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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: BRUCE on February 14, 2007, 06:57:09 PM
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I define myself as a Conservative Humanist.
What are you?
Left?
Right?
Centre?
240?
Have your say, board.
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I'm a pinko commie bastard 8)
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I'm a pinko commie bastard 8)
You forgot to introduce yourself to the group first; we can help you.
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Debussey believes in whatever Gary Busey is saying.
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Debussey believes in whatever Gary Busey is saying.
WWGBD?
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I'm a republican - or a "moderate" republican if you must divide them into moderates and neoconservatives.
I stand for strong defense, but not at the expense of our budgetary future or
i stand for personal liberties and minimal govt involvement.
I stand for soft isolationism - you export when needed but you tariff them too.
I am tough on crime, I don't support welfare growth, and I think people should be held accountable for actions.
I've voted for Bush, Dole, Bush, Bush in my life, even when guys like Beach Bum and Mr I were admittedly voting for Bill Clinton.
I am a *real* republican, not one of these soft-ass newbies who see Bush as the daddy to keep them safe becuase they decided they didn't like clinton anymore once FOX news turned on him in 98.
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I'm a republican - or a "moderate" republican if you must divide them into moderates and neoconservatives.
I stand for strong defense, but not at the expense of our budgetary future or
i stand for personal liberties and minimal govt involvement.
I stand for soft isolationism - you export when needed but you tariff them too.
I am tough on crime, I don't support welfare growth, and I think people should be held accountable for actions.
I've voted for Bush, Dole, Bush, Bush in my life, even when guys like Beach Bum and Mr I were admittedly voting for Bill Clinton.
I am a *real* republican, not one of these soft-ass newbies who see Bush as the daddy to keep them safe becuase they decided they didn't like clinton anymore once FOX news turned on him in 98.
See why I gave you your own category now, Rob? ;)
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See why I gave you your own category now, Rob? ;)
Sure. I'm a true republican.
Incidentally... any true republican would have launched a massive investigation into the failures of 9/11. You have FAA supervisor admitting he destroyed crucial evidence, and nobody even gets a writeup? HA!
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Sure. I'm a true republican.
Incidentally... any true republican would have launched a massive investigation into the failures of 9/11. You have FAA supervisor admitting he destroyed crucial evidence, and nobody even gets a writeup? HA!
Indeed. Have you ordered your books yet? I'll get mine going on the weekend, I need some more political stuff.
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"i stand for personal liberties and minimal govt involvement."--240
To bad this has nothing to do with the republican party anymore... I identify with this statement, but for a long time now, it's the dems who have followed this thinking and government keeps growing under republicans as does the attack on liberty.
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"i stand for personal liberties and minimal govt involvement."--240
To bad this has nothing to do with the republican party anymore... I identify with this statement, but for a long time now, it's the dems who have followed this thinking and government keeps growing under republicans as does the attack on liberty.
I disagree, the Dems subscribe to 'end of the world' prophecies such as Global Warming - which requires Big Government to monitor the country and take the responsibility out of the hands of the voters. This is much like the lightbulbs in California thread we had recently. The social democratic state requires government to be large.
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I disagree, the Dems subscribe to 'end of the world' prophecies such as Global Warming - which requires Big Government to monitor the country and take the responsibility out of the hands of the voters. This is much like the lightbulbs in California thread we had recently. The social democratic state requires government to be large.
gov has grown so much bigger under bush, dems are for a balanced budget and have proved it. They're for the smallest government that meets the common good. The dem party that you're talking about is ancient history left mostly to the text books. You're not speaking in reality, not anymore... The republicans have gone out of their way to increase government interference into people's lives, like they did with that chick that was braindead. Republicans of today are big spenders and very intrusive mofos, and extremely corrupt as they've recently shown...
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republicans have gone out of their way to increase government interference into people's lives, like they did with that chick that was braindead.
Euthanasia has little, if anything, to do with the size of the government. It's a moral policy.
