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I talked to someone who just returned from Iraq and one of the interesting things we discussed was violence being carried out by the insurgents. They are blowing up and killing men, women, children, schools, mosques, residential neighborhoods, etc.. Nothing is off limits. Just a random killing of unarmed civilians. No rules of engagement whatsoever. I am fairly certain the inflated numbers of civilian casualties do not segregate Iraqi civilians killed by collateral damage from U.S. fire as opposed to the murder of civilians by insurgents.
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I talked to someone who just returned from Iraq and one of the interesting things we discussed was violence being carried out by the insurgents. They are blowing up and killing men, women, children, schools, mosques, residential neighborhoods, etc.. Nothing is off limits. Just a random killing of unarmed civilians. No rules of engagement whatsoever. I am fairly certain the inflated numbers of civilian casualties do not segregate Iraqi civilians killed by collateral damage from U.S. fire as opposed to the murder of civilians by insurgents.
No doubt about it. Never was as far as i was concerned. I knew only a certain percentage of people were kiilled due to collateral damage from the US. The vast majority of people who are dying are from the instability caused by the incompetent handling of the US invasion.
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I agree with this!
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I talked to someone who just returned from Iraq and one of the interesting things we discussed was violence being carried out by the insurgents. They are blowing up and killing men, women, children, schools, mosques, residential neighborhoods, etc.. Nothing is off limits. Just a random killing of unarmed civilians. No rules of engagement whatsoever. I am fairly certain the inflated numbers of civilian casualties do not segregate Iraqi civilians killed by collateral damage from U.S. fire as opposed to the murder of civilians by insurgents.
Fuckin' savages... When will they learn that their shitty religion wont help them and nor will acting like savages.. >:(
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I talked to someone who just returned from Iraq and one of the interesting things we discussed was violence being carried out by the insurgents. They are blowing up and killing men, women, children, schools, mosques, residential neighborhoods, etc.. Nothing is off limits. Just a random killing of unarmed civilians. No rules of engagement whatsoever. I am fairly certain the inflated numbers of civilian casualties do not segregate Iraqi civilians killed by collateral damage from U.S. fire as opposed to the murder of civilians by insurgents.
If I walk into a prison, unlock every cell, take away every corrections officers' weapon, then lock everyone inside indefinitely, what will happen?
3000 prisoners will quickly kill the 80 police workers, then begin killing one another until they establish a sort of mini-govt/pecking order.
Should "I" be blamed at all for those 80 dead guards and hundreds of dead inmates? I didn't physically kill anyone. I mean, I *did* put them in a position where death was the most likely outcome, almost to a certainly.
If you see any guilt in me doing this, you should see fault in what the US did by destabilizing their civil defense, destroying the insfrastructure, and then stepping back and watching the events ensue.
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If I walk into a prison, unlock every cell, take away every corrections officers' weapon, then lock everyone inside indefinitely, what will happen?
3000 prisoners will quickly kill the 80 police workers, then begin killing one another until they establish a sort of mini-govt/pecking order.
Should "I" be blamed at all for those 80 dead guards and hundreds of dead inmates? I didn't physically kill anyone. I mean, I *did* put them in a position where death was the most likely outcome, almost to a certainly.
If you see any guilt in me doing this, you should see fault in what the US did by destabilizing their civil defense, destroying the insfrastructure, and then stepping back and watching the events ensue.
I am shocked, shocked I tell you that 240 dropped in with some absurd, unrealistic hypothetical. I suspect when you allow too much willful suspension of disbelief you leave your mind open to all sorts of unreasonable scenarios. It probably becomes harder to distinguish between truth and fantasy. :-\
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I am shocked, shocked I tell you that 240 dropped in with some absurd, unrealistic hypothetical. I suspect when you allow too much willful suspension of disbelief you leave your mind open to all sorts of unreasonable scenarios. It probably becomes harder to distinguish between truth and fantasy. :-\
You don't understand the correlation.
Can someone please explain this to Beach Bum?
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You don't understand the correlation.
Can someone please explain this to Beach Bum?
Why is your usual port of call during argument to inform the opposing party that they don't 'understand'? Is it that you can't explain, or is it that you don't either?
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Why is your usual port of call during argument to inform the opposing party that they don't 'understand'? Is it that you can't explain, or is it that you don't either?
Beach bum said my example was unreasonable.
he didn't understand. The US faciliatated the civil war by removing all societal controls like police and military. Much like the guy who removes guard power and locks everyone in the jail.
