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One must always keep in mind that this is only as much of the story as got uncovered and reported through big-money corporate journalism that – as Dan Rather admitted – was rampantly self-censoring during this period. So it seems fair to assume that the full truth would be considerably more damning.
What does it all add up to? No one agrees. There is a wide spectrum of opinion. But if you are no longer able to believe the official version after reading this:congratulations - you're now a "conspiracy theorist".
PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR
early 1960s –US drafts plans to terrorize American cities to provoke war with Cuba – ABC News
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
original source document:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
1967 : The US government stages the Gulf of Tonkin incident to draw the US into the Vietnam War – CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/02/ap/world/mainD8E825200.shtml
1991 - US Ambassador April Glaspie tells Saddam Hussein we will not intervene if he invades Kuwait. His invasion then furnishes the pretext for the Persian Gulf War.
http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/glaspie.html
THE PLANNING
1996 – 2001 : FBI knew terrorists were using flight schools – The Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A10840-2001Sep22
1998–2000: On three occasions, spies in Afghanistan report bin Laden's location. Each time, the president approves an attack. Each time, the CIA Director says the attack can't go forward - The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/30/national/30TERR.html?ex=1072587600&en=9621d0e90d5bb152&ei=5070
2000–2001: 15 of the 19 hijackers fail to fill in visa documents properly in Saudi Arabia. Only 6 are interviewed. All 15 should have been denied entry to the US – The Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A62033-2002Oct21¬Found=true
2000–2001: The military conducts exercises simulating hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets causing mass casualties. One target is the World Trade Center, another the Pentagon.
http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Contingency_Planning.html
Jan 2001: After the November 2000 elections, US intelligence agencies are told to "back off" investigating the bin Ladens and Saudi royals. There have always been constraints on investigating Saudi Arabians – BBC News
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm
June-Aug 2001: German intelligence warns the CIA that Middle Eastern terrorists are training for hijackings and targeting American interests. Russian President Vladimir Putin alerts the US of suicide pilots training for attacks on US targets. In late July, a Taliban emissary warns the US that bin Laden is planning a huge attack on American soil. In August, Israel warns of an imminent Al Qaeda attack. – FOX News
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,53065,00.html
July 11, 2001 : According to French newspaper Le Figaro, Osama bin Laden checks into a hospital in Dubai for treatment, where he is visited by the local CIA agent. – Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,584444,00.html
July 26, 2001: Attorney General Ashcroft stops flying commercial airlines due to a threat assessment – CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml
August 6, 2001: President Bush receives an intelligence briefing warning that bin Laden might be planning to hijack commercial airliners. Titled "Bin Laden Determined To Strike in US," the briefing specifically mentions the WTC. Bush later claims it "said nothing about an attack on America." – New York Times
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30913FA3A5D0C758DDDAC0894DA404482
August 8-15, 2001: At some point between these dates, Israel warns the US that an al-Qaeda attack is imminent – FOX News
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,53065,00.html
August 13-15, 2001: Zacarias Moussaoui trains at the Pan Am International Flight School in Minneapolis, Minnesota, where he pays $8,300 ($1500 by credit card and the remainder in cash) to use a Boeing 474 Model 400 aircraft simulator. After just one day of training, most of the staff is suspicious that he's a terrorist. They discuss "how much fuel is on board a 747-400, and how much damage that could cause if it hits anything." They call the FBI with their concerns later that day. – New York Times
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60B17F63F580C7B8CDDAB0894DA404482
August 15, 2001: Minnesota FBI agents quickly become frustrated at the lack of interest in the Moussaoui case from higher ups – New York Times
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60B17F63F580C7B8CDDAB0894DA404482
August 22, 2001 : Counter-terrorism expert John O'Neill quits the FBI. He says it's partly because of a recent power play against him, but also because of repeated obstruction of his investigations into al-Qaeda – The New Yorker
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?020114fa_FACT1
August 23-27, 2001: In the wake of the French intelligence report on Zacarias Moussaoui, FBI agents in Minnesota are "in a frenzy" and "absolutely convinced he is planning to do something with a plane." One agent writes notes speculating Moussaoui might "fly something into the World Trade Center." – Newsweek
http://www.bulatlat.com/news/2-16/2-16-readerNEWSWEEK.html
Standards to get a warrant through FISA are so low that out of 10,000 requests over more than 20 years, not a single one was turned down. New York Times, 8/27/02 However, as FBI agent Coleen Rowley later puts it, FBI headquarters "almost inexplicably, throws up roadblocks" and undermines their efforts. Headquarters personnel bring up "almost ridiculous questions in their apparent efforts to undermine the probable cause." One Minneapolis agent's e-mail says FBI headquarters is "setting this up for failure." – Time
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html
September 6-10, 2001: Suspicious trading occurs on American and United (UAL), the two airlines used in the 9/11 attacks. Between 6 and 7 September, The Chicago Board Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put option contracts a speculation that the stock will go down in UAL versus 396 call options a speculation that stock will go up. Holders of the put options would have netted a profit of $5 million once the carrier's share price dived after September 11. On 10 September, more trading in Chicago saw the purchase of 4,516 put options in American Airlines, the other airline involved in the hijackings. This compares with a mere 748 call options in American purchased that day. No other airlines saw such trading in their put options. One analyst says: "I saw put-call numbers higher than I've ever seen in 10 years of following the markets, particularly the options markets." – Associated Press
http://web.archive.org/web/20020215082158/http://cjonline.com/stories/091901/ter_tradingacts.shtml
September 10, 2001 : In a speech to the Department of Defense, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld announces that the Department of Defense "cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." CBS later calculates that 25% of the yearly defense budget is unaccounted for, and quotes a long-time defense budget analyst: "Their numbers are pie in the sky. The books are cooked routinely year after year." Coverage of this story is nearly nonexistent after the events of the next day. – CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml
September 10, 2001 : The trading ratio on United Airlines is 25 times greater than normal at the Pacific Exchange. Pacific Exchange officials later decline to state if this abnormality is being investigated – San Francisco Chronicle
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/19/BU184559.DTL
