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Title: 90's competitors were light years ahead of todays pros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The Squadfather on February 13, 2007, 03:13:37 PM: look at the guys on top during the 90's, Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Flex Wheeler, Mike Francois,Yates, Nasser and they are in a completely different class than the guys today.
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Post by: IceCold on February 13, 2007, 03:14:14 PM: and who dominated the 90's.

;D
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Post by: MRMD2003 on February 13, 2007, 03:15:14 PM: you aint lying. today's pro's can't compare
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Post by: The Squadfather on February 13, 2007, 03:15:24 PM: Quote from: IceCold on February 13, 2007, 03:14:14 PM
and who dominated the 90's.

;D
i just added him, i always forget Dorian because i never really liked him much but he was one of the best.
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Post by: slaveboy1980 on February 13, 2007, 03:16:28 PM: agreed sarcasm. you forgot some guys tho...such as clairmonte, labrada,

pre belly ronnie

cormier
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Post by: MRMD2003 on February 13, 2007, 03:16:57 PM: squad, who's the best bb of the 90's
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Post by: The Squadfather on February 13, 2007, 03:17:16 PM: Quote from: slaveboy1980 on February 13, 2007, 03:16:28 PM
agreed sarcasm. you forgot some guys tho...such as clairmonte, labrada,
yeah i'd probably put Dillett in there as well.
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Post by: slaveboy1980 on February 13, 2007, 03:18:11 PM: Quote from: The Squadfather on February 13, 2007, 03:17:16 PM
yeah i'd probably put Dillett in there as well.

of course dillet..how could i forget him. he was a true freak.

jablonicky too..
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Post by: The Squadfather on February 13, 2007, 03:18:51 PM: Quote from: MRMD2003 on February 13, 2007, 03:16:57 PM
squad, who's the best bb of the 90's
Shawn or Flex easily, no doubt about it.
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Post by: slaveboy1980 on February 13, 2007, 03:19:04 PM: all of these would rape cutler
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Post by: daddy8ball on February 13, 2007, 03:19:47 PM: I agree.

Strydom looked good, as did Porter Cotrell.
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Post by: SS on February 13, 2007, 03:20:39 PM: Quote from: slaveboy1980 on February 13, 2007, 03:19:04 PM
all of these would rape cutler
yes but their dick would orange :-\
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Post by: The Squadfather on February 13, 2007, 03:20:50 PM: Quote from: slaveboy1980 on February 13, 2007, 03:19:04 PM
all of these would rape cutler
as much as i like Jay i would say that Shawn, Flex or Kevin at their best should destroy him in a perfect world.
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Post by: slaveboy1980 on February 13, 2007, 03:21:31 PM: 90s was the best bodybuilding era of all time.
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Post by: SS on February 13, 2007, 03:22:40 PM: Quote from: slaveboy1980 on February 13, 2007, 03:21:31 PM
90s was the best bodybuilding era of all time.
for me the 90's were the best of everything
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Post by: slaveboy1980 on February 13, 2007, 03:22:54 PM: Quote from: The Squadfather on February 13, 2007, 03:20:50 PM
as much as i like Jay i would say that Shawn, Flex or Kevin at their best should destroy him in a perfect world.

yeah, dillet could have destroyed alot of guys tho...if only his back was better...but there are no ifs or buts
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Post by: ribonucleic on February 13, 2007, 03:23:44 PM: Quote from: daddy8ball on February 13, 2007, 03:19:47 PM
as did Porter Cotrell.

I'm glad someone else mentioned him. That beefy little runt had a lotta heart.
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Post by: slaveboy1980 on February 13, 2007, 03:24:59 PM: Quote from: ribonucleic on February 13, 2007, 03:23:44 PM
I'm glad someone else mentioned him. That beefy little runt had a lotta heart.

did high reps on legpress
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Post by: lvtolft on February 13, 2007, 03:25:32 PM: I don't know what happened today, but back then there were a lot more pros that you really admired their physiques. Nowadays, their stomachs are so large, it is disappointing.
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Post by: slaveboy1980 on February 13, 2007, 03:27:09 PM: Quote from: lvtolft on February 13, 2007, 03:25:32 PM
I don't know what happened today, but back then there were a lot more pros that you really admired their physiques. Nowadays, their stomachs are so large, it is disappointing.