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Why is your usual port of call during argument to inform the opposing party that they don't 'understand'? Is it that you can't explain, or is it that you don't either?
Ding! Correct. :)
BTW 240, you cannot walk into a prison and unlock every cell. That's a stupid hypothetical.
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Beach bum said my example was unreasonable.
he didn't understand. The US faciliatated the civil war by removing all societal controls like police and military. Much like the guy who removes guard power and locks everyone in the jail.
Uh huh, how about you understand that simply because someone's opinion differs from yours, it does not necessarily indicate a lack of understanding of the issue.
This will improve the validity of your rebuttals.
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I talked to someone who just returned from Iraq and one of the interesting things we discussed was violence being carried out by the insurgents. They are blowing up and killing men, women, children, schools, mosques, residential neighborhoods, etc.. Nothing is off limits. Just a random killing of unarmed civilians. No rules of engagement whatsoever. I am fairly certain the inflated numbers of civilian casualties do not segregate Iraqi civilians killed by collateral damage from U.S. fire as opposed to the murder of civilians by insurgents.
dont you for a second think Israel aint taking advantage of this... :-\
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dont you for a second think Israel aint taking advantage of this... :-\
Care to elaborate?
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and for people on their high horses..
remember when 2 whities beat a black dood ..what ws it..rodney king..what happened in the US??..how many riots over just 1 beating...
now that ws juust 1 beating..
you go blow up a fucking country ..create anarchy and then sit back and dare say..oo those savages... ::)
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Care to elaborate?
no...its clear enough..i rarely spoon feed even when i'm getting paid for it....
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no...its clear enough..i rarely spoon feed even when i'm getting paid for it....
Oh okay, I just thought you might have had something interesting to add.
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Oh okay, I just thought you might have had something interesting to add.
He did make a valid point. Would the insurgents be there if the US hadn't invaded in the first place? Would they still go about blowing shit up if the US pulled out?
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240 comparision might be bad, but at it's root it's accurate.
Our actions, deliberate or by accident, destabilized a country. Now it's not safe to even take your kids to the local market. People are dying every day and they live in fear. the future for the country looks bleak. If we stay we drain billions and lose more lives, if we go, we risk losing the entire country to Iran.
BUSH really fucccccked us up here with his decsion and our representatives in both parties voted for it.
Dam them all.
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He did make a valid point. Would the insurgents be there if the US hadn't invaded in the first place? Would they still go about blowing shit up if the US pulled out?
Easy, Tiger. Notice I said 'add', I was simply trying to draw out some more opinion from him.
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Beach Bum,
you're a fucking idiot.
HTH.
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If we stay we drain billions and lose more lives, if we go, we risk losing the entire country to Iran.
BUSH really fucccccked us up here with his decsion and our representatives in both parties voted for it.
Dam them all.
Let Iraq go to Iran.. Why is that even an issue? First of all, would Iran do anything that US isn't alreay doing? Second, they're both Shia dominant countries. If anything, Iran would bring stability and peace to Iraq. But the US doesn't want that, they don't want peace and sharing of resources between Iraq and Iran. Now that Saddam is gone, leaving Iraq would mean the country falling under Iranian influence.
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Beach Bum,
you're a fucking idiot.
HTH.
:-* LOL. Hey 240 do you like Frank Sinatra? I like the song "I've Got You Under My Skin." A classic. ;D
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:-* LOL. Hey 240 do you like Frank Sinatra? I like the song "I've Got You Under My Skin." A classic. ;D
Haha, well handled. C'mon Rob, you're better than name-calling, no matter how much BB might annoy you.
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Let Iraq go to Iran.. Why is that even an issue? First of all, would Iran do anything that US isn't alreay doing? Second, they're both Shia dominant countries. If anything, Iran would bring stability and peace to Iraq. But the US doesn't want that, they don't want peace and sharing of resources between Iraq and Iran. Now that Saddam is gone, leaving Iraq would mean the country falling under Iranian influence.
What will happen is Iran will become the dominant power in that region. They will have a large stake in the oil resources to fuel their economy and defense spending. It's not a good thing long term even without their nut job leadership.
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What does "HTH" mean?
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I tried. Beach Bum is refusing to answer questions, and seriously, I've ignored his insults long enough.
