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Good move.
U.S. to allow 7,000 Iraqi refugees
POSTED: 10:00 p.m. EST, February 14, 2007
By Elise Labott
CNN
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Bush administration hopes to resettle about 7,000 Iraqi refugees to the United States this year, the State Department said Wednesday.
The decision comes amid pressure from the U.S. Congress and the international community to do more about the growing refugee crisis.
U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees Antonio Guterres estimates as many as 2 million Iraqis have left their country since the war began, and another 1.7 million have moved within Iraq as a result of increased sectarian violence.
The United States, however, has taken in only 466 Iraqi refugees since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.
On Wednesday, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice met with Guterres to outline a new U.S. program for Iraqi refugees, which includes $18 million for additional funding for UNHCR to assist with resettlement of refugees in other countries and humanitarian aid.
The plan is the work of a new task force announced last week to study the Iraqi refugee issue.
U.S. Undersecretary Paula Dobriansky, who led the task force, said the United States would attempt to resettle about 7,000 Iraqi refugees from countries where they have fled from Iraq.
"The United States and the international community can best help displaced Iraqis by quelling the violence in Iraq," she said. "At the same time, we have a responsibility to respond to the immediate needs of Iraqis who have fled violence and persecution."
Dobriansky said the United States is also working to develop special provisions for resettlement of thousands of Iraqis who work for the United States in Iraq and are still there, but face increased threat because of their cooperation with the coalition.
The 7,000 Iraqis would be included as part of 70,000 refugees worldwide permitted under U.S. law to resettle in the United States each year.
U.S. Assistant Secretary for Population, Refugees, and Migration Ellen Sauerbrey said that Iraqis referred to the United States from UNHCR and other countries for possible resettlement in the United States would go through rigorous security checks and health screening before being allowed to migrate.
The United States has been criticized for accepting only a small number of refugees since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. Sauerbrey said that it wasn't until the February 2006 bombing of the Shiite mosque in Samarra that the sectarian violence began to reach a level that prompted large numbers of refugees to flee Iraq, and until then the need for resettlement was rather small.
The majority of Iraqi refugees have fled into Syria and Jordan.
Guterres, who attended the briefing for reporters, said that while resettling refugees is very important, providing aid to neighboring countries so that refugees living there temporarily can live dignified lives is also critical. He said Arab countries are hosting refugees because of their traditional culture of hospitality, but those countries need additional capacity to help refugees over the long term.
While he said resettlement could mean "life or death" for some Iraqis, it will never fully address the problem. He stressed a political solution is needed so that refugees will be able to go home.
Last week, Rice authorized the U.S. Embassy in Syria to talk to to the Syrian government about the flow of Iraqi refugees, but made clear it was not the start of a broader conversation on Iraq.
Dobriansky said the United States has been in contact with several countries in the region, including Syria, about the refugee situation in those nations.
When asked if the U.S. commitment is enough, Guterres said, "The dimension of the problem is so huge that nothing is anytime enough, but I think it's a very good start."
He said the United Nations will hold a donors conference in coming months to raise money to help Iraqi refugees and those internally displaced. He said Iran, which is currently hosting about 50,000 Iraqi refugees, will take part.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/14/us.iraq.refugees/index.html
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we have homeless people here. we have new orleans wrecked still. we have 45 mil with no health coverage.
and we have room for 7,000 people that don't speak the language, have any money or skills.
Yeah, great move. Way to put their interests ahead of those of say, f'king AMERICANS.
Damn, this nation-building bullshit is getting old. Can't fix their country so you bring them here to wreck the place. Suppose a few of those 7000 are insurgents who forgot to check the "I plan on blowing shit up" box. Let's just import the jihadists.
what a stupid idea.
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we have homeless people here. we have new orleans wrecked still. we have 45 mil with no health coverage.
and we have room for 7,000 people that don't speak the language, have any money or skills.
Hmm. The Gov't will have to be very careful they're not importing hatred.
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Hmm. The Gov't will have to be very careful they're not importing hatred.
read what i added. I'm more worried about bringing real terrorists into the nation. this is a HORRIBLE idea.
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read what i added. I'm more worried about bringing real terrorists into the nation. this is a HORRIBLE idea.
I'm sure they'll be as vigilent as possible, but these 7,000 people will be under intense scrutiny, and rightly so. If it works, kudos to the administration, if it goes wrong - they'll be hung out to dry.
