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I have a new client who wants to loose weight. I have never worked with a diabetic before and want to help him slim down. He is about 30 lbs overweight and does 10+10+10+20 iu's a day. I need serious responses from disgusted, gh15 , princess l , and any insulin dependent bb who dieted for a show. I consider this a serious issue and a serious inquiry and would appreciate any input . I'll be posting more details about the guy like weight , what I plan to do with him and anything else needed. If it is possible, i'd like this to be a sticky since I think a lot of people diabetics or not could benefit from it. Thanx , Sebastian.
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I assume he is on bodybuilding drugs? Remember that diabetics are more susceptible to cardiovascular damage... something to keep in mind with the bb drugs.
Other than that he simply has to reduce his calories to lose weight, same as anyone else.
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I assume he is on bodybuilding drugs? Remember that diabetics are more susceptible to cardiovascular damage... something to keep in mind with the bb drugs.
Other than that he simply has to reduce his calories to lose weight, same as anyone else.
He has never been on drugs and never will. He is a client of mine.
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I am a type 1 diabetic as well....... tell him to reduce his carbohydrates, but to do this his insulin will also have to be cut..... it is a difficult balance trying to keep blood glucose levels up and insulin levels down when dieting..... is he on the insulin pump or injections??? if he is on the pump it will be much easier as basal rates can be cut while doing cardio...... make sure you don't suggest clen as it can be dangerous for diabetics.... low fat is also a good start as sometimes the ability to cut carbs is not there
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IFBB Fitness Pro Kim Seelet is diabetic, She's written a good deal about it and always very helpful. Shoot her an email on her web site: http://www.kimseeley.com
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I feel like the standard getbig advice, "up the dosage", wouldn't be appropriate here.
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I have a new client who wants to loose weight. I have never worked with a diabetic before and want to help him slim down. He is about 30 lbs overweight and does 10+10+10+20 iu's a day. I need serious responses from disgusted, gh15 , princess l , and any insulin dependent bb who dieted for a show. I consider this a serious issue and a serious inquiry and would appreciate any input . I'll be posting more details about the guy like weight , what I plan to do with him and anything else needed. If it is possible, i'd like this to be a sticky since I think a lot of people diabetics or not could benefit from it. Thanx , Sebastian.
OMG A DIABETIC HAS PUT HIMSELF IN YOUR HANDS AND YOU HAVE TO COME TO GETBIG FOR ADVICE!!!!!!
HE HAS SIGNED HIS DEATH WARRANT!! WHY ARE YOU TRAINING PEOPLE WHEN YOU ARE CLEARLY A RETARD!!!!
LMAO A TRAINER ASKING HERE FOR ADVICE!!
TA TA
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OMG A DIABETIC HAS PUT HIMSELF IN YOUR HANDS AND YOU HAVE TO COME TO GETBIG FOR ADVICE!!!!!!
HE HAS SIGNED HIS DEATH WARRANT!! WHY ARE YOU TRAINING PEOPLE WHEN YOU ARE CLEARLY A RETARD!!!!
LMAO A TRAINER ASKING HERE FOR ADVICE!!
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not is that fair to Sevatese..
after all only an expert would recommend t3/clen to his girlfriend in order to drop 10lbs...right?
here is our tennis player turned personal trainer in his full glory...keep in mind that this is after admitting to cycling test..he has to be an expert at something...I don't know what though
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OMG A DIABETIC HAS PUT HIMSELF IN YOUR HANDS AND YOU HAVE TO COME TO GETBIG FOR ADVICE!!!!!!
HE HAS SIGNED HIS DEATH WARRANT!! WHY ARE YOU TRAINING PEOPLE WHEN YOU ARE CLEARLY A RETARD!!!!
LMAO A TRAINER ASKING HERE FOR ADVICE!!
TA TA
hahahahahah was thinking the same -- what the fvck is wrong with people?