yates deserved one mr olympia.
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Post by: The Squadfather on February 13, 2007, 03:27:19 PM: Quote from: lvtolft on February 13, 2007, 03:25:32 PM
I don't know what happened today, but back then there were a lot more pros that you really admired their physiques. Nowadays, their stomachs are so large, it is disappointing.
if i had a chance to snap my fingers and have a physique like Shawn, Kevin or Flex i'd do it in a minute, as much as i respect Ronnie and Jay i wouldn't want to look like them.
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Post by: gtbro1 on February 13, 2007, 03:28:47 PM: Quote from: superstarbillygram on February 13, 2007, 03:22:40 PM
for me the 90's were the best of everything

ME TOO!!!
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Post by: SteelePegasus on February 13, 2007, 03:32:41 PM: There is hope!!
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Post by: chainsaw on February 13, 2007, 05:08:04 PM: You forgot Materarzzo
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Post by: GHGut on February 13, 2007, 06:43:40 PM: Not only that, these guys (you mention Wheeler, Levrone, Francois and we gotta add Yates) turned pro and immediately dominated the sport. How many recent pros, other than Phil Heath, have turned pro and won their first shows?

I'll go you one further...new talent didn't usurp Yates, Levrone and Wheeler. They beat themselves. For example, Kevin in 92 at the NOC was one of the best physiques on a bodybuilding stage EVER. Years later he got bigger, but he lost his conditioning. So, yeah, guys placed ahead of him, but he wasn't the same Kevin that once was. Ditto Flex, Francois, Yates...
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Post by: MCWAY on February 13, 2007, 06:47:09 PM: Quote from: slaveboy1980 on February 13, 2007, 03:19:04 PM
all of these would rape cutler

I could have sworn that Cutler beat Ray and Levrone in 2001 at the Olympia. He has never placed lower than second since that time. And now, unlike Ray, Wheeler, and Levrone, Cutler has gone over the top and won Mr. Olympia.
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Post by: Royalty on February 13, 2007, 06:53:16 PM: Cutler is better than most of the guys listed above.....274lbs with striated quads and wicked rear double bicep pose is tough to beat.

anyways......

Mohamed Beneziza was a pro who won his first 4-5 pro shows....even defeated Yates at the 1990 NOC
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Post by: gtbro1 on February 13, 2007, 06:54:16 PM: Quote from: Royalty on February 13, 2007, 06:53:16 PM
Cutler is better than most of the guys listed above.....274lbs with striated quads and wicked rear double bicecep pose is tough to beat.

anyways......

Mohamed Beneziza was a pro who won his first 4-5 pro shows....even defeating Yates at the 1990 NOC

but Flex had incredible conditioning.Guy was always ripped.
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Post by: Royalty on February 13, 2007, 06:56:41 PM: Quote from: gtbro1 on February 13, 2007, 06:54:16 PM
but Flex had incredible conditioning.Guy was always ripped.

Flex was always one of Jay's favorites bodybuilders when Jay was rising through the ranks
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Post by: gtbro1 on February 13, 2007, 07:16:57 PM: Quote from: Royalty on February 13, 2007, 06:56:41 PM

Flex was always one of Jay's favorites bodybuilders when Jay was rising through the ranks

probably due to his astounding 0.0% body fat
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Post by: Irongrip400 on February 13, 2007, 07:27:01 PM: Quote from: gtbro1 on February 13, 2007, 07:16:57 PM
probably due to his astounding 0.0% body fat
damn, you beat me to it! BTW, where was that measured at? ;D
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Post by: benjamin pearson on February 13, 2007, 07:27:42 PM: IMO shawn ray was the best bodybuilder of all time in terms of what I personally prefer
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Post by: gtbro1 on February 13, 2007, 07:28:18 PM: Quote from: irongrip400 on February 13, 2007, 07:27:01 PM
damn, you beat me to it! BTW, where was that measured at? ;D

