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Piece of crap can't take care of shit ::)
Dog of NBA Star Ron Artest Seized by Animal Services After Reports it Was Underfed
Wednesday, February 07, 2007
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Feb. 5: Sacramento Kings forward Ron Artest (93) shoots over New Orleans Hornets center.
AP
SACRAMENTO — Animal services officers seized a Great Dane from the mansion of Sacramento Kings star Ron Artest, saying the dog was underfed.
Neighbors complained for weeks that the dog — named Socks — appeared to be starving inside a gated area on Artest's $1.85 million estate in rural Loomis, according to a county report.
On Jan. 30, animal services officers visited Artest's home and issued a "pre-seizure" notice, warning him that the female Great Dane would be taken into custody if the animal care didn't improve.
Placer County animal services officers returned to Artest's home Monday and removed Socks.
Artest has 10 days to request a hearing, county spokeswoman Anita Yoder said.
Artest's publicist, Heidi Buech, declined to comment when reached by The Associated Press on Wednesday.
The episode has so upset neighbors in Artest's gated community that the homeowners' association plans to vote next week on guidelines that would require members to properly care for their animals.
Artest signed with the Kings last January for $7.15 million this season and $7.8 million in 2007-08, with an $8.45 million player option for 2008-09.
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There isn't a circle of Hell hot enough for him.
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Guess he's too busy working on his record label. ::)
He could have at least left the water hose running or left the fence open so the dog could run away.
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Throw away the key. There is not excuse for child, spousal or animal cruelty or neglect.
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Especially a millionaire. Hire someone for fucks sake!
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this guy really is a worthless piece of shit.
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nothing angers me more...
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Throw away the key. There is not excuse for child, spousal or animal cruelty or neglect.
So you think animal neglect is just as bad as Child or spousal neglect?
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i concur with other comments here. i mean, how lazy can you get? the punishment never fits the crime IMO...
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Throw away the key. There is not excuse for child, spousal or animal cruelty or neglect.
ROFL it's a fucking dog. Sure it's a prick move but christ let's not get the food chain twisted
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A moron is a moron no matter what. Millions of dollars wont change the fact that he's fucking stupid, nor will it make him a better person.
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ROFL it's a fucking dog. Sure it's a prick move but christ let's not get the food chain twisted
Exactly, It ALWAYS amazes me how people think animals are their EQUAL!
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i concur with other comments here. i mean, how lazy can you get? the punishment never fits the crime IMO...
I agree but let's examine this shall we?
What is Ron Artest? Hmmm? I know he's a pro BB player but what is he? Uh huh. EXACTLY!
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Throw away the key. There is not excuse for child, spousal or animal cruelty or neglect.
I agree, 100%
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I think i know where you're going with that, but i have to disagree on that one, neglect/abuse of animals is a crime by all races. Elderly whites are especially guilty of hoarding animals because of loneliness and mental illness. Hell, other races eat them, ahha...
You can't tell me that he didn't get a Great Dane as a status symbol and that once he found out how much responsibility it was, began to neglect it. Others get Pit Bulls because they look tough and once they get tired of it, chain it up and it then becomes agressive, etc.
I don't think of dogs or animals in general as equals, but instead, the irresponsible owners are the POS for not taking responsibility for the upkeep.
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Exactly, It ALWAYS amazes me how people think animals are their EQUAL!
The point is, a dog left without food and water is defenseless. It is like leaving a small child alone with no food or water. Obviously it is not as bad a leaving a small child home alone, locked up, with no food, or water. That is not what rep was saying. What Artest did such a scumbag move. Wtf did the dog do, to deserve being starved to death? No one was saying it was worse then abusing kids. He was saying people who abuse children, defensless animals or people are scumbags. People who abuse animals (especially pets) are pieces of shit.
"Throw away the key. There is no excuse for child, spousal or animal cruelty or neglect."
Apparently you cant read "Devon" To you its just a dog, to people who are not total dipshits its an innocent animal that no one has the right to abuse for no reason. Especially a millionaire nba player. No one said it was worse then abusing a small child. He said there was excuse for any of the offenses. Which there isn't.
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The point is, a dog left without food and water is defenseless. It is like leaving a small child alone with no food or water. Obviously it is not as bad a leaving a small child home alone, locked up, with no food, or water. That is not what rep was saying. What Artest did was a scumbag move. No one was saying it was worse then abusing kids. He was saying people who abuse children, defensless animals or people are scumbags. People who abuse animals (especially pets) are pieces of shit.
"Throw away the key. There is no excuse for child, spousal or animal cruelty or neglect."
Apparently you cant read "Devon" To you its just a dog, to people who are not total dipshits its an innocent animal that no one has the right to abuse for no reason. Especially a millionaire nba player. No one said it was worse then abusing a small child. He said there was excuse for any of the offenses. Which there isn't.
You are correct, in that Max Rep did NOT say that it was worse to neglect a dog that a child.
The disturbing thing is that he grouped them all together!
Dogs are animals, if he trapped a racoon and kept it as a pet would it still be a crime? What about an oppossum? What about a rat? What about a toad? What about a grasshopper? Where do we draw the line?
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This goes hand in hand with everybody thinking a pet is like a "starter kit" human. I hate pets. I hate fucking dogs even more.
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I think i know where you're going with that, but i have to disagree on that one, neglect/abuse of animals is a crime by all races. Elderly whites are especially guilty of hoarding animals because of loneliness and mental illness. Hell, other races eat them, ahha...
You can't tell me that he didn't get a Great Dane as a status symbol and that once he found out how much responsibility it was, began to neglect it. Others get Pit Bulls because they look tough and once they get tired of it, chain it up and it then becomes agressive, etc.
I don't think of dogs or animals in general as equals, but instead, the irresponsible owners are the POS for not taking responsibility for the upkeep.
Good points. I agree. It wasn't too long ago there was a case where an elderly senile woman had like 50 cats and 20 dogs and her home was covered from wall to wall w/ feces and urine and they were all sick and malnurished.
I do find it very very funny and you mentioned it...that lots of negroe men like to have a 'pit bull' as a status symbol. It's a BET thing if you ask me. It's a 'ghetto gangsta' thing. Pitbulls.
Hahaha...some even get a PIT BULL tattoo on their shoulder. Hahahaha..."Don't TEST!"
Hahahaha...
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You are correct, in that Max Rep did NOT say that it was worse to neglect a dog that a child.
The disturbing thing is that he grouped them all together!
Dogs are animals, if he trapped a racoon and kept it as a pet would it still be a crime? What about an oppossum? What about a rat? What about a toad? What about a grasshopper? Where do we draw the line?