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Euthanasia has little, if anything, to do with the size of the government. It's a moral policy.
yea and your moral policy is pretty intrusive... I didn't say it had to do with size of government, look above, I clearly identified it as intrusive government ;) Nice try but I didn't expect anything less from you than to twist what I say. I said, QUOTE: republicans are "big spenders and very intrusive mofos"
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yea and your moral policy is pretty intrusive... I didn't say it had to do with size of government, look above, I clearly identified it as intrusive government ;) Nice try but I didn't expect anything less from you than to twist what I say. I said, QUOTE: republicans are "big spenders and very intrusive mofos"
So it's 'intrusive' to try and protect the weakest in our society, but not so to say those around them have the right to have them terminated. I'd say losing my right to live while I can't disagree is about the most 'intrusive' act imaginable.
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See why I gave you your own category now, Rob? ;)
Actually, my views aren't that far from 240's on many issues. I would describe myself as a libertarian... I'm a fiscal conservative who believes in limited government, the right to bear arms, and holding people accountable for their actions, but would be considered a social liberal on issues like abortion, stem cell research, drugs, privacy, the rights of the accused, free speech, etc, etc.
I hate socialists who would have a huge government heavily involved in our daily lives and who would tax us into oblivion to pay for it, but I equally hate religious nuts who would try to legislate their own narrow-minded brand of morality on others.
As a result, I don't fit into either the current "left" or "right" schemes, it just depends on the issue.
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Actually, my views aren't that far from 240's on many issues. I would describe myself as a libertarian... I'm a fiscal conservative who believes in limited government, the right to bear arms, and holding people accountable for their actions, but would be considered a social liberal on issues like abortion, stem cell research, drugs, privacy, the rights of the accused, free speech, etc, etc.
I hate socialists who would have a huge government heavily involved in our daily lives and who would tax us into oblivion to pay for it, but I equally hate religious nuts who would try to legislate their own narrow-minded brand of morality on others.
As a result, I don't fit into either the current "left" or "right" schemes, it just depends on the issue.
Good post. I'd like more people here to clarify their positions on such issues - it seems we have a few here that are cross-breeds between what is typically deemed Left or Right.
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goat, i'd love to hear your take on the "7000 iraqis" thread in here.
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goat, i'd love to hear your take on the "7000 iraqis" thread in here.
It's a seriously interesting thread, indeed.
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I am a conservative republican, both fiscally and socially. I believe we should have someone watch where our tax dollars are actually spent so that so much is not wasted.
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So it's 'intrusive' to try and protect the weakest in our society, but not so to say those around them have the right to have them terminated. I'd say losing my right to live while I can't disagree is about the most 'intrusive' act imaginable.
That's right buck rogers, it ain't your fucking business... Stay out of personal decisions in these matters... So many of us have to face difficult choices with ones we love... We don't want the government sticking their goddamned noses in it:
63 percent-28 percent, supports the removal of Schiavo's feeding tube, and by a 25-point margin opposes a law mandating federal review of her case.
And by a lopsided 67 percent-19 percent, most think the elected officials trying to keep Schiavo alive are doing so more for political advantage than out of concern for her or for the principles involved.
That legislative action is distinctly unpopular: Not only do 60 percent oppose it, more — 70 percent — call it inappropriate for Congress to get involved in this way.
How's if feel to be dead wrong again Bruce?...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=599622&page=1
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Staunch independent
centrist - float left on social progress, float right on fiscal responsibility
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That's right buck rogers, it ain't your fucking business... Stay out of personal decisions in these matters... So many of us have to face difficult choices with ones we love... We don't want the government sticking their goddamned noses in it:
63 percent-28 percent, supports the removal of Schiavo's feeding tube, and by a 25-point margin opposes a law mandating federal review of her case.
And by a lopsided 67 percent-19 percent, most think the elected officials trying to keep Schiavo alive are doing so more for political advantage than out of concern for her or for the principles involved.
That legislative action is distinctly unpopular: Not only do 60 percent oppose it, more — 70 percent — call it inappropriate for Congress to get involved in this way.
How's if feel to be dead wrong again Bruce?...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=599622&page=1
I make a point of not reading anything you post that is in any colour except black.
If you'd like to debate me on euthanasia start a new thread. There is no wrong or right in this very complex issue though, so I hardly see how you could prove me wrong.
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Staunch independent - centrist, float left on social progress, float right on fiscal responsibility
Floating right on fiscal responsiblity ???... YOU HAVE A TIME MACHINE... COOOL!!!! CUZ THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED ;D
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I make a point of not reading anything you post that is in any colour except black.