Gold's Gym. Bill smith measured it and Jim Quinn was a witness
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Post by: flex933 on February 13, 2007, 07:34:21 PM: vince taylor was good also.
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Post by: suckmymuscle on February 13, 2007, 08:10:53 PM: This is the man who stopped Flex from achieving Sandow glory. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Post by: SWOLETRAIN on February 13, 2007, 08:12:14 PM: volume training happened...... Nobody wants to lift heavy anymore!
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Post by: Stavios on February 13, 2007, 08:15:44 PM: IMO, that is the coolest physique of all time
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Post by: suckmymuscle on February 13, 2007, 08:16:45 PM: Here's him stalking Flex right before jumping on Flex's car and atTacking him. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Post by: gtbro1 on February 13, 2007, 08:38:39 PM: Quote from: suckmymuscle on February 13, 2007, 08:16:45 PM
Here's him stalking Flex right before jumping on Flex's car and atTacking him. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

SUCKMYMUSCLE

lol
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Post by: Camel Jockey on February 13, 2007, 08:40:06 PM: Forgot about Vince Taylor.
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Post by: Hulkster on February 13, 2007, 08:40:57 PM: Quote from: Royalty on February 13, 2007, 06:53:16 PM
Cutler is better than most of the guys listed above.....274lbs with striated quads and wicked rear double bicecep pose is tough to beat.

anyways......

Mohamed Beneziza was a pro who won his first 4-5 pro shows....even defeated Yates at the 1990 NOC

Jay sure as hell does not have a "wicked" rear double biceps pose...

its okay, but nothing special compared to the other great backs of our time.
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Post by: gtbro1 on February 13, 2007, 08:41:15 PM: great avatar Camel Jockey
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Post by: gtbro1 on February 13, 2007, 08:42:20 PM: Quote from: Hulkster on February 13, 2007, 08:40:57 PM
Jay sure as hell does not have a "wicked" rear double biceps pose...

its okay, but nothing special compared to the other great backs of our time.

He also does not have 0.0% bodyfat
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Post by: Earl1972 on February 13, 2007, 08:48:44 PM: Quote from: GHGut on February 13, 2007, 06:43:40 PM
For example, Kevin in 92 at the NOC was one of the best physiques on a bodybuilding stage EVER. Years later he got bigger, but he lost his conditioning.

yeah I actually think he was at his best then

so many physiques to admire back then but now they are just an embarrassment :-\

E
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Post by: Earl1972 on February 13, 2007, 08:49:59 PM: Quote from: Camel Jockey on February 13, 2007, 08:40:06 PM
Forgot about Vince Taylor.

yeah I think vince is the most underrated pro ever

E
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Post by: Stavios on February 13, 2007, 08:50:13 PM: Quote from: Earl1972 on February 13, 2007, 08:48:44 PM
yeah I actually think he was at his best then

so many physiques to admire back then but now they are just an embarrassment :-\

E

Dennis Newman and Levrone were unbeatable from the front

they both had crazy huge delts and arms 8)
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Post by: flex933 on February 13, 2007, 08:59:59 PM: benafato was pretty good, except for his legs were on the small side
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Post by: Dballn247 on February 14, 2007, 04:14:56 AM: Quote from: Stavios on February 13, 2007, 08:50:13 PM
Dennis Newman and Levrone were unbeatable from the front

they both had crazy huge delts and arms 8)

Agreed. Newman was like an All white levrone, Levrone was like a part black Newman. They were both freaks with huge delts and arms. I saw Levrone in person at the NPC Southern States as the guest poser, He was one of the biggest guys I've ever seen in real life. Darem charles and Vince Taylor both came out to check him out. I remember seeing an add in the old flex mags with Kevin sitting next to porter cotrell, He made him look tiny.

I'm not crazy about the push for symetry, I miss the old days when guys that had freaky parts were turning heads. Now If someone has freaky arms or delts people scream synthol.
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Post by: natural al on February 14, 2007, 04:39:24 AM: I still thin if you had a time machine and stuck Jay Cutler in it the day of the last olympia and put him onstage at an early 90's olympia he wouldn't win. I honestly dont' see him beating Yates, Ray, Levrone, Labrada, Flex or Dillet using the standards they used back then. You're supposed to be seperated and musclular, you're supposed to have a defined midsection. Jay just looks liek a fidge with limbs, so does ronnie. If you look at everything that BB is supposed to be there arent' that many guys in the top 10 right now who would exemplify the standards that BB is supposed to be about. Look at the shot of Padilla, he has everything a BB should have and if judged properly would destroy most of the top 10 today. Maybe Dexter and heath meet the requirements, maybe toney Freeman but out of the top 10 guys at the last olympia only Dex, Toney and maybe Victor demosntrate what BB is supposed to be.
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Post by: Royalty on February 14, 2007, 07:35:21 AM: Quote from: Hulkster on February 13, 2007, 08:40:57 PM
Jay sure as hell does not have a "wicked" rear double biceps pose...

its okay, but nothing special compared to the other great backs of our time.