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Hmm. The Gov't will have to be very careful they're not importing hatred.
True. Quite the humanitarian thing to do though. I like it.
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I'm sure they'll be as vigilent as possible, but these 7,000 people will be under intense scrutiny, and rightly so. If it works, kudos to the administration, if it goes wrong - they'll be hung out to dry.
You gotta be joking.
How good is the average parole officer, at keeping people from re-offending?
This is a HORRIBLE idea. We cannot identify or keep track of terrorists over there, and we have a police state. Wait til these folks get here and disappear into our open society.
Bullshit to humanitarian cause - we can give them money and drop them anywhere else. Or, we can do the job we say we're doing, and fix iraq.
Horrible, horrible idea. If even one of those fuckers is a bombmaker, geez... would you guys be willing to bet your life on the fact that all 7000 are "checked out"? Cause if we're flying them in and setting them free, that's essentially what we're doing. And HOW are they "checked out"? The name they give to the immigration guy has no flags? Gee, I hope none of them lie. Also, we don't know who is a terrorists by night and laborer by day.
This is terrible. I cannot fathom why they would do this.
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True. Quite the humanitarian thing to do though. I like it.
Yep. Amazing America is still characterised as The Great Satan when they engage in such humanitarian causes.
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Yep. Amazing America is still characterised as The Great Satan when they engage in such humanitarian causes.
There are "Americans" among us, and a Canadian or two, who believe we are The Great Satan. :-\
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Am I dreaming here?
Can someone PLEASE chime in with some common sense?
Our soldiers on the street cannot tell the good guys from the bad guys. And we're going to set them loose here, unsupervised. What a shit idea.
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There are "Americans" among us, and a Canadian or two, who believe we are The Great Satan. :-\
Are you retarded?
In a nation we cannot control, full of people we don't know, we're going to pick 7000 and set them loose on US soil?
Um, in the middle of WWII, did we drop thousands of germans and japanese people into our streets to make friends and make new lives? HELL NO!
Okay beach Bum, would you want 7,000 Iraqis moving into your hometown, yes or no?
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You gotta be joking.
How good is the average parole officer, at keeping people from re-offending?
This is a HORRIBLE idea. We cannot identify or keep track of terrorists over there, and we have a police state. Wait til these folks get here and disappear into our open society.
Bullshit to humanitarian cause - we can give them money and drop them anywhere else. Or, we can do the job we say we're doing, and fix iraq.
Horrible, horrible idea. If even one of those fuckers is a bombmaker, geez... would you guys be willing to bet your life on the fact that all 7000 are "checked out"? Cause if we're flying them in and setting them free, that's essentially what we're doing. And HOW are they "checked out"? The name they give to the immigration guy has no flags? Gee, I hope none of them lie. Also, we don't know who is a terrorists by night and laborer by day.
This is terrible. I cannot fathom why they would do this.
Except these people (I assume), are not criminals.
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Are you retarded?
In a nation we cannot control, full of people we don't know, we're going to pick 7000 and set them loose on US soil?
Um, in the middle of WWII, did we drop thousands of germans and japanese people into our streets to make friends and make new lives? HELL NO!
Okay beach Bum, would you want 7,000 Iraqis moving into your hometown, yes or no?
I don't totally disagree with you, 240. We do need to show the world we are fighting a war a little more seriously than we are.
America is still showing itself to be the compassionate superpower, however.
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we have homeless people here. we have new orleans wrecked still. we have 45 mil with no health coverage.
and we have room for 7,000 people that don't speak the language, have any money or skills.
Yeah, great move. Way to put their interests ahead of those of say, f'king AMERICANS.
Damn, this nation-building bullshit is getting old. Can't fix their country so you bring them here to wreck the place. Suppose a few of those 7000 are insurgents who forgot to check the "I plan on blowing shit up" box. Let's just import the jihadists.
what a stupid idea.
ditto that... they wouldn't be fleeing if we were not bombing the shit out them... this just gets stranger every day.
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Are you retarded?
In a nation we cannot control, full of people we don't know, we're going to pick 7000 and set them loose on US soil?
Um, in the middle of WWII, did we drop thousands of germans and japanese people into our streets to make friends and make new lives? HELL NO!
Okay beach Bum, would you want 7,000 Iraqis moving into your hometown, yes or no?
