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Dr. John C. Hagee is the founder and Senior Pastor of Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas, a non-denominational evangelical church with more than 18,000 active members.
Dr. Hagee is the President and C.E.O. of John Hagee Ministries which telecasts his national radio and television ministry carried in America on 160 T.V. stations, 50 radio stations, eight networks and can be seen weekly in 99 million homes. John Hagee Ministries is in Canada on the Miracle Channel and CTS, and can be seen in Africa, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and is in most Third World nations.
If you have the chance I highly recommend watching his broadcasts. He is a very strong supporter of Israel and well educated in Bible prophecy. More than likely he will answer any questions you may have about those two subjects.
If you take some time out of your day, go to his ministry site and watch his webcast, I promise, you will be enlightened.
http://www.jhm.org/
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hahahaha oh brother... u expect us to listen to that big fat porker? dude keeps condemning others for sin, but has he ever heard of "gluttony"?
the guy is just a showbusiness wannabe preaching propaganda to all the retarded sex-fearing, bible-thumping, gay-dreading, trailer-living uneducated idiots out there...
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hahahaha oh brother... u expect us to listen to that big fat porker? dude keeps condemning others for sin, but has he ever heard of "gluttony"?
the guy is just a showbusiness wannabe preaching propaganda to all the retarded sex-fearing, bible-thumping, gay-dreading, trailer-living uneducated idiots out there...
then don't watch it. just leave you opinions and judgements to yourself.
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You mean that swine of a hatemonger is allowed to spread his prejudices, hatred, and paranoia under the guise of religion, while I'm supposed to keep my opinions to myself?
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You mean that swine of a hatemonger is allowed to spread his prejudices, hatred, and paranoia under the guise of religion, while I'm supposed to keep my opinions to myself?
i actually like this post. what people dont seem to understand is that if god mad gayness, or allowed the choice to be gay it cant be held against people. he created everything, the options if you will, how could he condem someone for making choices he provided? he cant and hate spreading idiots are the opposite of godliness.
if he wanted no sin, there would be none, i think there is a purpose for life, to learn and negativity,suffering are the only ways to learn, or the best ways. after being sick, people dont take life for granted, after having someone die people dont take people for granted there has to be a purpose.
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i actually like this post. what people dont seem to understand is that if god mad gayness, or allowed the choice to be gay it cant be held against people. he created everything, the options if you will, how could he condem someone for making choices he provided? he cant and hate spreading idiots are the opposite of godliness.
if he wanted no sin, there would be none, i think there is a purpose for life, to learn and negativity,suffering are the only ways to learn, or the best ways. after being sick, people dont take life for granted, after having someone die people dont take people for granted there has to be a purpose.
You're saying that because God gave people the power to choose between right and wrong that they cannot be held accountable for choosing to do the wrong thing?
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i actually like this post. what people dont seem to understand is that if god mad gayness, or allowed the choice to be gay it cant be held against people. he created everything, the options if you will, how could he condem someone for making choices he provided? he cant and hate spreading idiots are the opposite of godliness.
if he wanted no sin, there would be none, i think there is a purpose for life, to learn and negativity,suffering are the only ways to learn, or the best ways. after being sick, people dont take life for granted, after having someone die people dont take people for granted there has to be a purpose.
God did not create sin. He created the opportunity for sin.
Example: God created sex for a husband and wife and look what the world has done with it. God did not create all the sexual immorality
He allows you to make your own decisions in life.
We are not supposed to know Gods reasoning behind everything He does. We never will.
Me, personally, I would rather worship a god who allows me to make mistakes in life and still loves me no matter what. I would rather worship a god who all he ask for is to believe in him and love him.
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no im saying the ridiculousness of what is considered wrong is whats wrong. gayness doesnt harm anyone, and its not a choice why would that be a problem, that is the opposite of loving everyone, and judging others(thats gods job not yours nor mine).
some would say there is no such thing as wrong or right only choices, while i disagree i tend to think that an all loving god wouldnt ban gayness nor some other stupid claims made by religions.
what do you mean by wrong, what is your definition of wrong?