September 10, 2001 : US officials later admit American agents had infiltrated al-Qaeda cells in the US, though how many and how long they had been in al-Qaeda remains a mystery. On this day, electronic intercepts connected to these undercover agents hear messages such as: "Watch the news," and "Tomorrow will be a great day for us." As to why this didn't lead to boosted security or warnings the next day, officials call these leads "needles in a haystack." What other leads may have come from this prior to this day are not revealed – USA Today
http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002/06/03/cia-attacks.htm
September 10, 2001 : Two days after 9/11, Newsweek reports: "The state of alert had been high during the past two weeks, and a particularly urgent warning may have been received the night before the attacks, causing some top Pentagon brass to cancel a trip. Why that same information was not available to the 266 people who died aboard the four hijacked commercial aircraft may become a hot topic on the Hill.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/010913newsweek
September 10, 2001 : Former president Bush is with a brother of Osama bin Laden at a Carlyle business conference. The conference is interrupted the next day by the attacks. – Washington Post
http://www.wanttoknow.info/030316post
THE ATTACK
Sept 11, 2001: Described as a bizarre coincidence, a US intelligence agency was all set for an exercise on Sept 11th at 9:00 AM in which an aircraft would crash into one of its buildings near Washington, DC – Associated Press
http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11/anniversary/wire_stories/0903_plane_exercise.htm
An Assistant Fire Commissioner states "I thought... before... No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes...I... saw a flash flash flash...at the lower level of the building not up where the fire was. You know like when they... blow up a building... ?" – The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Gregory_Stephen.txt
A firefighter states "There was just an explosion. It seemed like on television when they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions." – The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Banaciski_Richard.txt
Another firefighter states "At first I thought it was... do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear pop pop pop pop pop – that's exactly what because thought it was" – ABC Local
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:T2ldEwVAu18J:abclocal.go.com/images/wabc/2005/TurilliThomas_firefighter.pdf+%22Thomas+Turilli%22+%22%E2%80%9Cit+almost%22&hl=en&client=firefox-a
Another firefighter states "it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building... Then the building started to come down. My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV". - The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Fitzpatrick_Tom.txt
Some eyewitnesses reported hearing another explosion just before the structure crumbled. Police said that it looked almost like a "planned implosion". – Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,600839,00.html
An WNYC radio reporter said "The reporters were trying to figure out what had happened. We were thinking bombs had brought the building down."
Running Toward Danger: Stories Behind the Breaking News of 9/11, page 203
A Wall Street Journal reporter said "I heard this metallic roar, looked up and saw what I thought was just a peculiar sight of individual floors, one after the other exploding outward. I thought to myself 'My God, they're going to bring the building down.' And they, whoever they are, had set charges... I saw the explosions."
Running Toward Danger: Stories Behind the Breaking News of 9/11, page 87
Another firefighter states "It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit. We had originally had thought there was like an internal detonation, explosives, because it went in succession, boom boom boom boom, and then the tower came down." – The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Cachia_Edward.txt
An insurance company employee in the South Tower heard an explosion from below the impact of the airplane, debris came flying up the stairwell, and the wall split from the bottom up. – The Christian Science Monitor
http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0917/p1s1-usgn.html
A fire department battalion chief states "it actually looked – the lowest floor of fire in the south tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because the whole bottom I could see redacted I could see two sides of it and the other side, it just looked like that floor blew out." – The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Dixon_Brian.txt
Despite not being hit by an airplane, World Trade Center 7 collapses. The debris is confined almost entirely to the building's footprint.
http://wtc7.net/docs/wtc7_pile_s.jpg
Among the tenants of that building: a clandestine CIA station – The New York Times, November 4, 2001
http://wtc7.net/lcache/wtc7.htm
Sept 11, 2001: Six air traffic controllers who dealt with two of the hijacked airliners make a tape recording describing the events within hours of the attacks. The tape is never turned over to the FBI. It is later destroyed by a supervisor without anyone making a transcript or even listening to it. – Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A6632-2004May6
THE AFTERMATH
Sept 13-19, 2001: Bin Laden's family is taken under FBI supervision to a secret assembly point. They leave the country by private plane when airports reopen days after the attacks. – The New York Times
http://www.wanttoknow.info/010930nytimes
Sept 15-16, 2001: Several of the 9/11 hijackers, including lead hijacker Mohamed Atta, may have had training at secure US military installations – The New York Times
http://www.wanttoknow.info/010915nytimes
Sept 23, 2001: Several of the 9/11 hijackers later mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report turn up alive. Alleged 9/11 pilot Waleed Al Shehri, on seeing his name and photograph, informs journalists that he is alive. – BBC News
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
THE INVESTIGATION
A member of the National Association of Demolition Contractors says that the World Trade Center collapse looked like a classic controlled demolition. – New Scientist magazine
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn1281
Commenting on the rapid funneling of the wreckage to scrap metal dealers, Dr. Frederick Mowrer, an associate professor in the Fire Protection Engineering Department at the University of Maryland, states "I find the the speed with which potentially valuable evidence has been removed and recycled to be appalling." – The New York Times, December 25, 2001
Leading structural engineers and fire safety experts characterize the World Trade Center investigation as underfunded and inadequate – The New York Times, December 25, 2001
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40A11FB3E550C768EDDAB0994D9404482
A firefighters' trade publication calls the World Trade Center investigation "a half-baked farce" - January 4, 2002
http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=OnlineArticles&SubSection=Display&%20;PUBLICATION_ID=25&ARTICLE_ID=131225
January 29, 2002 : Bush asks Congress to limit 9/11 probe to intelligence failures only – CNN
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/inv.terror.probe/
May 23, 2002: Bush opposes establishing an independent commission to probe 9/11 – CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/15/attack/main509096.shtml
Vice President Cheney earlier opposed any public hearings on 9/11 - Newsweek
http://www.wanttoknow.info/020204newsweek
May 30, 2002: FBI Agent Wright formally accuses the FBI of deliberately curtailing investigations that might have prevented 9/11. He is threatened with retribution if he talks to Congress about this – FOX News
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,54070,00.html
late 2002 – In a move that draws sharp criticism, Bush appoints Philip Zelikow, a three-year veteran of Bush Senior's National Security Council, as executive director of official 9/11 Commission.