If you'd like to debate me on euthanasia start a new thread. There is no wrong or right in this very complex issue though, so I hardly see how you could prove me wrong.
ahahhahahhahahahahhahahhahahhhahhahahhhhahahahhahahahahhahahha..... this answer is gold... thank you ;)
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ahahhahahhahahahahhahahhahahhhahhahahhhhahahahhahahahahhahahha..... this answer is gold... thank you ;)
Pleased I could help.
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Pleased I could help.
oh you did, I actually rolled off my chair with that sweet failure...
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oh you did, I actually rolled off my chair with that sweet failure...
Erm, as long as you believe that, everything's okay.
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Erm, as long as you believe that, everything's okay.
that would work, but I won't be the only one who reads that and sees it that way. LOLOL... hope that helps ;)
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that would work, but I won't be the only one who reads that and sees it that way. LOLOL... hope that helps ;)
Yes, the remainder of people here are watching your method of debate, which goes a little like this:
nyar nyar nyar nyar!
Now, are we going to start a new thread?
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Yes, the remainder of people here are watching your method of debate, which goes a little like this:
nyar nyar nyar nyar!
Now, are we going to start a new thread?
no ;D
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no ;D
Why am I, again, not surprised?
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Republicans suck because they tend to favor the big Corperations at the expense of the common man a.k.a blue collar worker.Plus...George Bush is an Idiot.
Democrats suck because they want to give all our tax dollars to lazy skanks who have 4 children by 5 different fathers and do nothing but sit at home smoking Marlboros and eating welfare cheese.
I am all for a strong military but I am against sticking our nose into everyones business..( although sometimes it is necesary).I am against the way conservatives try and push there christian morals on everyone,but at the same time I can't stand the thought of gay marriage and all that crap. Another thing that irritates me is the reverse racism you see with guys like Al Sharpton ,Jessie Jackson and the NAACP.
I am a Republocrat. I have never voted a straight ticket.
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Actually, my views aren't that far from 240's on many issues. I would describe myself as a libertarian... I'm a fiscal conservative who believes in limited government, the right to bear arms, and holding people accountable for their actions, but would be considered a social liberal on issues like abortion, stem cell research, drugs, privacy, the rights of the accused, free speech, etc, etc.
I hate socialists who would have a huge government heavily involved in our daily lives and who would tax us into oblivion to pay for it, but I equally hate religious nuts who would try to legislate their own narrow-minded brand of morality on others.
As a result, I don't fit into either the current "left" or "right" schemes, it just depends on the issue.
You don't like socialists, and everything else above...
Seems like you're the typical liberal to me.
-Hedge
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ahahhahahhahahahahhahahhahahhhahhahahhhhahahahhahahahahhahahha..... this answer is gold... thank you ;)
Why do you bother, lol? Why does anyone respond to anything this fool with the faltering ego has to say? His arrogance is so all encompassing and overwhelming that it's almost impossible to find a single post of his that doesn't drip with derision and condescension. Yesterday, he labeled anyone on Getbig who disagrees with him a trailer park dweller. He's actually ARTICULATED that he thinks he's better than other people. The funny of it all is that he is so enthralled with himself and the hubris has eaten away so much of his brain that he can't even see that half the time he scores points for the other side. Berserker, looks like I'm among friends. According to teh Bruce I'm a pinko communist too. 8) In fact, I've even started telling people that. It's a great conversation starter...
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Why do you bother, lol? Why does anyone respond to anything this fool with the faltering ego has to say? His arrogance is so all encompassing and overwhelming that it's almost impossible to find a single post of his that doesn't drip with derision and condescension. Yesterday, he labeled anyone on Getbig who disagrees with him a trailer park dweller. He's actually ARTICULATED that he thinks he's better than other people. The funny of it all is that he is so enthralled with himself and the hubris has eaten away so much of his brain that he can't even see that half the time he scores points for the other side. Berserker, looks like I'm among friends. According to teh Bruce I'm a pinko communist too. 8) In fact, I've even started telling people that. It's a great conversation starter...