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why would being gay be wrong, if love is the union? doesnt make any sense.
love is the only rule i beleive god holds us too. do on to others as you would have them do to you, this lesson would end all of the worlds suffering and problems. the truth is always simple, thats whats elegant about truth.
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mightymouse72, do you believe that homosexual and heterosexual extramarital and premarital sexual relations should be illegal?
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also no pastor nor person can speak the truth it is unknown. since god is infinite and we are finite any attribute we ascribe or dont ascribe to god is wrong. we cant quantify god, we can take guesses.
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Leviticus 20:13-
'If a man also lie with man, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. their blood shall be upon them.
Romans 1: 26-32
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections; for even their women did exchange the natural use for that which is against nature;
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working that which is unseemly, and recieving in themselves that recompense of their error which was fitting.....
32: Who, knowing the judgement of God, that they who commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same but have pleasure in them that do them.
homosexuality is a choice, it's a sin.
when you hear a pastor condemning gays, he is NOT judging. he is merely stating it is a sin.
every time i go to church, i am told i am a sinner. i know i'm a sinner. it is hard for me to hear that, but i am.
nowadays, no one wants to be told their lifestyle is wrong. they want to be accepted. so when a gay person hears a preacher tell them they are sinning, they take it out on them. just read columbus dude's post.
hahahaha oh brother... u expect us to listen to that big fat porker? dude keeps condemning others for sin, but has he ever heard of "gluttony"?
the guy is just a showbusiness wannabe preaching propaganda to all the retarded sex-fearing, bible-thumping, gay-dreading, trailer-living uneducated idiots out there...
no, being gay does not hurt me. i don't care what a gay person does. just don't try to get me accept their lifestyle as OK. gay people will have to answer for their sins one day, just as i will.
their sins are no greater than mine, as mine is no greater than theirs.
we will all be judged the same one day.
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i dont care what the book says, how is it a sin. i work on logic(something god gave me and you, not blind acceptance) what you said is not logical. why is it a sin?
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i dont care what the book says, how is it a sin. i work on logic(something god gave me and you, not blind acceptance) what you said is not logical. why is it a sin?
i inserted the Bible references that state homosexuality is a sin. God's own words. then you state you don't care what it says.
there is no other way to answer your question.
either you believe God's word or not.
blind acceptance= faith
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blind acceptance is faith, but this does not require faith it requires logic. im asking you to use your head, say it isnt the word of god but a skewed representation, why would gayness be a sin.
accepting your word as gospel is blind acceptance to which the veracity can be ascertained, believing in god is faith but a book is not. please answer the question as to why gayness is a sin assuming all you know is there is a loving god who cares for everyone the same. why would gayness be a sin?
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Leviticus 20:13-
'If a man also lie with man, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. their blood shall be upon them.
Romans 1: 26-32
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections; for even their women did exchange the natural use for that which is against nature;
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working that which is unseemly, and recieving in themselves that recompense of their error which was fitting.....
32: Who, knowing the judgement of God, that they who commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same but have pleasure in them that do them.
homosexuality is a choice, it's a sin.
when you hear a pastor condemning gays, he is NOT judging. he is merely stating it is a sin.
every time i go to church, i am told i am a sinner. i know i'm a sinner. it is hard for me to hear that, but i am.
nowadays, no one wants to be told their lifestyle is wrong. they want to be accepted. so when a gay person hears a preacher tell them they are sinning, they take it out on them. just read columbus dude's post.
no, being gay does not hurt me. i don't care what a gay person does. just don't try to get me accept their lifestyle as OK. gay people will have to answer for their sins one day, just as i will.
their sins are no greater than mine, as mine is no greater than theirs.
we will all be judged the same one day.