March 26, 2003 - The White House refuses a request from an independent commission led by former New Jersey governor Thomas Kean to supplement its original $3 million budget. (For comparison: the commission to investigate the Challenger explosion received $50 million.) – Time
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,437267,00.html
October 28, 2003 – The Kean commission complains federal agencies are being slow to furnish documents. The commission threatens to issue subpoenas for the information. - CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/27/bush.911/
Bush and Cheney refuse to testify before the commission until these conditons are met:
- They would be allowed to testify jointly.
- They would not be required to testify under oath
- The testimony would not be electornically recorded or transcribed, with the only record being notes taken by a commission staffer
- The notes would not be made public
- MSNBC
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4862296/
July 22, 2004: The official 9/11 Commission Report is published. It fails to mention that a year before the attacks a secret Pentagon project had identified four 9/11 hijackers, including leader Mohamed Atta. The Commission spokesperson initially states members were not informed of this, but later acknowledges they were. – The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/11/politics/11intel.html?ex=1281412800&en=3c4c0f2346a58391&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
June 13, 2005: Former chief economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds comments that the official story about the collapse of the WTC is "bogus" and that it is more likely that a controlled demolition destroyed the Twin Towers and adjacent Building No. 7. – The Washington Times
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050613-102755-6408r.htm
August 15, 2005 : CIA field commander alleges that US let Bin Laden escape in Afghanistan - Newsweek
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8853000/site/newsweek/
November 10, 2005 : A physics professor from Brigham Young University publishes an academic paper saying that "pre-positioned explosives" were the likely cause of the World Trade Center collapse. – Deseret News
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635160132,00.html
November 17, 2005 : Former FBI Director Louis Freeh, writing in The Washington Post, says the official 9/11 commision's conclusion "raises serious challenges to the commission's credibility and, if the facts prove out, might just render the commission historically insignificant itself."
http://www.wanttoknow.info/051126abledangerlouisfreeh
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I like you. And you'll be labeled a nut for stating fact here.
4 of the 10 911 commissioners have now called for a new investigation.
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I like you. And you'll be labeled a nut for stating fact here.
4 of the 10 911 commissioners have now called for a new investigation.
If either of you guys had ever seen a pussy you wouldn't have time for this BS
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If either of you guys had ever seen a pussy you wouldn't have time for this BS
ok "militarymuscle69" hahahaha
[Sorry, must have been channeling The Squadfather there. ;D]
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Ribo is a 911 conspiracy theorist? I didn't see THAT one coming. lol. :) No wonder 240 likes you. . . . .
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actually the CTers are the ones who are still holding on to a story which is physically, and common sensically, impossible. But they believe it because of the super-reliable and completely unbiased source of it...
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actually the CTers are the ones who are still holding on to a story which is physically, and common sensically, impossible. But they believe it because of the super-reliable and completely unbiased source of it...
Ok yeah, and ummm, like i told this girl once: "trust me"
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Ribo,
You mentioned sources that dealt with the gov. working to carry out attacks, that they were practicing crashing planes into the WTC and the Pentagon.
Then you mentioned sources that dealt with the gov. letting the terrorists into the country.
So, which is it?
Were the terrorists allowed in to strike or did the gov. do it themselves?
Or are you just covering all your bases?
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When will we see the "New world order" ? 2010, 2012 or 2013 ?
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When will we see the "New world order" ? 2010, 2012 or 2013 ?
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Too soon!!!
>:(
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interesting post!
Thank you
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If either of you guys had ever seen a pussy you wouldn't have time for this BS
LOL ;D
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Watch this video.
Lol I saw these guys on National Geographic retracting half their movie due to facts engineers showed them , I love it how a bunch of retards with no background or knowledge but access to an editing program can make you believe such a thing.
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Ribo,
You mentioned sources that dealt with the gov. working to carry out attacks, that they were practicing crashing planes into the WTC and the Pentagon.
Then you mentioned sources that dealt with the gov. letting the terrorists into the country.
So, which is it?
Were the terrorists allowed in to strike or did the gov. do it themselves?
Or are you just covering all your bases?
These conspiracy theories are so stupid and contradictory that when the house of cards fall downs, they say its just evidence of a larger conspiracy.
Case in point - someone was telling me that a missle hit the pentagon and not a plane. I asked the question where Barbara Olsen was and all the family members on that plane since those family members dont know where the relatives are.
The answer I received??? That the govt was holding these people in a secret jail somehwre.
The conspiracy nuts simply cant explain away the fact that the same incomptent govt that can deal with Iraq, Katrina, delivering the mail, administering immigration, is yet on the other hand so brilliant in covering up a conspiracy that would have taken literally hundreds of people to pull off and remain silent alll this time.
Additionally, they want us to bleieve that not one person in this whole massive conspiracy never said a word to family members, or turned themselves in for guilt, etc.
its pure nonsense.
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These conspiracy theories are so stupid and contradictory that when the house of cards fall downs, they say its just evidence of a larger conspiracy.
Case in point - someone was telling me that a missle hit the pentagon and not a plane. I asked the question where Barbara Olsen was and all the family members on that plane since those family members dont know where the relatives are.
The answer I received??? That the govt was holding these people in a secret jail somehwre.
The conspiracy nuts simply cant explain away the fact that the same incomptent govt that can deal with Iraq, Katrina, delivering the mail, administering immigration, is yet on the other hand so brilliant in covering up a conspiracy that would have taken literally hundreds of people to pull off and remain silent alll this time.
Additionally, they want us to bleieve that not one person in this whole massive conspiracy never said a word to family members, or turned themselves in for guilt, etc.
its pure nonsense.
Don't tell 240 this.
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So where is Barbra Olsen?
She called her huisband from the plane and said that it was hijacked.
Is Ted Olsen in on the conspiracy too??????
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These conspiracy theories are so stupid and contradictory that when the house of cards fall downs, they say its just evidence of a larger conspiracy.
Case in point - someone was telling me that a missle hit the pentagon and not a plane. I asked the question where Barbara Olsen was and all the family members on that plane since those family members dont know where the relatives are.
