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in the US? How do my tax dollars end up paying for kids that aren't here legally, either by citizenship or Visa? Can someone explain that to me?
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in the US? How do my tax dollars end up paying for kids that aren't here legally, either by citizenship or Visa? Can someone explain that to me?
Whether you want 'them' or not, 'they' do live here.
And whether you realize it or not, you and your tax dollars benefit from having a better educated populace and workforce here in this country.
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Whether you want 'them' or not, 'they' do live here.
And whether you realize it or not, you and your tax dollars benefit from having a better educated populace and workforce here in this country.
So my tax dollars should go to teach non English speakers how to speak and ruin public school systems by slowing the learning process down to accomodate these people. How about funds for college. Is that fair to pay for them when legal citizens cannot afford it?
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At the risk of compromising my liberal scum credentials, I'll volunteer that benefits for illegals has never made a lick of sense to me either.
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At the risk of compromising my liberal scum credentials, I'll volunteer that benefits for illegals has never made a lick of sense to me either.
We want 'them' to be educated, so that 'they' will get real jobs and start their own businesses instead of using crime to earn a living.
We also need to make certain that 'they' can receive health care, so that 'they' will seek treatment when necessary. We cannot afford to allow a diseased immigrant to start any sort of epidemic here. Basic and preventative care cost only pennies in comparison to what we'd have to pay otherwise.
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Beats me.. Illegals should not be admitted into public school systems.
In some NYC highschools some hispanic kids don't even know any english and they don't have to, as they're accommodated by courses in spanish. ::)
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We want 'them' to be educated, so that 'they' will get real jobs and start their own businesses instead of using crime to earn a living.
We also need to make certain that 'they' can receive health care, so that 'they' will seek treatment when necessary. We cannot afford to allow a diseased immigrant to start any sort of epidemic here. Basic and preventative care cost only pennies in comparison to what we'd have to pay otherwise.
Interesting perspective, and well said.
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We want 'them' to be educated, so that 'they' will get real jobs and start their own businesses instead of using crime to earn a living.
Then focus doing that for the model immigrants, such as Indians and Asians. I don't see any programs that are out to help these people, but what I do see is english almost becoming a second language because of hispanics and affirmative action for hispanics.
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We want 'them' to be educated, so that 'they' will get real jobs and start their own businesses instead of using crime to earn a living.
We also need to make certain that 'they' can receive health care, so that 'they' will seek treatment when necessary. We cannot afford to allow a diseased immigrant to start any sort of epidemic here. Basic and preventative care cost only pennies in comparison to what we'd have to pay otherwise.
Nope. No health care when regular citizens don't get it. No way bud. Epidemic? Maybe more illegal babies that I have to feed.
Beats me.. Illegals should not be admitted into public school systems.
In some NYC highschools some hispanic kids don't even know any english and they don't have to, as they're accommodated by courses in spanish. ::)
That shit pisses me off to no end.
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At the risk of compromising my liberal scum credentials, I'll volunteer that benefits for illegals has never made a lick of sense to me either.
I think your "liberal scum credentials" are well in tact. :D
Sorry. That was too easy. :)
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I think your "liberal scum credentials" are well in tact. :D
Sorry. That was too easy. :)
I understand. When someone feeds you the ball under the hoop, you gotta dunk!
That's what the fans pay to see! :)
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I understand. When someone feeds you the ball under the hoop, you gotta dunk!
That's what the fans pay to see! :)
That's what I'm talking about! We keep recruiting 7 footers at the Univ. of Hawaii who cannot (or are afraid to) dunk. I HATE those guys. :)
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Beats me.. Illegals should not be admitted into public school systems.
In some NYC highschools some hispanic kids don't even know any english and they don't have to, as they're accommodated by courses in spanish. ::)
I do not support any 'bilingual education' initiatives. Spanish is a beautiful language, but not in English Lit class.
I also disagree with the U.S. military's policy of allowing non-English speakers into the military.
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I also disagree with the U.S. military's policy of allowing non-English speakers into the military.
People who can't speak English?? lol
They're so desperate for warm bodies that they're going to start letting in people who can't speak period.
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Maybe more illegal babies that I have to feed.
There are two major reasons why you want them fed:
1) Hungry people cannot be productive.
2) The welfare state increases the ability of the 'haves' to remain that way.
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We want 'them' to be educated, so that 'they' will get real jobs and start their own businesses instead of using crime to earn a living.
We also need to make certain that 'they' can receive health care, so that 'they' will seek treatment when necessary. We cannot afford to allow a diseased immigrant to start any sort of epidemic here. Basic and preventative care cost only pennies in comparison to what we'd have to pay otherwise.
I think the most intelligent thing would be if USA toughened up its policy at the Mexico border while at the same time increased the resources spent on those illegals already in the USA and in the schools, trying to make them as productive units as possible.
Targeted efforts are needed to direct the problem with Spanish-speaking neighborhoods in the USA, no question about it. Those growing up there are very likely to become handicapped, due to not being able to speak English properly.
