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look at these maps, without 911 it would only be a dream (in fact it was, by PNAC, DPG and zebig well before 911)
notice
1) the us invaded afgan and iraq... this leaves iran open to be invaded on 2 fronts
2) in the second map, the 2 largest oil producing regions in the world are the circular areas that are slightly lighter in shade ... notice clearly that the bases to the EAST of it are set up to block an attack from india or china in the future ;)
3) the first map i believe shows the bases added AFTER 911
911 was an inside job, one reason it happened was to lock up natural resources as the world slowly moves toward (or away from) peak oil
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Anybody want to guess the path of the future oil pipelines?
;)
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I can just see 240 feverishly pounding on his keyboard as he prepares his reply.
No offense 240 but the image of you furiously pounding away and the sweat pouring from your brow is rather amusing. ;D
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red is what i believe amreeka is building, (i noted the second option into india which i have also heard)
the blue is what china would have been able to build in 15 years, had we not gotten there first and made sure we could middle man their oil
what made rocafeller so great is the genius of controlling distribution, as opposed to just extraction, and thats exactly what the US is locking up
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I can just see 240 feverishly pounding on his keyboard as he prepares his reply.
No offense 240 but the image of you furiously pounding away and the sweat pouring from your brow is rather amusing. ;D
LOL! I've accepted the US' role of oil manager for the world, and I am okay with that.
I'm still wanting another 9/11 investigation tho. Killing civilians = no no.
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even if killing thousands now ment saving millions later?
imo 911 will probably end up havign been a "good call"
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lets keep in mind it takes 10cal of energy to produce 1cal of food energy for human consumption ;)
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even if killing thousands now ment saving millions later?
imo 911 will probably end up havign been a "good call"
For america's future, 911 will definitely be a good call in the "greater good of all" sense. however, 3 problems-
1) Operation Northwoods called for using military folks dressed as college kids. 911 killed civilians. Go after a military base or something if you want to fake shit. there were 200 jumpers on 911. Must have sucked.
2) Restricted civil rights. Patriot act, etc. Total bullshit. I guess it's a control mechanism in place, in case someone like Condi or Rummy lost it and admitted inside job to keep people from rioting, etc. But come on...
3) Douchebags like beach bum get 5 or 6 years to say "CTers are crazy" before the truth starts to creep out.
That's about it. IMO Bush should have said on day 1: "Here's the numbers, your kids will be speaking chinese in 20 years if we don't act now" and said "We're taking control of the oil to ensure this doesn't happen". I guess they needed a "catalyzing event" to facilitate a faster permission slip.
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For america's future, 911 will definitely be a good call in the "greater good of all" sense. however, 3 problems-
1) Operation Northwoods called for using military folks dressed as college kids. 911 killed civilians. Go after a military base or something if you want to fake shit. there were 200 jumpers on 911. Must have sucked.
2) Restricted civil rights. Patriot act, etc. Total bullshit. I guess it's a control mechanism in place, in case someone like Condi or Rummy lost it and admitted inside job to keep people from rioting, etc. But come on...
3) Douchebags like beach bum get 5 or 6 years to say "CTers are crazy" before the truth starts to creep out.
That's about it. IMO Bush should have said on day 1: "Here's the numbers, your kids will be speaking chinese in 20 years if we don't act now" and said "We're taking control of the oil to ensure this doesn't happen". I guess they needed a "catalyzing event" to facilitate a faster permission slip.
the pretense wasnt just for amreekans, it was for the world ...
it wasnt just a pretense for war and oil, it was a pretense for the balance of power in the world, in the amreekan government, and over the mind ....
it wasnt just a pretence it was a cover up, it helped cover up the 2.3 trillion, Enron, Worldcom, and even 911 itself
i dont care if 3000 civilicans were killed, compared to millions dying of starvation its a very good deal ... would def suck if it was one of us but in 100 years nobody will care ... 3000 is nothing in the greater scheme of things
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Hmm you make a good utilitarian point. UN can't say shit as we shit on geneva and invade unilaterally.
Fair enough.
what about the D-bags like beach bum?
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not douchebags, useful idiots
most people do not have the IQ to understand why amreeka called for, needed, carried out and profited tremendously from 911 ... and if they do have the capacity for this, they usually dont want to admit their government could or would do such a thing and end up doing back flips to avoid the reality
either way they will remain cluseless long enough for 911 to serve its purpose and without any real justice ... because nobody other than the victims families gives a f**k about them, everyoen else is really just concerned with their own safety ... this is exactly why 911 was so traumatic, any of us could have been in those buildings millions passed through each year, towers falling from the skies ... as the annoyingly brilliant movie who killed john oniel said, it was a massive military op combined with an even more massive psyop
me personally, i just want to know what happened ... it is amazing to think of the scale of deception that has gone on and how it all fell into place with the wargames, blocked investigations, terrorist/drug dealers/isi aganets, crooked flight schools, .. yada yada ... a weak man would cry for 911, a real man would learn from it ;D
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very interesting.
what will it be like when the truth come out? Will it? Will they ever have a mock investigation? Or just let the sleeping dogs lie?