What the hell are you talking about? Trapping a racoon and keeping it as a pet is not the same as abusing an inocent animal to death. The line is drawn at people who take animals who did nothing to them and torture them to death. This is expecially shitty if the person does it to his own pet.
So what he grouped abusing people and animals together? He did that because there is no excuse to abuse or torture any living thing, for no reason. He never said he should be in jail. He never said Artest should be killed for torturing an animal. He said there was no excuse, which there isn't. Fyi , people who kill and torture puppys, and all that sick shit. More often then not move on to people. Stop trying to rationalize animal cruelty with incoharent babble. The guy said there was no excuse. You think killing puppys for fun is ok, since they are not humans?
Oh brother I can already tell debating you is going to be an experience.
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This goes hand in hand with everybody thinking a pet is like a "starter kit" human. I hate pets. I hate fucking dogs even more.
Torturing dogs to death is cool, since they are not humans ::) Even a schizo like you woulden't think that.
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An abuser of animals is an abuser of people, to be excused only by other abusers. It's real simple: Wrong is wrong.
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What the hell are you talking about? Trapping a racoon and keeping it as a pet is not the same as abusing an inocent animal to death. The line is drawn at people who take animals who did nothing to them and torture them to death. This is expecially shitty if the person does it to his own pet.
So what he grouped abusing people and animals together. He did that because there is not excuse to abuse torture any living thing for no reason. He never said he should be in jail. He never said he should be killed for torturing an animal. He said there was no excuse, which there isn't. Fyi , people who kill and torture puppys, and all that sick shit. More often then not move on to people. Stop trying to rationalize animal cruelty with incoharent babble. The guy said there was no excuse. You think killing puppys for fun is ok, since they are not humans?
Oh brother I can already tell debating you is going to be an experience.
Ok well I read the Artest article and I didnt catch the part where he abused and tortured his dog and killed puppies? Because you mentioned all of those in your quoted post.
I thought he neglected it......
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where Ma dawgs at?
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Ok well I read the Artest article and I didnt catch the part where he abused and tortured his dog and killed puppies? Because you mentioned all of those in your quoted post.
I thought he neglected it......
Oh brother, nevermind.
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Body88: You think its ok to torture animals!!
Devon97: I think its wrong to TORTURE animals but not nearly as bad as doing it to a human.
If I had a choice of a dog be tortured and killed over that of an innocent human being tortured and killed I would choose the dog every time.
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Body88: You think its ok to torture animals!!
Devon97: I think its wrong to TORTURE animals but not nearly as bad as doing it to a human.
Go back and read the series of posts again(before you edit it when you see what is going on). Actually, nevermind! Not feeding a dog for a month might be considered torture.
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Body88: You think its ok to torture animals!!
Devon97: I think its wrong to TORTURE animals but not nearly as bad as doing it to a human.
If I had a choice of a dog be tortured and killed over that of an innocent human being tortured and killed I would choose the dog every time.
The point was no one ever disputed that. Please re read the thread.
Mex reps post, your reply
Quote from: Max_Rep on Today at 12:44:36 AM
Throw away the key. There is not excuse for child, spousal or animal cruelty or neglect.
"So you think animal neglect is just as bad as Child or spousal neglect?"
Bsb post and your reply
Quote from: BroadStreetBruiser on Today at 09:49:57 AM
ROFL it's a fucking dog. Sure it's a prick move but christ let's not get the food chain twisted
Exactly, It ALWAYS amazes me how people think animals are their EQUAL!
My reply
Exactly, It ALWAYS amazes me how people think animals are their EQUAL!
The point is, a dog left without food and water is defenseless. It is like leaving a small child alone with no food or water. Obviously it is not as bad a leaving a small child home alone, locked up, with no food, or water. That is not what rep was saying. What Artest did such a scumbag move. Wtf did the dog do, to deserve being starved to death? No one was saying it was worse then abusing kids. He was saying people who abuse children, defensless animals or people are scumbags. People who abuse animals (especially pets) are pieces of shit.
"Throw away the key. There is no excuse for child, spousal or animal cruelty or neglect."
Apparently you cant read "Devon" To you its just a dog, to people who are not total dipshits its an innocent animal that no one has the right to abuse for no reason. Especially a millionaire nba player. No one said it was worse then abusing a small child. He said there was excuse for any of the offenses. Which there isn't.
Your reply
You are correct, in that Max Rep did NOT say that it was worse to neglect a dog that a child.
The disturbing thing is that he grouped them all together!
Dogs are animals, if he trapped a racoon and kept it as a pet would it still be a crime? What about an oppossum? What about a rat? What about a toad? What about a grasshopper? Where do we draw the line?
My reply
Quote from: Devon97 on Today at 10:44:35 AM
You are correct, in that Max Rep did NOT say that it was worse to neglect a dog that a child.
The disturbing thing is that he grouped them all together!
Dogs are animals, if he trapped a racoon and kept it as a pet would it still be a crime? What about an oppossum? What about a rat? What about a toad? What about a grasshopper? Where do we draw the line?
What the hell are you talking about? Trapping a racoon and keeping it as a pet is not the same as abusing an inocent animal to death. The line is drawn at people who take animals who did nothing to them and torture them to death. This is expecially shitty if the person does it to his own pet.
So what he grouped abusing people and animals together? He did that because there is no excuse to abuse or torture any living thing, for no reason. He never said he should be in jail. He never said Artest should be killed for torturing an animal. He said there was no excuse, which there isn't. Fyi , people who kill and torture puppys, and all that sick shit. More often then not move on to people. Stop trying to rationalize animal cruelty with incoharent babble. The guy said there was no excuse. You think killing puppys for fun is ok, since they are not humans?
Oh brother I can already tell debating you is going to be an experience.
The debate was never about which was "worse".
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Exactly, It ALWAYS amazes me how people think animals are their EQUAL!
Actually on a biological and evolutionary scale, animals ARE equal.
You are nothing more than a mammal yourself.
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Body88: You think its ok to torture animals!!
Devon97: I think its wrong to TORTURE animals but not nearly as bad as doing it to a human.
If I had a choice of a dog be tortured and killed over that of an innocent human being tortured and killed I would choose the dog every time.
I would choose the person.
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You people are silly.
I mean really, which would get you more angry?
A bomb going off in a Baghdad market killing hundreds of people(animals), or a bomb going off in a Humane Society full of Dogs,Cats and other animals?
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So you think animal neglect is just as bad as Child or spousal neglect?
That's not what I said. Don't put words in my typing fingers.
