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Recently, Ribonucleic has made posts on this board alleging that the US was partly responsible for the mass murder of Kurds in Northern Iraq, orchestrated by Saddam Hussein’s evil regime. His reasoning behind this was that The United States sold Iraq chemical weapons during this period, with full knowledge they would be used as such – the purpose of this post is to prove that this is, in fact false. RN’s posts are as follows (others, including 240, have also made such accusations):
You seem to have conveniently forgot (or perhaps are too ignorant to have learned in the first place) that the Kurds were gassed with chemical weapons we sold Saddam Hussein back when he was our pal. See Rumsfeld shaking hands with him?
Seems to me a simpler way of defending the Kurds would have been not to sell Saddam Hussein the chemical weapons he used to kill them. Hmm?
Interesting accusations. Unfortunately for our poor-researched cohort, he is badly mistaken, please read on.
Below is an article written by Australian journalist Andrew Bolt in response to similar claims made on his website - Andrew has happily emailed me this information this morning, and I thank him for it:
The living, too. One "expert" then says, without contradiction, that "George Bush (the father), when he was vice-president . . . actually set up Saddam Hussein, actually backed him, actually put him in power".
More lies. Bush wasn't elected vice-president until 1981, two years after Saddam, long Iraq's true boss, made himself president.
Then we're told Bush Sr "armed and financed Saddam", sending biological materials for weapons to "Saddam's military laboratories", while Bechtel built "the factories that would enable Saddam to produce WMDs" -- biological and chemical weapons.
The truth to this popular lie? As a US Senate inquiry found, America's Centers for Disease Control and the non-profit American Type Culture Collection did send Iraq biological materials in the 1980s, thinking they would be used there as they were in other countries - to develop treatments for animal and human diseases.
These were sent not to "military laboratories", but mostly to universities and health officials, who secretly passed on some to scientists working on Iraq's WMD. You know, on the weapons this same film also claims "never" existed.
United Nations weapons inspectors have said the US officials responsible were simply "naive", and no evidence suggests any worse.
As for Bechtel, it won a bid to build two legitimate petro-chemical plants in Iraq that could have made by-products used in mustard or nerve gas. But Iraq's 1990 invasion of Kuwait cut short Bechtel's work.
Nor did the US "arm" Saddam. The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute found more than 80 per cent of the weapons Iraq imported from 1973 to 2002 came from the three nations which tried hardest to save Saddam -- Russia, France and China. Germany was also the biggest supplier to Iraq's chemical weapons program, say UN records.
US "arms sales" to Iraq amounted to just four helicopters two decades ago -- all sold to private buyers, but seized by Iraq's military.
Also, see this link:
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:QYCDY4KeWy0J:blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/what_weapons_of_mass_destruction/asc/P0+%22andrew+bolt%22+sipri&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3 (http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:QYCDY4KeWy0J:blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/what_weapons_of_mass_destruction/asc/P0+%22andrew+bolt%22+sipri&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3)
Please feel free to conduct some further research into this, RN. Particularly note the influence of the UN, The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute and a US Senate Inquiry in the above evidence. You will find they all support the facts given above, not your abhorrent lies concerning the actions of the US during this period. Do you agree that these three bodies have acted honestly and presented the facts for our consideration? Look and see.
The question we other board members need to ask ourselves is this: for what reason would a person actually be willing to believe such outright deceit and falsity?
And herein lays the answer:
And you're absolutely right on the central point: I want us to lose. Did you think I would deny it - or be embarrassed by the accusation? Far from it.
You're god-damned right I want us to lose.
You have ulterior motives here, my friend. You hate the US and everything it stands for, so you will believe the utmost worst, no matter what the evidence suggests. Beware – board - people that will deliberately buy into such fantasies. Be able to notice the difference between members that are interested in seeking the truth, and those that stake their reputation in the growing fantasies, deceptions and outright lies.
We both condemn terrorism. The only difference between us is that I think people with brown skin count and you don't.
Do you, then why is it these 'brown skin' people, as you so simplistically address them, not deserve you to speak the truth of their demise? The reality is you have let your bias against the US cloud your better judgement, and condemned yourself to just another left-wing ideologue.
Ribonucleic, you have a lot to answer for. I await your response.