They probably can't afford to live in my neighborhood. Heck, I can barely afford to live in my neighborhood. :)
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I don't totally disagree with you, 240. We do need to show the world we are fighting a war a little more seriously than we are.
America is still showing itself to be the compassionate superpower, however.
lol. Some people just can't handle anything "good" that our country does. Must suck to thrive on bad news.
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Except these people (I assume), are not criminals.
How can you know that?
Much of their records are destroyed, and how hard is it to use a fake ID/name? And we know bribery takes place over there, as dorruption is very real.
We're essentially saying that we KNOW all 7000 are good folks with no bad intentions. We are saying we KNOW none are insurgents, that none have grudges, that none are going to hurt the US when they come here with no money/education/skills.
Question for everybody - yes or no - would you be okay with ALL 7,000 iraqi refugees to be placed in YOUR TOWN?
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lol. Some people just can't handle anything "good" that our country does. Must suck to thrive on bad news.
Good? beach bum, let's say they put those 7,000 right next to your daughter's dorm at college.
Do you want to take the chance? Or are you "okay" with it as long as it's nowhere near you?
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My point is that people are willing to blow themselves up over there to kill one US soldier or contractor.
Can you IMAGINE what they would do with free reign in the US?
Can anyone really say they trust the background check process on those 7000 people? It's naive. If 1 in 7000 gets thru, can you imagine the horrible consequences?
I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone here tonight. I can't believe people aren't outraged by the idea of dropping thousands of people from a nation we're at war with, into our nation. Insane.
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How can you know that?
Much of their records are destroyed, and how hard is it to use a fake ID/name? And we know bribery takes place over there, as dorruption is very real.
We're essentially saying that we KNOW all 7000 are good folks with no bad intentions. We are saying we KNOW none are insurgents, that none have grudges, that none are going to hurt the US when they come here with no money/education/skills.
Question for everybody - yes or no - would you be okay with ALL 7,000 iraqi refugees to be placed in YOUR TOWN?
Calm down, try and give the government some sort of benefit of the doubt here. I'd like to know more about these people and why they're being sent to the US.
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Good? beach bum, let's say they put those 7,000 right next to your daughter's dorm at college.
Do you want to take the chance? Or are you "okay" with it as long as it's nowhere near you?
I don't know, yet, where my daughter will go to college and I'm not looking forward to paying college tuition :'( (assuming she doesn't get a merit scholarship).
You're asking unrealistic and paranoid questions. I have no idea where these people will live, but they will be just like the thousands of immigrants who come to this country every year (like my parents). They will in all likelihood not be massed together as a 7,000 person group in anyone's neighborhood. This sound familiar:
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
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I don't know, yet, where my daughter will go to college and I'm not looking forward to paying college tuition :'( (assuming she doesn't get a merit scholarship).
You're asking unrealistic and paranoid questions. I have no idea where these people will live, but they will be just like the thousands of immigrants who come to this country every year (like my parents). They will in all likelihood not be massed together as a 7,000 person group in anyone's neighborhood. This sound familiar:
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
that's what i thought. you dodged it.
it's good enough for others, but you don't want them near YOUR kids. You wouldn't want them on YOUR street.
Point is, we're at war. There are other places on the earth where we could place them for the same cost. it's pretty obvious from the mess there that we cannot identify the bad guys. Delivering 7000 of them here, and hoping we were right on 7000 of 7000 being good guys - bad, bad ideas.
I'm all for helping others. But WE ARE AT WAR IN THIS COUNTRY. you don't bring in civilians during war because the enemy will plant insurgents. They're doing it already.
until you would let them live on your block, you have no room to endorse this policy.
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that's what i thought. you dodged it.
it's good enough for others, but you don't want them near YOUR kids. You wouldn't want them on YOUR street.
Point is, we're at war. There are other places on the earth where we could place them for the same cost. it's pretty obvious from the mess there that we cannot identify the bad guys. Delivering 7000 of them here, and hoping we were right on 7000 of 7000 being good guys - bad, bad ideas.
I'm all for helping others. But WE ARE AT WAR IN THIS COUNTRY. you don't bring in civilians during war because the enemy will plant insurgents. They're doing it already.
until you would let them live on your block, you have no room to endorse this policy.
Yes, I guess you have to ask yourself: If these individuals have the skills and desire to make it in a free country, why are we not relocating them within Iraq? I'd like to think America is not stealing their best and brightest.