Plus, seeing as he has singlehandedly redefined his real-life on getbig just to dispel the 9/11 argument, I think he's either a really stupid person, or something is wrong with him. Either way, he's back on the no-talk list. He's just a waste of time.
ps:what're you doing up? You've already been posting for the past few hours already, and it's 5 only am in Hawaii. Don't you have school to teach today?
Beach Bum used to be a guy who dropped out of school at 17 to raise a family. I had to explain to him what an MBA was, as he thought it was a mail order degree.
He was confronted with the accusation he didn't understand the history of self-attacks or the statistics behind the anomalies of the 2004 Ohio and Florida election fiascos.
So, one day he starts posting that he's a college professor who teaches history. his class is full of MBA students and none of them believe in the 911 story.
I guess he simply adopted revisionist history. I wonder which party he got that idea from?
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I tried. Beach Bum is refusing to answer questions, and seriously, I've ignored his insults long enough.
Plus, seeing as he has singlehandedly redefined his real-life on getbig just to dispel the 9/11 argument, I think he's either a really stupid person, or something is wrong with him. Either way, he's back on the no-talk list. He's just a waste of time.
Beach Bum used to be a guy who dropped out of school at 17 to raise a family. I had to explain to him what an MBA was, as he thought it was a mail order degree.
He was confronted with the accusation he didn't understand the history of self-attacks or the statistics behind the anomalies of the 2004 Ohio and Florida election fiascos.
So, one day he starts posting that he's a college professor who teaches history. his class is full of MBA students and none of them believe in the 911 story.
I guess he simply adopted revisionist history. I wonder which party he got that idea from?
Note to self: Stay off Rob's list.
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Easy, Tiger. Notice I said 'add', I was simply trying to draw out some more opinion from him.
i simply dont know..i mean there is nothing to elaborate...i can theorize on how the zionists would take this opportunity to kill as many muslims as possible...but its a theory..
i just wanted everyone to think
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What does "HTH" mean?
HTH = Hope that helps.
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thanks....
did it help? ;D
P.S.: you know, you yank 240's cord way too much. I'm starting to think you do it on purpose ;) (i actually know you have been doing on purpose for quite some time)
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I tried. Beach Bum is refusing to answer questions, and seriously, I've ignored his insults long enough.
Plus, seeing as he has singlehandedly redefined his real-life on getbig just to dispel the 9/11 argument, I think he's either a really stupid person, or something is wrong with him. Either way, he's back on the no-talk list. He's just a waste of time.
Beach Bum used to be a guy who dropped out of school at 17 to raise a family. I had to explain to him what an MBA was, as he thought it was a mail order degree.
He was confronted with the accusation he didn't understand the history of self-attacks or the statistics behind the anomalies of the 2004 Ohio and Florida election fiascos.
So, one day he starts posting that he's a college professor who teaches history. his class is full of MBA students and none of them believe in the 911 story.
I guess he simply adopted revisionist history. I wonder which party he got that idea from?
240 do you have Tourette syndrome?
"Tourette's was once considered a rare and bizarre syndrome, most often associated with the exclamation of obscene words or socially inappropriate and derogatory remarks (coprolalia)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourette_syndrome
You should check this out mang.
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ps:what're you doing up? You've already been posting for the past few hours already, and it's 5 only am in Hawaii. Don't you have school to teach today?
Beach Bum used to be a guy who dropped out of school at 17 to raise a family. I had to explain to him what an MBA was, as he thought it was a mail order degree.
He was confronted with the accusation he didn't understand the history of self-attacks or the statistics behind the anomalies of the 2004 Ohio and Florida election fiascos.
So, one day he starts posting that he's a college professor who teaches history. his class is full of MBA students and none of them believe in the 911 story.
I guess he simply adopted revisionist history. I wonder which party he got that idea from?
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Beach Bum used to be a guy who dropped out of school at 17 to raise a family. I had to explain to him what an MBA was, as he thought it was a mail order degree.
He was confronted with the accusation he didn't understand the history of self-attacks or the statistics behind the anomalies of the 2004 Ohio and Florida election fiascos.
So, one day he starts posting that he's a college professor who teaches history. his class is full of MBA students and none of them believe in the 911 story.
I guess he simply adopted revisionist history. I wonder which party he got that idea from?
How was the MBA course, anyway? I've considered doing one myself, but man it's expensive!
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Beach Bum used to be a guy who dropped out of school at 17 to raise a family. I had to explain to him what an MBA was, as he thought it was a mail order degree.
He was confronted with the accusation he didn't understand the history of self-attacks or the statistics behind the anomalies of the 2004 Ohio and Florida election fiascos.