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"The truth to this popular lie? As a US Senate inquiry found, America's Centers for Disease Control and the non-profit American Type Culture Collection did send Iraq biological materials in the 1980s, thinking they would be used there as they were in other countries - to develop treatments for animal and human diseases. "
What disease cure would they be looking for with mustard gas?
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"The truth to this popular lie? As a US Senate inquiry found, America's Centers for Disease Control and the non-profit American Type Culture Collection did send Iraq biological materials in the 1980s, thinking they would be used there as they were in other countries - to develop treatments for animal and human diseases. "
What disease cure would they be looking for with mustard gas?
Good try, 240 - please read these in depth reports and tell me where mustard gas was sent by the US to Iraq. Or, no doubt, you will apologise for this falsity, and others you have told regarding this issue.
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Good try, 240 - please read these in depth reports and tell me where mustard gas was sent by the US to Iraq. Or, no doubt, you will apologise for this falsity, and others you have told regarding this issue.
Can you list these falsities?
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Can you list these falsities?
Excuse me? You want me to prove something that hasn't happened? You're a fool.
Care to address my above post regarding your allegations that the US provided Saddam with chemical and biological weapons?
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Excuse me? You want me to prove something that hasn't happened? You're a fool.
I asked you to list the quotes i have made which were false regarding the US selling chem weapons to iraq.
Can ... you... list... the falsities I have stated?
Good try, 240 - please read these in depth reports and tell me where mustard gas was sent by the US to Iraq. Or, no doubt, you will apologise for this falsity, and others you have told regarding this issue.
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You're a fool.
BTW, you called me a fool after you misunderstood my question. Kinda a foolish thing to do.
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I asked you to list the quotes i have made which were false regarding the US selling chem weapons to iraq.
Can ... you... list... the falsities I have stated?
When the small group that investigates 911 has the most to benefit from it and most involvement in the anomalies of that day - that makes it an inside job. i dont wanna oargue semantics for 6 hours when your mind is already set. why waste the time?
And as far as doubting we sold WMD to Iraq in the 80s, just type it into google and find 5 other sources. your mind is already made up now.
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I don't feel like digging thru hundreds of pages of documents to find one line you'll debate. CBS and others all reported it. Are they all wrong?
Can you deliver one thing that says CBS was wrong about us selling WMD to Iraq? CBS mkaing that up would be the story of the decade, ya know.
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I have stuff to do, don't want to waste three hours debating what is widely known.
If I post the same report from other media sources, will you consider it credible?
From my experiences here, I could post the same story from multiple sources, and people here believed that CBS, NBC, CNN and ABC all "made up the story" because they hate Bush. They're that blind to information - they believe that anything that isn't on FOXnews.com is a lie. Seriously. So you understand my apprehension.
Please give me a number of sources which say the US sold WMD to Iraq that would cause you to believe the story. 2? 5? 10? 25? (keeping in mind with each add'l article you require, you are requiring the previous number of media reports to be lies)
There you are, clever guy. Care to deal with the facts now?
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There you are, clever guy. Care to deal with the facts now?
Sure man.
CBS) Newly released documents show that U.S. officials, including Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, played a leading role in building up Iraq's military in the 1980s when Iraq was using chemical weapons, a newspaper reports.
It was Rumsfeld, now defense secretary and then a special presidential envoy, whose December 1983 meeting with Saddam Hussein led to the normalization of ties between Washington and Baghdad, according to the Washington Post.
The cozy relationship was an effort to build a regional bulwark against America's enemies in Iran.
The newspaper says a review of a large tranche of government documents reveals that the administrations of President Reagan and the first President Bush both authorized providing Iraq with intelligence and logistical support, and okayed the sale of dual use items — those with military and civilian applications — that included chemicals and germs, even anthrax and bubonic plague.
At the same time, there were multiple reports Iraq was using chemical weapons to repulse the Iranian advance; one State Department official told Secretary of State George Shultz that Iraq was engaging in "almost daily use of (chemical weapons)" against Iranian troops.
This policy led to several Rumsfeld visits to Baghdad, as a private citizen working as a presidential envoy.
Congressional investigations after the Gulf War revealed that the Commerce Department had licensed sales of biological agents, including anthrax, and insecticides, which could be used in chemical weapons, to Iraq.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/31/world/main534798.shtml
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Sure man.