He beat Ronnie and Victor on the pose at the Olympia....that says a lot!
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Post by: bailey on February 14, 2007, 07:48:47 AM: Think about it. The guys in the 90's actually trained !!!! much harder than today. Sure they did there ( " Supps ") But they were not built on them ! they just inhanced them. Today you got kids in the gym who have never trained without them. Funny., You will only see them in the gym if they are on a cycle. Otherwise you don't see them for months.
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Post by: SS on February 14, 2007, 07:50:03 AM: Quote from: bailey on February 14, 2007, 07:48:47 AM
You will only see them in the gym if they are on a cycle. Otherwise you don't see them for months.
isn't that the truth. they'll even admit that.
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Post by: Royalty on February 14, 2007, 07:51:02 AM: Quote from: bailey on February 14, 2007, 07:48:47 AM
You will only see them in the gym if they are on a cycle. Otherwise you don't see them for months.

the pros in the 90's were the same way..

Yates and Haney did train when they were off so the rose to the top..
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Post by: HUGEPECS on February 14, 2007, 07:57:29 AM: this new generation of bodybuilders will have to do better than the 90's BBs. so far, it's not happening
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Post by: BUCK 65 on February 14, 2007, 08:00:16 AM: What about Mr.Priest who has managed to transcend the millenium ?
He is one of the only ones I can think of who is still actively competing from the above mentioned guys -Is there anyone else form the 90 's ??
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Post by: Mr. Intenseone on February 14, 2007, 09:04:07 AM: I agree with the title of this thread 100%............the same arguement could be made for the 80's as well!
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Post by: The Squadfather on February 14, 2007, 09:05:15 AM: Quote from: BUCK 65 on February 14, 2007, 08:00:16 AM
What about Mr.Priest who has managed to transcend the millenium ?
He is one of the only ones I can think of who is still actively competing from the above mentioned guys -Is there anyone else form the 90 's ??
yeah i forgot about Lee, throw him in there as well as one of the best ever.
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Post by: benjamin pearson on February 14, 2007, 10:00:52 AM: Lee is a great competitor..... but do you think with his lack of chest and back development (though still outstanding) allows him to be one of the best alltime??
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Post by: ChristopherA on February 14, 2007, 10:29:46 AM: Quote from: benjamin pearson on February 14, 2007, 10:00:52 AM
Lee is a great competitor..... but do you think with his lack of chest and back development (though still outstanding) allows him to be one of the best alltime??
Longevity has to count for something. Still has his hair and his face hasnt morphed into somethin else.I was flippin through MD the other day and Branch Warren looks like hes gonna die.Whats up with wearin winter beanies to the gym too.Doesnt he live in Texas?I live in New England and the last thing I wanna do is wear a wool hat to the gym.
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Post by: BUCK 65 on February 14, 2007, 02:36:00 PM: Quote from: benjamin pearson on February 14, 2007, 10:00:52 AM
Lee is a great competitor..... but do you think with his lack of chest and back development (though still outstanding) allows him to be one of the best alltime??
We are talking about greats of the 90's generally-Lee certainly is all of that.Lee is to arms , is what Platz was to quads.Also Aaron Baker another underated bb
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Post by: Hulkster on February 14, 2007, 02:47:50 PM: Quote from: Royalty on February 14, 2007, 07:35:21 AM
He beat Ronnie and Victor on the pose at the Olympia....that says a lot!

why?

Ronnie was in his worst ever shape.

it says nothing about having a truly great back
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Post by: natural al on February 14, 2007, 03:22:25 PM: Quote from: Hulkster on February 14, 2007, 02:47:50 PM
why?

Ronnie was in his worst ever shape.

it says nothing about having a truly great back

problem was ronnie didn't look like the pic you posted, he's done. Sorry, he was great for a little while but he ain't what he used to be
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Post by: slaveboy1980 on February 14, 2007, 03:25:28 PM: charles clairmonte was better than any bodybuilder competing today.
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Post by: Hulkster on February 14, 2007, 03:31:08 PM: Quote from: natural al on February 14, 2007, 03:22:25 PM
problem was ronnie didn't look like the pic you posted, he's done. Sorry, he was great for a little while but he ain't what he used to be

and that is exactly my point.

in order to say Jay has a great back you have to compare him to other great backs.