Importing fanatical Islamicists would be a huge error.
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that's what i thought. you dodged it.
it's good enough for others, but you don't want them near YOUR kids. You wouldn't want them on YOUR street.
Point is, we're at war. There are other places on the earth where we could place them for the same cost. it's pretty obvious from the mess there that we cannot identify the bad guys. Delivering 7000 of them here, and hoping we were right on 7000 of 7000 being good guys - bad, bad ideas.
I'm all for helping others. But WE ARE AT WAR IN THIS COUNTRY. you don't bring in civilians during war because the enemy will plant insurgents. They're doing it already.
until you would let them live on your block, you have no room to endorse this policy.
Dumb analogy 240. I wouldn't want a prison in my neighborhood, but we build them. I wouldn't want a waste dump in my neighborhood, but we need them. I would probably buy a gun (and I hate guns) if a registered sex offender lived in my street. So, the fact you don't want someone living on your block (which I never admitted) has nothing to do with whether you support a humanitarian act to allow them in the country.
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Yes, I guess you have to ask yourself: If these individuals have the skills and desire to make it in a free country, why are we not relocating them within Iraq? I'd like to think America is not stealing their best and brightest.
Importing fanatical Islamicists would be a huge error.
If we can GUARANTEE they are good guys, I'm fine with it. Polygraph em, whatever.
But if all it's gonna take is fake paperwork to get in, it's a horrible mistake.
In Iraq, we have no control. We cannot tell the good guys from the insurgents. And there is no way we will be able to GUARANTEE that every one of those 7000 folks is a good guy.
It's an unnecessary risk.
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Dumb analogy 240. I wouldn't want a prison in my neighborhood, but we build them. I wouldn't want a waste dump in my neighborhood, but we need them. I would probably buy a gun (and I hate guns) if a registered sex offender lived in my street. So, the fact you don't want someone living on your block (which I never admitted) has nothing to do with whether you support a humanitarian act to allow them in the country.
Beach Bum, do you think the US govt will be able to ensure all 7,000 are good guys, and zero of them are insurgents?
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for once I can agree with everything 240 has posted here. Re-locate them within Iraq, it still comes off as humanitarium and I won't have a new neighbor to keep a
scope eye on.
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for once I can agree with everything 240 has posted here. Re-locate them within Iraq, it still comes off as humanitarium and I won't have a new neighbor to keep a scope eye on.
Right. These guys have the sophistication to outmanuever and fool the best superpower on earth, us.
imagine what ten of them could do in America with no one watching them? Holy shit. Horrible idea.
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read what i added. I'm more worried about bringing real terrorists into the nation. this is a HORRIBLE idea.
That's what I said, talk about harboring terrorists. Send me over to Beach Bum's block
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Dumb analogy 240. I wouldn't want a prison in my neighborhood, but we build them. I wouldn't want a waste dump in my neighborhood, but we need them. I would probably buy a gun (and I hate guns) if a registered sex offender lived in my street. So, the fact you don't want someone living on your block (which I never admitted) has nothing to do with whether you support a humanitarian act to allow them in the country.
Good post. This is similar to the debate in Australia over nuclear power. The first thing someone will say to you if you raise the issue is 'you wouldn't want a nuclear reactor' in your backyard. Yes, well guess what; I don't have a coal power plant in my backyard at the moment - so I'm sure they'll fit it in somewhere.
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Good post. This is similar to the debate in Australia over nuclear power. The first thing someone will say to you if you raise the issue is 'you wouldn't want a nuclear reactor' in your backyard. Yes, well guess what; I don't have a coal power plant in my backyard at the moment - so I'm sure they'll fit it in somewhere.
shit man, how about we send them to Australia then? I'll chip in.
I do not want people from a country we're at war with, being shipped in. This should be common sense.
Now, here's the magic question:
do you think the US govt will be able to ensure all 7,000 are good guys, and zero of them are insurgents?
If yes - Why can't we do that every day to sort out the insurgents from teh good guys, and
If no - Why take the chance??????
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Beach Bum, do you think the US govt will be able to ensure all 7,000 are good guys, and zero of them are insurgents?
Probably no better than we can ensure any of the thousands of other immigrants who come to this country every year are not terrorists. I doubt our current immigration standard results in the admission of "good guys" 100 percent of the time. By your logic, we shouldn't allow anyone from Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, etc., etc., because insurgents are probably coming from and/or being armed by one or more of those countries. A plethora of people in the Middle East hate us.