CBS) Newly released documents show that U.S. officials, including Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, played a leading role in building up Iraq's military in the 1980s when Iraq was using chemical weapons, a newspaper reports.
It was Rumsfeld, now defense secretary and then a special presidential envoy, whose December 1983 meeting with Saddam Hussein led to the normalization of ties between Washington and Baghdad, according to the Washington Post.
The cozy relationship was an effort to build a regional bulwark against America's enemies in Iran.
The newspaper says a review of a large tranche of government documents reveals that the administrations of President Reagan and the first President Bush both authorized providing Iraq with intelligence and logistical support, and okayed the sale of dual use items — those with military and civilian applications — that included chemicals and germs, even anthrax and bubonic plague.
At the same time, there were multiple reports Iraq was using chemical weapons to repulse the Iranian advance; one State Department official told Secretary of State George Shultz that Iraq was engaging in "almost daily use of (chemical weapons)" against Iranian troops.
This policy led to several Rumsfeld visits to Baghdad, as a private citizen working as a presidential envoy.
Congressional investigations after the Gulf War revealed that the Commerce Department had licensed sales of biological agents, including anthrax, and insecticides, which could be used in chemical weapons, to Iraq.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/31/world/main534798.shtml
Erm, have I not just proven CBS, along with you, to be incorrect? Did you read any of my post?
Oh, by the way - you didn't think I'd find that, did you?
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Erm, have I not just proven CBS, along with you, to be incorrect? Did you read any of my post?
Oh, by the way - you didn't think I'd find that, did you?
Are you saying you've proven CBS wrong by posting the article written by the Australian writer for an Australian Newspaper?
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Are you saying you've proven CBS wrong by posting the article written by the Australian writer for an Australian Newspaper?
No, I'm saying they're wrong based on reports from the US Senate, The UN and The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (heard of any of these?).
Can you now refute any of the facts presented??
Anyone??
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Are you saying you've proven CBS wrong by posting the article written by the Australian writer for an Australian Newspaper?
That's awesome that one guy in another country can completely discredit one of our American news agencies.
Hey, there are a whole lot of writers which say 911 was an inside job. Can they discredit CBS, FOX, and NBC too? Or is this ability only good when it benefits you?
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No, I'm saying they're wrong based on reports from the US Senate, The UN and The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (heard of any of these?).
Can you now refute any of the facts presented??
Anyone??
Congressional investigations after the Gulf War revealed that the Commerce Department had licensed sales of biological agents, including anthrax, and insecticides, which could be used in chemical weapons, to Iraq.
Senate vs. Congress, huh?
Sounds like an internet struggle.
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Congressional investigations after the Gulf War revealed that the Commerce Department had licensed sales of biological agents, including anthrax, and insecticides, which could be used in chemical weapons, to Iraq.
Senate vs. Congress, huh?
Sounds like an internet struggle.
Post some proof, or be quiet.
Refute my facts, or be quiet.
You're losing this badly.
Notice your friend, Ribonucleic, is yet to make an appearance?
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Yawn. Reagan sold anthrax and bubonic to iraq:
The newspaper says a review of a large tranche of government documents reveals that the administrations of President Reagan and the first President Bush both authorized providing Iraq with intelligence and logistical support, and okayed the sale of dual use items — those with military and civilian applications — that included chemicals and germs, even anthrax and bubonic plague.
I know you love the guy, and no one's perfect, but come on, dude. Bubonic plague? LOL
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Yawn. Reagan sold anthrax and bubonic to iraq:
The newspaper says a review of a large tranche of government documents reveals that the administrations of President Reagan and the first President Bush both authorized providing Iraq with intelligence and logistical support, and okayed the sale of dual use items — those with military and civilian applications — that included chemicals and germs, even anthrax and bubonic plague.
I know you love the guy, and no one's perfect, but come on, dude. Bubonic plague? LOL
You keep quoting newspapers with no facts, and I'll keep brining the facts right to your doorstep, okay?
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You keep quoting newspapers with no facts, and I'll keep brining the facts right to your doorstep, okay?
Did Congress lie then? And CBS?
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Did Congress lie then? And CBS?