The answer I received??? That the govt was holding these people in a secret jail somehwre.
The conspiracy nuts simply cant explain away the fact that the same incomptent govt that can deal with Iraq, Katrina, delivering the mail, administering immigration, is yet on the other hand so brilliant in covering up a conspiracy that would have taken literally hundreds of people to pull off and remain silent alll this time.
Additionally, they want us to bleieve that not one person in this whole massive conspiracy never said a word to family members, or turned themselves in for guilt, etc.
its pure nonsense.
Completely agree. The people who believe in this stuff check their common sense at the door. I made the mistake of having a discussion with a guy about this and asked the same question ("where are the bodies and the planes") and got pretty much same kind of comical answer (the government secretly murdered them, disposed of the bodies, and disposed of the planes).
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Then watch this smart guy:
Read this site and tell me what you think.
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
Were these photos fakes too?????????
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Completely agree. The people who believe in this stuff check their common sense at the door. I made the mistake of having a discussion with a guy about this and asked the same question ("where are the bodies and the planes") and got pretty much same kind of comical answer (the government secretly murdered them, disposed of the bodies, and disposed of the planes).
To pull off a conspiract the size and scope of what these people want us to believe defies all logic, reasoning, and common sense.
These fools cant get awy with jerking off in their mother's basement, yet think that hundreds of people have been able to cover up a conspiracy for 7 years and not one person slipped up, not one person talked, not one person left one piece of incrtimintating evidence. nothing.
Also, if would have taken awhile to set up the bombs in the towers and these people want me to believe that no security camera caught this? Not one security officer on watch saw this?
The wild nonsense they spew makes no sense when you take everything into account.
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Where's the other 7 tons of aircraft?
1. Vaporized in the blast.
2. Burned in the fire.
If those pictures are not enough for you as well as the fact that Barbara Olsen called her husband from the phone on the plane and said that the plane was hijacked than nothing will satisfy you.
Is Barbara Olsen and Ted Olsen in on this too????
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1. Vaporized in the blast.
2. Burned in the fire.
If those pictures are not enough for you as well as the fact that Barbara Olsen called her husband from the phone on the plane and said that the plane was hijacked than nothing will satisfy you.
Is Barbara Olsen and Ted Olsen in on this too????
They are all in on it. Everyone. Every place. Everything. It's ALL a conspiracy.
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In case anyone missed it gunns=240.
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1. Vaporized in the blast.
2. Burned in the fire.
I didn't realize that titanium jet engines could be 'vaporized' by jet fuel.
It'd be the first time ever. Anyone know what the melting point of steel is, vs. the maximum heat temp of burning jet fuel.
In case anyone missed it gunns=240.
Sorry, hoss. If I have something to say, I say it with my own account. You do know that the majority of Americans doubt the official story, dontcha?
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I didn't realize that titanium jet engines could be 'vaporized' by jet fuel.
It'd be the first time ever. Anyone know what the melting point of steel is, vs. the maximum heat temp of burning jet fuel.
Sorry, hoss. If I have something to say, I say it with my own account. You do know that the majority of Americans doubt the official story, dontcha?
Ok - where is Barbara Olsen?
And is her husband Ted Olsen the previous Solicitor General of the USA in on this too?????
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My belief - shared by half of the 911 commissioners, including the 2 co chairs, kean and hamilton - is that there is more than enough new information to warrant a second investigation into the events of 911.
Do you agree with the co-chairs of the 911 commission? Or do you claim to know more/better than they do?
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My belief - shared by half of the 911 commissioners, including the 2 co chairs, kean and hamilton - is that there is more than enough new information to warrant a second investigation into the events of 911.
Do you agree with the co-chairs of the 911 commission? Or do you claim to know more/better than they do?
Yes I more needs to be known, however, conspiracy theorists like yourself keep trying to say that a missle hit the pentagon, and not a plane.
I am asking a simple question that you can not answer and one that blows the whole missle theory out of the water. That is - where is Barbara Olsen?
You simply have NO answer as to where Barbara Olsen is unless you also believe her husband is in on this too since he claimed that she called him from the plane and said that the plane was hijacked.
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The real cover up is the government's incompetence that day. That's why people are blocking a second investigation.
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Yes I more needs to be known, however, conspiracy theorists like yourself keep trying to say that a missle hit the pentagon, and not a plane.
I am asking a simple question that you can not answer and one that blows the whole missle theory out of the water. That is - where is Barbara Olsen?
You simply have NO answer as to where Barbara Olsen is unless you also believe her husband is in on this too since he claimed that she called him from the plane and said that the plane was hijacked.
$2.3 trillion went missing from the pentagon on 9/10/2001.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that kind of $ buys a whole lot of {insert your silly hypotheticals here}
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Yes I more needs to be known, however, conspiracy theorists like yourself keep trying to say that a missle hit the pentagon, and not a plane.
I am asking a simple question that you can not answer and one that blows the whole missle theory out of the water. That is - where is Barbara Olsen?
You simply have NO answer as to where Barbara Olsen is unless you also believe her husband is in on this too since he claimed that she called him from the plane and said that the plane was hijacked.
I asked that question probably over a year ago (where is Olsen) and he said she something like she was secretly released overseas.
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http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
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I like you. And you'll be labeled a nut for stating fact here.
4 of the 10 911 commissioners have now called for a new investigation.
Yeah....it's been all over the news, happening as it breaks ::)
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$2.3 trillion went missing from the pentagon on 9/10/2001.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that kind of $ buys a whole lot of {insert your silly hypotheticals here}
Again - where is Barbara Olsen and do you believe her husband Ted Olsen is also in on this?????????
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I bet Barbara was abducted by the aliens. I bet they're also really behind the whole 9/11 deal. Then it would all make perfect sense. An alien death ray could easily vaporize a jet airliner and/or blow a hole in the side of the Pentagon.
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I bet Barbara was abducted by the aliens. I bet they're also really behind the whole 9/11 deal. Then it would all make perfect sense. An alien death ray could easily vaporize a jet airliner and/or blow a hole in the side of the Pentagon.
Good theory!