Ouch, you know something's seriously wrong when Deedee rips you a new one. :o
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Ouch, you know something's seriously wrong when Deedee rips you a new one. :o
Lol, I'm not kidding. You'd be amazed how much attention you get from people when you announce that you're a pinko communist. :D
As far as teh Bruce goes, it really makes you wonder where his motives lie. Yesterday he referred to other posters on Getbig as the unwashed masses. If he thinks that, then you have to ask... why would someone with such superior intellect, breeding and social refinement waste his time amongst the lumpen? Has he so little self-esteem that insinuating himself between those he feels are beneath him intellectually, elevates his sense of himself? It's too bad. He really single-handedly ruins the usually polite, respectful tone of this board.
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Lol, I'm not kidding. You'd be amazed how much attention you get from people when you announce that you're a pinko communist. :D
As far as teh Bruce goes, it really makes you wonder where his motives lie. Yesterday he referred to other posters on Getbig as the unwashed masses. If he thinks that, then you have to ask... why would someone with such superior intellect, breeding and social refinement waste his time amongst the lumpen? Has he so little self-esteem that insinuating himself between those he feels are beneath him intellectually, elevates his sense of himself? It's too bad. He really single-handedly ruins the usually polite, respectful tone of this board.
I think BRUCE is alright.
He feels a bit pushed, that's all.
All will cool down.
Dee, you're off base when suggesting that BRUCE would be single-handedly ruining anything.
Of course he is not lone responsible, neither is something ruined.
Things will cool down.
As long as we keep our cool. And refrain from exaggretions like yours above.
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I think BRUCE is alright.
He feels a bit pushed, that's all.
All will cool down.
Dee, you're off base when suggesting that BRUCE would be single-handedly ruining anything.
Of course he is not lone responsible, neither is something ruined.
Things will cool down.
As long as we keep our cool. And refrain from exaggretions like yours above.
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Ah, you realize he tried to engineer an overthrow of the the mods right? When his initial attempt failed he joined forces with Jimmy and tried again.
How are you excusing that? By the way, all that crap was started because he was humiliated in a thread. The whole situation is moronic. ::)
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I think BRUCE is alright.
He feels a bit pushed, that's all.
All will cool down.
Dee, you're off base when suggesting that BRUCE would be single-handedly ruining anything.
Of course he is not lone responsible, neither is something ruined.
Things will cool down.
As long as we keep our cool. And refrain from exaggretions like yours above.
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Apparently I'm entitled to my opinion, as are you, and as is Bruce, who doesn't seem to find it necessary to ever censor himself when it comes to handing out personal attacks. Because of this, what ieffinhatecardio posted above me, and Bruce's consistently arrogant response to anyone who disagrees with him, I do feel he lowers the standards of the board, and I know I'm not alone in thinking that. If you find it pleasant to read someone who spends little time discussing and/or debating but relies mainly on sarcastic, "I'm better than you" nonsense responses, and don't mind his attention-grabbing antics, that's your opinion.
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Lol, I'm not kidding. You'd be amazed how much attention you get from people when you announce that you're a pinko communist. :D
As far as teh Bruce goes, it really makes you wonder where his motives lie. Yesterday he referred to other posters on Getbig as the unwashed masses. If he thinks that, then you have to ask... why would someone with such superior intellect, breeding and social refinement waste his time amongst the lumpen? Has he so little self-esteem that insinuating himself between those he feels are beneath him intellectually, elevates his sense of himself? It's too bad. He really single-handedly ruins the usually polite, respectful tone of this board.
I like the term "pinko commie" LOL. It just has a humorous sound to it. Also because I picture some tobacco chewing, rifle carrying redneck saying it.
I haven't seen any of those quotes from him but he is what he is. The point is that you like everyone and you're the most level headed poster on this board. If you rip someone a new one then you know there's an issue.
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I like the term "pinko commie" LOL. It just has a humorous sound to it. Also because I picture some tobacco chewing, rifle carrying redneck saying it.
I haven't seen any of those quotes from him but he is what he is. The point is that you like everyone and you're the most level headed poster on this board. If you rip someone a new one then you know there's an issue.