You do realize that the bible was just written by a bunch of people... they were not "special", they were not God... they were just people.
Also, there have been SCIENTIFIC studies which show that there is a difference in brain patters between those of homosexual and heterosexual natures... thereby showing that you are indeed born that way and that you do not "Choose".
http://neurocritic.blogspot.com/2006/05/sweat-urine-and-sexual-orientation.html
Let me know when you want to bring back witch burnings.
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yes that is the point im making, homo's ;D have brain structures similar to females, along with androgen patterns and levels more conducive to a hetero female. its not a choice, i should have said that. they were made that way, why would it be a sin? god created them that way then they are shunned for it? doesnt make sense.
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the guy is just a showbusiness wannabe preaching propaganda to all the retarded sex-fearing, bible-thumping, gay-dreading, trailer-living uneducated idiots out there...
Yep, people like this...
EDIT: I havn't heard Pastor Hagee yet, I was just being a jack ass posting that. ;D Sorry.
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Yep, people like this...
It was sooo disturbing to watch the little girl in that tape.
If you see about 3 mins 48 seconds into it, that little girl was terrified.
I wonder if there is a fund set aside for the therapy the members of that family is going to need? :'(
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Pastor Hagee is one of my favorite preachers, right up there with David Jeremiah and Joel Osteen.
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hahaha what a crazy bitch, gluttony is a sin you fat pig.
doesnt the bible say something about not judging others lest you be judged.
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Pastor Hagee is one of my favorite preachers, right up there with David Jeremiah and Joel Osteen.
Maybe John Hagee should explain to everyone who is sincere in their religious beliefs why the year 2000 came and went by without people witnessing the end of the evil world as well as the supposed second coming of the christ named Jesus. If that had happened as the predictions stated, there probably wouldn't have been a terrorist tragedy that caused the demolition of the world trade center in the city of new york.
I can't believe in what anyone else says about the 20 1st century. This NAMED YEAR does not count in historic times because those years 1999&2000 as well as the 1st year post 9-11 came and went by without any real religious revelations.
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When exactly did Hagee predict that 2000 would be a year of "real religious revelations"?
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Good point... That porker's only prediction was that he would go for a seventh helping of cheesecake after a big meal of ribs n fries...
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When exactly did Hagee predict that 2000 would be a year of "real religious revelations"?
He reportedly did so in 1999 on the 700 Club.
It wasn't a Y2K new years day prediction. It was about what was predicted to happen in sequences that would culminate near the end of the year 2000.
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You do realize that the bible was just written by a bunch of people... they were not "special", they were not God... they were just people.
Also, there have been SCIENTIFIC studies which show that there is a difference in brain patters between those of homosexual and heterosexual natures... thereby showing that you are indeed born that way and that you do not "Choose".
http://neurocritic.blogspot.com/2006/05/sweat-urine-and-sexual-orientation.html
Let me know when you want to bring back witch burnings.
Scientific studies also show that sexual activity at certain ages can alter brain patterns. In other words, it's a classic case of chicken vs. egg. Are the brain patterns the cause or the result of homosexual activity?
How many times have we heard of someone who is gay admit to being sexually molested as a child? Would that somebody have been heterosexual had such molestation not occurred?
And, if those brain patterns were the cause of homosexual behavior, one would think such would be detected BEFORE someone comes out or gets outed.
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why would being gay be wrong, if love is the union? doesnt make any sense.
love is the only rule i beleive god holds us too. do on to others as you would have them do to you, this lesson would end all of the worlds suffering and problems. the truth is always simple, thats whats elegant about truth.
Love does not excuse immoral behavior. People who have affairs on their spouses can love each other (and often times, they do). That doesn't make adultery right.
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hahahaha oh brother... u expect us to listen to that big fat porker? dude keeps condemning others for sin, but has he ever heard of "gluttony"?
the guy is just a showbusiness wannabe preaching propaganda to all the retarded sex-fearing, bible-thumping, gay-dreading, trailer-living uneducated idiots out there...