Will history acknowledge 911 as an inside job? how will bush cheney be remembered?
London Evening Standard:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23385010-details/An+explosion+of+disbelief+-+fresh+doubts+over+911/article.do
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how many years you think the bastards planned it?
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i do not know, i would imagine the concept had been around for years and the specifics came at a much closer date ... but 2 things i would guess on:
a) at some point it will be common knowledge 911 was an inside job, much like other famous false flags in history (ie reichstag, invasion of poland, gulf of tompken etc)
b) at some point people's emotional attachment to it will wane and it wont matter ... im sure there were numerous studies done on mass post traumatic stress disorder in the wake of pearl harbour and what not that gave your government date on what to expect ... people suffering recurring trauma (as we all were being glued to footage of plans hitting towers on cnn) are very succeptable to suggestion
i myself remember calling my friend a fool when he said 911 was an inside job 5 years ago becuse it was inconceivable to me that your government would do that ... a few years later from eyes that had seen the aftermath of enron, and having a much better understanding of the way cash flows through the world/finally seeing footage of the collapses from that day up close it seemed crazy to think anything other than inside job went down
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Yeah, I tried to fight a guy who said we attacked ourselves, that was less than a year ago. and i have a degree in history and mba with lots of economics. i can imagine how long it would take a high school dropout like beach bum to come up with understanding it.
here's a funny video clip on suggestion and 9/11. These guys are so incredibly obvious, but we were scared and willing to believe anything:
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/80.html
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Wow, those pictures put into prespective America's domination of world's most sought after resource. How can people like bruce, beach and ajoker defend the number of outposts in that specific sequence? They can't all be for protecting America... ::)
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red is what i believe amreeka is building, (i noted the second option into india which i have also heard)
the blue is what china would have been able to build in 15 years, had we not gotten there first and made sure we could middle man their oil
what made rocafeller so great is the genius of controlling distribution, as opposed to just extraction, and thats exactly what the US is locking up
Do some real research.
The Chinese and Russians and India are planing pipeline. Iran Pakistan and India are in the final negotiations for a pipeline. http://www.rediff.com/money/2006/dec/07oil.htm
All other Caspian oil for the west will be shipped through Turkey.
But hey live your 9/11 conspiracy even though none of the future plans are true.
Afghanistan and area are just too risky.
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you should read your own articles, the last line from your link:
"The talks will be arduous and prolonged," he said. "It may be simpler to ship the oil by sea."
which is another way of saying the pipleine is too expensive to be built with present technology and theyll have to wait 15 years (when the low cost easily extractable oil has already been gotten to by the amreekans :)
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you should read your own articles, the last line from your link:
"The talks will be arduous and prolonged," he said. "It may be simpler to ship the oil by sea."
which is another way of saying the pipleine is too expensive to be built with present technology and theyll have to wait 15 years (when the low cost easily extractable oil has already been gotten to by the amreekans :)
Ouch, it's got to be tough when the link you post to make your point actually doesn't make your point.
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Ouch, it's got to be tough when the link you post to make your point actually doesn't make your point.
The same would be true of going through Afghanistan.
Bu then again you never put topography on your little drawing.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1923060,0012.htm (http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1923060,0012.htm)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3723249.stm
Once again sandy you missed the point. There are 3 pipelines in the process of being funded and is built to get Caspian oil out.
The Kazakhstan China Pipeline is being constructed. IPI pipeline is about to go ahead. The Russia, China, India Pipeline is getting funding. The Georgia, Turkey pipeline is already being used.
None of the funded projects go through Afghanistan.
Read the Venezuela thread if you want more info about the pipelines for Caspian Sea developments.
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Hahmed Karzai used to work for Unocal, the firm which was originally going to put in the pipeline.
The taleban dumped Unocal and chose another firm from Argentina, and we invaded them for 9/11.
Then, we coincidentally make a former Unocal employee their President.
And, the president's special envoy to afghanistan who coordinated everything was PNAC writer zalmay Khalizad.
(Sorta like how bremer and wolfy were PNAC writers and managed everything in Iraq.)
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Hahmed Karzai used to work for Unocal, the firm which was originally going to put in the pipeline.
The taleban dumped Unocal and chose another firm from Argentina, and we invaded them for 9/11.
Then, we coincidentally make a former Unocal employee their President.
And, the president's special envoy to afghanistan who coordinated everything was PNAC writer zalmay Khalizad.
(Sorta like how bremer and wolfy were PNAC writers and managed everything in Iraq.)
