced supplements - I think he was way under-rated....
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: Bluto on January 24, 2007, 08:56:56 AM

The guy was 40 plus years old, no drugs, no advanced supplements - I think he was way under-rated....

what did he look like at 25-30 ?
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: Board_SHERIF on January 24, 2007, 09:01:40 AM
what did he look like at 25-30 ?

he did not start training until 40 years old....
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: Bluto on January 24, 2007, 09:14:31 AM
he did not start training until 40 years old....
really? didnt know that
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: Board_SHERIF on January 24, 2007, 10:40:44 AM
really? didnt know that


That is why I am so impressed with the Iron Gura   8)
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: Bluto on January 24, 2007, 10:42:32 AM
well that puts it in another perspective
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: jacshelb on January 24, 2007, 11:23:23 AM
I've read and own a couple of Vince's books, not that that is a big deal, but I think he says something about training well before forty.  I mean, he competed in the 40s, right?  I think his book talks about his family moving to california and Vince starting training at 22. 

"Unleashing the Wild Physique" is actually a very insightful book with some very interesting diet and training ideas- little things that can really help polish the physique.  That was Vince's "thing"- creating a great v-taper, getting ripped, and "sculpting" a body in a certain way.  He was very particular about what he liked and didn't.  He was known for being very arrogant and even mean, which I believe.  While I've never been a big fan of his physique (as an ectomorph myself, I think he just doesn't give me much to shoot for!), I do think some of his ideas have merit.  But, yeah, his build just doesn't seem very powerful or inspiring to me- maybe it will as I get older.


Jacob
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: Board_SHERIF on January 24, 2007, 11:26:16 AM
I've read and own a couple of Vince's books, not that that is a big deal, but I think he says something about training well before forty.  I mean, he competed in the 40s, right?  I think his book talks about his family moving to california and Vince starting training at 22. 

"Unleashing the Wild Physique" is actually a very insightful book with some very interesting diet and training ideas- little things that can really help polish the physique.  That was Vince's "thing"- creating a great v-taper, getting ripped, and "sculpting" a body in a certain way.  He was very particular about what he liked and didn't.  He was known for being very arrogant and even mean, which I believe.  While I've never been a big fan of his physique (as an ectomorph myself, I think he just doesn't give me much to shoot for!), I do think some of his ideas have merit.  But, yeah, his build just doesn't seem very powerful or inspiring to me- maybe it will as I get older.


Jacob


I have "Unleashing the Wild Physique" - I am quite sure he says he did not start training until 40 years old, or I may have read that in his column he used to have in Musclemag....
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: jacshelb on January 24, 2007, 11:33:50 AM
Well, considering he was born in 1917 and competed in the 1950 USA, he would have been 33 at that contest and likely been training quite awhile.   He continued to compete until 1962 at the Pro Universe, in which he would have been around 45, which is impressive and he was in good shape.  Not trying to be a prick, Vince was a pioneer for sure and definately a unique individual.


Jacob
Title: Re: Classic Vince in Reg Parks Magazine
Post by: Board_SHERIF on January 24, 2007, 11:36:15 AM
Well, considering he was born in 1917 and competed in the 1950 USA, he would have been 33 at that contest and likely been training quite awhile.   He continued to compete until 1962 at the Pro Universe, in which he would have been around 45, which is impressive and he was in good shape.  Not trying to be a prick, Vince was a pioneer for sure and definately a unique individual.


Jacob

Well I learned something - thanks for pointing that out for me, I was wrong all this time.... ;)