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That's what I said, talk about harboring terrorists. Send me over to Beach Bum's block
I got an extra room you can rent. :D
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shit man, how about we send them to Australia then? I'll chip in.
I do not want people from a country we're at war with, being shipped in. This should be common sense.
Now, here's the magic question:
do you think the US govt will be able to ensure all 7,000 are good guys, and zero of them are insurgents?
If yes - Why can't we do that every day to sort out the insurgents from teh good guys, and
If no - Why take the chance??????
Like I said, Rob, and to use a Rumination - there are some known unknowns here. I don't have enough information infront of me to say whether this is a bad idea or not. I'm sure Australia will do its bit though, as we always do.
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Probably no better than we can ensure any of the thousands of other immigrants who come to this country every year are not terrorists. I doubt our current immigration standard results in the admission of "good guys" 100 percent of the time. By your logic, we shouldn't allow anyone from Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, etc., etc., because insurgents are probably coming from and/or being armed by one or more of those countries. A plethora of people in the Middle East hate us.
all the more reason to leave them in Iraq.
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Good post. This is similar to the debate in Australia over nuclear power. The first thing someone will say to you if you raise the issue is 'you wouldn't want a nuclear reactor' in your backyard. Yes, well guess what; I don't have a coal power plant in my backyard at the moment - so I'm sure they'll fit it in somewhere.
Thanks. Completely agree. Nobody wants anything unsavory in their backyard.
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all the more reason to leave them in Iraq.
What about Koreans? Venezuelans? Cubans? . . . .
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Probably no better than we can ensure any of the thousands of other immigrants who come to this country every year are not terrorists. I doubt our current immigration standard results in the admission of "good guys" 100 percent of the time. By your logic, we shouldn't allow anyone from Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, etc., etc., because insurgents are probably coming from and/or being armed by one or more of those countries. A plethora of people in the Middle East hate us.
Dude, you admit we won't be able to sort out all the terrorist insurgents from nation we're at war with from getting in, and you want to let them in anyway?
Holy shit. okay, that is just stupid. You support knowingly statistically lettting in suicide bombers and killers.
And there IS a difference from letting in people from other countries, and SHIPPING IN 7,000 PEOPLE FROM A NATION WE'RE WARRING WITH.
It's a stupid idea, and the fact that you admit we won't get every jihadist and you're okay with letting a few slip by - wow. You want to make american less safe, by definition. Sad, dude.
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What about Koreans? Venezuelans? Cubans? . . . .
we are not at war with them.......yet ;)
I'm only saying, why?
Why not relocate them in Iraq and save taxpayers dollars and the threat that one of those 7000 is an extremist looking to blow some shit up?
Leave them in Iraq. >:(
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It's an unnecessary risk.
please expand on why you think the misake is being made in the first place. why would an unpopular president in the middle of a very unpopular war do this?
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please expand on why you think the misake is being made in the first place. why would an unpopular president in the middle of a very unpopular war do this?
I have absolutely no clue. This has to be a joke.
I mean, I cannot fathom, with all the places in the world we could put them for the $ we're spending, we couldn't just put them up elsewhere.
Statistically, bad guys WILL GET IN. I just don't get it.
And the neo-liberals who put humanitarian goodwill above national security - like beach Bum - make America a less safe place.
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we are not at war with them.......yet ;)
I'm only saying, why?
Why not relocate them in Iraq and save taxpayers dollars and the threat that one of those 7000 is an extremist looking to blow some shit up?
Leave them in Iraq. >:(
I might agree if we were at war with Iraq. Technically, the Iraqi government is on our side and many of their people support what we're doing. We're fighting a relatively small segment of the population; an unorganized group of terrorists, some of whom undoubtedly are not even from Iraq.
I don't favor importing terrorists (like we did with the people who were responsible for and carried out 911). I just like the humanitarian move, assuming it doesn't compromise our safety. It's very consistent with our open door policy and is one of the things that separates us from the rest of the world.