The FBI has factual statistics that show the link between animal abuse and human violence. Many serial child and spousal abusers had a history of abusing animals which is why I made the point and the correlation. They do not respect life at any level.
Do the search and get the facts yourself. Here is one report. http://www.21stcenturycares.org/links.htm Search on “animal abuse and human violence”. I once found the actual FBI reference but I can’t find it right now.
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Here's an interesting one.
http://www.vet.upenn.edu/schoolresources/communications/publications/bellwether/58/connection.html
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Must be an NBA thing. The Nets Jayson Williams, yes the Jayson Williams who killed Gus Chrisolfi shot and killed his Rottie with a shotgun for shits and giggles
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That's not what I said. Don't put words in my typing fingers.
The FBI has factual statistics that show the link between animal abuse and human violence. Many serial child and spousal abusers had a history of abusing animals which is why I made the point and the correlation. They do not respect life at any level.
Do the search and get the facts yourself. Here is one report. http://www.21stcenturycares.org/links.htm Search on “animal abuse and human violence”. I once found the actual FBI reference but I can’t find it right now.
Yea but forgetting to feed a dog is not abuse, it is neglect. Forgetting to fill up the dogs bowl with water does not link that to human violence at all.
Face it Max Rep. you would rather a stranger die then your own dog, am I wrong>?
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Yea but forgetting to feed a dog is not abuse, it is neglect. Forgetting to fill up the dogs bowl with water does not link that to human violence at all.
Face it Max Rep. you would rather a stranger die then your own dog, am I wrong>?
Animal neglect is not far off from animal abuse, go a month without eating and come back here and tell us your not hurting.
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Animal neglect is not far off from animal abuse, go a month without eating and come back here and tell us your not hurting.
Don't even bother, Devon is either a gimmick, or border line autistic.
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Don't even bother, Devon is either a gimmick, or border line autistic.
Yeah just saw on the news autism is actually really high 1 in 250 according to new reports.
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It’s about having power over another living thing. Its just like rape. This man is a sociopath and I worry about anyone that will come into contact with him. He has severe problems with empathy, and that is dangerous. The connection between animal cruelty and human violence cannot be ignored.
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I have been involved in animal rights since the 80's, and I can tell you there will always exist a certain percentage of the population that has never developed sensitivity to animal suffereing (broadstreetbruiser, Devlon7). There is not much you can do. Whether or not a person is sensitive to animal suffering is a good indication of what kind of man he will become.
Children develope empathy for others starting at age 7-10 starting with animals. Some kids dont get it though and commit cruelity to animals. Many of these kids will grow up to be sociopaths.
Mental health professionals and law enforcement officials consider cruelty to animals as an indicator of a child’s behavior as an adult. Studies have reported that 36 percent of murderers interviewed by federal law enforcement say they abused animals as youngsters.
Mahatma Gandhi said you could judge the evolution of a society (and its men) by the way it treats its animals.
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How did I know before even clicking on this thread that there would be at least 5 body88 posts with one being upwards of 25,000 words. ::)
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I would not harm an animal for the fuck of it, but I wouldn't say that it bothers me if they are neglected. I'm just not a big animal person.
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Do I equate the abuse of animals to child abuse. Absolutely, and without a dought. Now, the question is how to prosecute the animal versues child situation.
This is where is gets difficult without a question. A person who violates a child goes to prison for a minimum of 25 years. Hitting a child, and or other forms of neglect, the child is taken away, and the abuser goes to prison for at least 2 years.
If someone partakes in a sexual act with an animal, should he or she go to jail. Would place them in prison for a year, with possible early release. The reason is that the child has more issues obviously than a dog, or whatever animal after some freak abuses the child sexually.
Sounds as if I'm contridicting myself, but am trying to be realistic towards the situation. Trust me on this one, if any of you own an animal, and you know how attached you get to them, would you want a person who harmed them in anyway prosecuted to the fullest? Again, adding COMMON SENSE to the situation.
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Body88: You think its ok to torture animals!!
Devon97: I think its wrong to TORTURE animals but not nearly as bad as doing it to a human.
If I had a choice of a dog be tortured and killed over that of an innocent human being tortured and killed I would choose the dog every time.
i think the opposite, 99.999999 percent of ADULT human beings do something to instigate the violence commited against them, children and animals are innocent, that's why these savages who hurt kids and animals should be tortured to death, plain and simple.
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Take his dog away and throw the book at him. Fine, Jail or whatever. No excuses. owning a pet carries responsibilities and Ron Artest broke laws, not to mention being a shit head for leaving a dog alone to starve.
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Take his dog away and throw the book at him. Fine, Jail or whatever. No excuses. owning a pet carries responsibilities and Ron Artest broke laws, not to mention being a shit head for leaving a dog alone to starve.
give him 100 lashes with a horsewhip, this won't kill him but it will teach him a lesson that he'll never forget.
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give him 100 lashes with a horsewhip, this won't kill him but it will teach him a lesson that he'll never forget.
yes and have and done with a big muscly gay guy dressed in a leather S&M outfit. hahahahaha, that will humilate him, show him what a big man he really is for hurting a dog, hahahahahah
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yes and have and done with a big muscly gay guy dressed in a leather S&M outfit. hahahahaha, that will humilate him, show him what a big man he really is for hurting a dog, hahahahahah
hahahahaha, all kidding aside i think this type of punishment works, you don't die, you eventually recover from your wounds but the emotional and psychological terror it inflicts will leave you scared to do it again.
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"Bring out the GIMP!"
(Pulp Fiction) ;D
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Animal neglect is not far off from animal abuse, go a month without eating and come back here and tell us your not hurting.
I bet you are one of these people that thinks people who OVERFEED their pets is a form of abuse too??? lol
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I bet you are one of these people that thinks people who OVERFEED their pets is a form of abuse too??? lol
Not so much abuse but over indulgence. Over indulgence isn't good for children, pets or for anyone for that matter.
Why exactly do you want to get in the way of people who are trying to do good things for animals who are suffering at the hands of humans?
Were you bitten by a little fluffy dog when you were a boy?
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Not so much abuse but over indulgence. Over indulgence isn't good for children, pets or for anyone for that matter.
Why exactly do you want to get in the way of people who are trying to do good things for animals who are suffering at the hands of humans?
Were you bitten by a little fluffy dog when you were a boy?
I DO NOT want to get in the way of people who do good for animals.... BUT
I do NOT think that animal NEGLECT or Overindulgence should result in Punishment by death.
Body88 and Max Rep both feel DEATH is a fair punishment for someone who NEGLECTS their pet.