Congress? Show me the facts and what was said.
CBS? Undoubtedly.
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No, I'm saying they're wrong based on reports from the US Senate, The UN and The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (heard of any of these?).
Can you now refute any of the facts presented??
Anyone??
Why so hostile Brucey? All I did was ask a question. Are you letting this fued with 240 turn you prissy?
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Why so hostile Brucey? All I did was ask a question. Are you letting this fued with 240 turn you prissy?
It was a simple question, not intended to sound hostile, rather, tongue-in-cheek. I apologise if you interpreted it as such.
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It was a simple question, not intended to sound hostile, rather, tongue-in-cheek. I apologise if you interpreted it as such.
Perhaps I'm just reading your posts wrong but It seems you're letting 240 get under your skin. No matter though.
I have a question regarding the Senate inquiry, do you have a copy of the official findings? Did you read them somewhere?
Also, I don't give much credence to the UN, they've shown time and time again that they're not to be trusted with what little power they have.
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Perhaps I'm just reading your posts wrong but It seems you're letting 240 get under your skin. No matter though.
I have a question regarding the Senate inquiry, do you have a copy of the official findings? Did you read them somewhere?
Also, I don't give much credence to the UN, they've shown time and time again that they're not to be trusted with what little power they have.
I can definitely get this for you, and fully intend to post it when I'm not stuck at work, to demonstrate my argument even further. Notice Ribonucleic has not shown his face here?
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I can definitely get this for you, and fully intend to post it when I'm not stuck at work, to demonstrate my argument even further. Notice Ribonucleic has not shown his face here?
I'm in the other thread, patiently waiting for this devastating evidence of yours. [Funny, the Bush administration is always slow in getting its evidence together too. ;D]
Oh, and if you're interested in undermining rather than reinforcing your reputation as a right-wing zombie, I'd suggest bolstering your arguments with sources that haven't been paid for by Rupert Murdoch.
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"The truth to this popular lie? As a US Senate inquiry found, America's Centers for Disease Control and the non-profit American Type Culture Collection did send Iraq biological materials in the 1980s, thinking they would be used there as they were in other countries - to develop treatments for animal and human diseases. "
What disease cure would they be looking for with mustard gas?
hahahaha
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I'm in the other thread, patiently waiting for this devastating evidence of yours. [Funny, the Bush administration is always slow in getting its evidence together too. ;D]
Oh, and if you're interested in undermining rather than reinforcing your reputation as a right-wing zombie, I'd suggest bolstering your arguments with sources that haven't been paid for by Rupert Murdoch.
Good to see you found us, finally!
Whoops inaccuracies again, though, please demonstrate to me that I am 'Right-Wing' as you note.
Also, any chance of you refuting any of the facts, rather than slinging irrelevant quips such as:
reinforcing your reputation as a right-wing zombie, I'd suggest bolstering your arguments with sources that haven't been paid for by Rupert Murdoch.
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One time I was going thru mustard gas withdrawl, and the doc didn't know what to do. but then we found some mustard gas and I ate it and I felt so much better.
I am so glad that mustard gas can be purcahsed for times like these.
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One time I was going thru mustard gas withdrawl, and the doc didn't know what to do. but then we found some mustard gas and I ate it and I felt so much better.
I am so glad that mustard gas can be purcahsed for times like these.
240..stop trying to downplay the heroic duty our brave soldiers are putting forth in their fight for the protection of the Iraqi people. That is,after all,their main goal. ::)
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240..stop trying to downplay the heroic duty our brave soldiers are putting forth in their fight for the protection of the Iraqi people. That is,after all,their main goal. ::)
Sorry. I just changed my oil. Wasn't thinking clearly.
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Recently, Ribonucleic has made posts on this board alleging that the US was partly responsible for the mass murder of Kurds in Northern Iraq, orchestrated by Saddam Hussein’s evil regime. His reasoning behind this was that The United States sold Iraq chemical weapons during this period, with full knowledge they would be used as such – the purpose of this post is to prove that this is, in fact false. RN’s posts are as follows (others, including 240, have also made such accusations):
Interesting accusations. Unfortunately for our poor-researched cohort, he is badly mistaken, please read on.