240 that is factually incorrect.
After 1998 American companies were not allowed to deal with the Taliban. I already posted the corrected time line.
Also no deal has ever been finalized the closest was in 1998 before America attacked Afghanistan the first time.
Unocal isn't even invest in the pipeline anymore, because there are other ones being built and the there is too much risk.
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240 that is factually incorrect.
Am I incorrect about these two men - yes or no?
I'm reading the damn 911 commission report analysis right now my friend. Are you SERIOUSLY saying there were no negotiations with the taleban after 1998? That is seriously flawed and completely wrong and I will put money down if you want!
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Am I incorrect about these two men - yes or no?
I'm reading the damn 911 commission report analysis right now my friend. Are you SERIOUSLY saying there were no negotiations with the taleban after 1998? That is seriously flawed and completely wrong and I will put money down if you want!
You know I am right I all ready posted all of the information about future pipelines and on Afghanistan and their role for pipeline development. The Taliban quite negotiating with Unocal in 1998 because the US government froze development and business with Afghanistan.
A deal was signed in 2002 after the government changed. The pipeline never got built Unocal pulled out and the wasn't even started by anyone else because of the upheaval in other countries and more secure routed through other countries.
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wait - what was wrong in my statement?
Hahmed Karzai used to work for Unocal, the firm which was originally going to put in the pipeline.
The taleban dumped Unocal and chose another firm from Argentina, and we invaded them for 9/11.
Then, we coincidentally make a former Unocal employee their President.
And, the president's special envoy to afghanistan who coordinated everything was PNAC writer zalmay Khalizad.
(Sorta like how bremer and wolfy were PNAC writers and managed everything in Iraq.)
I gotta call you out on this one.
Please show me ONE FACT THAT IS WRONG in my post.
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some recent news
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/ntc65139.htm
Work on TAPI gas pipeline to be accelerated
26-11-06 Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India, the four partners of a proposed $ 3.3 bn pipeline, have vowed to accelerate work on the four-nation project to bring natural gas from Turkmenistan to India.
The declaration was adopted in New Delhi at a two-day regional economic cooperation forum on Afghanistan, which was attended by Afghan President Hamid Karzai.
The partners of the so-called TAPI pipeline also committed to help Afghanistan become an energy bridge in the region. India's Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee appealed to member countries to resolve all disputes pertaining to the project so work can be complete on time.
"Work will be accelerated on the TAPI gas pipeline to develop a technically and commercially viable project," said the declaration.
The federal Indian Cabinet in its meeting May 19 gave its formal approval for India to join the pipeline though it had not formally been invited to become a part of the US- and Asian Development Bank-backed project. India also suggested that a working group on electricity, trade and energy development for TAPI be formed and the meeting of the group be held regularly so progress on the project can be monitored. The other three members of the project agreed to the suggestion.
"The pipeline project has the potential to meet natural gas requirements of the region contributing to stability in the South Asian region," said Jayanto Roychowdhury, a senior energy analyst.
India has asked Pakistan for transit facility as a part of the strategy for the development of Afghanistan. Initially, New Delhi expressed concern over the security of the pipeline, as half of it would pass through restive parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan. Following assurances from the member countries and the United States, however, India decided to join the joint venture.
"The US has also been pushing for the development of closer ties between Central Asia and South Asia and has supported the TAPI project as opposed to the Iran-Pakistan-India has pipeline," said Rangin Dadfar Sapanta, foreign minister of Afghanistan, who accompanied Karzai to the conference.
The ADB, the major sponsor of the project, allocated $ 1.5 mm to feasibility studies for the 790-mile pipeline. The feasibility study was completed in June 2003. Work on the project could not start, however, as there were doubts over its commercial feasibility. Those differences were resolved, however.
"India is all set to join the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan (TAP) gas pipeline project," said Dinsha Patel, junior Indian minister for petroleum and natural gas, who participated in two meetings of the steering committee of TAP before it became TAPI. "India, which is looking for alternative sources of gas, would participate in the TAP as a partner in the project."
Some of the issues that caused the delay such as finalizing amendments to the intergovernmental and framework agreements of the project were discussed thoroughly and thrashed out in the last meeting of the steering committee in September.
Although TAPI is not being considered as an alternative to the Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline, it would be easier to implement as it has the support of ADB. In mid-February, TAP's steering committee gave India three months to submit a formal request to join the $ 3.3-bn project, a process made mandatory by the ADB.
TAPI is expected to transport 100 mm cmpd of gas, of which India's share is 60 mm cmpd. The Indian Cabinet authorized the Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas to submit a formal request to join the project to the governments of Afghanistan, Pakistan and Turkmenistan, a process facilitated by the ADB. The proposed pipeline would stretch from the Turkmenistan/Afghanistan border in south-eastern Turkmenistan, to Multan, Pakistan, and be extended to India. The pipeline will carry natural gas from the Daulatabad Field in south-eastern Turkmenistan to India.