In all seriousness, the conspiracies that these people are pushing is so silly when you consider basic questions and facts that they INTENTIONALLY choose to ignore.
I use the Barbara Olsen question because it is so simple, so basic, and so undermining of their insane claims.
If they cant tell me what happened to Barbara Olsen and what proof that Ted Olsen was in on this too, then I will not take anything else they say seriously.
240 - WHERE IS BARBARA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Damn, this is hardcore.
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yawn.
Now there's some irrefutable logic backed by hard science. I'm thoroughly convinced!
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Now there's some irrefutable logic backed by hard science. I'm thoroughly convinced!
I wouldn't argue with a 5-year old about Santa Claus either. I understand that some people, due to indoctrination of various means, will never be able to accept any reality outside of the fairy tale world that makes them feel safe.
Now, go leave out your milk and cookies.
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I wouldn't argue with a 5-year old about Santa Claus either. I understand that some people, due to indoctrination of various means, will never be able to accept any reality outside of the fairy tale world that makes them feel safe.
Now, go leave out your milk and cookies.
I just destroyed your entire complex matrix-like theory with one simple question you refuse to answer.
Where is Barbara Olsen and is Ted Olsen in on this too?
Face it, a missle did not hit the pentagon.
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I wouldn't argue with a 5-year old about Santa Claus either. I understand that some people, due to indoctrination of various means, will never be able to accept any reality outside of the fairy tale world that makes them feel safe.
Now, go leave out your milk and cookies.
I know!!! Some people's thinking is so bound within the confines of conventional physics and basic fundamental science. They're so narrow-minded that it's hopeless to argue with them! I hate people like that, they're no fun!!!
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I know santa is real because you cannot provide a topographical map of the North Pole NOT showing his house!
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I know!!! Some people's thinking is so bound within the confines of conventional physics and basic fundamental science. They're so narrow-minded that it's hopeless to argue with them! I hate people like that, they're no fun!!!
So any physicist or engineer who believes the collapases couldn't have happened from gravity alone - they are all wrong?
Because right here we have a few hundred PhDs, engineers, physicists, and other great minds who all believe the official story is impossible.
http://stj911.org/members/index.html
I just want to make sure a guy on a bodybuilding board named Dan-O officially knows more than all of these PhDs. You do, right?
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I wouldn't argue with a 5-year old about Santa Claus either. I understand that some people, due to indoctrination of various means, will never be able to accept any reality outside of the fairy tale world that makes them feel safe.
Now, go leave out your milk and cookies.
You're the 5 year old here, I can speak for myself and say that when I give my opinion it's backed up with my own personal M.Sc in engineering and friends with higher degrees and more experience.
You on the other hand, have never bothered to calculate the immense energy that a huge plane packed with volatile jet hits the ground at almost mach 1....
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You're the 5 year old here, I can speak for myself and say that when I give my opinion it's backed up with my own personal M.Sc in engineering and friends with higher degrees and more experience.
You on the other hand, have never bothered to calculate the immense energy that a huge plane packed with volatile jet hits the ground at almost mach 1....
You have waited this long to interject that you happen to have a Masters in Engineering, huh?
Awesome timing. So looking at this list of your peers:
http://stj911.org/members/index.html
Are they all full of shit?
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So any physicist or engineer who believes the collapases couldn't have happened from gravity alone - they are all wrong?
Because right here we have a few hundred PhDs, engineers, physicists, and other great minds who all believe the official story is impossible.
http://stj911.org/members/index.html
I just want to make sure a guy on a bodybuilding board named Dan-O officially knows more than all of these PhDs. You do, right?
People aren't necessarily infallible just because they have some letters after their name. PhD's, engineers and physicists can be just as wacky as anybody else. Forgive me if I'm not swayed by the arguments of someone like "Dr. Steven A. Jones" whose off-the-wall inferences were drawn from secondhand information such as pictures and video gleaned from other websites.
Just because you read it on the internet doesn't make it true. Here's another website where all sorts of scientific facts are invoked to prove their hypotheses:
The Flat Earth Society (http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm)
Hmmm. Some scientists and other great minds believe it. Does that make it so?
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People aren't necessarily infallible just because they have some letters after their name. PhD's, engineers and physicists can be just as wacky as anybody else. Forgive me if I'm not swayed by the arguments of someone like "Dr. Steven A. Jones" whose off-the-wall inferences were drawn from secondhand information such as pictures and video gleaned from other websites.
Just because you read it on the internet doesn't make it true. Here's another website where all sorts of scientific facts are invoked to prove their hypotheses:
The Flat Earth Society (http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm)
Hmmm. Some scientists and other great minds believe it. Does that make it so?
He doesn't understand that there are plenty of whack jobs with Phd's and that site doesn't require some effort...they just register in 10 sec they didn't actually bothered with it much more.
Also some of those scholars....B.A in music LOL!!!!!!!! I can register with as Prof.Ass lancer and they will accept me in and be proud of me ::)
And I really couldn't care less if you (240) don't believe I have engineering degrees or not, I just don't like to give out too much details about myself online.
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Let's face it. The people who benefitted most from 911 (being given unlimited power and spending) were those who investigated themselves for it. At the very least, as OzmO pointed out, they simply hid their own incompetence. This means they should be fired, and not receiving a govt paycheck. Are you okay with this social welfare, allowing unqualified/dangerously unprepared people at the helm? You're okay with your tax dollars paying their salaries?
At the very least, if it was complete laziness and incompetence on their part - we should know that. A second investigation would show that.
it's funny that some people dislike he thought of a second investigation when the very men who did the first invistigation now admit it's very much flawed. If the writers of a document don't stand by it - why would you?
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And I really couldn't care less if you (240) don't believe I have engineering degrees or not, I just don't like to give out too much details about myself online.
You claim to know more about the collapse than Mechanical Engineers who have studied it.
How can this be?
You shit on me for doubting NIST's *continaully evolving* explanation of the collapse... yet you can shit on people with advanced degrees who simply say we should re-examine what happened.