Below is an article written by Australian journalist Andrew Bolt in response to similar claims made on his website - Andrew has happily emailed me this information this morning, and I thank him for it:
The living, too. One "expert" then says, without contradiction, that "George Bush (the father), when he was vice-president . . . actually set up Saddam Hussein, actually backed him, actually put him in power".
More lies. Bush wasn't elected vice-president until 1981, two years after Saddam, long Iraq's true boss, made himself president.
Then we're told Bush Sr "armed and financed Saddam", sending biological materials for weapons to "Saddam's military laboratories", while Bechtel built "the factories that would enable Saddam to produce WMDs" -- biological and chemical weapons.
The truth to this popular lie? As a US Senate inquiry found, America's Centers for Disease Control and the non-profit American Type Culture Collection did send Iraq biological materials in the 1980s, thinking they would be used there as they were in other countries - to develop treatments for animal and human diseases.
These were sent not to "military laboratories", but mostly to universities and health officials, who secretly passed on some to scientists working on Iraq's WMD. You know, on the weapons this same film also claims "never" existed.
United Nations weapons inspectors have said the US officials responsible were simply "naive", and no evidence suggests any worse.
As for Bechtel, it won a bid to build two legitimate petro-chemical plants in Iraq that could have made by-products used in mustard or nerve gas. But Iraq's 1990 invasion of Kuwait cut short Bechtel's work.
Nor did the US "arm" Saddam. The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute found more than 80 per cent of the weapons Iraq imported from 1973 to 2002 came from the three nations which tried hardest to save Saddam -- Russia, France and China. Germany was also the biggest supplier to Iraq's chemical weapons program, say UN records.
US "arms sales" to Iraq amounted to just four helicopters two decades ago -- all sold to private buyers, but seized by Iraq's military.
Also, see this link:
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:QYCDY4KeWy0J:blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/what_weapons_of_mass_destruction/asc/P0+%22andrew+bolt%22+sipri&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3 (http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:QYCDY4KeWy0J:blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/what_weapons_of_mass_destruction/asc/P0+%22andrew+bolt%22+sipri&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3)
Please feel free to conduct some further research into this, RN. Particularly note the influence of the UN, The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute and a US Senate Inquiry in the above evidence. You will find they all support the facts given above, not your abhorrent lies concerning the actions of the US during this period. Do you agree that these three bodies have acted honestly and presented the facts for our consideration? Look and see.
The question we other board members need to ask ourselves is this: for what reason would a person actually be willing to believe such outright deceit and falsity?
And herein lays the answer:
You have ulterior motives here, my friend. You hate the US and everything it stands for, so you will believe the utmost worst, no matter what the evidence suggests. Beware – board - people that will deliberately buy into such fantasies. Be able to notice the difference between members that are interested in seeking the truth, and those that stake their reputation in the growing fantasies, deceptions and outright lies.
Do you, then why is it these 'brown skin' people, as you so simplistically address them, not deserve you to speak the truth of their demise? The reality is you have let your bias against the US cloud your better judgement, and condemned yourself to just another left-wing ideologue.
Ribonucleic, you have a lot to answer for. I await your response.
Ouch. Thanks for posting this. A number of people have stated, as fact, that we provided the WMDs that Saddam used on the Kurds. I've always just accepted it as fact. :-\ Silly me
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One time I was going thru mustard gas withdrawl, and the doc didn't know what to do. but then we found some mustard gas and I ate it and I felt so much better.
I am so glad that mustard gas can be purcahsed for times like these.
What do you know about USA sending Mustard Gas to Iraq?