Now what was that you were saying about someone being a "hatemonger"?
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Love does not excuse immoral behavior. People who have affairs on their spouses can love each other (and often times, they do). That doesn't make adultery right.
Doesn't really make it wrong either... That book of fiction that says it's wrong is in no way the determination of right and wrong.
Right and wrong were around long before the Ancient Hebrew text said "Adultery" was a sin.
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Love does not excuse immoral behavior. People who have affairs on their spouses can love each other (and often times, they do). That doesn't make adultery right.
umm... thats not true love try again. if someone loved another they wouldnt cheat, simple.
as the only one qualified to talk about the brain in this discussion :D, i feel that everything everyone is saying about gayness as a choice is dead wrong.
studies have been conducted, and an area of the brain called the sexual dimorphic nucleus in gay males is similar to that of hetero women, more so then hetero men. this is due to prenatal adrogen exposure.
therefore its not a choice, god made them that way(however, god has nothing to due with controlling the happenings in the universe) so how can he condem them? he cant, its illlogical, therefore its wrong.
gayness is not a sin, preaching hate is.
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Doesn't really make it wrong either... That book of fiction that says it's wrong is in no way the determination of right and wrong.
Right and wrong were around long before the Ancient Hebrew text said "Adultery" was a sin.
"Right and wrong" based on what?
That's the point! You can't determine right and wrong, without a set of guidelines or rules. A standard must be set to make a determination regarding morality.
umm... thats not true love try again. if someone loved another they wouldnt cheat, simple.
Why wouldn't they cheat? What standard says that someone, once married, should remain faithful to his wife?
Who making the rules, here?
as the only one qualified to talk about the brain in this discussion :D, i feel that everything everyone is saying about gayness as a choice is dead wrong.
studies have been conducted, and an area of the brain called the sexual dimorphic nucleus in gay males is similar to that of hetero women, more so then hetero men. this is due to prenatal adrogen exposure.
therefore its not a choice, god made them that way(however, god has nothing to due with controlling the happenings in the universe) so how can he condem them? he cant, its illlogical, therefore its wrong.
gayness is not a sin, preaching hate is.
Then why hasn't this been found BEFORE someone engages in homosexual activity?
If it's a simple case of androgen exposure, why not simply pump the guys with some hormones to fix the problem? You are assuming the "gay wiring" (for lack of a better term) is irreversible.
And, that still doesn't address what I said earlier, regarding gays who were molested as kids and the impact that had on their homosexuality. Nor, does it mention the lesbian factor, as a significant number of them revert to heterosexuality on a regular basis.
With regards to your "preaching hate" spiel, calling something immoral is nothing of the sort. Adultery is wrong; that doesn't mean that people who say such are "preaching hate" toward those who are unfaithful to their spouses.
Again, you can't state that "preaching hate" is wrong, without a standard of morality against which to base such.
Biblically speaking, we have such a standard: When it comes to sexual conduct, any sexual activity outside the confines of marriage (defined as a union between a man and a woman) is immoral, period.
Unfortunately, we don't always follow that standard. But, at least, we know what that standard is.
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Forget pastor/teachers, meet God on your own terms not the terms that some fool thats no smarter than you thinks they should be.
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Forget pastor/teachers, meet God on your own terms not the terms that some fool thats no smarter than you thinks they should be.
Amen.
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Leviticus 20:13-
'If a man also lie with man, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. their blood shall be upon them.
Romans 1: 26-32
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections; for even their women did exchange the natural use for that which is against nature;
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working that which is unseemly, and recieving in themselves that recompense of their error which was fitting.....