You're a man of science - yet you are okay with this evidence not even being properly examined ONCE? (and don't claim it was - the 911 commission authors admit it was not)
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Let's face it. The people who benefitted most from 911 (being given unlimited power and spending) were those who investigated themselves for it. At the very least, as OzmO pointed out, they simply hid their own incompetence. This means they should be fired, and not receiving a govt paycheck. Are you okay with this social welfare, allowing unqualified/dangerously unprepared people at the helm? You're okay with your tax dollars paying their salaries?
At the very least, if it was complete laziness and incompetence on their part - we should know that. A second investigation would show that.
it's funny that some people dislike he thought of a second investigation when the very men who did the first invistigation now admit it's very much flawed. If the writers of a document don't stand by it - why would you?
I don't know if laziness is to blame. I think it showed how unprepared we were for something like that as well as how the warning signs from intelligence were there.
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Absolutely not. I believe govt is incompetent at every level at almost everything it does.
However, that is not the same as saying the govt did this intentionally as many of the conspiracy theories you put out there try to claim.
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Absolutely not. I believe govt is incompetent at every level at almost everything it does.
However, that is not the same as saying the govt did this intentionally as many of the conspiracy theories you put out there try to claim.
To me that's one of the most ridiculous unsubstantiated ideas ever.
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To me that's one of the most ridiculous unsubstantiated ideas ever.
Many of the conspiracy kooks try to make you believe these were controlled demolitions and that missles hit the pentagon.
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You claim to know more about the collapse than Mechanical Engineers who have studied it.
How can this be?
You shit on me for doubting NIST's *continaully evolving* explanation of the collapse... yet you can shit on people with advanced degrees who simply say we should re-examine what happened.
You're a man of science - yet you are okay with this evidence not even being properly examined ONCE? (and don't claim it was - the 911 commission authors admit it was not)
There are also plenty of people who invested years in investigating it, full jobs for an entire engineering company...so...only the conspirators are right?
The basic mistake you are doing is that you look at it as some simple small building that had a structural failure at one point and collapsed , and that's not surprising since it's the most common scenario.
But this case it totally different, you have airplanes that can cruise at around 0.9mach, here they were diving into buildings with full throttle maybe even breaking mach 1, packed with fuel. Just the energy in the collision can vaporize a few floors/airplanes not to mention the combustibles.
Also if you ever seen National Geographic show about the demolition team they follow you would have seen how many holes need to be drilled and how there is no chance someone could have hidden so much work in buildings that are so overly populated.
Here are some numbers for you, I keep it as simple as possible:
http://www.convert-me.com/en/convert/units/energy/energy.tntton.en.html
According to them one ton of TNT - 4*10^9 Joule.
M=50 Tons , V=830km/h ---> E=(mV^2)*0.5=1.328*10^9 Joule.
These numbers are pretty conservative they are for a very lightly loaded 737 at his top speed (without diving), taking a higher take off weight and speed can easily match one ton of TNT exploding.
- 160kg of TNT exploding for some reference.
Now add to that the jet fuel and the plenty of flammable substances in the building and you get an inferno, also remember that the explosion can create reactions that can't happen in regular fires since they need a very high initial energy to start them and maybe even cause a self sustained chain reaction.
So where are you facts? NORAD was turned off? NORAD doesn't deal with regular civilian air traffic, and considering that NYC have several airports in it and a very busy skies by the time they might have realized something is wrong (kidnap but guessing they will crash it into a building? a little far fetched for them at the time) it was too late, planes move fast and the distance was small.
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Great point about the demo teams.
Its simply not possible for demo teams not to be noticed in the WTC to pull this off.
These people are watching too many movies.
They want us to believe that no janitors, security guards on watch, maintence crew, engineers, etc saw anything going on????
Who really believes this garbage?
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Many of the conspiracy kooks try to make you believe these were controlled demolitions and that missles hit the pentagon.
Yeah, then they took all the people from the plane that "supposedly" hit the pentagon and executed them and disposed of the plane.
Meanwhile, the terminal crew, the ATC's, etc., were all in on it!
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Yeah, then they took all the people from the plane that "supposedly" hit the pentagon and executed them and disposed of the plane.
Meanwhile, the terminal crew, the ATC's, etc., were all in on it!
Also, why would the government kill people on planes and in buildings yet it will make efforts to make the towers collapse somewhat cleanly ::)
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This is why:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8136133221213939183
More crackpot theories.
Where is Barbare Olsen and is Ted Olsen covering this up to?
Until you and your kook friends can answer that question for me, STFU with your nonsense.
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Also, why would the government kill people on planes and in buildings yet it will make efforts to make the towers collapse somewhat cleanly ::)
Additionally they didn't need to hit the pentagon. If the towers where the only thing attacked it would have been more than enough to create the wars.
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More crackpot theories.
Where is Barbare Olsen and is Ted Olsen covering this up to?
Until you and your kook friends can answer that question for me, STFU with your nonsense.
Agreed, what a bunch of crap.
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Anyone notice how our mentally handicapped poster (240) disappeared after we inserted some logic into this thread...yet he keep spamming the board with BS threads.
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You couldn't make a cell phone call from a jet in 2001.
Hi 240, you forgot to log out.
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Hi 240, you forgot to log out.
Hi dick. Not me. But thanks for your concern :)
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Hi dick. Not me. But thanks for your concern :)
Sure it isn't...it's not like getbig+ conspiracies are your entire life.
How's living in a trailer with a junkie wife providing the family works for you?
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Sure it isn't...it's not like getbig+ conspiracies are your entire life.
How's living in a trailer with a junkie wife providing the family works for you?
youre all sorts of pissed off, huh?
Smile once in a while.
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youre all sorts of pissed off, huh?
Smile once in a while.
Actually I always have a smile on my face, but I admit that if I had your life I would surely be sad.
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Actually I always have a smile on my face, but I admit that if I had your life I would surely be sad.
Brutal obsession.
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You couldn't make a cell phone call from a jet in 2001.
Maybe she called from the plane????
Either way - where is she???????????????????????
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Brutal obsession.
Nice try at complimenting yourself, oh btw where are you amazing facts to disprove what we stated here.... ::)
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Nice try at complimenting yourself, oh btw where are you amazing facts to disprove what we stated here.... ::)
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Wow...now I believe the government was behind it ::)
settle down. youre sounding pathetic now.