Ronnie in 2006 did not have a great back anymore (relative to his prior showings)

so saying he has a better back than 2006 Ronnie isn't proving anything.
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Post by: slaveboy1980 on February 14, 2007, 03:33:26 PM: Quote from: Hulkster on February 14, 2007, 03:31:08 PM
and that is exactly my point.

in order to say Jay has a great back you have to compare him to other great backs.

Ronnie in 2006 did not have a great back anymore (relative to his prior showings)

so saying he has a better back than 2006 Ronnie isn't proving anything.

can you shut the fuck up about ronnie (and jay)...both of those suck these days. ;D
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 14, 2007, 03:40:19 PM: The thing with the 90s was most of the guys came into shows in shape , you're lucky now if 4 guys are in shape on contest day , the 1990s were much more competitive even on the national level , hell guys like Edgar Fletcher couldn't turn Pro back then in this day and age he'd be a lock .
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Post by: Dballn247 on February 14, 2007, 04:19:58 PM: Quote from: natural al on February 14, 2007, 04:39:24 AM
I still thin if you had a time machine and stuck Jay Cutler in it the day of the last olympia and put him onstage at an early 90's olympia he wouldn't win. I honestly dont' see him beating Yates, Ray, Levrone, Labrada, Flex or Dillet using the standards they used back then. You're supposed to be seperated and musclular, you're supposed to have a defined midsection. Jay just looks liek a fidge with limbs, so does ronnie. If you look at everything that BB is supposed to be there arent' that many guys in the top 10 right now who would exemplify the standards that BB is supposed to be about. Look at the shot of Padilla, he has everything a BB should have and if judged properly would destroy most of the top 10 today. Maybe Dexter and heath meet the requirements, maybe toney Freeman but out of the top 10 guys at the last olympia only Dex, Toney and maybe Victor demosntrate what BB is supposed to be.

I'm not sure about that one. Granted no one was harder than Dorian, but the criteria back then was size and condition, with asthetics coming in a distant third. In the early 90's diuretics were rampant and that led to the dryest physiques on the planet. But if you think Dillet in his day has the same condition that Cutler has you need to have your eyes checked out. Symetry was only the deciding factor if it was close between the two in size and conditioning. Now it is size and symetry, with conditioning being the deciding factor. Bottom line, Jay is bigger and more symetrical than dorian although without the granite conditioning. Jay blows leverone away on size and shape alone, conditioning is about the same. Ray, Lebrada and Flex don't have the size to compare. Plus Flex could never return to his 93 shape. 2006 Jay cutler is Mr. Olympia, Accept it. There are no fantasy matches so just accept it.

The new direction of BB is size and shape. Conditioning has taken a bit of a back seat. The only threat to Cutler would be an in shape Victor M. Dennis James has great size (freakish density) and shape, but needs to tighten up to get that dry granite look that Dorian had. If someone could bring that look back without failing the Diuretics test, that would change the direction that bodybuilding is heading. It would make it more competitive for the smaller guys. But untill then the ultra ripped small guy isn't going to beat the likes of an In shape Cutler. Coleman's done. His body is failing him and the injuries are starting mount up. He'll most likely compete again, but unlike the Injured Dorian who was the defending champ, there is no incentive to perpetuate the career of the 1st loser of the last olympia. Cutler and Victor M would have to blow it on their diets and contest prep for Coleman to win again.

I can certainly appreciate the gains made by coleman as he was a walking defintion of BB. He has brought his physique to freaky proportions, however he is plagued with injuries, Maybe he'll begin to train smarter not harder to prevent injuries, but BB is an EGO sport and I just don't see that happening. I see more injuries in his future.

I think Cutler today back in the 90's (post Munzers death) could have won the O. He was bigger than Dorian and Nasser, and had a more asthetic physique. Prior to that, judges were blinded by the Granite package that dorian presented.
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Post by: The_Hammer on February 14, 2007, 05:05:16 PM: Cutler's midsection is such a horror show compared to Dorian's and everyone else's from the 90's. Compare his ab and thigh pose to Dorian at his worst and Dorian still embarrasses Cutler.