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please expand on why you think the misake is being made in the first place. why would an unpopular president in the middle of a very unpopular war do this?
trying to kiss ass and make himself look like he wants to help. where are these people going to live, work, get education, healthcare, food, gas, transportation...etc... is it going to be our tax dollars
paying for 7000 MORE immigrants. But hey, at least they won't be here illegally...... :-\
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I might agree if we were at war with Iraq. Technically, the Iraqi government is on our side and many of their people support what we're doing. We're fighting a relatively small segment of the population; an unorganized group of terrorists, some of whom undoubtedly are not even from Iraq.
I don't favor importing terrorists (like we did with the people who were responsible for and carried out 911). I just like the humanitarian move, assuming it doesn't compromise our safety. It's very consistent with our open door policy and is one of the things that separates us from the rest of the world.
You admit that terrorists will get through.
You're okay with that, because "technically, we're fighting an insurgency IN Iraq, not Iraq".
You can justify it any way you want.
Bottom line, you are willing to sacrifice national security for humanitarian goals
You're make America a more dangerous place, beach Bum.
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You admit that terrorists will get through.
You're okay with that, because "technically, we're fighting an insurgency IN Iraq, not Iraq".
You can justify it any way you want.
Bottom line, you are willing to sacrifice national security for humanitarian goals
You're make America a more dangerous place, beach Bum.
YAWN. ::)
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I might agree if we were at war with Iraq. Technically, the Iraqi government is on our side and many of their people support what we're doing. We're fighting a relatively small segment of the population; an unorganized group of terrorists, some of whom undoubtedly are not even from Iraq.
I don't favor importing terrorists (like we did with the people who were responsible for and carried out 911). I just like the humanitarian move, assuming it doesn't compromise our safety. It's very consistent with our open door policy and is one of the things that separates us from the rest of the world.
I wasn't aware the US had an open door policy that we went to other countries and brought back thousands of its people. Do we do that to make sure we have an equal amount of each ethnicity?
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do you think the US govt will be able to ensure all 7,000 are good guys, and zero of them are insurgents?
Probably no better than we can ensure any of the thousands of other immigrants who come to this country every year are not terrorists.
I want to stop terrorists from entering the nation. You want to let them in.
You admit you know they'll get in, and you call it a good idea.
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I wasn't aware the US had an open door policy that we went to other countries and brought back thousands of its people. Do we do that to make sure we have an equal amount of each ethnicity?
Of course we have immigration standards. I was referring to this:
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
No accident that we lead the world in immigration.
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maybe we do lead the world in immigration....doesn't mean we need to bring them here. can you see a difference?
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An immigrant just emptied the trash and vacuumed the floor in my office. She can barely speak a lick of English. Very nice lady though. God bless America. :)
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An immigrant just emptied the trash and vacuumed the floor in my office. She can barely speak a lick of English. Very nice lady though. God bless America. :)
Even I'm a filthy immigrant >:(
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Of course we have immigration standards. I was referring to this:
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
No accident that we lead the world in immigration.
You're putting helping foreigners above protecting Americans.
Seriously, you defend anything Bush says. That has to be it. If Obama thought we should bring in thousands of people form a country full of insurgents killing our men, you'd call him an idiot.
it's a shame you can't think for yourself.
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maybe we do lead the world in immigration....doesn't mean we need to bring them here. can you see a difference?
Do I see the difference between thousands of people immigrating to this country on their own and thousands immigrating because we bring them here? Uh . . . no? :)
I understand the concerns and have some of my own. But I do support the idea.
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Even I'm a filthy immigrant >:(
Yeah! Stay out! :)
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Do I see the difference between thousands of people immigrating to this country on their own and thousands immigrating because we bring them here? Uh . . . no? :)
I understand the concerns and have some of my own. But I do support the idea.
your post answers many questions, I don't need to know anything more about you, you are blind. Good night, and I can't believe I'm gonne say this but, good luck with this one 240. :D
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Yeah! Stay out! :)
They took his jaaaaaaaarb!
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your post answers many questions, I don't need to know anything more about you, you are blind. Good night, and I can't believe I'm gonne say this but, good luck with this one 240. :D
anyone with a half a brain will mock the idea of sweeping up 7000 folks from Iraq and just dropping them off here.
You'll get bleeding heart liberals - Beach Bum for instance - who consider making 7000 iraqis happy to be more important than keeping 300,000,000 Americans SAFE.