-Hedge
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September, 1980. Iraq invades Iran. The beginning of the Iraq-Iran war. [8]
February, 1982. Despite objections from congress, President Reagan removes Iraq from its list of known terrorist countries. [1]
December, 1982. Hughes Aircraft ships 60 Defender helicopters to Iraq. [9]
1982-1988. Defense Intelligence Agency provides detailed information for Iraq on Iranian deployments, tactical planning for battles, plans for air strikes and bomb damage assessments. [4]
November, 1983. A National Security Directive states that the U.S would do "whatever was necessary and legal" to prevent Iraq from losing its war with Iran. [1] & [15]
November, 1983. Banca Nazionale del Lavoro of Italy and its Branch in Atlanta begin to funnel $5 billion in unreported loans to Iraq. Iraq, with the blessing and official approval of the US government, purchased computer controlled machine tools, computers, scientific instruments, special alloy steel and aluminum, chemicals, and other industrial goods for Iraq's missile, chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs. [14]
October, 1983. The Reagan Administration begins secretly allowing Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Egypt to transfer United States weapons, including Howitzers, Huey helicopters, and bombs to Iraq. These shipments violated the Arms Export Control Act. [16]
November 1983. George Schultz, the Secretary of State, is given intelligence reports showing that Iraqi troops are daily using chemical weapons against the Iranians. [1]
December 20, 1983. Donald Rumsfeld , then a civilian and now Defense Secretary, meets with Saddam Hussein to assure him of US friendship and materials support. [1] & [15]
July, 1984. CIA begins giving Iraq intelligence necessary to calibrate its mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops. [19]
January 14, 1984. State Department memo acknowledges United States shipment of "dual-use" export hardware and technology. Dual use items are civilian items such as heavy trucks, armored ambulances and communications gear as well as industrial technology that can have a military application. [2]
March, 1986. The United States with Great Britain block all Security Council resolutions condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons, and on March 21 the US becomes the only country refusing to sign a Security Council statement condemning Iraq's use of these weapons. [10]
May, 1986. The US Department of Commerce licenses 70 biological exports to Iraq between May of 1985 and 1989, including at least 21 batches of lethal strains of anthrax. [3]
May, 1986. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade botulin poison to Iraq. [7]
March, 1987. President Reagan bows to the findings of the Tower Commission admitting the sale of arms to Iran in exchange for hostages. Oliver North uses the profits from the sale to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua. [17]
Late 1987. The Iraqi Air Force begins using chemical agents against Kurdish resistance forces in northern Iraq. [1]
February, 1988. Saddam Hussein begins the "Anfal" campaign against the Kurds of northern Iraq. The Iraq regime used chemical weapons against the Kurds killing over 100,000 civilians and destroying over 1,200 Kurdish villages. [8]
April, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of chemicals used in manufacture of mustard gas. [7]
August, 1988. Four major battles were fought from April to August 1988, in which the Iraqis massively and effectively used chemical weapons to defeat the Iranians. Nerve gas and blister agents such as mustard gas are used. By this time the US Defense Intelligence Agency is heavily involved with Saddam Hussein in battle plan assistance, intelligence gathering and post battle debriefing. In the last major battle with of the war, 65,000 Iranians are killed, many with poison gas. Use of chemical weapons in war is in violation of the Geneva accords of 1925. [6] & [13]
August, 1988. Iraq and Iran declare a cease fire. [8]
August, 1988. Five days after the cease fire Saddam Hussein sends his planes and helicopters to northern Iraq to begin massive chemical attacks against the Kurds. [8]
September, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade anthrax and botulinum to Iraq. [7]
September, 1988. Richard Murphy, Assistant Secretary of State: "The US-Iraqi relationship is... important to our long-term political and economic objectives." [15]
December, 1988. Dow chemical sells $1.5 million in pesticides to Iraq despite knowledge that these would be used in chemical weapons. [1]
July 25, 1990. US Ambassador to Baghdad meets with Hussein to assure him that President Bush "wanted better and deeper relations". Many believe this visit was a trap set for Hussein. A month later Hussein invaded Kuwait thinking the US would not respond. [12]
August, 1990 Iraq invades Kuwait. The precursor to the Gulf War. [8]
July, 1991 The Financial Times of London reveals that a Florida chemical company had produced and shipped cyanide to Iraq during the 80's using a special CIA courier. Cyanide was used extensively against the Iranians. [11]