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settle down. youre sounding pathetic now.
More pathetic than being a warrior + using a gimmick and after being faced with facts trying to avoid...nah..you're much more.
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More pathetic than being a warrior + using a gimmick and after being faced with facts trying to avoid...nah..you're much more.
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240 resorts to children tactics when he is faced with facts and science.
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I said you couldn't make a call from an aircraft in 2001.
Cell phones worked.
The problem with cell phone use in airplanes is that the older phones (Analog) would tie up multiple cell towers and could cause the network to crash.
Cell phones are just a powered antenna and can communicate with towers from 25 to 40 miles away.
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I said you couldn't make a call from an aircraft in 2001.
240 stop posting that link, they were totally owned by proper scientists and the admitted that, released a newer version with much less BS and when they get educated more they will cut even more BS from their video.
Seriously listening to 3 homos with no knowledge is pitiful.
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240 stop posting that link, they were totally owned by proper scientists and the admitted that, released a newer version with much less BS and when they get educated more they will cut even more BS from their video.
Seriously listening to 3 homos with no knowledge is pitiful.
again, really, when i was all about 911, I would have constructed my own graphic and pwned your argument silly. However it's a waste of time for me now. There's so much info out there. if people want to read about it, they can. If they want to ignore all the holes in the official story (a story which even the writers say now is no longer valid), then so be it. This is america. You can be as stupid as you wish to be. The 911 commish authors say we need a 2nd investigation. An "engineer" named IFBBwannaB says we don't. Sorry bro, but I'm going to roll with their opinion on this one.
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again, really, when i was all about 911, I would have constructed my own graphic and pwned your argument silly. However it's a waste of time for me now. There's so much info out there. if people want to read about it, they can. If they want to ignore all the holes in the official story (a story which even the writers say now is no longer valid), then so be it. This is america. You can be as stupid as you wish to be. The 911 commish authors say we need a 2nd investigation. An "engineer" named IFBBwannaB says we don't. Sorry bro, but I'm going to roll with their opinion on this one.
If you will put holes in the physics equations you will get a Nobel prize worth a million dollar bitch.
Not to mention that common logic beats the crap out of your arguments , controlled demolition to prevent collateral damage...yet destroy a block of buildings with thousands in them...yeah...it all just follows a linear line ::)
Claiming that NORAD were taking a coffee break while all of this happened is your best try and it lame as hell.
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Watch this tough guy.
HAHAHAHA!!! Yeah the fire was 92 Celsius LOL! ::)
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Ok, explain how the third building went down, Building 7, unhit by aircraft, at free-fall speed.
Yeah leading Internet scientists say it should have came down in slow motion.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAH
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Ok, explain how the third building went down, Building 7, unhit by aircraft, at free-fall speed.
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/techbeat/tbx2008_1120_wtc7.htm
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http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/techbeat/tbx2008_1120_wtc7.htm
GOOD POST! The conspiracy fanatics will be here soon.
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http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/WTC%20Part%20IIC%20-%20WTC%207%20Collapse%20Final.pdf
240 like his new gimmick account doesn't he? ;)
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240 like his new gimmick account doesn't he? ;)
really, if i had something to say to ya, i'd use my own account. grow up dude.
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really, if i had something to say to ya, i'd use my own account. grow up dude.
Sure you would ::)
I'm guessing you're just traumatized from the incident that your whole details were exposed....want me duplicate that for you? Bring up all those worm fuzzy feelings... ;)
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How come the BBC reported the collapse before it actually fell?
So now the BBC is in the conspiracy too????
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How come the BBC reported the collapse before it actually fell?
that's how it IS dude. EVERYONE is in on it except YOU.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAH
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How come the BBC reported the collapse before it actually fell?
Yeah, they old them to report the building went down before it did. What for? If the building was going to go down anyway why would they need to instruct the BBC to report it?
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How come the BBC reported the collapse before it actually fell?
Everyone except 240 are in it...me & 333386 are in it too...only trailer park trash aren't in it!
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Everyone except 240 are in it...me & 333386 are in it too...only trailer park trash aren't in it!
Damn, i fell left out. what did I miss?
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Damn, i fell left out. what did I miss?
240 (aka gunns) think that the BBS was in on the conspiracy too ::)
He didn't received the email at 10/9 that explained how everything is going to happen, I guess he was busy with his MBA aka Massive Bitching Approved ;D
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The BBC is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who owns most of mainstream media and shapes our belief systems.
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The BBC is a public broadcaster owned by the citizens of the UK.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC
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The BBC is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who owns most of mainstream media and shapes our belief systems.
So now Rupert Murdoch is in on 9/11??????
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So now Rupert Murdoch is in on 9/11??????
240 have totally lost it :-\
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Steel buildings don't just go down from fires, fire can't melt steel, your oven would melt.
Ever saw a blacksmith? They heat up the metal and then shape it.....ever wondered why? ::)
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Steel buildings don't just go down from fires, fire can't melt steel, your oven would melt.
that's very stupid logic. Oven temps are different, material is different and stress, pressure on those materials are different. the metal didn't need to melt for the building to collapse.
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I'm glad you're amused, 3000 die, fucken hilarious.
Where is Barba Olsen?????????????
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I'm glad you're amused, 3000 die, fucken hilarious.
You have got to be gimmick
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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I'm glad you're amused, 3000 die, fucken hilarious.
Sorry, i have to come clean.
I'm paid the by the US Government to undermine any attempts by people on the web to promote suspicion regarding 9/11.
Expect a visit sometime in the middle of the night in the next few days. Just be truthful and and you might see the light of day in your lifetime.
NOTHING will stand int he way of the "New World Order"
You are either with us or against us.
PS- and let this be a warning to everyone else on the forum. Shape up, avoid liberal thoughts, or face the consequences. 8)
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Steel buildings don't just go down from fires, fire can't melt steel, your oven would melt.
LOL. I'd wager to say this is the level of scientific understanding of most CT'ers.
I'm with OzmO... this has got to be a gimmick to underscore the ignorance and naivete of the 9/11 CT folks.