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sevastase will probably recommend a t3\insuln\dnp\clen\eca cycle for a person with diabities ::)
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He will probably recommend to up the insulin dosage 100% he is so stupid.
The picture of him posted earlier tells us all we need to know about this guy!
ta ta
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I have worked with plenty of type 2 but not many type 1. Example. When I owned my gym an older lady who was friends with my Mom joined. She was about 40 pounds overweight and smoked and could barley walk. Took about 30iu of insulin a day. She also needed oxygen thru out the day. I put her on a very low carb diet. One of the meals was a huge salad with a lot of good greens. I made sure she took vitamins to get all of her nutrients that she needed. Anyway, After about 6 weeks she was down 30 pounds, stopped smoking an was walking on a treadmill (not for weight loss ;D) about 30 min. She was no longer on any insulin either. Her Dr told her to keep on doing whatever it was that she was doing as her bloodwork was much improved. She eventually quit the gym. I saw her in a store about 6 months later. She was back to smoking and in a wheel chair and back on oxygen. She looked like she had gained the weight back too. About a year later she was dead. What's the old saying? You can lead a horse to water.
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Lean meats, plenty of veggies and essential fats. A good multi vitamin would be good too.
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I had a male diabetic client when I was still actively training clients at the former Gold's Gym (now Planet Fagness). He came to me at 20-30 lbs. overweight, 50 year old BM. After several weeks of normal training, he began to work on his diet more and do cardio on the treadmill, elliptical and bike at low intensity. I don't remember the exact dosages as this was 3 years ago, but he was taking two shots a day. He wanted to take supplements so put him on ON Whey, Trac creatine and a diabetic multivitamin pak from GNC all AFTER having his DR. SIGN OFF ON IT. He gained some solid muscle and leaned out considerably over the period of months that I trained him and by his DR's DIRECTION was able to reduce his iu's considerably.
So basically, you can train your client per normal, just let the DR. ADJUST THE INSULIN as needed and approve any and all supplementation you may want to suggest. Always have something on hand in case he were to crash as well, in our gym it was peanut M&M's, haha...
i often wonder what happened to old Mr. Wendell...
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OMG A DIABETIC HAS PUT HIMSELF IN YOUR HANDS AND YOU HAVE TO COME TO GETBIG FOR ADVICE!!!!!!
HE HAS SIGNED HIS DEATH WARRANT!! WHY ARE YOU TRAINING PEOPLE WHEN YOU ARE CLEARLY A RETARD!!!!
LMAO A TRAINER ASKING HERE FOR ADVICE!!
TA TA
IT's the first time I train a diabetic and I'm not ashamed to ask for help. I am learning too.
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I have worked with plenty of type 2 but not many type 1. Example. When I owned my gym an older lady who was friends with my Mom joined. She was about 40 pounds overweight and smoked and could barley walk. Took about 30iu of insulin a day. She also needed oxygen thru out the day. I put her on a very low carb diet. One of the meals was a huge salad with a lot of good greens. I made sure she took vitamins to get all of her nutrients that she needed. Anyway, After about 6 weeks she was down 30 pounds, stopped smoking an was walking on a treadmill (not for weight loss ;D) about 30 min. She was no longer on any insulin either. Her Dr told her to keep on doing whatever it was that she was doing as her bloodwork was much improved. She eventually quit the gym. I saw her in a store about 6 months later. She was back to smoking and in a wheel chair and back on oxygen. She looked like she had gained the weight back too. About a year later she was dead. What's the old saying? You can lead a horse to water.
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Lean meats, plenty of veggies and essential fats. A good multi vitamin would be good too.
I'll be talking to the doctor he sees and detail him what i'm planning to do with him. I'll let her decide on his insulin adjustements and basically I was a bit scared to reduce his carbs.
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IT's the first time I train a diabetic and I'm not ashamed to ask for help. I am learning too.