August, 1991. Christopher Droguol of Atlanta's branch of Banca Nazionale del Lavoro is arrested for his role in supplying loans to Iraq for the purchase of military supplies. He is charged with 347 counts of felony. Droguol is found guilty, but US officials plead innocent of any knowledge of his crime. [14]
June, 1992. Ted Kopple of ABC Nightline reports: "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush Sr., operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980's, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into [an aggressive power]." [5]
July, 1992. "The Bush administration deliberately, not inadvertently, helped to arm Iraq by allowing U.S. technology to be shipped to Iraqi military and to Iraqi defense factories... Throughout the course of the Bush administration, U.S. and foreign firms were granted export licenses to ship U.S. technology directly to Iraqi weapons facilities despite ample evidence showing that these factories were producing weapons." Representative Henry Gonzalez, Texas, testimony before the House. [18]
February, 1994. Senator Riegle from Michigan, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, testifies before the senate revealing large US shipments of dual-use biological and chemical agents to Iraq that may have been used against US troops in the Gulf War and probably was the cause of the illness known as Gulf War Syndrome. [7]
August, 2002. "The use of gas [during the Iran-Iraq war] on the battle field by the Iraqis was not a matter of deep strategic concern... We were desperate to make sure that Iraq did not lose". Colonel Walter Lang, former senior US Defense Intelligence officer tells the New York Times. [4]
This chronology of the United States' sordid involvement in the arming of Iraq can be summarized in this way: The United States used methods both legal and illegal to help build Saddam's army into the most powerful army in the Mideast outside of Israel. The US supplied chemical and biological agents and technology to Iraq when it knew Iraq was using chemical weapons against the Iranians. The US supplied the materials and technology for these weapons of mass destruction to Iraq at a time when it was know that Saddam was using this technology to kill his Kurdish citizens. The United States supplied intelligence and battle planning information to Iraq when those battle plans included the use of cyanide, mustard gas and nerve agents. The United States blocked UN censure of Iraq's use of chemical weapons. The United States did not act alone in this effort. The Soviet Union was the largest weapons supplier, but England, France and Germany were also involved in the shipment of arms and technology.
References:
1. Washingtonpost.com. December 30, 2002
2. Jonathan Broder. Nuclear times, Winter 1990-91
3. Kurt Nimno. AlterNet. September 23, 2002
4. Newyorktimes.com. August 29, 2002
5. ABC Nightline. June9, 1992
6. Counter Punch, October 10, 2002
7. Riegle Report: Dual Use Exports. Senate Committee on Banking. May 25, 1994
8. Timeline: A walk Through Iraq's History. U.S. Department of State
9. Doing Business: The Arming of Iraq. Daniel Robichear
10. Glen Rangwala. Labor Left Briefing, 16 September, 2002
11. Financial Times of London. July 3, 1991
12. Elson E. Boles. Counter Punch. October 10, 2002
13. Iran-Iraq War, 1980-1988. Iranchamber.com
14. Columbia Journalism Review. March/April 1993. Iraqgate
15. Times Online. December 31, 2002. How U.S. Helped Iraq Build Deadly Arsenal
16. Bush's Secret Mission. The New Yorker Magazine. November 2, 1992
17. Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia: Iran-Contra Affair
18. Congressional Record. July 27, 1992. Representative Henry B. Gonzalez
19. Bob Woodward. CIA Aiding Iraq in Gulf War. Washington Post. 15 December, 1986
20. Case Study: The Anfal Campaign. www.gendercide.com
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/arming_iraq.php
Hope this helps. :)
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July, 1992. "The Bush administration deliberately, not inadvertently, helped to arm Iraq by allowing U.S. technology to be shipped to Iraqi military and to Iraqi defense factories... Throughout the course of the Bush administration, U.S. and foreign firms were granted export licenses to ship U.S. technology directly to Iraqi weapons facilities despite ample evidence showing that these factories were producing weapons." Representative Henry Gonzalez, Texas, testimony before the House. [18]
And this after the Gulf War.. :-\ Wonder what our Aussie friend has to say about this?
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And this after the Gulf War.. :-\ Wonder what our Aussie friend has to say about this?
I'm sure we'll hear from him after he finishes arguing with someone else how global warming is hype. ::)
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I'm sure we'll hear from him after he finishes arguing with someone else how global warming is hype. ::)
I'm back, RN. And I'd love the opportunity to debate you (granted, in another thread) regarding Global Warming hype - or for that matter, any political issue.
As for your 'facts' below regarding the US/Iraq issue, it's a matter of your sources versus mine, which I'll again remind everyone of:
- The UN
- The US Senate
- The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute
Please, everyone reading this, consider the facts I have presented here, and do further research into this abhorrent Leftist claim.