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Face it Max Rep. you would rather a stranger die then your own dog, am I wrong>?
I guess that depends on which human... a rapist... a terrorist... a gang-banger or a heart surgeon. I always feel remorse when I hear of a death of a good person. Do I feel the same way when it is a hardened criminal or terrorist? No.
We even have humane ways of punishing or putting people to death that have committed the most vicious crimes yet we make our terminally ill people suffer in agony and call it humanity.
We abuse animals in the most inconceivable ways and pass it off by saying "well it's just an animal".
There is no excuse for abuse or neglect be it an animal, a child, a woman, an elder or anyone who can’t fend for themselves.
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Piece of crap can't take care of shit ::)
Dog of NBA Star Ron Artest Seized by Animal Services After Reports it Was Underfed
Wednesday, February 07, 2007
E-MAIL STORY PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION
Feb. 5: Sacramento Kings forward Ron Artest (93) shoots over New Orleans Hornets center.
AP
SACRAMENTO — Animal services officers seized a Great Dane from the mansion of Sacramento Kings star Ron Artest, saying the dog was underfed.
Neighbors complained for weeks that the dog — named Socks — appeared to be starving inside a gated area on Artest's $1.85 million estate in rural Loomis, according to a county report.
On Jan. 30, animal services officers visited Artest's home and issued a "pre-seizure" notice, warning him that the female Great Dane would be taken into custody if the animal care didn't improve.
Placer County animal services officers returned to Artest's home Monday and removed Socks.
Artest has 10 days to request a hearing, county spokeswoman Anita Yoder said.
Artest's publicist, Heidi Buech, declined to comment when reached by The Associated Press on Wednesday.
The episode has so upset neighbors in Artest's gated community that the homeowners' association plans to vote next week on guidelines that would require members to properly care for their animals.
Artest signed with the Kings last January for $7.15 million this season and $7.8 million in 2007-08, with an $8.45 million player option for 2008-09.
I SAY TAKE THE DAMN DOG INTO THE STREETS AND BURN IT ALIVE IN FRONT OF THOSE NEIGHBORS...
I WOULD JUST LOVE TO SEE THE BOTOXED FACED HIGH FALUTING NEIGHBORS BURST INTO TEARS AS THEIR BEASTIALIC DREAMS OF "DOG SEX" GOES UP IN FLAMES. I TELL YA SOME FUCKS ARE SO DAMN MENTALLY SICK OVER DOGS IT IS NOT EVEN FUNNY. IMAGINE THE MAGNITUDE OF HOMELESS ALL AROUND CALIFORNIA AND THEY ARE CONCERNED WITH SOME MANGY DOG...FOR CHRIST SAKES GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!
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were gonna see ron on the dog whisperer
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I guess that depends on which human... a rapist... a terrorist... a gang-banger or a heart surgeon. I always feel remorse when I hear of a death of a good person. Do I feel the same way when it is a hardened criminal or terrorist? No.
We even have humane ways of punishing or putting people to death that have committed the most vicious crimes yet we make our terminally ill people suffer in agony and call it humanity.
We abuse animals in the most inconceivable ways and pass it off by saying "well it's just an animal".
There is no excuse for abuse or neglect be it an animal, a child, a woman, an elder or anyone who can’t fend for themselves.
Fair enough.. Let me ask again...
Max Rep, would you rather an INNOCENT stranger be put to death or your own dog be put to death?
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I SAY TAKE THE DAMN DOG INTO THE STREETS AND BURN IT ALIVE IN FRONT OF THOSE NEIGHBORS...
I WOULD JUST LOVE TO SEE THE BOTOXED FACED HIGH FALUTING NEIGHBORS BURST INTO TEARS AS THEIR BEASTIALIC DREAMS OF "DOG SEX" GOES UP IN FLAMES. I TELL YA SOME FUCKS ARE SO DAMN MENTALLY SICK OVER DOGS IT IS NOT EVEN FUNNY. IMAGINE THE MAGNITUDE OF HOMELESS ALL AROUND CALIFORNIA AND THEY ARE CONCERNED WITH SOME MANGY DOG...FOR CHRIST SAKES GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!
Although I dont think the dog should be burned , I DO agree that society/govt is highly disturbed to have an animal service that busts down doors to rescue neglected animals when we have human beings starving and homeless living on the streets.
It is VERY sad and disturbing that people have such an infatuation with a animal and perhaps you are right... maby they do have beastialic dreams........ very disturbing indeed.
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Fair enough.. Let me ask again...
Max Rep, would you rather an INNOCENT stranger be put to death or your own dog be put to death?
Son there’s a significant distance between “if”… “just suppose”… and “is”. Hypothetical questions are about as useful as saying…
…“If my Grandmother would have had balls, she would have been my Grandfather.”
Or…
“If I had picked all six numbers on Lotto, I’d be rich right now.”
Don’t concern yourself over who I am or what my values are, concern yourself over your own.
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Son there’s a significant distance between “if”… “just suppose”… and “is”. Hypothetical questions are about as useful as saying…
…“If my Grandmother would have had balls, she would have been my Grandfather.”
Or…
“If I had picked all six numbers on Lotto, I’d be rich right now.”
Don’t concern yourself over who I am or what my values are, concern yourself over your own.
Please stop changing the subject.
I asked you a simple question and I will ask once again.
MaxRep, would you rather an INNOCENT stranger be put to death on your own dog be put to death?
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Devon97 you are certainly on a strange mission to get in the way of people expressing compassion for an animal. As I asked before, was it Chiwawa that bit you when you were a boy or a Toy Poodle? Or was it a little kitty that came around a corner to quickly and startled you? Sorry for that, it must have been scary.
But listen dude, helping animals is not mutually exlusive from helping humans. A more humane world for animals is by extension a more humane world for people and children. They are not at odds with each other. You don't have to destoy one to have the other. They can both co-exist. And they can benefit from each other.
It is the anti-animal propganda put out by Animal-exploitation industries that wants you to believe that if you care about animals then children will suffer. There is no logic to that.
These exploitive industries include the very very wealthy meat, fur, pet breeding and vivesection industries who have in recent years spent millions of dollars to hire PR firms to convince people that helping animals is at odds with helping children. Clever, but an out and out lie. There are no facts to support this ridiculous idea and for you to spread it here is highly suspect and highly immoral.
If you have concern for children and you are unhappy how they are treated in this country I hardly think campaining here against animal welfare is a wise choice. I think you are deeply misguided.
Animals are not overly protected by a long shot. Pets have some flimsy laws on the books but animals that are hunted, on farms and in laboratories have none. The laws to protect puppies in puppy mills are rarely enforced because there is no money. Animal protection groups rely on generous donors to put abusers behind bars not tax dollars.