So, one day he starts posting that he's a college professor who teaches history. his class is full of MBA students and none of them believe in the 911 story.
I guess he simply adopted revisionist history. I wonder which party he got that idea from?
The Ministry of Truth
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thanks....
did it help? ;D
P.S.: you know, you yank 240's cord way too much. I'm starting to think you do it on purpose ;) (i actually know you have been doing on purpose for quite some time)
Dang. Soon as I post my Tourette syndrome question you post this. :-\
O.K. I'm a little guilty. If you notice, I'm usually just responding to some dumb comment. I rarely, if ever, initiate this stuff. But I do admit it can be very entertaining. ;D He cannot carry on a rational debate for too long without lashing out at people (hence my Tourette syndrome question).
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How was the MBA course, anyway? I've considered doing one myself, but man it's expensive!
MBA is a masters in business. I completed mine a year ago. It's 60 grad level credit hours in a mix of accounting, economics, finance, marketing, and management, with a strong emphasis on globalization and future trends (lots of statistics, logistical studies, op mgmt).
Beach Bum thought it was an associate level (year 1 and 2 of college) thing you got by the mail.
I have a hard time believing that a college professor (which he claims to be) wouldn't understand an MBA. Of course, the next week, he suddenly has a whole class full of them, and they all mock 911.
Yep.
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;D
240: on January 14, 2007, 08:52:49 AM » Quote
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"my woman already knows. if i ever make a fortune, i'll always make sure she and the babies are covered if we split.
but if we ever split and she tries to screw me in court, well, hello scott peterson. "
Scott Lee Peterson (born 24 October 1972 in San Diego, California) is a former agriculture chemical salesman convicted of the murder of his pregnant wife, Laci Peterson. His case dominated the American media for many weeks. On March 16, 2005, Peterson was sentenced to death and currently resides on death row in San Quentin State Prison.
On April 14, the body of a male fetus, with umbilical cord still attached, washed ashore at the San Francisco Bay. The next day, a partial female torso missing its hands, feet, and head washed ashore in the same area. The bodies were later identified as Laci and Conner Peterson. Autopsies were performed, but due to decomposition the specific cause of death was never determined. Prosecutors theorized that Laci may have been suffocated or strangled in the couple's home. The Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) and Modesto Police Department performed forensic searches of the couple's home, Scott's truck, the tool box in the back of his truck, his warehouse and his boat. They found only one piece of forensic evidence, a single hair.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Peterson
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MBA is a masters in business. I completed mine a year ago. It's 60 grad level credit hours in a mix of accounting, economics, finance, marketing, and management, with a strong emphasis on globalization and future trends (lots of statistics, logistical studies, op mgmt).
Beach Bum thought it was an associate level (year 1 and 2 of college) thing you got by the mail.
I have a hard time believing that a college professor (which he claims to be) wouldn't understand an MBA. Of course, the next week, he suddenly has a whole class full of them, and they all mock 911.
Yep.
Haha, I asked how it was - not what it is - Rob. I have my degree in Economics and Finance, and was just curious as to how you felt the MBA programme was conducted.
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Haha, I asked how it was - not what it is - Rob. I have my degree in Economics and Finance, and was just curious as to how you felt the MBA programme was conducted.
It was in its 3rd year, and they got the ASCB (?) accredation that year (only 1/4 of American Business schools have it). The program was good. The order was a little funky - I would learn things out of order at parts. But since graduating, I have (until recently) only worked a few hours a day while doing family, gym, band, and other interests, and i'm making more than I ever did as a teacher. The program definitely gave me the ability to smell a sustainable competitive advantage in nearly every room I enter.
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It was in its 3rd year, and they got the ASCB (?) accredation that year (only 1/4 of American Business schools have it). The program was good. The order was a little funky - I would learn things out of order at parts. But since graduating, I have (until recently) only worked a few hours a day while doing family, gym, band, and other interests, and i'm making more than I ever did as a teacher. The program definitely gave me the ability to smell a sustainable competitive advantage in nearly every room I enter.
Ah, excellent. How's the band?
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very good. playing about 8 times a month.
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very good. playing about 8 times a month.
What's your inspiration?
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anyone else here smell what i'm smelling? ;D
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dunno. i jus tlike to jump around and play decent bass. i already outgrew the rock star dream, and i sure never wanna try to be Flea.
I always like Duff from Guns N Roses best. Terrible bassist, but cool as shit.