-Hedge
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There are two major reasons why you want them fed:
1) Hungry people cannot be productive.
2) The welfare state increases the ability of the 'haves' to remain that way.
If we do not allow the businesses to pay under the table, there is no incentive to hire them. How is it this country got along fine when we didn't have this many illegal immigrants here? No language but English should ever be instructed outside of a language class and these people should be citizens to get my money. They do not deserve money from a system they do not pay into and don't give me this bullshit about sales tax and apt living taxes. An apt taxes is nowhere near property tax on a house. It's because of accomodations to these fuckers that test scores go down and LEGAL residents have fucked up public education.
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ID. everyone who enters the public schools. Mommy & daddy jumped the fence? No birthCert?
1) No class 2) Send their ass back to their country of origin. School costs & health care for these rats are eating us alive!
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ID. everyone who enters the public schools. Mommy & daddy jumped the fence? No birthCert?
1) No class 2) Send their ass back to their country of origin. School costs & health care for these rats are eating us alive!
Yea buddy!! For sure dude, it's ridiculous. Imagine how much money we would save.
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My mom teaches at a school where a good portion of the staff do nothing but try to teach many of the kids english. This happens all over. Money that hsould go to educating americans are being wasted on these kids who shouldn't be here in the first place. The costs are staggering.
Is it better that they be educated in the long run? Probably, but that is a different issue. If our government would at least make an honest attempt to enforce its laws regarding the border this problem would not be so epidemic.
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the whole situation stinks like beans!!! I agree with the majority here. I'm sick and tired of working my ass off, while some greaseball that doesn't even speak english is getting shit handed to him, because poor Pedro jumped the fence because his own country sucks. I don't care, don't come here looking for a hand out!! Ohh....wait...these are the hard working illegals that do the jobs no one wants...bullfuckinshit!!!!!!!!! someone did that job before that fucker came over here and drove down the wages!!!! you bastards shouldn't get me started ;D ... I've lived in so-cal all my life and Ive only seen it get worse, they do whatever they want, like they know the law won't touch them. they need to be picked up at random and shipped the fuck out of here!!! >:(
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We need the Amazing racist to drop these fuckers off at INS.
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one of the funniest videos ever made!!!
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Geting a legal visa to the USA is no easy thing. Long ass wait. Rewarding these criminals for fence jumping
is wrong. Liberal scum that aprove of this ought to foot the bill for them in full. Hell, send them to Harvard!
Oh- I forgot most liberals work for the Govt to start with. YOu dont pay taxes you are Taxes!
Just print the money. Its nearly green toilet paper allready. We all doomed.
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The bigotry being displayed here is incredible, but not all that surprising.
I do have to agree with you guys on one issue, though, and that's the fact that illegal immigrants can get mortgage loans without having any established credit history. Banks like Wells Fargo will now qualify you for a home loan with a very favorable interest rate and the only things you need to prove your creditworthiness are rent and utilities receipts...but you only qualify for these programs if you are a NON-citizen.
Back when you were teenagers, you'd find an old bum to buy you beer and cigarettes from the convenience store.
Now that you're in your 20s or 30s, though, you have to find an illegal immigrant to go into the bank to get you a loan.
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the "bigotry" being displayed here is American citizens acting out in frustration of what has become of our great land. With all this political correct bullshit going on you can't even stand up for yourself without being labeled a bigot or racist. Sure I make racist comments, almost everyone does regardless of race, so what? Why should I be held accountable when Pepe or Juan or Shaniqua make racist remarks about whites and it seems it is supposed to be accepted by the general public? Case in point Long Beach CA 9 black teenagers CONVICTED of a HATE CRIME, beating 3 white girls with skateboards, get probation. If the roles were reversed and whites got probation, every jungle bunny in a 50 mile radius would riot. Don't give me any shit about the past either, it's supposed to equal NOW, remember.
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ya can't criticize the war without being called un-american or a traitor.
you can't question the obvious holes in the 9/11 story, you can't quesiton the WMD story, you can't question Bush's intentions with Iran.
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ya can't criticize the war without being called un-american or a traitor.
you can't question the obvious holes in the 9/11 story, you can't quesiton the WMD story, you can't question Bush's intentions with Iran.
??? wtf does that have to do with illegal immigration or racism? :-*
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the "bigotry" being displayed here is American citizens acting out in frustration of what has become of our great land. With all this political correct bullshit going on you can't even stand up for yourself without being labeled a bigot or racist.
Well, I was actually being nice when I said you guys are bigots.
The reality is that you're just plain stupid if you think it's a good idea NOT to educate the people that live and work in 'your' country.
Back in the day, Americans were taught common sense.
We need to take America back from you idiots, not from the immigrants.
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Tre; stoping people from picking my pockets is NOT BIGOTRY! I feel your trying to play a not so subtle race card here, and it has nothing to do w/ the issue. I feel the same way about White ILLEGALS
as I do about any other color ILLEGALS. They are all costing us a tremendous amt of tax $s!!!!