We pride ourselves on being a civilized nation. But it is Great Britain that is looked to as one of the most civilized cultures in the world, and is it any wonder that they lead the world in animal protection laws as well. They realize that a society is only as good as how its meekest live. In contrast third world countries have little if no animal protection. The United States has a ways to go to be a truly civilized nation.
Devon97 I am callin on you to stop supporting the propaganda put out by animal -profiteering industries and their higly paid lobbiest and public relations firms and start thinking for yourself.
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Please stop changing the subject.
I asked you a simple question and I will ask once again.
MaxRep, would you rather an INNOCENT stranger be put to death on your own dog be put to death?
Can the INNOCENT stranger be you? ;D
Just so we're clear... I know exactly who you are and why you are pushing for this answer. We've been dowm this road before.
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Devon97 you are certainly on a strange mission to get in the way of people expressing compassion for an animal. As I asked before, was it Chiwawa that bit you when you were a boy or a Toy Poodle? Or was it a little kitty that came around a corner to quickly and startled you? Sorry for that, it must have been scary.
But listen dude, helping animals is not mutually exlusive from helping humans. A more humane world for animals is by extension a more humane world for people and children. They are not at odds with each other. You don't have to destoy one to have the other. They can both co-exist. And they can benefit from each other.
It is the anti-animal propganda put out by Animal-exploitation industries that wants you to believe that if you care about animals then children will suffer. There is no logic to that.
These exploitive industries include the very very wealthy meat, fur, pet breeding and vivesection industries who have in recent years spent millions of dollars to hire PR firms to convince people that helping animals is at odds with helping children. Clever, but an out and out lie. There are no facts to support this ridiculous idea and for you to spread it here is highly suspect and highly immoral.
If you have concern for children and you are unhappy how they are treated in this country I hardly think campaining here against animal welfare is a wise choice. I think you are deeply misguided.
Animals are not overly protected by a long shot. Pets have some flimsy laws on the books but animals that are hunted, on farms and in laboratories have none. The laws to protect puppies in puppy mills are rarely enforced because there is no money. Animal protection groups rely on generous donors to put abusers behind bars not tax dollars.
We pride ourselves on being a civilized nation. But it is Great Britain that is looked to as one of the most civilized cultures in the world, and is it any wonder that they lead the world in animal protection laws as well. They realize that a society is only as good as how its meekest live. In contrast third world countries have little if no animal protection. The United States has a ways to go to be a truly civilized nation.
Devon97 I am callin on you to stop supporting the propaganda put out by animal -profiteering industries and their higly paid lobbiest and public relations firms and start thinking for yourself.
VERY nicely put nycbull! :)
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Don't even bother, Devon is either a gimmick, or border line autistic.
What about stupid?
I vote stupid.
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You are correct, in that Max Rep did NOT say that it was worse to neglect a dog that a child.
The disturbing thing is that he grouped them all together!
Dogs are animals, if he trapped a racoon and kept it as a pet would it still be a crime? What about an oppossum? What about a rat? What about a toad? What about a grasshopper? Where do we draw the line?
It has to do with the human trait, compassion. Without it we ARE the equal of the animals. As good people it is our obligation to look out for those or them that can not take care of themselves and pets fit that description. You dont go out and get a living, breathing pet and then not give it a good life, those kinds of things will turn up haunting you in the grand scheme of things. Some people think compassion is less than macho, and these little boys just have not grown up yet.....even though they could be 50 years old it dont matter.
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Can the INNOCENT stranger be you? ;D
Just so we're clear... I know exactly who you are and why you are pushing for this answer. We've been dowm this road before.
Perhaps, the Innocent stranger could be anyone. I can assure you , you do not know who I am as I have never debated anything before with you on this board or any board. We have never been down any road before my friend.
So I take it you will not answer the question?
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Max-Rep, dont fall for these unrelealistic hypothetical questions posed by Devon97. He has an immature and amature way of debating. I have been asked these type of questions all the time from people like Devon97 who are insensitive to animal sufferring. It is their only form of arguing and it is juvenile.
At this point it would serve no purpose to answer him because he will continue to pose outrageous and unrealistic hypotheticals thinking he is so clever. "Hey NYCBull would you do nuclear radiation experiments on a monkey or slap a small child? hahahaha
oh brother
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Devon97 you are certainly on a strange mission to get in the way of people expressing compassion for an animal. As I asked before, was it Chiwawa that bit you when you were a boy or a Toy Poodle? Or was it a little kitty that came around a corner to quickly and startled you? Sorry for that, it must have been scary.
But listen dude, helping animals is not mutually exlusive from helping humans. A more humane world for animals is by extension a more humane world for people and children. They are not at odds with each other. You don't have to destoy one to have the other. They can both co-exist. And they can benefit from each other.
It is the anti-animal propganda put out by Animal-exploitation industries that wants you to believe that if you care about animals then children will suffer. There is no logic to that.
These exploitive industries include the very very wealthy meat, fur, pet breeding and vivesection industries who have in recent years spent millions of dollars to hire PR firms to convince people that helping animals is at odds with helping children. Clever, but an out and out lie. There are no facts to support this ridiculous idea and for you to spread it here is highly suspect and highly immoral.
If you have concern for children and you are unhappy how they are treated in this country I hardly think campaining here against animal welfare is a wise choice. I think you are deeply misguided.
Animals are not overly protected by a long shot. Pets have some flimsy laws on the books but animals that are hunted, on farms and in laboratories have none. The laws to protect puppies in puppy mills are rarely enforced because there is no money. Animal protection groups(aka PETA) rely on generous donors to put money in their own fat pockets!! abusers behind bars not tax dollars.
We pride ourselves on being a civilized nation. But it is Great Britain that is looked to as one of the most civilized cultures in the world, and is it any wonder that they lead the world in animal protection laws as well. They realize that a society is only as good as how its meekest live. In contrast third world countries have little if no animal protection. The United States has a ways to go to be a truly civilized nation.
Devon97 I am callin on you to stop supporting the propaganda put out by animal -profiteering industries and their higly paid lobbiest and public relations firms and start thinking for yourself.
Fuck PETA and the rest of you treehuggers!!
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f**k PETA and the rest of you treehuggers!!
Hey guys it seems we have another member missing the sensitivity chip.
Oh well like I said there will always be a certain percentage of people who are lacking it.
valhalla, good luck to anyone that gets close to you.