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA, good one!!!!
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LOL. I'd wager to say this is the level of scientific understanding of most CT'ers.
I'm with OzmO... this has got to be a gimmick to underscore the ignorance and naivete of the 9/11 CT folks.
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA, good one!!!!
It's 240 as I have said before :)
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It's 240 as I have said before :)
Could be. :)
Some of the debating style is similar.
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Could be. :)
Some of the debating style is similar.
When you ask serious questions, they fold like a cheap camera.
Like . . . . . where is Barba Olsen????
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yawn. If I had something to say on this topic, I certainly would.
honestly though, most intelligent people - including the 2 co-chairs of the 911 commission - believe the official story is inadequate.
I know CTers and Official Story'ers like to debate what really happened, but it's a lot more simple than that.
Did it happen as the official story dictates? No. Even the chairs and 5 of the 10 authors admit that.
Beyond that, you have two sides who both claim to know it all on this topic. Of course, if it was an Inside Job, the CTers couldn't possibly know every detail. Likewise, even you Official Story'ers have to admit it's fishy when pakistan's head of intel sends 100k to Atta, just a few days before attacks... or when ISI head admits to Alex Jones last month that it was an inside job. yes, a leader of the intel services of our ally sends $ to lead hijacker just before 911, and the next guy admits it was an inside job.
Of course, many on both sides let it boil down to pathetic politics. It's not an inside job because Bush wouldn't do that... Or.... It is an inside job because Bush WOULD do that.
Whatever the story, things like paki's involvement mean it was bigger than 19 guys, don't they? I mean, why the 100k just a few days before 911? The 911 commission was never given that information, and now the 2 heads want to know why. Both sides are stupid to waste their time debating it. Wait 40 years and watch everything become declassified as it will. You'll see our 'allies' helped fund it. And that makes it way bigger than 19 guys, it makes it state-sponsored, which is something that is probably above your comprehension.
So let's just say 'fuck it', shall we gentlemen, and admit none of us knows the truth on this one?
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yawn. If I had something to say on this topic, I certainly would.
honestly though, most intelligent people - including the 2 co-chairs of the 911 commission - believe the official story is inadequate.
I know CTers and Official Story'ers like to debate what really happened, but it's a lot more simple than that.
Did it happen as the official story dictates? No. Even the chairs and 5 of the 10 authors admit that.
Beyond that, you have two sides who both claim to know it all on this topic. Of course, if it was an Inside Job, the CTers couldn't possibly know every detail. Likewise, even you Official Story'ers have to admit it's fishy when pakistan's head of intel sends 100k to Atta, just a few days before attacks... or when ISI head admits to Alex Jones last month that it was an inside job. yes, a leader of the intel services of our ally sends $ to lead hijacker just before 911, and the next guy admits it was an inside job.
Of course, many on both sides let it boil down to pathetic politics. It's not an inside job because Bush wouldn't do that... Or.... It is an inside job because Bush WOULD do that.
Whatever the story, things like paki's involvement mean it was bigger than 19 guys, don't they? I mean, why the 100k just a few days before 911? The 911 commission was never given that information, and now the 2 heads want to know why. Both sides are stupid to waste their time debating it. Wait 40 years and watch everything become declassified as it will. You'll see our 'allies' helped fund it. And that makes it way bigger than 19 guys, it makes it state-sponsored, which is something that is probably above your comprehension.
So let's just say 'fuck it', shall we gentlemen, and admit none of us knows the truth on this one?
I agree with some of that, but you must divide lines of thought into these categories:
Those who believe the official story
Those who believe the official story but think BUSH knew about it before it happened and let it happen for other reasons
Those who believe the official isn't true to cover up massive failures (which is what i believe)
those who believe the Government brought the WTC's down with explosives, the planes were radio control and missile hit the pentagon etc. which is ridiculous.
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I agree with some of that, but you must divide lines of thought into these categories:
Those who believe the official story
Those who believe the official story but think BUSH knew about it before it happened and let it happen for other reasons
Those who believe the official isn't true to cover up massive failures (which is what i believe)
those who believe the Government brought the WTC's down with explosives, the planes were radio control and missile hit the pentagon etc. which is ridiculous.
What others believe doesn't affect me in any way. Three years ago, I cared. Today, not really. People can believe what they want. The info is out there. Divide it any way you wish, believe what you'd like.
Did it happen as the 911 Commission report says? No. It's chairs say NO, and most people say NO. Therefore, we have an event with a very incomplete history, despite being the catalyst for the wars and economic mess we're in. In other words, without 911, there isn't wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and we don't borrow trillions of $ to fund it.
If any American knew about the attacks and let them happen, they are complicit in the deaths of 3000 people. That's way bigger than any silly debate about remote-control anything.
Anyway, I'm happy to put my name and face to everything I post. I'm not 'gunnz' - if I had something to say, I'd put my name on it. When anonymous people here accuse me of hiding, it's ironic. I was tlaking about this issue when it was very taboo, and placing my name on it. A coward I am not. I have neither the time nor energy to spend hours debating molten metal or Olsen or trying to prove a negative, or whatever. You guys have fun with that.
I agree with Kean & Hamilton that further investigation is needed. Now, that being said, let's focus on something relevant, shall we?
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Agreed, great pic to start with :)
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I agree with some of that, but you must divide lines of thought into these categories:
Those who believe the official story
Those who believe the official story but think BUSH knew about it before it happened and let it happen for other reasons
Those who believe the official isn't true to cover up massive failures (which is what i believe)
those who believe the Government brought the WTC's down with explosives, the planes were radio control and missile hit the pentagon etc. which is ridiculous.
You forgot the NWO, Illuminati, One world government believing, tin foil cap wearing, live in my basement dwelling, have no idea how it happened but will use any and all explanations in any order to prove my whacked out theories on how the world works even if the theories direct oppose each other, which is the group I most often see post here.
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I also forgot the Jew blaming, Anti-zionist movement. Although these are sometimes tied to the Illuminati, Freemason nut jobs.
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Where is Barba Olsen?????????????
I guess you never got an answer? Maybe she is still hiding oveseas?