The best he could do would be 2nd or 3rd. Jay has better arms and legs than Dorian, but so did a lot of Dorian's competition from the 90's and he still beat them soundly.

Jay's back is as watery as the Atlantic Ocean. It's quite embarrassing when you do a side-by-side of his back to Dorian's and Ronnie's. Don't let Cutler's watery size fool you, the guy has no more mass than Ronnie or Dorian back there.
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Post by: dzulboy on February 14, 2007, 09:57:43 PM: Quote from: The Squadfather on February 13, 2007, 03:13:37 PM
look at the guys on top during the 90's, Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Flex Wheeler, Mike Francois,Yates, Nasser and they are in a completely different class than the guys today.

couldn't agree more.....
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Post by: pobrecito on February 14, 2007, 09:59:57 PM: The best
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Post by: dzulboy on February 14, 2007, 10:01:30 PM: Quote from: pobrecito on February 14, 2007, 09:59:57 PM
The best

sorry rich gaspari circa 87-88 crushes that
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Post by: pobrecito on February 14, 2007, 10:03:48 PM: Quote from: dzulboy on February 14, 2007, 10:01:30 PM
sorry rich gaspari circa 87-88 crushes that

Nope.

Gaspari was a little twat
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Post by: dzulboy on February 14, 2007, 10:08:24 PM: dorain was 5'10 at 253 gaspari was 5'7 at 230 yea real little
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Post by: b.c. on February 14, 2007, 10:13:41 PM: Gaspari was never 230 lb contest shape, maybe 210-215 max. He doesnt come close to yates or any of the others of the 90's.
Title: Re: 90's competitors were light years ahead of todays pros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: dzulboy on February 14, 2007, 10:16:37 PM: Quote from: b.c. on February 14, 2007, 10:13:41 PM
Gaspari was never 230 lb contest shape, maybe 210-215 max. He doesnt come close to yates or any of the others of the 90's.
he was weighed at one of the olympia's at 228 or 229 sorry 1to 2 lbs off
Title: Re: 90's competitors were light years ahead of todays pros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: b.c. on February 14, 2007, 10:26:23 PM: Not so much about poundage, but he never had the genetics to do what he needed to get over the top. He got washed up fast. Rich had a 19 year old Shawn Ray chasing him by 1988. Its all history now and his only bias now is when he judges ifbb shows and penalizes bigger taller compeptitors. Now he is the judging "dragon slayer"
Title: Re: 90's competitors were light years ahead of todays pros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: pobrecito on February 14, 2007, 10:44:59 PM: Gaspari at 230 bwhahahahahahahahah hahahahahahahah

hahahahahahaha
Title: Re: 90's competitors were light years ahead of todays pros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The_Hammer on February 14, 2007, 11:52:16 PM: Lights Out

(http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q17/Ewingk99/dorianbackshot.jpg)(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=127178.0;attach=142366;image)
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Post by: gtbro1 on February 14, 2007, 11:56:24 PM: (http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q17/Ewingk99/dorianbackshot.jpg)

That is just sick right there. Unbelievable back.
Title: Re: 90's competitors were light years ahead of todays pros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: natural al on February 15, 2007, 05:21:15 AM: Quote from: b.c. on February 14, 2007, 10:26:23 PM
Not so much about poundage, but he never had the genetics to do what he needed to get over the top. He got washed up fast. Rich had a 19 year old Shawn Ray chasing him by 1988. Its all history now and his only bias now is when he judges ifbb shows and penalizes bigger taller compeptitors. Now he is the judging "dragon slayer"

Gaspari was 2nd best in the world from 85-89, not bad for a guy with narrow shoulders and a big waist. Nobody took thier body to the limit more than Rich did in terms of development. Everyone of his bodyparts could be on a list for "best of all time": Quads, calves, hamstrings, glutes, back-after 88 it improved alot, abs-probably top 5 alltime, chest, shoulders...the guy took everything as far as he could. Conditioning was the standard and he set it. He dominated shows that didn't have haney in them. He was just awsome.