32: Who, knowing the judgement of God, that they who commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same but have pleasure in them that do them.
homosexuality is a choice, it's a sin.
when you hear a pastor condemning gays, he is NOT judging. he is merely stating it is a sin.
every time i go to church, i am told i am a sinner. i know i'm a sinner. it is hard for me to hear that, but i am.
nowadays, no one wants to be told their lifestyle is wrong. they want to be accepted. so when a gay person hears a preacher tell them they are sinning, they take it out on them. just read columbus dude's post.
no, being gay does not hurt me. i don't care what a gay person does. just don't try to get me accept their lifestyle as OK. gay people will have to answer for their sins one day, just as i will.
their sins are no greater than mine, as mine is no greater than theirs.
we will all be judged the same one day.
Just like Debussey thought. You = a moron.
You subscribe to irrational beliefs instead of logic, and refunse to back up your beliefs with rational arguments.
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Just like Debussey thought. You = a moron.
You subscribe to irrational beliefs instead of logic, and refunse to back up your beliefs with rational arguments.
It's more like she believes in a work of fiction as being from some "Higher Power"... but you can't argue with Faith Debussey.
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John Hagee is a big fat gluttonous pig, and his opinions are less important to me than my toenail clippings...
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You do realize that the bible was just written by a bunch of people... they were not "special", they were not God... they were just people.
Of course that is true but the words that which they wrote are inspired of God. Very convenient of you to leave that out.
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Of course that is true but the words that which they wrote are inspired of God. Very convenient of you to leave that out.
Inspired by power... a way to keep the masses under control.
Very convenient to leave that out too.
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Inspired by power... a way to keep the masses under control.
Very convenient to leave that out too.
No, not any manmade power or demonic entity but God Almighty Himself, to teach, educate and bless the masses. See now that ye deceive no one here.
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No, not any manmade power or demonic entity but God Almighty Himself, to teach, educate and bless the masses. See now that ye deceive no one here.
Funny... no one I know has ever had God teach or educate them.
Has he taught you something directly and you're just keeping it to yourself?
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Funny... no one I know has ever had God teach or educate them.
Has he taught you something directly and you're just keeping it to yourself?
No one you know? If they are ungodly like you, then sure I believe you. As far as keeping it to myself, I am preaching God's Word to lost souls like you. So repent, lest ye perish from the way.
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no im saying the ridiculousness of what is considered wrong is whats wrong. gayness doesnt harm anyone, and its not a choice why would that be a problem, that is the opposite of loving everyone, and judging others(thats gods job not yours nor mine).
some would say there is no such thing as wrong or right only choices, while i disagree i tend to think that an all loving god wouldnt ban gayness nor some other stupid claims made by religions.
what do you mean by wrong, what is your definition of wrong?
in some parts of Africa its totally acceptable to have sex with 10 years old girls...So my question would be...What does God think of that?...If a society accepts it would god accept it also? And if 10 is too young, how about 13 or so on...
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in some parts of Africa its totally acceptable to have sex with 10 years old girls...So my question would be...What does God think of that?...If a society accepts it would god accept it also? And if 10 is too young, how about 13 or so on...
Nothing that defileth or worjketh abomination will have any part in the Kingdom of God.
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No one you know? If they are ungodly like you, then sure I believe you. As far as keeping it to myself, I am preaching God's Word to lost souls like you. So repent, lest ye perish from the way.
You're wasting your breath on me.
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Nothing that defileth or worjketh abomination will have any part in the Kingdom of God.
Man, the people in the Bible were having sex with 13 year olds... Those people didn't live anywhere close to the age we live now... Those girls were getting it way young.
Hell, even as recent as the 14th Century girls were getting married at 14 as a NORM.
They were very religious at this time and they all believed in God.
Where does the Bible have an age limit anyway?
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You're wasting your breath on me.
Why do yet not want to be saved? Why condemn yourself to the lake of fire?
:o
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/skull_and_bones_exposed.htm
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/signs_of_satan.htm
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This guy is so full of crap . He certainly does not believe in the stuff he preaches and what he makes his money off of. How could anyone take this guy seriously. Get a clue.
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Why do yet not want to be saved? Why condemn yourself to the lake of fire?