Lol, when I first moved to the US from Canada, people would occasionally say "oh you're from that commie pinko country" but haven't heard it in awhile. The ones who said it were usually not all that far away from what you describe. It does sound humorous. I envision myself in overalls and checkered blouse, taking to the streets with the deedee manifesto in one hand and a "workers unite - end all tyranny" flag in the other. Maybe we can grab Berserker, meet at the next commie pinko convention and give our very own rousing performance of "L"internationale." ;D
(ps... I do mostly like everyone. You seem pretty level-headed yourself. :) )
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I suppose the least uncomfortable pigeonhole would be "leftist libertarian". That said, I have no philosophical objection to English as an official language - even though I suspect the motives of those who agitate for it. I also have no moral objection to the death penalty - only the practical one that no human institution is infallible enough to be trusted with that much power.
As I live in Utah, my vote is purely symbolic. I would have voted Green Party in 2004 - finding Kerry as objectionable as I suspect the rest of you do - but my wife persuaded me (to quote The Maltese Falcon: Yes, that is the word - "persuaded" :) ] that unifying the vote against Bush took precedence.
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You don't like socialists, and everything else above...
Seems like you're the typical liberal to me.
I would favor a national healthcare plan, so long as there was no increased attachment to private care for those who could afford it.
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I don't what i am.
I'm against BIg govenrment but for national health care.
I don;t htink we need to raise taxes but instaed overhaul the way we spend the money. (keep welfare but completely overhual it take 50% of people off it)
I firmly believe in capitalism but am against ANYTHING that discourages the progression fo small business.
I believe in anything that increases the wealth of the middle class.
I don't believe in pre-emptive strikes unless the threat is DEFINATE.
I don;t believe in changing things like the pledge of alligence, in god we trust etc...
I do believe in keeping seperatioin fo church and state
I don;t believe in extrmemly large corporations.
That's just some of it.
so maybe i'm a moderate REp/dem
I certainly don;t subscribe to BUSH's follies or a possible Hillary Hillarity.
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According to teh Bruce I'm a pinko communist too. 8) In fact, I've even started telling people that. It's a great conversation starter...
LOLOLOL ;D
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I'm a pinko commie bastard 8)
Yes, we know your a Liberal ;D!!
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Waiting for jag to say she's "smack dab in the middle" LOL!!
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Yes, we know your a Liberal ;D!!
You forgot to call me a terrorist sympathizer. :D
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Waiting for jag to say she's "smack dab in the middle" LOL!!
In Scandanavia, maybe. In the USA she'd be considered slightly to the left of Karl Marx. ::)
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In Scandanavia, maybe. In the USA she'd be considered slightly to the left of Karl Marx. ::)
Not really, cause she's very pro-self employed (capitalists) and all the economic and poltical tags and beliefs that with it.
That's what brings her towards the center.
Otherwise she's very liberal
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Waiting for jag to say she's "smack dab in the middle" LOL!!
{giggle}
Left ...ME... Right
Let those with eyes to see, see and understand. It's right in front of your eyes...as plain as day. :P
You know as I read all your self-proclaimed descriptions, I was struck by the similarities in how you described yourselves, ...yet you all put a different label on it.
I refuse to put labels on myself, because each label represents a boundary outside of which we rarely ever allow ourselves to go.
My vote often goes to the party that I feel will be best for the country overall, ...based both on their policies, ...but also based on the integrity of their leadership. Personally, I don't care if politician X's platform is identical to what I believe in. If Politician X is a snake in the grass who cannot be trusted, Politician Y gets my vote.
If Politician X's platform personally benefits me, ...but would spell disaster for the rest of the country, Politician Y get's my vote. The way I see it, I'm flexible, and am but one small cog in the wheel. I can always adjust. However, disaster for the vast majority, ...spells disaster for me long term. Besides, I believe there is vast progress towards the mark available under any administration, ...it's simply a matter of how one sets their sail, ...so i will always capitalize and benefit regardless. For those with less flexibility, it is my responsibility to never lose sight of the bigger picture, and my vote always goes to those advancing the cause of a better, stronger, more prosperous, peaceful, and progressive civilization.
That said:
I will say this tho... Howard Deans recent address at our National Liberal Party Convention certainly touches on many of the things I believe. That is not to say I'm a Democrat or a Liberal, simply that I believe in certain things.