Yes but you clearly should not be doing it if you do not have the expertise, you should be studying the topic or shadowing someone else who does know
ta ta
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Yes but you clearly should not be doing it if you do not have the expertise, you should be studying the topic or shadowing someone else who does know
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3 people that know how to properly train someone in my hometown. I'm one of them. none of the other 2 trained any diabetics with one exception , grossly overweight lady who sticks with it for a while, not succesfull, gets cataract. So I gotta ask the experts. It will be a learning expirience as well.
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Yes but you clearly should not be doing it if you do not have the expertise, you should be studying the topic or shadowing someone else who does know
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There is no expertise involved. Diabetics know who to adjust their insulin according to how they eat. It is much easier to use when you are eating clean than dealing with the unpredictableness of eating tons of sugar and drinking alcohol. The Dr is only going to tell him or her that same thing I have just said. To use the glucometer and go from there.
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My Mother has Diabetes Type 1 and training someone with this condition when you simply know nothing as Sevatase does could cause major problems.
If you have to come here to learn about it then I'm sorry but thats fucked up.
We have Mr.Nasa priciples spouting off giving false information etc, for everyone like you who has sound advice there 10 other telling us shit.
You should not be training someone if you know so little you have to come here!! Period.
ta ta
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Yes but you clearly should not be doing it if you do not have the expertise, you should be studying the topic or shadowing someone else who does know
ta ta
This is how u get the expertise...u train someone with diabetes. ;)
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This is how u get the expertise...u train someone with diabetes. ;)
Did you mention if they are type 1 or 2?
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This is how u get the expertise...u train someone with diabetes. ;)
yes fair enough but what happens if the test dummy gets fucked up?
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No , he did not. I met with him once and the only thing he mentioned was that he does 10+10+10+20(SLOWRELEASE)IU'S A DAY.
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yes fair enough but what happens if the test dummy gets fucked up?
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Don't worry, he won't. The only thing that will happen is the fact that he will look nice and in shape.
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Don't worry, he won't. The only thing that will happen is the fact that he will look nice and in shape.
ta ta man is right. Tell this guy to keep eating crap food so he won't have to adjust his insulin. ::)
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There is no expertise involved. Diabetics know who to adjust their insulin according to how they eat. It is much easier to use when you are eating clean than dealing with the unpredictableness of eating tons of sugar and drinking alcohol. The Dr is only going to tell him or her that same thing I have just said. To use the glucometer and go from there.
it's not as easy as that with some though. some diabetics are thier own worst enemy. for instance, my father-in-law recently landed himself in the hospital in the critical care unit because he let himself get out of control with his diet. He routinely drinks almost a gallon of milk a day, eats pastries from the freezer and his only exercise is walking to the bathroom, kitchen and up the stairs to bed. he has other health conditions too that have been factors, he has a pacemaker, high blood pressure, etc. The problems started with a heart attack at age 37 while mountain climbing. He's now 60 yrs. old. I think the early heart attack was due to agent orange or something he inhaled in Vietnam.
Recently, he developed a wound on his heel that he couldn't see and it got infected, he felt it one day when he put his finger in it and the dr. put him on antibiotics but they ran out before the next scheduled apt. set for Friday, on Thurs. he crashed and burned and was rushed to the hospital and had be pumped full of meds to get his BP back up, his heart rate back down, etc. the only way he's going to live is to control his diet but he has to have the willpower to do so. His wife won't tell him what to do because she figures, hey, he's an adult. on a good note, he's controlled his blood sugar for the last couple of weeks and the wound is healing but there's no guarantee that he won't go back to his old habits. Diabetics may know to adjust their insulin according to their food intake, but not all actually do it.
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sevatase, you are a usless fuck stick, and worse you are putting people lives at risk.
why don't you go and model some tight pants for some male clientele..euro fag wannabe
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I get a big kick out of helping someone loose weight and look and feel healthy. I really feel good about it.