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why isnt this thread moved as well ... if threads are gonna be moved should be consistant shouldnt it
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Max-Rep, dont fall for these unrelealistic hypothetical questions posed by Devon97. He has an immature and amature way of debating. I have been asked these type of questions all the time from people like Devon97 who are insensitive to animal sufferring. It is their only form of arguing and it is juvenile.
At this point it would serve no purpose to answer him because he will continue to pose outrageous and unrealistic hypotheticals thinking he is so clever. "Hey NYCBull would you do nuclear radiation experiments on a monkey or slap a small child? hahahaha
oh brother
Thanks cycbull. Trust me I'm a Master Debater ;D and I fully understand linguistic double binds. I won't engage in his antics. I cannot put any weight on what a person says that has no compassion thinking that being callous makes him more a man.
He thinks I don't remember his entire language pattern from a similar argument over a year ago. It's as transparent as a signature or a fingerprint.
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Devon is an obvious gimmick designed to piss people off. There is about 400 million gimmicks on this site now in days. Person makes statement, gimmick types whatever answer will get the biggest rise out of poster, gimmick smiles and looks around bedroom, gimmick notices it is 10:30pm, gimmick relizes he did not do homework , gimmick turns of nightlight,puts in retainers, goes to bed.
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dog, cats, horses, whatever......... those are all living creatures, just like us, we are lucky because we are on top, that's it!!! let's imagine here if it was the other way around, what would you think?
any living animal (including us) as the right to live in full, there is no excuses what so ever to what ron did, he's a moron, , selfish person!
how many cases do you think exist, man i don't know where to begin, everybody saw in the news 40-50- dogs left by themself starving, by breeders. and all they get is a little fine 500$. and they start all over again the week after..... some people just don't understand, they have no heart!
if ron was one of my neighbor, i'll be the first one to call........... and if i get the chance, smack him in the face!!!
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Devon97 you are certainly on a strange mission to get in the way of people expressing compassion for an animal. As I asked before, was it Chiwawa that bit you when you were a boy or a Toy Poodle? Or was it a little kitty that came around a corner to quickly and startled you? Sorry for that, it must have been scary.
But listen dude, helping animals is not mutually exlusive from helping humans. A more humane world for animals is by extension a more humane world for people and children. They are not at odds with each other. You don't have to destoy one to have the other. They can both co-exist. And they can benefit from each other.
It is the anti-animal propganda put out by Animal-exploitation industries that wants you to believe that if you care about animals then children will suffer. There is no logic to that.
These exploitive industries include the very very wealthy meat, fur, pet breeding and vivesection industries who have in recent years spent millions of dollars to hire PR firms to convince people that helping animals is at odds with helping children. Clever, but an out and out lie. There are no facts to support this ridiculous idea and for you to spread it here is highly suspect and highly immoral.
If you have concern for children and you are unhappy how they are treated in this country I hardly think campaining here against animal welfare is a wise choice. I think you are deeply misguided.
Animals are not overly protected by a long shot. Pets have some flimsy laws on the books but animals that are hunted, on farms and in laboratories have none. The laws to protect puppies in puppy mills are rarely enforced because there is no money. Animal protection groups rely on generous donors to put abusers behind bars not tax dollars.
We pride ourselves on being a civilized nation. But it is Great Britain that is looked to as one of the most civilized cultures in the world, and is it any wonder that they lead the world in animal protection laws as well. They realize that a society is only as good as how its meekest live. In contrast third world countries have little if no animal protection. The United States has a ways to go to be a truly civilized nation.
Devon97 I am callin on you to stop supporting the propaganda put out by animal -profiteering industries and their higly paid lobbiest and public relations firms and start thinking for yourself.
YOUARE ONE SICK BASTARD....
Someones home was broken into and privacy violated over a god damn dog and you are not moved at all about it. There are countless accounts of children who are violated, exploited and even killed and not one agency comes to their rescue until there is gross gross negligence or even death inwhich it is too late then. As it stands a beastialic neighbor can make all sorts of claims against another neighbor and some animal cruelty agency could then burst into your home and violate your privacy not to mnetion possibly burgularize your home while in the process. After their break in, was there a 24 hour guard placed at the residence to secure it, since the locks and/or the door was violated in order to gain entry? Who is going to pay for this damage to this man's home? What law supercedes a person right to privacy...not to mention breaking and entering on the suspicion of a dog being hungry? This case is far greater and reaching than one can iimagine...once again it speaks of the RIGHTS OF PEOPLE BEING VIOLATED. This is no differnt than a false accusation or claim causing someone else to be arrested, or jailed or even killed. If the neighbor was so concerned with the supposed hunger of the dog...why didn't they just feed it?
so far as your opinion of the right of the co-existance of animals and humans...yeah GOD created the animals for a reason and put them in subjigation by humans...that means they are LESS THAN HUMANS ...NOT EQUALS. Your argument tries to equate the two and make one believe that an animal is the equivalent of a family member/human in importance and therefore should be treated and held up as such. THIS IS MADNESS. This is the BEASTIALICS mindset...animals are more important to you than a HUMAN LIFE AND CERTAINLY MORE IMPORTANT THAN A HUMANS RIGHTS. By the way do you realize that PETA slaughter 75% to 90% of all animals it rescues???
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/06/23/EDG11DC9BK1.DTL
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm?headline=2833
http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/535593.html
ANIMAL LOVERS ARE A SICK GROUP
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Abuse to animals is wrong that is not really a debate, the debate here and it seems in society is to what liberties do we afford animals. I say that animals should be afforded the right to not be abused or neglected, but with that said how do we afford the money to enforce and moniter these laws. Simple, better enforcement right out of the gate. To buy an animal it must first be neuter to prevent countless thousands of unwanted births allowing only lisenced breeders to continue breeding them. Secondly, it should be more expensive. Many people would think twice about buying a dog if the cost was say 500 dollars and not 50 dollars. And lastly impose a tax on the sale of the dog which would go towards funding an agency that would prevent the mistreatment of these animals.
Dogs maybe shouldn't have all the same rights as humans as they can't vote or own property but to say that a dog's life is meaningless is just plain dumb esp. when you consider that people voluntary bring them into their home.
A cats life on the other hand......kill'em all.
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..yeah GOD created the animals for a reason and put them in subjigation by humans....... Suuuuuuuuuuuure he did
......... THIS IS MADNESS. This is the BEASTIALICS mindset...animals are more important to you than a HUMAN LIFE AND CERTAINLY MORE IMPORTANT THAN A HUMANS RIGHTS.........
wow, please stop my head hurts.... OK L'ets kill every animals in sight, their not important
By the way do you realize that PETA slaughter 75% to 90% of all animals it rescues???