Howard Dean speaks in Canada pt.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDNY5sX9CL4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDNY5sX9CL4)
Howard Dean speaks in Canada pt.2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61YPUdO1i5M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61YPUdO1i5M)
Hope That Clarifies :)
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If Politician X's platform personally benefits me, ...but would spell disaster for the rest of the country, Politician Y get's my vote. The way I see it, I'm flexible, and am but one small cog in the wheel. I can always adjust.
That right there proves you're a damn socialist! (or a Canadian... same thing)
Voting one's own narrow self-interest is the American way! ;D
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Left ...ME... Right
Let those with eyes to see, see and understand. It's right in front of your eyes...as plain as day. :P
You know as I read all your self-proclaimed descriptions, I was struck by the similarities in how you described yourselves, ...yet you all put a different label on it.
I refuse to put labels on myself, because each label represents a boundary outside of which we rarely ever allow ourselves to go.
My vote often goes to the party that I feel will be best for the country overall, ...based both on their policies, ...but also based on the integrity of their leadership. Personally, I don't care if politician X's platform is identical to what I believe in. If Politician X is a snake in the grass who cannot be trusted, Politician Y gets my vote.
If Politician X's platform personally benefits me, ...but would spell disaster for the rest of the country, Politician Y get's my vote. The way I see it, I'm flexible, and am but one small cog in the wheel. I can always adjust. However, disaster for the vast majority, ...spells disaster for me long term. Besides, I believe there is vast progress towards the mark available under any administration, ...it's simply a matter of how one sets their sail, ...so i will always capitalize and benefit regardless. For those with less flexibility, it is my responsibility to never lose sight of the bigger picture, and my vote always goes to those advancing the cause of a better, stronger, more prosperous, peaceful, and progressive civilization.
That said:
I will say this tho... Howard Deans recent address at our National Liberal Party Convention certainly touches on many of the things I believe. That is not to say I'm a Democrat or a Liberal, simply that I believe in certain things.
Howard Dean speaks in Canada pt.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDNY5sX9CL4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDNY5sX9CL4)
Howard Dean speaks in Canada pt.2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61YPUdO1i5M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61YPUdO1i5M)
Hope That Clarifies :)
If you leaned anymore to the left you would be going walking in one constant circle!!
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That right there proves you're a damn socialist! (or a Canadian... same thing)
Voting one's own narrow self-interest is the American way! ;D
That's why I believe in voting for what's in my 'long term' self interest like a stable, healthy, safe, prosperous, civilization.
What's the point in a tax-cut if it means I now have to spend more money than I save on the tax bill to pay for the increased security, medical bills, and ammo to protect what I got. Not to mention the inevitable increase in taxes to lock up all the bastards committing crimes 'cause there was no social safety net to catch them, and bounce them back into being productive members of society.
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If you leaned anymore to the left you would be going walking in one constant circle!!
No one is more blind than he who has eyes, but refuses to see. {sigh}
...and it's staring him straight in the face too. {lol} I betcha 240 sees it clear as day. :P
Q: How do you hide something from Intense-One?
A: Put it in clear view. {giggle}
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I'm more in favor of keeping them locked up, period. You can't reason with an animal who thinks it's acceptable to stick a gun in someone's face and steal his or her possessions so he can afford to buy some "bling" or a pair of Air Jordans. It's not like these people are robbing people for food... we have enough of a safety net to take care of that, they're robbing people because they think they're somehow entitled to luxury items.
what he said.
Of course, with 6 years of repub control, we should have compeltely crushed crime, since they're tougher on it.
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That's why I believe in voting for what's in my 'long term' self interest like a stable, healthy, safe, prosperous, civilization.
What's the point in a tax-cut if it means I now have to spend more money than I save on the tax bill to pay for the increased security, medical bills, and ammo to protect what I got. Not to mention the inevitable increase in taxes to lock up all the bastards committing crimes 'cause there was no social safety net to catch them, and bounce them back into being productive members of society.
Why do people need a safety net in every aspect of life? Isn't that what welfare is and that works great huh? ::) All it does is perpetuate the cycle of welfare families from parent to child.
What safety net do you recommend for a twenty five year old balck female with three kids? Welfare? Hand outs?