:o
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/skull_and_bones_exposed.htm
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/signs_of_satan.htm
This is your boy Hagee... the Meth taker and Gay prostitute solicitor... Why don't you worry about him, since he wants to be saved and all.
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Man, the people in the Bible were having sex with 13 year olds... Those people didn't live anywhere close to the age we live now... Those girls were getting it way young.
Hell, even as recent as the 14th Century girls were getting married at 14 as a NORM.
They were very religious at this time and they all believed in God.
Where does the Bible have an age limit anyway?
LIAR! Show me where people were having sex with thirteen-year-olds. And of course these people did not live anywhere close to the age that which we live but in the OPPOSITE way that which you intended in your wickedness....in Genesis, between Adam and Noah and I daresay beyond, the patriarchs were living for HUNDREDS OF YEARS, with a handful living over 900 years! How old was Noah when he began Japheth, Ham and Shem? 500 years old! Could not be MORE different then what you are saying!Show me your evidence that al these supposedly getting married in more recent times were truly Christian too? GET THEE FROM THIS MAN YE DEVIL! I REBUKE YOU IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!
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This is your boy Hagee... the Meth taker and Gay prostitute solicitor... Why don't you worry about him, since he wants to be saved and all.
Who said he was my boy? If he does evil, he shall be recompensed but that most certainly does not excuse your own wickedness.
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Who said he was my boy? If he does evil, he shall be recompensed but that most certainly does not excuse your own wickedness.
I rather enjoy being wicked... You must really like to type, because you're certainly not going to convert me...
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I rather enjoy being wicked... You must really like to type, because you're certainly not going to convert me...
I know you are wicked, and as God created the heavens, the Earth and the sea that you see today and live on/under, there will be wicked men. That is why Jesus Christ came, to save us all from sin and death and hel.
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I know you are wicked, and as God created the heavens, the Earth and the sea that you see today and live on/under, there will be wicked men. That is why Jesus Christ came, to save us all from sin and death and hel.
Actually, you don't "know" that I'm wicked... you "believe" I am wicked, because you "believe" that if someone doesn't believe in God, then he is wicked... See... that's the difference... I "believe" I'm not, and I "know" that it's a belief... you can not tell the difference.
You can't really show me a single historical document outside of the Bible that can show that Jesus even lived.
There is none... There are documents that show King David and his lineage, but not one document outside of the Bible that supports that Jesus was even a real person.
People like you who try to convert everyone are the type of people that give real Christians a bad wrap.
Hell, you don't even "know" me.... You just "think" you do.
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Actually, you don't "know" that I'm wicked... you "believe" I am wicked, because you "believe" that if someone doesn't believe in God, then he is wicked... See... that's the difference... I "believe" I'm not, and I "know" that it's a belief... you can not tell the difference.
You can't really show me a single historical document outside of the Bible that can show that Jesus even lived.
There is none... There are documents that show King David and his lineage, but not one document outside of the Bible that supports that Jesus was even a real person.
People like you who try to convert everyone are the type of people that give real Christians a bad wrap.
Hell, you don't even "know" me.... You just "think" you do.
Actually, because you deny the Christ, you are wicked. That is that. You believe in your own evil beliefs but I have The Word of God, which is fact and truth. If you wished to research the facts, you will find that every portal of truth supports the Holy Bible but you care to serve your master Satan (whether you realise it or not) only and not to uncover the truth. And as for your ludicrous claims that there is NOT ONE piece of evidence outside the Bible that claims Jesus lives, show me the proof. How can you be so sure? There are Roman sources, among others, that witness of Jesus Christ, as if the Word of God needs further corroboration. Not only do I think I know you, I do so because I DO know you. Sad but true. Now for once get off your rump and start reading the sites I posted. If you are so offended at the filth that you are, then be zealous therefore and repent. Believe on the name of The Lord Jesus Christ.