You'll always have folks like that. He says he supports the troops but doesn't mind endangering his fellow citizens if it means keeping iraqis happy. Some American, eh? :(
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I'm not going to doubt his patriotism, but if he can't see the difference between people immigrating here on their own, and our gov. giving them a free ride and possibly endangering Americans on our own soil, then he is a fool. Regardless of political beliefs, you would have to be blind or ignorant or both to not see that.
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They took his jaaaaaaaarb!
No Visa for you. :)
Cannot play anymore. Kiddies are home awaiting American Idol and Lost. Big night! Buenos noches. :)
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No Visa for you. :)
Cannot play anymore. Kiddies are home awaiting American Idol and Lost. Big night! Buenos noches. :)
You infidel scum!
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American Idol and Lost. Big night!
Sounds like BB gets his news from some quality sources.
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Well, we did fuck up their country... so I see that point, but I dunno... how many possible terrorists are we now just letting into the country?
I guess you can't judge them all based on the actions of a few, so I'd probably have to say yes, but it would be with "reservation".
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Well, we did f**k up their country... so I see that point, but I dunno... how many possible terrorists are we now just letting into the country?
I guess you can't judge them all based on the actions of a few, so I'd probably have to say yes, but it would be with "reservation".
[GASP] :)
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Am I dreaming here?
Can someone PLEASE chime in with some common sense?
Our soldiers on the street cannot tell the good guys from the bad guys. And we're going to set them loose here, unsupervised. What a shit idea.
Have to agree with 240 on this one. Take care of our own. We send thousands of troops each year to central americ as part of new horizons. As I have said before those people used to spit at us. Money oculd have stayed here. And there is no way we can trust all of those people.
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Have to agree with 240 on this one. Take care of our own. We send thousands of troops each year to central americ as part of new horizons. As I have said before those people used to spit at us. Money oculd have stayed here. And there is no way we can trust all of those people.
That's the most important part. We can't identify the good guys from the bad guys over there, when we're patrolling their streets with 50 cals. Some bad will get thru, and they'll be set loose in our open society, where there are no SUVs patrolling.
The ONLY thing stopping these pricks from setting off IEDs in NYC or blowing up sporting events? That background check before they arrive here.
I don't know about you, but I know it's too easy to fake identities to get thru. We can't pick out the bad guys there, and we're not going to be able to pick em out when the refugee plane arrives. They will get in, and they will do bad shit. I can't understand why some Clinton voters here are so okay with sacrificing our national security.
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Have to agree with 240 on this one. Take care of our own. We send thousands of troops each year to central americ as part of new horizons. As I have said before those people used to spit at us. Money oculd have stayed here. And there is no way we can trust all of those people.
I agree. Not much information given on this story, yet. Today it became clear as daylight this was not a good idea, when I looked in my pantry and found out I had a batch of ConAgra Foods Peter Pan salmonella tainted peanut butter, I bought it in May, and they just not found this shit out, goes to show you how easy it is to contaminant food, wonder how many of these Iraqi will end up working for a food processing plant?
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goes to show you how easy it is to contaminant food, wonder how many of these Iraqi will end up working for a food processing plant?
damn. imagine some kind of terror attack like that...
i cannot believe some people are okay with making our country less safe.
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damn. imagine some kind of terror attack like that...
i cannot believe some people are okay with making our country less safe.
Dude, I'm totally not ok with making our country less safe, however, we have already made THEIR country less safe.
I don't like it either way, but we did bring turmoil and danger to their nation, should we turn our backs on the people who really need our help now?
It's a tough call all around... I would much rather not help them, but damn... It's our country's fault isn't it?
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Dude, I'm totally not ok with making our country less safe, however, we have already made THEIR country less safe.
I don't like it either way, but we did bring turmoil and danger to their nation, should we turn our backs on the people who really need our help now?
It's a tough call all around... I would much rather not help them, but damn... It's our country's fault isn't it?
No it isn't our countries fault. Ask an Iraqi if they want us to leave. Hell no, (I've been there, asked that, got the t-shirt) We are the only thing keeping it from getting worse. It is a small % of iraqis in the civil war. Most just want to be safe and if we pull out they will die 10 fold of what they do now. Although Saddam was a threat to us, he kept the civil war at bay. We are the only ones there to play that role now.
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No it isn't our countries fault. Ask an Iraqi if they want us to leave. Hell no, (I've been there, asked that, got the t-shirt) We are the only thing keeping it from getting worse. It is a small % of iraqis in the civil war. Most just want to be safe and if we pull out they will die 10 fold of what they do now. Although Saddam was a threat to us, he kept the civil war at bay. We are the only ones there to play that role now.