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it's not as easy as that with some though. some diabetics are thier own worst enemy. for instance, my father-in-law recently landed himself in the hospital in the critical care unit because he let himself get out of control with his diet. He routinely drinks almost a gallon of milk a day, eats pastries from the freezer and his only exercise is walking to the bathroom, kitchen and up the stairs to bed. he has other health conditions too that have been factors, he has a pacemaker, high blood pressure, etc. The problems started with a heart attack at age 37 while mountain climbing. He's now 60 yrs. old. I think the early heart attack was due to agent orange or something he inhaled in Vietnam.
Recently, he developed a wound on his heel that he couldn't see and it got infected, he felt it one day when he put his finger in it and the dr. put him on antibiotics but they ran out before the next scheduled apt. set for Friday, on Thurs. he crashed and burned and was rushed to the hospital and had be pumped full of meds to get his BP back up, his heart rate back down, etc. the only way he's going to live is to control his diet but he has to have the willpower to do so. His wife won't tell him what to do because she figures, hey, he's an adult. on a good note, he's controlled his blood sugar for the last couple of weeks and the wound is healing but there's no guarantee that he won't go back to his old habits. Diabetics may know to adjust their insulin according to their food intake, but some actually do it.
Goes back to what I said before that you can lead a horse to water. Unfortunatley most people don't give two shits about their health. Hope your FIL comes out OK.
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Goes back to what I said before that you can lead a horse to water. Unfortunatley most people don't give two shits about their health. Hope your FIL comes out OK.
thanks bro, and i think you're right, he's all but given up. he's on disability for the heart problems so he probably figures, what the hell, at least i can eat what i want.
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Meh. Years ago, I got drunk under the table by a diabetic. Man, that girl could really put'em away.
/not kidding. felt like a puss when i came to. :-\
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What's the old saying? You can lead a horse to water.
I always thought it was "You can lead a swimmer to a pair of boxers, but they will always seek the briefs"
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I have worked with plenty of type 2 but not many type 1. Example. When I owned my gym an older lady who was friends with my Mom joined. She was about 40 pounds overweight and smoked and could barley walk. Took about 30iu of insulin a day. She also needed oxygen thru out the day. I put her on a very low carb diet. One of the meals was a huge salad with a lot of good greens. I made sure she took vitamins to get all of her nutrients that she needed. Anyway, After about 6 weeks she was down 30 pounds, stopped smoking an was walking on a treadmill (not for weight loss ;D) about 30 min. She was no longer on any insulin either. Her Dr told her to keep on doing whatever it was that she was doing as her bloodwork was much improved. She eventually quit the gym. I saw her in a store about 6 months later. She was back to smoking and in a wheel chair and back on oxygen. She looked like she had gained the weight back too. About a year later she was dead. What's the old saying? You can lead a horse to water.
In short
Lean meats, plenty of veggies and essential fats. A good multi vitamin would be good too.
Unreal.
My step-dad is a diabetic. He doesn't take care of himself for shit. Fucking idiot..........
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Hey Disgusted , my guy is a type 1 diabetic. Here is his diet : meal 1 : 250ml of fat free milk + 2 slices of whole wheat bread . meal 2 : 200 g fat free yogurt + 50 g oats . meal 3 : grilled chicken + 100g rice + salad . meal 3 : 150 g fat free yogurt + 1 mandarin . meal 4 : steak + salad + 2 slices of whole wheat bread . meal 5 : 250 ml fat free milk.
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thanks bro, and i think you're right, he's all but given up. he's on disability for the heart problems so he probably figures, what the hell, at least i can eat what i want.
I can understand older people eating what they want. Who the fck wants to live to 100 proped up in a chair eating skinless chicken and white rice. It makes me laugh to see these skinny ass personal trainers that haven't lived a life yet tell older people they gotta eat better and recommend they eat tuna, water and broccoli. What a bunch of tools.
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if he is a client of spermatase...he will soon be on loads of drugs.
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I would introduce him to my friends Ben&Jerry.