Realistically Shawn was hyped as the next big thing and looked great when he won the nationals but he was no threat to Rich until at least 1990, in 88 shawn placed 4th at the NOC and well behind Rich at the 88 Olympia and fell off the radar for awhile. So I don't think Rich was sweating a 19 year old shawn ray...in 1990 it was a little different story but by that time Rich had already begun to tear his body to pieces....
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Post by: slaveboy1980 on February 15, 2007, 05:40:51 AM: gaspari (regardless of his weight) isnt even close to the top names in the 90s...he was a hard worker but he didnt have the structure.
Title: Re: 90's competitors were light years ahead of todays pros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: natural al on February 15, 2007, 05:43:41 AM: Quote from: slaveboy1980 on February 15, 2007, 05:40:51 AM
gaspari (regardless of his weight) isnt even close to the top names in the 90s...he was a hard worker but he didnt have the structure.

I guess I was talking more of the 80's-forgot the name of the thread ;D ;D

90's-no. Rich just tore his body up to bad to be a factor in the 90's. He tried a comeback in 95ish but he tried to come in waaaay to heavy for his frame and everything on him was tore, he looked really bad. If he would have stepped onstage in the kind of shape he was in in 1986 he might have still been a factor but he didn't so he wasn't.
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Post by: donrhummy on February 15, 2007, 03:21:50 PM: Quote from: natural al on February 14, 2007, 04:39:24 AM
I still thin if you had a time machine and stuck Jay Cutler in it the day of the last olympia and put him onstage at an early 90's olympia he wouldn't win. I honestly dont' see him beating Yates, Ray, Levrone, Labrada, Flex or Dillet using the standards they used back then. You're supposed to be seperated and musclular, you're supposed to have a defined midsection. Jay just looks liek a fidge with limbs, so does ronnie. If you look at everything that BB is supposed to be there arent' that many guys in the top 10 right now who would exemplify the standards that BB is supposed to be about. Look at the shot of Padilla, he has everything a BB should have and if judged properly would destroy most of the top 10 today. Maybe Dexter and heath meet the requirements, maybe toney Freeman but out of the top 10 guys at the last olympia only Dex, Toney and maybe Victor demosntrate what BB is supposed to be.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=127178.0;attach=142195;image)

WOW. He looks incredible there. BB's gone no where in the last 26 years...
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Post by: Dballn247 on February 15, 2007, 05:26:32 PM: Quote from: The_Hammer on February 14, 2007, 05:05:16 PM
Cutler's midsection is such a horror show compared to Dorian's and everyone else's from the 90's. Compare his ab and thigh pose to Dorian at his worst and Dorian still embarrasses Cutler.

The best he could do would be 2nd or 3rd. Jay has better arms and legs than Dorian, but so did a lot of Dorian's competition from the 90's and he still beat them soundly.

Jay's back is as watery as the Atlantic Ocean. It's quite embarrassing when you do a side-by-side of his back to Dorian's and Ronnie's. Don't let Cutler's watery size fool you, the guy has no more mass than Ronnie or Dorian back there.

I'm not turning this into a Dorian bashing thread as he was awesome, However, like you said Jay has way better arms and legs. He's flat out bigger than dorian and has a better shape. I'll agree that Dorian was dryer, but he was dryer than everyone. I'm sure defending Mr. Olympias urine sampe was tested. ::)

I'm sure that if Jay was able to use the same amounts of Diuretics as Dorian he'd be as dry, plus with his shape and lack of muscle tears, would look 10x better. But who know's now that he's won the O, Maybe he'll get a pass on the tests. I mean look at Ronnie, once he won the O do you think he ever tested positive? It happens to second place guys like Nasser and even Jay in the past, but you don't hear about it happening to the champ.
Title: Re: 90's competitors were light years ahead of todays pros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 15, 2007, 05:36:51 PM: Quote from: dzulboy on February 14, 2007, 10:08:24 PM
dorain was 5'10 at 253 gaspari was 5'7 at 230 yea real little

Dorian 1995 was 260 pounds Gaspari in 1988 was 209 pounds thats a 51 pound advantage
Title: Re: 90's competitors were light years ahead of todays pros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: dzulboy on February 16, 2007, 09:12:13 AM: Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on February 15, 2007, 05:36:51 PM
Dorian 1995 was 260 pounds Gaspari in 1988 was 209 pounds thats a 51 pound advantage
87 was 228 but theis thread is the 90's i wasn;t thinking not 80's
Title: Re: 90's competitors were light years ahead of todays pros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Buttsuck on February 16, 2007, 09:16:19 AM: Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on February 15, 2007, 05:36:51 PM
Dorian 1995 was 260 pounds Gaspari in 1988 was 209 pounds thats a 51 pound advantage
Dorian was never 260 on stage..... hope this helps
Title: Re: 90's competitors were light years ahead of todays pros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: natural al on February 16, 2007, 09:23:08 AM: Quote from: Buttsuck on February 16, 2007, 09:16:19 AM
Dorian was never 260 on stage..... hope this helps