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anyone else here smell what i'm smelling? ;D
Is it Teen Spirit?
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To think we're not responsible for this is crazy.
The blood is on everyone who supported the wars hands, including my own. :-\
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To think we're not responsible for this is crazy.
The blood is on everyone who supported the wars hands, including my own. :-\
Me too.
It's odd now... people used WMD to base their assessment for the need to invade iraq. now that we know WMD was a lie, those of us wish a conscience realize "Shit, we invaded and hundreds of thousands are dead because of the set of events we started."
Others just change their rationale for why they support the war. Instead of WMD, now it's democracy. I wonder, did those people even need a reason to begin with?
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Me too.
It's odd now... people used WMD to base their assessment for the need to invade iraq. now that we know WMD was a lie, those of us wish a conscience realize "Shit, we invaded and hundreds of thousands are dead because of the set of events we started."
Yes, but most had no choice but to buy Bush's bullshit. Those who opposed military action in Iraq were basically ruined. Just take a look at the Dixychicks.. They were being called traitors left, right and their careers took a nose dive. Kofi Annan also opposed action in Iraq and he was shown as some loony, when I think he one of the few who knew what was actually going on.
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More murder of innocent civilians. >:(
Suicide bombers kill 45 in market attack
POSTED: 1:38 p.m. EST, February 1, 2007
Story Highlights• NEW: 45 killed when suicide bombers attack market
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Two suicide bombers blew themselves up Thursday in a crowded outdoor market in a Shiite city south of Baghdad, killing 45 people and wounding 150, police said.
The attackers walked into the Maktabat outdoor market in the center of Hilla, 60 miles south of Baghdad, about 6 p.m. as shoppers were buying food for their evening meals. Police thought one of the men appeared suspicious and stopped him, according to police.
The bomber detonated his explosives and was followed by the second attacker, who was walking behind him, police added.
Hilla was the scene of one of the deadliest attacks in the war, when a suicide car bomber killed 125 people on February 28, 2005.
Sectarian violence continued in Baghdad on Thursday, with bombings and mortar attacks killing at least 17 people.
A parked car bomb exploding at a bus stop near a busy shopping area around Rusafi Square on Rashid Street in central Baghdad, killing six people and wounding 12, police said.
A bomb also ripped the roof off a minibus in the predominantly Shiite neighborhood of Karradah, another popular shopping area, killing six people and wounding eight, police said.
The bombings came hours after mortar rounds slammed into the Sunni neighborhood of Azamiyah for the third day in a row, killing at least five people and wounding 12, hospital and police officials said.
The mortars struck about a kilometer from the revered Sunni Abu Hanifa mosque. . . .
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/01/iraq.ap/index.html
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animals. we need to pull our men out of the cities and let the police lay down the law. we guard the borders which stops the iran/syria/jihadist influx, and we can guard the oil pipeline they keep blowing up.
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hahahahaha, this makes me laugh, we go in there and attack their country and we wonder why they hate and actually fight back.
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hahahahaha, this makes me laugh, we go in there and attack their country and we wonder why they hate and actually fight back.
Except the issue here is Iraqis killing fellow unarmed Iraqis, including women and children.
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hahahahaha, this makes me laugh, we go in there and attack their country and we wonder why they hate and actually fight back.
Who are 'they' exactly? Iraqis in general - or the terrorists that are slaughtering innocent men, women and children? I'd say the millions of Iraqis that participated in their recent elections (despite the terror) would argue with your very limited interpretation and 'us' versus 'them' mentality.
Is it any coincidence you sound very familiar to True Adonis?
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Who are 'they' exactly? Iraqis in general - or the terrorists that are slaughtering innocent men, women and children? I'd say the millions of Iraqis that participated in their recent elections (despite the terror) would argue with your very limited interpretation and 'us' versus 'them' mentality.
Is it any coincidence you sound very familiar to True Adonis?
we had no reason to go in there in the first place you neo conservative knuckle dragger, that country was way better and more stable under Saddam's rule, he kept the Sunnis and Shiites divided and kept the peace, the brutality was saved for people who got out of line.
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we had no reason to go in there in the first place you neo conservative knuckle dragger, that country was way better and more stable under Saddam's rule, he kept the Sunnis and Shiites divided and kept the peace, the brutality was saved for people who got out of line.
Ouch, such inaccurate bile! Now this one really sounds like Adonis, doesn't it? Perhaps you should do a better job of concealing it.