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Actually, because you deny the Christ, you are wicked. That is that. You believe in your own evil beliefs but I have The Word of God, which is fact and truth. If you wished to research the facts, you will find that every portal of truth supports the Holy Bible but you care to serve your master Satan (whether you realise it or not) only and not to uncover the truth. And as for your ludicrous claims that there is NOT ONE piece of evidence outside the Bible that claims Jesus lives, show me the proof. How can you be so sure? There are Roman sources, among others, that witness of Jesus Christ, as if the Word of God needs further corroboration. Not only do I think I know you, I do so because I DO know you. Sad but true. Now for once get off your rump and start reading the sites I posted. If you are so offended at the filth that you are, then be zealous therefore and repent. Believe on the name of The Lord Jesus Christ.
All of your sources are 300 years after his supposed birth.
Funny... there are records of his mother in archives and even some other people of the day... Paul and Matthew come to mind, but no other record of the GREATEST GUY IN THE HISTORY OF THE PLANET?
You are delusional... Might as well believe in the big invisible spaghetti monster in the sky.
Why read the sites you posted? You don't even read ancient History that is WELL documented aside from your "biblical" references.
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All of your sources are 300 years after his supposed birth.
Funny... there are records of his mother in archives and even some other people of the day... Paul and Matthew come to mind, but no other record of the GREATEST GUY IN THE HISTORY OF THE PLANET?
You are delusional... Might as well believe in the big invisible spaghetti monster in the sky.
Why read the sites you posted? You don't even read ancient History that is WELL documented aside from your "biblical" references.
Really? Show me these sources then? If there are records of his mother, and Paul And Matthew, obviously they testify of Jesus...and these testimonies are found in The NEW TESTAMENT. And someone who is AN UNBELIEVER in the tesimony of Jesus as yourself is someone who has been RICHLY DECEIVED...so those who are delusional in his eyes are obviously the furthest FROM delusion. As far as Ancient History that has been well-documented, that is exactly why The Word of God is true. I have read the Ancient History (meaning that that is FACTUAL), both in and apart from The Holy Bible, and both are one and the same.Your rebuttals actually SUPPORT what I say! Does the Roman Empire come to mind? What about Ancient Egypt? Or the Babylonian Empire? Stop finding excuses to obey God and do it already, TRUST SINCERELY AND TRUTHFULLY IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST! You are only HARMING AND DESTROYING your own soul otherwise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_the_Bible
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Really? Show me these sources then? If there are records of his mother, and Paul And Matthew, obviously they testify of Jesus...and these testimonies are found in The NEW TESTAMENT. And someone who is AN UNBELIEVER in the tesimony of Jesus as yourself is someone who has been RICHLY DECEIVED...so those who are delusional in his eyes are obviously the furthest FROM delusion. As far as Ancient History that has been well-documented, that is exactly why The Word of God is true. I have read the Ancient History (meaning that that is FACTUAL), both in and apart from The Holy Bible, and both are one and the same.Your rebuttals actually SUPPORT what I say! Does the Roman Empire come to mind? What about Ancient Egypt? Or the Babylonian Empire? Stop finding excuses to obey God and do it already, TRUST SINCERELY AND TRUTHFULLY IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST! You are only HARMING AND DESTROYING your own soul otherwise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_the_Bible
I can post links too!
Since I've done much more looking at history than apparently you have... let me show you a quick snippet.
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/christianity_nojesus.html
If you really want to feel enlightened... feel free to click some of those links on the bottom of THAT site... many more references.
If you also feel the notion, why not check out a book at the public library... They have a lot of resources to debate as well... many more so than your jesus-is-savior.com
Why does Jesus need a .com address anyway... Isn't that saved for "Commercial" entities?
Oh wait... you're right.
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This is your boy Hagee... the Meth taker and Gay prostitute solicitor... Why don't you worry about him, since he wants to be saved and all.
The guy, who got popped for that, was HAGGARD, not Hagee.