::) ::) ::) ::)

to quote Kip Dynamite "like anyone could even know that"
Title: Re: 90's competitors were light years ahead of todays pros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: IceCold on February 16, 2007, 10:02:31 AM: Quote from: Hulkster on February 14, 2007, 03:31:08 PM
and that is exactly my point.

in order to say Jay has a great back you have to compare him to other great backs.

Ronnie in 2006 did not have a great back anymore (relative to his prior showings)

so saying he has a better back than 2006 Ronnie isn't proving anything.

cutlers's back is ok.

his rear lat spread is much bette than his BDB.

also, his hams make him look better in those shots bc they detract away from his back.

will his back get better and become one of the best ever, time will tell.
Title: Re: 90's competitors were light years ahead of todays pros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 16, 2007, 02:11:10 PM: Quote from: Buttsuck on February 16, 2007, 09:16:19 AM
Dorian was never 260 on stage..... hope this helps

He was 262 pounds in 1994 and 260 pounds in 1995 and 270 pounds in 1997
Title: Re: 90's competitors were light years ahead of todays pros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hulkster on February 16, 2007, 02:16:00 PM: Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on February 16, 2007, 02:11:10 PM
He was 262 pounds in 1994 and 260 pounds in 1995 and 270 pounds in 1997

true

but he looked more like 470 in 97.. :-\
Title: Re: 90's competitors were light years ahead of todays pros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 16, 2007, 02:18:46 PM: 1988
Title: Re: 90's competitors were light years ahead of todays pros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 16, 2007, 02:20:11 PM: Quote from: Hulkster on February 16, 2007, 02:16:00 PM
true

but he looked more like 470 in 97.. :-\

It could be worse he could only be 247 pounds and have a gigantic gut ;)
Title: Re: 90's competitors were light years ahead of todays pros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The Squadfather on February 16, 2007, 02:25:52 PM: damn look at Ronnie's left arm in that second picture. :o :o
Title: Re: 90's competitors were light years ahead of todays pros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: IceCold on February 16, 2007, 02:44:44 PM: Quote from: Hulkster on February 16, 2007, 02:16:00 PM
true

but he looked more like 470 in 97.. :-\

where'd ronnie place in 97 with his arms, striations, details, taper, etc?

exactly.
Title: Re: 90's competitors were light years ahead of todays pros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Hulkster on February 16, 2007, 02:55:05 PM: Quote from: IceCold on February 16, 2007, 02:44:44 PM

where'd ronnie place in 97 with his arms, striations, details, taper, etc?

exactly.
he didn't have striations and details in 97 - he was smoothish.

and his arms were nothing like they were in 99...

stop trying to imply that Ronnie 97 was even close to Ronnie 99 or 01 AC.

you are making yourself look even more stupid (if thats even possible);

ronnie 97 vs Ronnie 98:
Title: Re: 90's competitors were light years ahead of todays pros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The_Hammer on February 16, 2007, 04:49:07 PM: Quote from: Dballn247 on February 15, 2007, 05:26:32 PM
I'm not turning this into a Dorian bashing thread as he was awesome, However, like you said Jay has way better arms and legs. He's flat out bigger than dorian and has a better shape. I'll agree that Dorian was dryer, but he was dryer than everyone. I'm sure defending Mr. Olympias urine sampe was tested. ::)

I'm sure that if Jay was able to use the same amounts of Diuretics as Dorian he'd be as dry, plus with his shape and lack of muscle tears, would look 10x better. But who know's now that he's won the O, Maybe he'll get a pass on the tests. I mean look at Ronnie, once he won the O do you think he ever tested positive? It happens to second place guys like Nasser and even Jay in the past, but you don't hear about it happening to the champ.

Dorian got his driest when he didn't use diuretics in '96...
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Post by: Camel Jockey on February 16, 2007, 04:55:11 PM: Quote from: gtbro1 on February 13, 2007, 08:41:15 PM
great avatar Camel Jockey

The anti Mr I ;D