................. because stupid morons can't take care of them or they we're in a so bad conditions from stupid owners.
ANIMAL LOVERS ARE A SICK GROUP........... Yep and i hope there is enough left for your grand chirldrens to see....
wow, i'm impresse, really, your the man, keep it up, positive.............. yessssssssss
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YOUARE ONE SICK BASTARD....
Someones home was broken into and privacy violated over a god damn dog and you are not moved at all about it. There are countless accounts of children who are violated, exploited and even killed and not one agency comes to their rescue until there is gross gross negligence or even death inwhich it is too late then. As it stands a beastialic neighbor can make all sorts of claims against another neighbor and some animal cruelty agency could then burst into your home and violate your privacy not to mnetion possibly burgularize your home while in the process. After their break in, was there a 24 hour guard placed at the residence to secure it, since the locks and/or the door was violated in order to gain entry? Who is going to pay for this damage to this man's home? What law supercedes a person right to privacy...not to mention breaking and entering on the suspicion of a dog being hungry? This case is far greater and reaching than one can iimagine...once again it speaks of the RIGHTS OF PEOPLE BEING VIOLATED. This is no differnt than a false accusation or claim causing someone else to be arrested, or jailed or even killed. If the neighbor was so concerned with the supposed hunger of the dog...why didn't they just feed it?
so far as your opinion of the right of the co-existance of animals and humans...yeah GOD created the animals for a reason and put them in subjigation by humans...that means they are LESS THAN HUMANS ...NOT EQUALS. Your argument tries to equate the two and make one believe that an animal is the equivalent of a family member/human in importance and therefore should be treated and held up as such. THIS IS MADNESS. This is the BEASTIALICS mindset...animals are more important to you than a HUMAN LIFE AND CERTAINLY MORE IMPORTANT THAN A HUMANS RIGHTS. By the way do you realize that PETA slaughter 75% to 90% of all animals it rescues???
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/06/23/EDG11DC9BK1.DTL
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm?headline=2833
http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/535593.html
ANIMAL LOVERS ARE A SICK GROUP
great another religious nut.
You have bought into the propanda created by PR firms hired by the muti billion dollar animal exploitation industries. They have convinced you that animals are getting better legal treatment than humans. Just look at the law books. There are very few laws protecting animals. In this incidence the judge made the decision to search the property because a crime was being commited. Thats all. How in the hell do you feel sorry for a broken door over an animals life?
I guess you believe in the literal word of the bible, oh brother. Hardly a scientific document. But didn't God ask us to shepard his animals not starve them?
Your "faith" based argument that humans are the center of the universe and thus the planet with its animals is just a worthless vessel is precisly why religious fanatics see no problem in destroying our world in the name of God or Allah or whomever they worship. And believe me it is only a matter of time before some religious nut like you gets his hands on a nuclear weapon and this planet will be harmed. Hey whats wrong with that, your going to heaven right. f**k the rest of the people, animals and environment.
I believe this world and its people and the animals in it are beautiful and I don't believe it should be destroyed for anyones "faith".
It will be up to religious moderates, scienitists, philosphers, free thinkers and good people to save this planet from religious-faith-based-no-evidence-believing nuts like you.
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True Stories
A Cry for Help
Annette adopted Norman, a blind yellow lab, from the pound. The beach is the only place he can run free because he is blind. One day, as Annette and Norman were walking along the beach, Norman cocked his ear and took off running. He heard something no one else could hear -- the cries of someone in trouble. Lisa, 15, had been swimming with her brother and got caught in the current. Norman swam toward her cries, and with Annette's voice guiding him, pulled Lisa back to shore. Lisa considers Norman her guardian angel.
The Nose Knows
Although Ray and Carol were bedridden and recovering from surgery, they were suspicious of their headaches and sleepiness. During this time, their constant companion was their tabby cat, Ringo. One day, Ringo insisted on being let out, but he wouldn't go outside until Carol followed him. When she did, he led her to a spot in their landscaping and began digging. Carol immediately smelled gas. The gas company told Ray and Carol the leak was so strong that one small spark could have caused an explosion. Ringo went on to sniff out two more gas leaks in the neighborhood, and was given The Humane Society's Award for Braver
Playing Dead
When her daughter was called out of town on business, JoAnn offered to watch her pet, Lulu, a potbellied pig. While home alone, JoAnn had a major heart attack. She called for help, but no one heard her cries. Lulu sensed JoAnn's danger and ran out of the house through a small dog door. The pig lay down in the street in an attempt to stop traffic. Periodically, Lulu would return to the house to check on JoAnn, and then return to the street in search of assistance. Finally someone stopped and followed Lulu to the door. The good samaritan called 911, and JoAnn was rushed to the hospital. Without Lulu's help, she might not be here today.
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To the comment than PETA (and most other animal protection groups) end up killing a large number of animals (thus making them bad)....they are killed by painless(or close to it) lethal injection as opposed to being beaten to death, starved to death, or otherwise mutilated which would have been the case if they had not been rescued. Also, the reason they are killed in the first place is because there aren't enough people who adopt "second hand" pets to take them all in and there is a point where it becomes worse for the animals to be kept in the accommodations the group can provide in addition to the fact that the groups are often in need of much more funds than they have. There are some no kill shelters and while they have good intentions they are taking a very naive approach to what they do. They quickly run out of room so they can't bring in more animals and eventually from being in the shelter for so long the animals become aggressive and miserable. There are very few people who are willing to take in an aggressive animal so that animal stays in its cage(because most groups don't have much money and aren't able to do a whole lot in the way of proper housing) and becomes more aggressive and miserable; it is a vicious cycle.
His house was not unlawfully "broken into." It was by court order, not by some single wacko who wanted to save the dog.
To go along with what nycbull and TA wrote: You believe that all animals(and everything else if you want to get picky) were created by "God" for our use? Just think about that for a few minutes and it will sound ridiculous. Think of the volume of creatures that exist, how could that possibly be the case? Humans are nothing but the animals with the most developed brain. They feel pain exactly the same as us. So I'm not sure how you can have remorse for a person feeling pain but not a dog, for example. So, asking Max_Rep if he would rather a stranger or a dog die is no different than asking if he would rather a cat die than a goat or if he would rather have a stranger in NYC die or a stranger in LA die from a biological standpoint. If you say a person has more potential to impact the world then I would give you that and there you have a difference which makes the decision harder. There is also the fact that no one depends on a dog but there may be others who depend on a person directly. This is were the difference comes into play. However many people emotionally depend on pets so it is very fuzzy.