Here's an idea either don't fuck without a rubber or shut yer damn legs. Case closed. The less little children that can't be supported running around, the better of things will be.
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some idiots need net after net.
and if you don't give them one, they will kill innocents, spread disease, reproduce like rabbits, etc.
same reason you cannot let people invest their own social security $. you don't suddenly want ten million homeless helpless people voiding bodily emissions in the street because PBS stock drops.
you have to protect people because their self-imposed downfall will bring down your quality of life, and it could be your wife getting robbed at the market, your kids catching typhiod from homeless idiots eating garbage, etc. sad, but the way it is.
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I define myself as a Zionist terrorist.
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non empathetic libaral here...and that makes me a radical..and what does that mean?
as long as you existance does not effect mylife..i dont care how u live..
be happy! 8)
but when ya fuck with my life..i'm gonna try and fuck with yours..and your whole clan.. ;)
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Voting one's own narrow self-interest is the American way! ;D
hahahaha agreed.
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I'm a normal American... Fiscally conservative, yet socially liberal.
I want smaller government, minus defense...
I want taxes to be low, but they are fine if they are required...
I want the government and other people out of my personal life... There you have it.
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I'm a normal American... Fiscally conservative, yet socially liberal.
I want smaller government, minus defense...
I want taxes to be low, but they are fine if they are required...
I want the government and other people out of my personal life... There you have it.
you are a republocrat
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you are a republocrat
I thought most people were... damn, maybe I am alone.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
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I thought most people were... damn, maybe I am alone.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
you are not alone.
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you are not alone.
*Whew*
I was getting worried... Sometimes I feel like there's no sanity anymore.
I think the vocal minorities are fucking with my mind.
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I define myself as a Conservative Humanist.
What are you?
Left?
Right?
Centre?
240?
Have your say, board.
No party afiliation is worth anything unless it works toward the best interest of the masses...unlike america whose government works for/in the best interest of corporations
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No party afiliation is worth anything unless it works toward the best interest of the masses...unlike america whose government works for/in the best interest of corporations
Republicans. That's why they suck.
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both parties work for the corporations.
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both parties work for the corporations.
True, one just tries to hide it more than the other.
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both parties work for the corporations.
Ok then,that's why they both suck. :)
BUT the republicans have Bush, so that is two strikes against them.
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Libertarian.
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I thought most people were... damn, maybe I am alone.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
A great many people feel like you do. Unfortunately, neither party accurately represents this point of view. It seems like no matter which way you vote, you have to give up about half of what you believe in. The unthingking drones who swallow the entire platform of either party (both of which are logically inconsistent with themselves) then vocally defend their "party line" make the situation that much worse.
I think the large number of fiscally conservative socially liberal folks who want a small government that stays out of our personal lives, and stresses personal freedom along with personal responsibility should leave the Republican party to the religious freaks and the Democratic Party to the socialist whiners and trial lawyers, and form our own centrist party.
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I think the large number of fiscally conservative socially liberal folks who want a small government that stays out of our personal lives, and stresses personal freedom along with personal responsibility should leave the Republican party to the religious freaks and the Democratic Party to the socialist whiners and trial lawyers, and form our own centrist party.
Ain't gonna happen. There's simply too many people who'll allow others to determine their ideals for them.
There simply aren't that many people with classical liberal views anymore. :(
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CT;s aside, 240 is more of a real conservative than Bush ever was.
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CT;s aside, 240 is more of a real conservative than Bush ever was.
1) Thank you. I've voted republican since 94 in every election, which is more than I can say for some of our more vocal neocons here. These folks don't see the party has split - the neocons intent on global energy domination thru war on false pretenses - and the moderates, intent on slowing this explosive spending, elective warring, and civil rights losses domestically.
2) As far as the CTs, they actually still fall under the auspices of the repub party - a strong justice system. There were people at FAA who destroyed evidence - they were not investigated for these deeds. In a TRULY republican system, the FAA supervisor who destroyed recordings would have been charged with crimes. In this neocon rendition, he was promoted along with everyone else who didn't do their job on 9/11. Time will vindicate my beliefs on 9/11 having assistance here in air defense and explosives in buildings, I know this.
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the moderates, intent on slowing this explosive spending, elective warring, and civil rights losses domestically.