The prospects of the TAP gas pipeline came alive when India decided to join because the project was deemed unprofitable without Indian participation.
joker, the deal could only go through after the taliban was ejected ... and why was the taliban ejected... 911 ::)
anywho from the looks of the article 60% of the oil will suddenly be going to india .. wassup with that?
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some recent news
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/ntc65139.htm
joker, the deal could only go through after the taliban was ejected ... and why was the taliban ejected... 911 ::)
anywho from the looks of the article 60% of the oil will suddenly be going to india .. wassup with that?
Thanks for the article.
The US does not want India to start to get Iranian oil and is looking at TAPI pipeline to replace it. This is stated in your article.
The IPI is going ahead anyway Iran has dropped the price on export shipments to India and it looks like Afghanistan will be frozen out.
The article I posted was from Feb. 8,2007.
The TAPI isn't even funded and they can't find backers by the way.
Regardless. There are many ways to get oil and gas out of the Caspian without using a pipeline in Afghanistan.
China has already found a way, and India has multiple ways including using the Chinese and Iranian pipelines.
Seems that the war was a waste if it was to control pipeline routes.
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joker
why did we put a Unocal employee in as leader of afghanistan,
and why did you tell me i was wrong when i was right?
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joker
why did we put a Unocal employee in as leader of afghanistan,
and why did you tell me i was wrong when i was right?
Your reason for 9-11 is wrong as is most of your thoughts of Afghanistan.
The pipeline, if it goes ahead will have no connection with Unocal.
So his link to the company is meaningless.
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Your reason for 9-11 is wrong as is most of your thoughts of Afghanistan.
The pipeline, if it goes ahead will have no connection with Unocal.
So his link to the company is meaningless.
nope. You said my info was 100% incorrect. My info was the two men and their previous positions.
Kinda shitty of you to say that, when my info was correct. I even looked the shit up in a book, and online to verify. You're breaking my balls here.
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Hahmed Karzai used to work for Unocal, the firm which was originally going to put in the pipeline.
The taleban dumped Unocal and chose another firm from Argentina, and we invaded them for 9/11.
Then, we coincidentally make a former Unocal employee their President.
And, the president's special envoy to afghanistan who coordinated everything was PNAC writer zalmay Khalizad.
(Sorta like how bremer and wolfy were PNAC writers and managed everything in Iraq.)
The taliban didn't dump Unocal, the deal was contingent on Unocal money. In 2003 Unocal tried again to get the pipeline contract.
The comapny found it to be too risky and pulled out.
The part that is factually incorrect is that Unocal left the bargaining because of American air strikes in 1998.
3 years before 9/11 and a pipeline across Afghanistan still isn't being built.
By the way the map Sandy posted was wrong . The pipeline is to go through the western portion of Afghanistan, that is the heavy Pushtun area, with real close links to Pakistan and the Taliban. Canada is in the Forward base in Kandahar, not America.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline)
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you're wrong. 6 weeks before 9/11, we were still trying to get that deal. come on bro, read!!
August 2, 2001: US Official Secretly Meets Taliban Ambassador in Last Attempt to Secure Pipeline DealChristina Rocca, Director of Asian Affairs at the US State Department, secretly meets the Taliban ambassador in Islamabad, apparently in a last ditch attempt to secure a pipeline deal. Rocca was previously in charge of contacts with Islamic guerrilla groups at the CIA, and oversaw the delivery of Stinger missiles to Afghan mujahedeen in the 1980s. [Irish Times, 11/19/2001; Brisard and Dasquie, 2002, pp. 45; Salon, 2/8/2002]
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you're wrong. 6 weeks before 9/11, we were still trying to get that deal. come on bro, read!!
August 2, 2001: US Official Secretly Meets Taliban Ambassador in Last Attempt to Secure Pipeline DealChristina Rocca, Director of Asian Affairs at the US State Department, secretly meets the Taliban ambassador in Islamabad, apparently in a last ditch attempt to secure a pipeline deal. Rocca was previously in charge of contacts with Islamic guerrilla groups at the CIA, and oversaw the delivery of Stinger missiles to Afghan mujahedeen in the 1980s. [Irish Times, 11/19/2001; Brisard and Dasquie, 2002, pp. 45; Salon, 2/8/2002]
So where is the deal and the pipeline.
5 years later and everyone (India and Pakistan) has started to move on to something else. There has been no construction and Unocal wants nothing to do with the project.
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So where is the deal and the pipeline.
5 years later and everyone (India and Pakistan) has started to move on to something else. There has been no construction and Unocal wants nothing to do with the project.
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We're not there for the oil, silly!
Why would the pipeline have anything to do with the US presence?