Apropos the question of which I would rather die, I say the stranger because of your wording. You asked a stranger or my pet. If you said a stranger or a random animal I would be indifferent to which died if one had to die, of course it would be best if neither had to die. But the way you asked if is no different than asking if I would rather have a stranger or my brother or a friend die because pets become a part of your family or a friend. In that case of course you would choose the stranger. People develop a connection with their pets like with a friend or family member. If there are no details about the stranger that is. If you are given that the stranger is a 20 year old college student other person is my old grandmother or dog, I would rather my grandmother or dog died because the college student has more potential and more of a life ahead of him or her.
Sorry for the long post.
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To the comment than PETA (and most other animal protection groups) end up killing a large number of animals (thus making them bad)....they are killed by painless(or close to it) lethal injection as opposed to being beaten to death, starved to death, or otherwise mutilated which would have been the case if they had not been rescued. Also, the reason they are killed in the first place is because there aren't enough people who adopt "second hand" pets to take them all in and there is a point where it becomes worse for the animals to be kept in the accommodations the group can provide in addition to the fact that the groups are often in need of much more funds than they have. There are some no kill shelters and while they have good intentions they are taking a very naive approach to what they do. They quickly run out of room so they can't bring in more animals and eventually from being in the shelter for so long the animals become aggressive and miserable. There are very few people who are willing to take in an aggressive animal so that animal stays in its cage(because most groups don't have much money and aren't able to do a whole lot in the way of proper housing) and becomes more aggressive and miserable; it is a vicious cycle.
His house was not unlawfully "broken into." It was by court order, not by some single wacko who wanted to save the dog.
To go along with what nycbull and TA wrote: You believe that all animals(and everything else if you want to get picky) were created by "God" for our use? Just think about that for a few minutes and it will sound ridiculous. Think of the volume of creatures that exist, how could that possibly be the case? Humans are nothing but the animals with the most developed brain. They feel pain exactly the same as us. So I'm not sure how you can have remorse for a person feeling pain but not a dog, for example. So, asking Max_Rep if he would rather a stranger or a dog die is no different than asking if he would rather a cat die than a goat or if he would rather have a stranger in NYC die or a stranger in LA die from a biological standpoint. If you say a person has more potential to impact the world then I would give you that and there you have a difference which makes the decision harder. There is also the fact that no one depends on a dog but there may be others who depend on a person directly. This is were the difference comes into play. However many people emotionally depend on pets so it is very fuzzy.
Apropos the question of which I would rather die, I say the stranger because of your wording. You asked a stranger or my pet. If you said a stranger or a random animal I would be indifferent to which died if one had to die, of course it would be best if neither had to die. But the way you asked if is no different than asking if I would rather have a stranger or my brother or a friend die because pets become a part of your family or a friend. In that case of course you would choose the stranger. People develop a connection with their pets like with a friend or family member. If there are no details about the stranger that is. If you are given that the stranger is a 20 year old college student other person is my old grandmother or dog, I would rather my grandmother or dog died because the college student has more potential and more of a life ahead of him or her.
Sorry for the long post.
good post dude, and dont' get caught up with answering unending unrealistic hypothetical questions. They are a sure sign your dealing with an immature, inexperienced debator.
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Great post SaleenS7525T! nycbull I’ve enjoyed all of yours as well. They’ve been well thought out, rational and educational.
Martin Luther King said “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere”. Neglect and abuse is a form of injustice.” It takes thought to act justly or unjustly… it’s like considering right from wrong. It was a choice and a decision. It wasn’t a matter of the dog had to go without food or water so the human could have the food and water. It was simply a decision to act unjustly.
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great another religious nut.
You have bought into the propanda created by PR firms hired by the muti billion dollar animal exploitation industries. They have convinced you that animals are getting better legal treatment than humans. Just look at the law books. There are very few laws protecting animals. In this incidence the judge made the decision to search the property because a crime was being commited. Thats all. How in the hell do you feel sorry for a broken door over an animals life?
I guess you believe in the literal word of the bible, oh brother. Hardly a scientific document. But didn't God ask us to shepard his animals not starve them?
Your "faith" based argument that humans are the center of the universe and thus the planet with its animals is just a worthless vessel is precisly why religious fanatics see no problem in destroying our world in the name of God or Allah or whomever they worship. And believe me it is only a matter of time before some religious nut like you gets his hands on a nuclear weapon and this planet will be harmed. Hey whats wrong with that, your going to heaven right. f**k the rest of the people, animals and environment.
I believe this world and its people and the animals in it are beautiful and I don't believe it should be destroyed for anyones "faith".
It will be up to religious moderates, scienitists, philosphers, free thinkers and good people to save this planet from religious-faith-based-no-evidence-believing nuts like you.
Forget the God argument for a moment, a mans house was violated on account of a dog, if you see nothing wrong with that then maybe you're the nut.
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welcome to april 2nd
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YOUARE ONE SICK BASTARD....
Someones home was broken into and privacy violated over a god damn dog and you are not moved at all about it. There are countless accounts of children who are violated, exploited and even killed and not one agency comes to their rescue until there is gross gross negligence or even death inwhich it is too late then. As it stands a beastialic neighbor can make all sorts of claims against another neighbor and some animal cruelty agency could then burst into your home and violate your privacy not to mnetion possibly burgularize your home while in the process. After their break in, was there a 24 hour guard placed at the residence to secure it, since the locks and/or the door was violated in order to gain entry? Who is going to pay for this damage to this man's home? What law supercedes a person right to privacy...not to mention breaking and entering on the suspicion of a dog being hungry? This case is far greater and reaching than one can iimagine...once again it speaks of the RIGHTS OF PEOPLE BEING VIOLATED. This is no differnt than a false accusation or claim causing someone else to be arrested, or jailed or even killed. If the neighbor was so concerned with the supposed hunger of the dog...why didn't they just feed it?
so far as your opinion of the right of the co-existance of animals and humans...yeah GOD created the animals for a reason and put them in subjigation by humans...that means they are LESS THAN HUMANS ...NOT EQUALS. Your argument tries to equate the two and make one believe that an animal is the equivalent of a family member/human in importance and therefore should be treated and held up as such. THIS IS MADNESS. This is the BEASTIALICS mindset...animals are more important to you than a HUMAN LIFE AND CERTAINLY MORE IMPORTANT THAN A HUMANS RIGHTS. By the way do you realize that PETA slaughter 75% to 90% of all animals it rescues???
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/06/23/EDG11DC9BK1.DTL
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm?headline=2833
http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/535593.html
ANIMAL LOVERS ARE A SICK GROUP
there is no god
hope this helps