Republican moderates don't seem to have much of a public voice. It seems the only ones doing any talking (or at least the only ones getting any attention) are the Republican neocons and the Democratic ultra-liberals.
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Republican moderates don't seem to have much of a public voice. It seems the only ones doing any talking (or at least the only ones getting any attention) are the Republican neocons and the Democratic ultra-liberals.
I agree... and everyone else is swept under the rug... What a sad state of affairs.
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Republican moderates don't seem to have much of a public voice. It seems the only ones doing any talking (or at least the only ones getting any attention) are the Republican neocons and the Democratic ultra-liberals.
Rudi is a moderate and will be one of the frontrunners for the Republican nomination.
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Rudi is a moderate and will be one of the frontrunners for the Republican nomination.
My only thing is that he had a situation which made people perceive him as great (9/11) and so he became ultimately popular...
Was he that great of a Mayor? Did 9/11 make appear great? 9/11 Made "W" appear great, but we see how that turned out...
Gulianni did clean up NY quite a bit though... I'm just iffy on him... He might be great though.
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Republican moderates don't seem to have much of a public voice. It seems the only ones doing any talking (or at least the only ones getting any attention) are the Republican neocons and the Democratic ultra-liberals.
Because retarded moron asshats will label them liberals.
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Rudi is a moderate and will be one of the frontrunners for the Republican nomination.
Rudi [sic] backs Bush 100% on the war. This puts him in the neocon camp. With iraq being the #1,2,3 issue with voters, neocon vs. moderate classification for all electibility purposes lies in your opinion on the war(s).
Nobody (save for you and the other 12 pseudo-repubs in this country hiding under that rock) gives a shit about abortion or gay rights, if you haven't noticed.
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My only thing is that he had a situation which made people perceive him as great (9/11) and so he became ultimately popular...
Was he that great of a Mayor? Did 9/11 make appear great? 9/11 Made "W" appear great, but we see how that turned out...
Gulianni did clean up NY quite a bit though... I'm just iffy on him... He might be great though.
He apparently did a great job as mayor. Cleaned up the streets. Did a great job during 911.
I think his biggest problem will be making it out of the Republican primary, because he's too much of a moderate for much of the base.
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Gulianni did clean up NY quite a bit though... I'm just iffy on him... He might be great though.
His only fault is that he backs the Iraq war.
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His only fault is that he backs the Iraq war.
not just the war - he backs Bush.
Many dems back the war but don't support Bush's surge, etc. Rudy is 100% pro-Bush, as is romney and McCain. All 3 are vying for the party base $.
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A great many people feel like you do. Unfortunately, neither party accurately represents this point of view. It seems like no matter which way you vote, you have to give up about half of what you believe in. The unthingking drones who swallow the entire platform of either party (both of which are logically inconsistent with themselves) then vocally defend their "party line" make the situation that much worse.
I think the large number of fiscally conservative socially liberal folks who want a small government that stays out of our personal lives, and stresses personal freedom along with personal responsibility should leave the Republican party to the religious freaks and the Democratic Party to the socialist whiners and trial lawyers, and form our own centrist party.
{LOL} Oh Goatboy, ...you make me laugh sometimes. :) (I mean that in a good way)
PS - That's EXACTLY what we've done in Canada, ...and that centrist party is... THE LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA ;D
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His only fault is that he backs the Iraq war.
I'm sure there'll be some holier-than-thou moralists who will object to the fact that he was married to his 1st cousin for 15 yrs.
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Rudi [sic] backs Bush 100% on the war.
lol. You use "[sic]" when you're quoting something that has an error you want the reader to know is not attributable you. So, you should have quoted me and placed "[sic]" right after the quoted word "Rudi."
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I'm sure there'll be some holier-than-thou moralists who will object to the fact that he was married to his 1st cousin for 15 yrs.
It was his second cousin. ::) Let me guess, another "typo"?
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It was his second cousin. ::) Let me guess, another "typo"?
Dammit! Why do they insist upon putting those two keys so close together?! >:(
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{giggle} :-[ ;) :-*
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I'm sure there'll be some holier-than-thou moralists who will object to the fact that he was married to his 1st cousin for 15 yrs.
Eh... what do I care... love is love.
At least she wasnt a toaster. :)