If you feel so generous YOU support them! And -the White ones from Europe too while your at it.
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The president keeps stating that the immigrants are doing jobs that Americans won't do.
He skirts over the fact that you would have to work 2 or 3 of those jobs just to make ends meet.
He is all for immigrant registration/work program for illegals. The reason why, of course is big business no longer wants to pay living wages, healthcare costs or pension/retirement funds. You just replace your workforce with those willingly break the laws and the govt. looks the other way.
Unfortunately, you can't send back the illegals that have been here for generations or are productive to our society....or, if illegals of all nations were scooped up and sent home, what would happen to the economy?
Sandra
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The president keeps stating that the immigrants are doing jobs that Americans won't do.
He skirts over the fact that you would have to work 2 or 3 of those jobs just to make ends meet.
He is all for immigrant registration/work program for illegals. The reason why, of course is big business no longer wants to pay living wages, healthcare costs or pension/retirement funds. You just replace your workforce with those willingly break the laws and the govt. looks the other way.
Unfortunately, you can't send back the illegals that have been here for generations or are productive to our society....or, if illegals of all nations were scooped up and sent home, what would happen to the economy?
Sandra
Prices for goods would rise with the wages, we would pay more for goods but more money would go into the economy and those bastards would take less of my money and those of us who pay for health insurance and other things can actually benefit from them. Those illegal bastards should get no health care or Social Security.
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Prices for goods would rise with the wages, we would pay more for goods but more money would go into the economy and those bastards would take less of my money and those of us who pay for health insurance and other things can actually benefit from them. Those illegal bastards should get no health care or Social Security.
What town were you raised in?
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Tre: Did you grow up in public housing, or with a silver spoon?
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Remember -
Bush likes to talk about things, but never fixes them. lots of starts, no finishes.
911 Commission recommendations never started.
Iraqi Commission recommendations never considered.
border fence? started a month before election, abandoned shortly after.
Afghanistan- started then pulled men out for a running stalemate.
Iraq- won early on, then stalemated for 3 years now with no change in men size/troop strength on horizon other than inflationary troop level rises.
No offense kids, but Bush hasn't got shit done. Started lots of things with chest thumping and roar. but nothing ever gets finished. And everytime you shit on kerry or Gore for "they wouldn't have done this or that", remember that you're dealing in hypotheticals. your man Bush had blank check and green light and control of congress for 6 years - and hasn't gotten shit done.
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240s got a brain that works. No easy answers here. We seeN friends hurt. Physical & other. I seen it before., Just a replay, diff "Theater" as the Generals call it. WTFs a Theater? This shit Aint no play, Real as it gets. Would Gore or Kerry have fucked it up worse? Hows about HillY C?
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What town were you raised in?
I think the people that are here illegally should be granted amnesty, but the borders should be shut closed. It would too much of a hassel to send these people back, and a lot of them do work hard. However, I'm tired of them not learning english and having to "press 1 for english." I'm also sick of them protesting on the streets claiming racism and waving the mexican flag.
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They need to SEAL the border! Great contract for Halliburton's KBR before they impeach Bush.No, we cant get rid of them all. Its not a perfect world.
Get the bloodsuckers payN in to social security for the rest of our retirement, instead of being next to free labor for shucksters and the politically well connected.
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What town were you raised in?
Does that really matter?
They need to seal the border and have the Mexicans build it, from the other side.
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Cap- Carefull what you ask for, they might let them,... starting @ Tulsa.
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Tre: Did you grow up in public housing, or with a silver spoon?
I'm from an upper middle class family that lived on the poor (read: "Black") side of town for the first half of my life and then moved to the 'suburbs'. I grew up in the rural South.
I haven't worked nearly as hard as my parents, grandparents, or great-grandparents, but I have been a lot more creative in my risk-taking. However, I'm the first to admit that the road was a lot easier for me because of what they built and because of the examples they set.
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It shows Tre. You are honest though. I do respect that. But,I dont respect, nor am I able to support freeloaders. These ILLEGALS are breaking the bank here. Its got to stop.
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Well, I was actually being nice when I said you guys are bigots.
The reality is that you're just plain stupid if you think it's a good idea NOT to educate the people that live and work in 'your' country.
Back in the day, Americans were taught common sense.
We need to take America back from you idiots, not from the immigrants.
OK let me count to ten then start........
first off I never said anything about not educating anyone who lives or works in "my" country...everyone should be educated to the highest level they so desire
"common sense" would tell you that these ILLEGALS are costing the tax payers millions if not billions of dollars every year. some people are still taght common sense ;D
as far as taking America back from "you idiots" not from the immigrants, well they are, with the help of politically correct assholes such as yourself that are too high on your throne to see what they are doing to this country.
WAKE UP and look around!! there is no anger in my words only a sad reality that if things don't change there will be no America left for Americans. :'(
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I believe its allready way too lat chaos.