I don't think that really answers the point... The point I was making is, was it more or less dangerous for the average Iraqi walking down the street with Saddam?
I am not talking about percentages, but most of Saddam's murdering was done long ago... He had the country in check and there was no "in fighting" like their is now.
You can not deny that fact.
We created the environment for those people to become refugees (as we took over), so while I don't want them here, they want in to this country because we gave them the avenue to request asylum.
This is true yes?
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I don't think that really answers the point... The point I was making is, was it more or less dangerous for the average Iraqi walking down the street with Saddam?
I am not talking about percentages, but most of Saddam's murdering was done long ago... He had the country in check and there was no "in fighting" like their is now.
You can not deny that fact.
We created the environment for those people to become refugees (as we took over), so while I don't want them here, they want in to this country because we gave them the avenue to request asylum.
This is true yes?
can see your argument but still don't want them here.
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I don't think that really answers the point... The point I was making is, was it more or less dangerous for the average Iraqi walking down the street with Saddam?
I am not talking about percentages, but most of Saddam's murdering was done long ago... He had the country in check and there was no "in fighting" like their is now.
You can not deny that fact.
We created the environment for those people to become refugees (as we took over), so while I don't want them here, they want in to this country because we gave them the avenue to request asylum.
This is true yes?
It is more dangerous now. Death rates per population are way up, this cannot be denied.
Still, because Bush decided to invade, doesn't mean you and I should have to tolerate 7000 foreigners with no skills, no money, and possibly terrorist ambitions, to move into our block.
WE don't owe them anything. You can argue if Bush does, whatever. But I don't want my country becoming less safer because "we owe it to them". You don't being in people from a country where you're warring. You just don't.
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can see your argument but still don't want them here.
I don't want them here either... On that we are in total agreement.
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It is more dangerous now. Death rates per population are way up, this cannot be denied.
Still, because Bush decided to invade, doesn't mean you and I should have to tolerate 7000 foreigners with no skills, no money, and possibly terrorist ambitions, to move into our block.
WE don't owe them anything. You can argue if Bush does, whatever. But I don't want my country becoming less safer because "we owe it to them". You don't being in people from a country where you're warring. You just don't.
Hey man... I'm with you on this... I don't want them here either... but how can we as a country not feel somewhat responsible for their situation... we did put the guy in charge.
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Hey man... I'm with you on this... I don't want them here either... but how can we as a country not feel somewhat responsible for their situation... we did put the guy in charge.
The war isn't over yet. We can talk about it then. But we're spending $200 mil a day and 3120 lives so far, and we don't know who's good and who's bad. When the war is over and all the bad guys are dealt with, I'm up for discussing it then.
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Holy Cow! :o I'm speechless.
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Bad idea...
The US should look to its model minorities, like me and then go about bringing more people like me into the country.
The last thing we need are durka durka jihadists who don't speak any english.
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I AM CANNOT BELIEVE THIS. GET RID OF THIS PIECE OF SHIT BUSH!!!!!
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it's funny - we begin to see who the TRUE republicans are now!
The neocons are defending Bush's policy no matter what - even if that means letting insurgents into our nation with a free plane ride, some starter money, and a place to plan their deeds. (Also note that at least two of these neocons were former clinton voters - BeachBum and Mr I.)
The TRUE republicans (and most dems) are horrified by the idea of letting in thousands of people we admit we cnanot screen.
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I heard rumors of this madness a couple days back. I can't believe this is actually happening. What is going on in the Bush Administration?
7000- Iraqis, with the possibility of more???
a. Could include potential terrorists..
b. Many will be wards of the state-aka unable to work and will be provided for by our tax money
c. could bring the sunni shiite fighting to the US
d. how can bush do this? can he just do watever he wants? doesn't have to consult congress, or anything.
I feel as though there is no leadership in this administration, just a bunch of, at best, misguided idealogues, or, at worse, those with interests not aligned with the citizenry
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cav, have a beer on me!
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wow, this is crazy....... and i don't even live in the us..........
what's bad is, thats how slowly your losing your identity, and the worst, the won't learn english, won't respect your laws and the minute they have the chance, they will shit on you!!!
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Good move.
U.S. to allow 7,000 Iraqi refugees
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